Re: GPL on Sierra Originals

On Sun 12 Mar 2000 08:11:03p, Phil Lee wrote: >For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least >here in England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a >backup copy today for �9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't >updated the CD so it still installs version 1.0.<snip> Now that's just bloody stupid. How much effort would it have taken them? Shows how little they care about GPL these days, doesn't it? -- David. "The lawyers are destroying inspiration." (Michael Turner, motorsport artist)

On 12 Mar 2000 22:05:33 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>On Sun 12 Mar 2000 08:11:03p, Phil Lee wrote: > >>For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least >>here in England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a >>backup copy today for �9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't >>updated the CD so it still installs version 1.0. ><snip> > >Now that's just bloody stupid. How much effort would it have taken >them? Shows how little they care about GPL these days, doesn't it?

Perhaps they had a surplus of CD's and they didn't have to press anymore? No point tossing the old ones out? Cheers, Rod.

For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least here in England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a backup copy today for �9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't updated the CD so it still installs version 1.0. Hopefully this budget release will bring a whole new set of people to GPL. I do feel that Sierra missed an opportunity to sort out the OpenGL patch and open the full beauty of GPL to everyone. How many people are going to get it home, install it, find it doesn't work in hardware mode and then bin the best race sim ever? I know I nearly did when I got my copy four months ago from a bargain bin. It was only by trawling the net and stumbling on the OpenGL patch which led me down the road of buying an LWFF, CH Pedals, SB Live! and V3 2000 all to improve GPL. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk

a floppy with the patch would have done the trick or even a piece of paper with the URL it is a real shame that so many people will be denied a sim 10years ahead of its time Marc

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> On 12 Mar 2000 22:05:33 GMT, > >>For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least > >>here in England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a > >>backup copy today for 9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't > >>updated the CD so it still installs version 1.0. > ><snip> > >Now that's just ***y stupid. How much effort would it have taken > >them? Shows how little they care about GPL these days, doesn't it? > Perhaps they had a surplus of CD's and they didn't have to press > anymore? No point tossing the old ones out? > Cheers, > Rod.

I sure hope it makes it back across the pond to the USA, hehe. I'm still in a search for GPL with no success. Even offering to buy a used copy locally brings no responses, argh!! Anyways.... I been a longtime Sierra fan going back to the 80's. What with King's Quest and various other games they produced. I used to get their quarterly magazine and the last part of 98, they had reviews of upcoming games, such as N3, GPL, Tribes and Starseige, plus a WW2 Fighters type game that got cancelled at the last second...getting to the meat of the subject... Even back then, with the *** of 3dfx, and their king of the hill Voodoo 2 card, Sierra basically made the call that nobody was gonna catch, no way would they ever beat, 3dfx and their voodoo style cards. I might have my time period wrong, but anyways, the TNT cards were not released yet, or had just been released. In their reader/consumer feedback mailbag for this one issue, someone asked that very question..."Why no OpenGL support?". And basically already gave you the answer, 3dfx was the king of the hill, so Sierra was only gonna make games for those line of cards. I seen this same goofy argument for months and months when Tribes came out, Dec 98 i believe, which some folks had just bought their shiny new, and obsolete when it hit the shelf, TNT cards and complained. Know what Sierra did? Released an OpenGL patch. Know what happened then? The TNT owners complained that their cards running Tribes didn't look as pretty, nor run as fast as their friends who used 3dfx voodoo's. DUH!! Reality check. If you ask me, and nobody did, but my two cents here, Sierra in a way, was right in what they did. It was the consumers who made the mistake of sinking their money into a poorly designed card. For those that don't remember, you could buy 2 TNT cards, 1 would work in your machine, the other one wouldn't work in your machine. That was *proven* by countless magazines and even fessed up a bit by Invidia. It was a rushed design and build, which makes for a poorly designed card. Yeah, many months down the road it became usable with lots of updated drivers, but mostly the TNT debacle was forgotten when the TNT-2 came out. Even the GeForce (Gee Whiz?) cards aren't what they should be. Far from the Voodoo killer they claim to be. I'm a reformed flight sim ***, and Janes made their WWII Fighters to support everything, D3D, Glide and OpenGL. Know what happened when the flying jocks got their new cards?? They wouldn't work, not in D3D nor OpenGL. No way am I gonna spend double what a Voodoo 3 costs, and not be able to use it. :) By the way, you'll be lucky to find OpenGL support for anything in the coming years. Janes apparently gave up on it, as did Sierra. You know Microsoft won't want it in their games, they make the D3D, hehe. More and more companies are going to a Direct 3D and/or Glide combo in their games. Such as Nascar 3 did, Janes USAF, Janes F/A-18, and probably some of the new ones coming out any day. I never knew what the big deal with OpenGL was anyways. It doesn't look as good at D3D or Glide, and is prone to be alot more buggy. Anyways... Destin p.s. Kinda neat how Bethesda has some race games coming out in the near future, but yet their previous drag racing games gave you two choices. Software render (unaccelerate, might as well be 2d) or 3dfx Glide. So get ready to complain when the Skip Barber racing game comes out, unless they include D3D and OpenGL.

