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Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again (F12000) without having any real reason to do so? A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads? Wait until you at least have a demo this time. David G Fisher

I support your ideas 100%. But to strighten it up... it's not little heads. It's between wide cockpits.... or.... the head rests around the helmet are missing. both could be true. But It's nothing I'm gonna fuss over. and as said in my last post... i dunno about the authenticity of that interview. and if it was an actual interview they atleast dumbed down the responces. Just doesn't seam like gjon's kinda replies. DjFIL David G Fisher wrote:

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> Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again (F12000) > without having any real reason to do so? > > A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads? > > Wait until you at least have a demo this time. > > David G Fisher

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> > Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again (F12000) > without having any real reason to do so? > > A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads? > > Wait until you at least have a demo this time. > > David G Fisher

I'll second that. Car physics, multiplayer capabilities, and maybe even AI are certainly more important that relative limb/appendage proportions. The lack of pace cars is no worry. Seen any in GP2, F1RS or MGPRS2? Weather, if taken out, will be a disappointment but certainly not a show stopper. And it doesn't support all flags? Well, we've never had red flags in any of the NASCAR sims to date, for an example. Give it a chance people. We haven't seen it yet. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again (F12000) > without having any real reason to do so? Why not? Is it something dangerous, or illegal? > A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads > Wait until you at least have a demo this time. Oh so we can start bashing it "after" there is a demo? You mean like RC2000? Hehe <sarcasm> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

It was supposed to be a phone interview, but ended up being done by e-mail. That's why the answers are so short. David G Fisher "DjFIL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I support your ideas 100%. > > But to strighten it up... it's not little heads. It's between wide > cockpits.... or.... the head rests around the helmet are missing. bothcould

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> be true. But It's nothing I'm gonna fuss over. > > and as said in my last post... i dunno about the authenticity of that > interview. and if it was an actual interview they atleast dumbed down the > responces. Just doesn't seam like gjon's kinda replies. > > DjFIL > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again

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> > without having any real reason to do so? > > > > A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads? > > > > Wait until you at least have a demo this time. > > > > David G Fisher >

Even if it was e-mail responces... I asked gjon questions before... regarding the monza changes. He gave good responces... not this half assed stuff. We'll see on it's release, and that's a fact. DjFIL David G Fisher wrote:

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> It was supposed to be a phone interview, but ended up being done by e-mail. > That's why the answers are so short. > > David G Fisher > > "DjFIL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I support your ideas 100%. > > > > But to strighten it up... it's not little heads. It's between wide > > cockpits.... or.... the head rests around the helmet are missing. both > could > > be true. But It's nothing I'm gonna fuss over. > > > > and as said in my last post... i dunno about the authenticity of that > > interview. and if it was an actual interview they atleast dumbed down the > > responces. Just doesn't seam like gjon's kinda replies. > > > > DjFIL > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again > (F12000) > > > without having any real reason to do so? > > > > > > A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads? > > > > > > Wait until you at least have a demo this time. > > > > > > David G Fisher > >

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> Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again (F12000) > without having any real reason to do so? > A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads? > Wait until you at least have a demo this time. > David G Fisher

It seems, the producers are downgrading it, not ras... And, we're just discussing it, pre-release! I saw the cars of F1 2000 and saw the cars in GP3. Right now I can say that I hate the car models in the first one and love the models in the second one. If weather is left out (is it just a rumour?) than I can say that the sim took another big hit in the feature list. Nobody posted something like 'F1 2000 sucks!'. THAT would be silly and doesn't happen here (very) often... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:42:50 +0100, Ronald Stoehr >And, we're just discussing it, pre-release! I saw the cars of F1 2000 >and saw the cars in GP3. Right now I can say that I hate the car models >in the first one and love the models in the second one. Why oh why can't we have car models like these in a serious (?) simulation? http://tomsgarage.btwracing.com/williams99.shtml Yes, the frame rate might be a bit slow with a full grid, but having a high-detail option would still be nice. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Of course it's too early to slash it. But really, it makes a BAD impression to show those pictures with the little heads. This is such an EASY thing to get right. If they don't bother about something like that, then how could they take the rest seriously? JoH ======================================== Jo Helsen EDP Operations BF Belgium ========================================

If you check the videos which were just released, they have bigger melons now. :-) David G Fisher > >Is r.a.s. really going to start downgrading an upcoming sim again (F12000)

