Re: Pedal Questions

In article <[email hidden]>, Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote: > Can anyone explain to me how to add a set of pedals to my MS PP > stick? Is there a web site that a) explains how to do this and > b) explains how to make your own pedals? > > Is it possible just to buy pedals without a wheel? To answer your last question, no, I don't think this is possible. I asked Logitech that question on the phone about their pedals and they said no. Also, most of the pedals I've seen in the store have a small (possibly 5-pin?) cord which you plug into the wheel unit, which then plugs into the game port using a standard (15-pin?) connector. So you'd have to do some h/w modifications, or at least get an adapter. I have been toying with this too (stick/pedals) since I don't really have room for a wheel. So I ordered the CH Products Pro Pedals USB (www.chproducts.com) to go with my Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D joystick. The stick and the pedals will each plug into their own USB port. The CH products tech support told me this should work on games which support 2 joysticks (e.g. Nascar 3). Also they are developing a driver to allow this sort of combo to work for games which support only one joystick. So just maybe it will work with Dirt Track Racing one day. I don't know about GPL. I also like that I can do flight sims with this setup too. I figure future games will support 2 joysticks as a baseline but this might be a bad guess. I tried an experiment where I put my Logitech joystick in the USB port, and an old Interact FX racing wheel in the game port. I was able to configure N3 to work with this, where the joystick provided steering, and the racing wheel provided gas and brakes, dual-axis. So I think games like N3 would work with a USB joystick and any old set of pedals in the gameport. But this setup did not work in Dirt Track Racing; it looks only for joystick 1. It ignored the FX racing wheel in the second joystick slot (under windows settings/game controllers). One thing, the CH products tech support told me I'd need the USB pedals to pair with a USB joystick. Couldn't use the gameport pedals with USB stick. Also CH products is coming out with a USB version of their non-Pro pedals. -- Doug Appleyard "Bound to cover just a little more ground" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Try http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk/wheels for details on building a wheel setup - also includes pedals and wiring diagrams which you could adapt. MG

> The CH products tech support told me this should work > on games which support 2 joysticks (e.g. Nascar 3). This is about the 3rd or 4th post stating that Nascar 3 will work with 2 controllers at the smae time, like GPL. I've gotten GPL to recognize both my LWFF and TSW pedals, but have not gotten this configuration to work in Nascar 3. Control Panel has TSW on ID 1 and LWFF in ID 2. I'm using Win95 OSR2 and the LWFF is connected thru the serial port (not USB). As I say, this works fine in GPL, but not in Nascar 3. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

> Control Panel has TSW on ID 1 and LWFF in ID 2. I'm using Win95 OSR2 > and the LWFF is connected thru the serial port (not USB). As I say, > this works fine in GPL, but not in Nascar 3. Same here only I've got the LWFF as ID 1 and the CH Pedals as ID 2. I'd really like to use the CH Pedals in N3 and RC2000 as well as in GPL as they are far superior. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk

Can anyone explain to me how to add a set of pedals to my MS PP stick? Is there a web site that a) explains how to do this and b) explains how to make your own pedals? Is it possible just to buy pedals without a wheel? Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

You could buy some CH Pedals. I use them with my LWFF in GPL and they are excellent, far superior to the original pedals. They can be used together with a joystick or wheel. In Windows, I set up a controller using the CH Flightstck Pro driver which combines a joystick with the CH Pedals to give split axis pedal support. You can find details of the pedals here: http://www.chproducts.com/pcgear/chpedal.html Hope this helps. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk

> Can anyone explain to me how to add a set of pedals to my MS PP > stick? Is there a web site that a) explains how to do this and > b) explains how to make your own pedals? > Is it possible just to buy pedals without a wheel? If you don't mind spending a few dollars, these pedals are probably the best you can get, period http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/lakewood/Redline2.htm He also makes a switchbox to make them separate or combined and an adapter to fit most wheels, bought mine some 6 months ago, love 'em, especially for GPL, that brake pedal system is something else, I bought just the pedals and combined them with my homemade wheel Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

a small, friendly piece of advice for people who are planning to cut/hack/solder to join pedals/wheels/joysticks together: Unplug stuff from the joystick port first!! i didn't, and accidentally sent 5volts somewhere it shouldn't have been, rendering my joystick port useless. (sound still worked ok though.) had to replace the card... stupid stupid stupid martin.

I guess you can buy alot of LWFF-pedals from the guys around here <vbg> It should be possible to connect some stand-alone pedals to the serial port. I've seen a webpage about that before but don't have the address, sorry. Jens On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:27:04 -0800, Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Can anyone explain to me how to add a set of pedals to my MS PP >stick? Is there a web site that a) explains how to do this and >b) explains how to make your own pedals? > >Is it possible just to buy pedals without a wheel? > >Chris > > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

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Summary: CH Pro Pedals work with Logitech stick in N3! Okay, got my CH Pro Pedals USB yesterday. Plugged them into USB port 2. My Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D joystick was already in port 1. Installed the drivers, etc. Now I have the following under Device Manager in this order: 1. CH Pro Pedals 2. Creative SB Live 3. HID-compliant (came with pedals) 4. Logitech HID 5. Logitech USB I calibrated the pedals and checked out settings/ control panels/game controllers. Stick in ID 1, pedals in ID 2. Started N3. Opened Options. Calibrate joystick 1. It is the left-right-up-down of my stick. Okay now time for the big test. Calibrate joystick 2. Pedals NOT detected; instead throttle/twist from my stick is detected (even though the stick is ID 1!). Okay. Quit out of Nascar 3 and go into settings/control panels/game controllers/advanced. Swap stick to ID3, then pedals to ID1, then stick to ID2. Back into Nascar 3. Options, calibrate joystick 1. It is my pedals - they are detected. Calibrate joystick 2. It is left-right of stick (up-down not detected for some reason, but I don't need up-down if the pedals work). So both stick and pedals are detected. Assign various functions - test drive - success!!! But the remaining problem is my main joystick is now in ID 2. So if I enter a game such as Dirt Track Racing which supports 1 joystick only, then it sees my pedals as the joystick. Not very useful. So my Nascar3 workaround is to swap the joystick IDs. I hope this is just a Nascar 3 thing. I would hope other games would see joystick 1 as the joystick in ID 1, and joystick 2 as the pedals in ID 2. As it is, I can't use joystick/pedals in any game which supports one joystick only. CH products is coming up with a driver to allow separate joystick and pedals to use just one joystick ID. That might help if if works with the Logitech Wingman. If not I might buy a CH stick someday... we'll see. -- Doug Appleyard "Bound to cover just a little more ground" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.