So what URL can the patch be found ? John -- John Hartridge >a floppy with the patch would have done the trick >or even a piece of paper with the URL >it is a real shame that so many people will be denied a sim 10years ahead of >its time >Marc

Here: http://www.papy.com/gpl/download.html

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> So what URL can the patch be found ? > John > -- > John Hartridge > >a floppy with the patch would have done the trick > >or even a piece of paper with the URL > >it is a real shame that so many people will be denied a sim 10years ahead > of > >its time > >Marc

I got my copy about 2 weeks ago off of the Sierra Online Store. It cost a little more than the bargin bin price but still well worth it. Tim

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> I sure hope it makes it back across the pond to the USA, hehe. I'm still in > a search for GPL with no success. Even offering to buy a used copy locally > brings no responses, argh!! Anyways.... > I been a longtime Sierra fan going back to the 80's. What with King's Quest > and various other games they produced. I used to get their quarterly > magazine and the last part of 98, they had reviews of upcoming games, such > as N3, GPL, Tribes and Starseige, plus a WW2 Fighters type game that got > cancelled at the last second...getting to the meat of the subject... > Even back then, with the *** of 3dfx, and their king of the hill > Voodoo 2 card, Sierra basically made the call that nobody was gonna catch, > no way would they ever beat, 3dfx and their voodoo style cards. I might have > my time period wrong, but anyways, the TNT cards were not released yet, or > had just been released. In their reader/consumer feedback mailbag for this > one issue, someone asked that very question..."Why no OpenGL support?". > And basically already gave you the answer, 3dfx was the king of the hill, so > Sierra was only gonna make games for those line of cards. > I seen this same goofy argument for months and months when Tribes came out, > Dec 98 i believe, which some folks had just bought their shiny new, and > obsolete when it hit the shelf, TNT cards and complained. Know what Sierra > did? Released an OpenGL patch. Know what happened then? The TNT owners > complained that their cards running Tribes didn't look as pretty, nor run as > fast as their friends who used 3dfx voodoo's. > DUH!! Reality check. If you ask me, and nobody did, but my two cents here, > Sierra in a way, was right in what they did. It was the consumers who made > the mistake of sinking their money into a poorly designed card. For those > that don't remember, you could buy 2 TNT cards, 1 would work in your > machine, the other one wouldn't work in your machine. That was *proven* by > countless magazines and even fessed up a bit by Invidia. It was a rushed > design and build, which makes for a poorly designed card. Yeah, many months > down the road it became usable with lots of updated drivers, but mostly the > TNT debacle was forgotten when the TNT-2 came out. Even the GeForce (Gee > Whiz?) cards aren't what they should be. Far from the Voodoo killer they > claim to be. I'm a reformed flight sim ***, and Janes made their WWII > Fighters to support everything, D3D, Glide and OpenGL. Know what happened > when the flying jocks got their new cards?? They wouldn't work, not in D3D > nor OpenGL. No way am I gonna spend double what a Voodoo 3 costs, and not be > able to use it. :) > By the way, you'll be lucky to find OpenGL support for anything in the > coming years. Janes apparently gave up on it, as did Sierra. You know > Microsoft won't want it in their games, they make the D3D, hehe. More and > more companies are going to a Direct 3D and/or Glide combo in their games. > Such as Nascar 3 did, Janes USAF, Janes F/A-18, and probably some of the new > ones coming out any day. I never knew what the big deal with OpenGL was > anyways. It doesn't look as good at D3D or Glide, and is prone to be alot > more buggy. > Anyways... > Destin > p.s. Kinda neat how Bethesda has some race games coming out in the near > future, but yet their previous drag racing games gave you two choices. > Software render (unaccelerate, might as well be 2d) or 3dfx Glide. So get > ready to complain when the Skip Barber racing game comes out, unless they > include D3D and OpenGL. > > For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least here > in > > England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a backup copy today > for > > 9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't updated the CD so it still > > installs version 1.0. Hopefully this budget release will bring a whole > new > > set of people to GPL. > > I do feel that Sierra missed an opportunity to sort out the OpenGL patch > and > > open the full beauty of GPL to everyone. How many people are going to get > > it home, install it, find it doesn't work in hardware mode and then bin > the > > best race sim ever? I know I nearly did when I got my copy four months > ago > > from a bargain bin. It was only by trawling the net and stumbling on the > > OpenGL patch which led me down the road of buying an LWFF, CH Pedals, SB > > Live! and V3 2000 all to improve GPL. > > Cheers > > Phil > > -- > > [link lost in import]