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> >without having any real reason to do so? > >A worthless quote from an online game magazine? Little heads? > >Wait until you at least have a demo this time. > >David G Fisher > Of course it's too early to slash it. But really, it makes a BAD > impression to show those pictures with the little heads. This is such > an EASY thing to get right. If they don't bother about something like > that, then how could they take the rest seriously? > JoH > ======================================== > Jo Helsen EDP Operations BF Belgium > ========================================

The producer never downngraded it, and he never would. R.a.s. already has, based on nothing. You've probably only seen the distorted screenshots and video clips of F12000 which were taken from the replay mode. I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone, but it also will be missing some very key features. '98 season. One car model for all teams. No TCP/IP internet play. Hotlap replays are a bore. David G Fisher

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> I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone, but it also will be missing > some very key features. > > '98 season. > > One car model for all teams. > > No TCP/IP internet play. Hotlap replays are a bore. >

Give me a break, if that's the worst that can be said about the upcoming GP3 then sign me up for a copy! I don't play over the internet, so that's not a factor, I rarely spend time watching replays, but don't understand how one games replay is boring while another is exciting? As for the season, I'm sure within a month of release, that someone, like the www.uspits.com will have a 2000 carset ready to download... Not sure what you mean by "one car model for all teams" ? Are you saying that a Ferrari, will look exactly like a Williams, or a Jordan, or ??? Or do you mean one physics model for all cars? Please specify, and please enlighten us as to where you got your information? I guess if it's not an EA game, that you beta'ed then it's no good, right? Please try not to be so biased David... Not being Critical, just providing a little constrictive critisizam Jay J

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NYhx4.12016$[email hidden]... > > I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone, but it also will bemissing

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> > some very key features. > > > > '98 season. > > > > One car model for all teams. > > > > No TCP/IP internet play. Hotlap replays are a bore. > > > > Give me a break, if that's the worst that can be said about the upcoming

GP3 > then sign me up for a copy! Like I said, I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone. What's the worst thing about F12000 (that's been proven)? > I don't play over the internet, so that's not a factor, I rarely spendtime > watching replays, but don't understand how one games replay is boringwhile > another is exciting? I said in another thread that no TCP/IP will have little effect on GP3's sales, but for many here at r.a.s including myself, no TCP/IP racing is a huge negative. Sitting in front of my computer and hotlapping until I can upload a competitive replay to an internet site is a huge bore compared to live, head to head racing. Also, the top hotlappers are 99% of the time simply the one's with the most time to kill. > As for the season, I'm sure within a month of release, that someone, like > the www.uspits.com will have a 2000 carset ready to download... Maybe there will be, but will they be able to make the correct tracks (including Indy and Malaysia)? > Not sure what you mean by "one car model for all teams" ? Are you saying > that a Ferrari, will look exactly like a Williams, or a Jordan, or ??? Ordo > you mean one physics model for all cars? > > Please specify, and please enlighten us as to where you got your > information? The car shapes are all the same and a Jordan performs the same as a Ferrari. Check the web or even this newsgroup. > I guess if it's not an EA game, that you beta'ed then it's no good, right? > Please try not to be so biased David... > > Not being Critical, just providing a little constrictive critisizam > Jay J Not sure what you mean by that exactly, but I could care less who the publisher of a sim is or whether I tested it or not. All I care about is if I like a sim enough in order to spend limited time with it. Again, I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as any car sim ever made so I don't know why you'd say that I think it's "no good". David G Fisher

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone, Note this, Jay ^^^ >Give me a break, if that's the worst that can be said about the upcoming GP3 >then sign me up for a copy! Agreed. But David will buy it aswell, see first line. >I don't play over the internet, so that's not a factor, I rarely spend time >watching replays, but don't understand how one games replay is boring while >another is exciting? GP3 will have the same "last 20 seconds only" replay as GP2. F1 2000 seems to have longer replays. >As for the season, I'm sure within a month of release, that someone, like >the www.uspits.com will have a 2000 carset ready to download... Hmmm, I expect that it will be much harder to modify GP3 files then it was with GP2. Reason? They plan GP4, GP5 with new seasons 1 year later... >Not sure what you mean by "one car model for all teams" ? Are you saying >that a Ferrari, will look exactly like a Williams, or a Jordan, or ??? Or do >you mean one physics model for all cars? David meant that the 3D shape is the same for all cars. He also could have mentioned that you as driver, whatever team you select, still get the properties of the fastest car. So no "what if" scenario when you hop in the Arrows, or something. >Please specify, and please enlighten us as to where you got your >information? You could get this information from various interviews with the developers. >I guess if it's not an EA game, that you beta'ed then it's no good, right? >Please try not to be so biased David... I agree that David often seems biased, but not in this case IMO. >Not being Critical, just providing a little constrictive critisizam Nothing wrong with that. Well, it's wrong when directed to me, of course.... Remco