Interact CD (www.interactcd.com) also has it, for US$ 19.95. They usually take a bit off it you order it without the box (i.e. just CD and manuals.

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> I got my copy about 2 weeks ago off of the Sierra Online Store. It cost > a little more than the bargin bin price but still well worth it. > Tim > > I sure hope it makes it back across the pond to the USA, hehe. I'm still

in > > a search for GPL with no success. Even offering to buy a used copy locally > > brings no responses, argh!! Anyways.... > > I been a longtime Sierra fan going back to the 80's. What with King's Quest > > and various other games they produced. I used to get their quarterly > > magazine and the last part of 98, they had reviews of upcoming games, such > > as N3, GPL, Tribes and Starseige, plus a WW2 Fighters type game that got > > cancelled at the last second...getting to the meat of the subject... > > Even back then, with the *** of 3dfx, and their king of the hill > > Voodoo 2 card, Sierra basically made the call that nobody was gonna catch, > > no way would they ever beat, 3dfx and their voodoo style cards. I might have > > my time period wrong, but anyways, the TNT cards were not released yet, or > > had just been released. In their reader/consumer feedback mailbag for this > > one issue, someone asked that very question..."Why no OpenGL support?". > > And basically already gave you the answer, 3dfx was the king of the hill, so > > Sierra was only gonna make games for those line of cards. > > I seen this same goofy argument for months and months when Tribes came out, > > Dec 98 i believe, which some folks had just bought their shiny new, and > > obsolete when it hit the shelf, TNT cards and complained. Know what Sierra > > did? Released an OpenGL patch. Know what happened then? The TNT owners > > complained that their cards running Tribes didn't look as pretty, nor run as > > fast as their friends who used 3dfx voodoo's. > > DUH!! Reality check. If you ask me, and nobody did, but my two cents here, > > Sierra in a way, was right in what they did. It was the consumers who made > > the mistake of sinking their money into a poorly designed card. For those > > that don't remember, you could buy 2 TNT cards, 1 would work in your > > machine, the other one wouldn't work in your machine. That was *proven* by > > countless magazines and even fessed up a bit by Invidia. It was a rushed > > design and build, which makes for a poorly designed card. Yeah, many months > > down the road it became usable with lots of updated drivers, but mostly the > > TNT debacle was forgotten when the TNT-2 came out. Even the GeForce (Gee > > Whiz?) cards aren't what they should be. Far from the Voodoo killer they > > claim to be. I'm a reformed flight sim ***, and Janes made their WWII > > Fighters to support everything, D3D, Glide and OpenGL. Know what happened > > when the flying jocks got their new cards?? They wouldn't work, not in D3D > > nor OpenGL. No way am I gonna spend double what a Voodoo 3 costs, and not be > > able to use it. :) > > By the way, you'll be lucky to find OpenGL support for anything in the > > coming years. Janes apparently gave up on it, as did Sierra. You know > > Microsoft won't want it in their games, they make the D3D, hehe. More and > > more companies are going to a Direct 3D and/or Glide combo in their games. > > Such as Nascar 3 did, Janes USAF, Janes F/A-18, and probably some of the new > > ones coming out any day. I never knew what the big deal with OpenGL was > > anyways. It doesn't look as good at D3D or Glide, and is prone to be alot

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> > more buggy. > > Anyways... > > Destin > > p.s. Kinda neat how Bethesda has some race games coming out in the near > > future, but yet their previous drag racing games gave you two choices. > > Software render (unaccelerate, might as well be 2d) or 3dfx Glide. So

get > > ready to complain when the Skip Barber racing game comes out, unless they > > include D3D and OpenGL. > > > For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least here > > in > > > England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a backup copy today > > for > > > 9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't updated the CD so it still > > > installs version 1.0. Hopefully this budget release will bring a whole > > new > > > set of people to GPL. > > > I do feel that Sierra missed an opportunity to sort out the OpenGL patch > > and > > > open the full beauty of GPL to everyone. How many people are going to get > > > it home, install it, find it doesn't work in hardware mode and then bin > > the > > > best race sim ever? I know I nearly did when I got my copy four months > > ago > > > from a bargain bin. It was only by trawling the net and stumbling on the > > > OpenGL patch which led me down the road of buying an LWFF, CH Pedals, SB