David G Fisher wrote: > > The producer never downngraded it, and he never would. > > R.a.s. already has, based on nothing. Nonsense, we're discussing it, period. That's one of the main reasons for this ng. Most here dislike troll posts as in "Anything UbiSoft makes, is...", but "what...if" discussions are very entertaining. > > You've probably only seen the distorted screenshots and video clips of > F12000 which were taken from the replay mode. Distorted, as in somebody screwed up all screenshots made of F1 2000? If the cars look more realistic in the final sim, I'm the first to buy it. But I doubt it (I hope that is a legal expression of oppinion).

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> > I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone, but it also will be missing > some very key features. > > '98 season. > > One car model for all teams. > > No TCP/IP internet play. Hotlap replays are a bore.

By your own standards, you shouldn't put down a sim before it's released... ;^) Or is it only "putting it down", if other people mention possible short- commings? l8er ronny -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.

On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:32:39 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If you check the videos which were just released, they have bigger melons >now. :-) > >David G Fisher You mean they hired Ferrari? Her last appearance in a production? :-) JoH ======================================== Jo Helsen EDP Operations BF Belgium [email hidden] ========================================

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> David G Fisher wrote: > > > > The producer never downngraded it, and he never would. > > > > R.a.s. already has, based on nothing. > > Nonsense, we're discussing it, period. That's one of the main > reasons for this ng. Most here dislike troll posts as in "Anything > UbiSoft makes, is...", but "what...if" discussions are very > entertaining. > > > > You've probably only seen the distorted screenshots and video clips of > > F12000 which were taken from the replay mode. > > Distorted, as in somebody screwed up all screenshots made of F1 2000? > If the cars look more realistic in the final sim, I'm the first to buy > it. > But I doubt it (I hope that is a legal expression of oppinion).

What I mean is that the screenshots were taken during replay mode. The pics have the fisheye lens effect which distorts the cars. > > > > I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone, but it also will bemissing

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> > some very key features. > > > > '98 season. > > > > One car model for all teams. > > > > No TCP/IP internet play. Hotlap replays are a bore. > > By your own standards, you shouldn't put down a sim before it's > released... > ;^) > > Or is it only "putting it down", if other people mention possible short- > commings?

I'm not putting down GP3, and I don't even remember any posts of yours which I thought were unfairly criticizing F1 2000, so why are we debating? It's others here at r.a.s. who have been unfair IMO. David G Fisher

Yeah... david wasn't puting down gp3...he's stating the facts. Read the fact sheet at alphaf1.com under "features to not be added". It's a pretty long list. And missing internet play is a huge sales factor these days. DjFIL David G Fisher wrote:

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> "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > > The producer never downngraded it, and he never would. > > > > > > R.a.s. already has, based on nothing. > > > > Nonsense, we're discussing it, period. That's one of the main > > reasons for this ng. Most here dislike troll posts as in "Anything > > UbiSoft makes, is...", but "what...if" discussions are very > > entertaining. > > > > > > > You've probably only seen the distorted screenshots and video clips of > > > F12000 which were taken from the replay mode. > > > > Distorted, as in somebody screwed up all screenshots made of F1 2000? > > If the cars look more realistic in the final sim, I'm the first to buy > > it. > > But I doubt it (I hope that is a legal expression of oppinion). > > What I mean is that the screenshots were taken during replay mode. The pics > have the fisheye lens effect which distorts the cars. > > > > > > > I'm looking forward to GP3 as much as anyone, but it also will be > missing > > > some very key features. > > > > > > '98 season. > > > > > > One car model for all teams. > > > > > > No TCP/IP internet play. Hotlap replays are a bore. > > > > By your own standards, you shouldn't put down a sim before it's > > released... > > ;^) > > > > Or is it only "putting it down", if other people mention possible short- > > commings? > > I'm not putting down GP3, and I don't even remember any posts of yours which > I thought were unfairly criticizing F1 2000, so why are we debating? It's > others here at r.a.s. who have been unfair IMO. > > David G Fisher