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> > > Live! and V3 2000 all to improve GPL. > > > Cheers > > > Phil > > > -- > > > [link lost in import]

If any American wants the cheapie version of GPL, I'll get it for them in trade for Burnout PCE...I don't know if that's cheap over there, but I'm assuming it is... Email privately if interested, save clogging up the ng.. -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061 > Interact CD (www.interactcd.com) also has it, for US$ 19.95. They usually > take a bit off it you order it without the box (i.e. just CD and manuals. > > I got my copy about 2 weeks ago off of the Sierra Online Store. It cost > > a little more than the bargin bin price but still well worth it. > > Tim > > > I sure hope it makes it back across the pond to the USA, hehe. I'm still > in > > > a search for GPL with no success. Even offering to buy a used copy > locally > > > brings no responses, argh!! Anyways.... > > > I been a longtime Sierra fan going back to the 80's. What with King's > Quest > > > and various other games they produced. I used to get their quarterly > > > magazine and the last part of 98, they had reviews of upcoming games, > such > > > as N3, GPL, Tribes and Starseige, plus a WW2 Fighters type game that got > > > cancelled at the last second...getting to the meat of the subject... > > > Even back then, with the *** of 3dfx, and their king of the hill > > > Voodoo 2 card, Sierra basically made the call that nobody was gonna > catch, > > > no way would they ever beat, 3dfx and their voodoo style cards. I might > have > > > my time period wrong, but anyways, the TNT cards were not released yet, > or > > > had just been released. In their reader/consumer feedback mailbag for > this > > > one issue, someone asked that very question..."Why no OpenGL support?". > > > And basically already gave you the answer, 3dfx was the king of the > hill, so > > > Sierra was only gonna make games for those line of cards. > > > I seen this same goofy argument for months and months when Tribes came > out, > > > Dec 98 i believe, which some folks had just bought their shiny new, and > > > obsolete when it hit the shelf, TNT cards and complained. Know what > Sierra > > > did? Released an OpenGL patch. Know what happened then? The TNT owners > > > complained that their cards running Tribes didn't look as pretty, nor > run as > > > fast as their friends who used 3dfx voodoo's. > > > DUH!! Reality check. If you ask me, and nobody did, but my two cents > here, > > > Sierra in a way, was right in what they did. It was the consumers who > made > > > the mistake of sinking their money into a poorly designed card. For > those > > > that don't remember, you could buy 2 TNT cards, 1 would work in your > > > machine, the other one wouldn't work in your machine. That was *proven* > by > > > countless magazines and even fessed up a bit by Invidia. It was a rushed > > > design and build, which makes for a poorly designed card. Yeah, many > months > > > down the road it became usable with lots of updated drivers, but mostly > the > > > TNT debacle was forgotten when the TNT-2 came out. Even the GeForce (Gee > > > Whiz?) cards aren't what they should be. Far from the Voodoo killer they > > > claim to be. I'm a reformed flight sim ***, and Janes made their WWII > > > Fighters to support everything, D3D, Glide and OpenGL. Know what > happened > > > when the flying jocks got their new cards?? They wouldn't work, not in > D3D > > > nor OpenGL. No way am I gonna spend double what a Voodoo 3 costs, and > not be > > > able to use it. :) > > > By the way, you'll be lucky to find OpenGL support for anything in the > > > coming years. Janes apparently gave up on it, as did Sierra. You know > > > Microsoft won't want it in their games, they make the D3D, hehe. More > and > > > more companies are going to a Direct 3D and/or Glide combo in their > games. > > > Such as Nascar 3 did, Janes USAF, Janes F/A-18, and probably some of the > new > > > ones coming out any day. I never knew what the big deal with OpenGL was > > > anyways. It doesn't look as good at D3D or Glide, and is prone to be > alot > > > more buggy. > > > Anyways... > > > Destin > > > p.s. Kinda neat how Bethesda has some race games coming out in the near > > > future, but yet their previous drag racing games gave you two choices. > > > Software render (unaccelerate, might as well be 2d) or 3dfx Glide. So > get > > > ready to complain when the Skip Barber racing game comes out, unless > they > > > include D3D and OpenGL. > > > > For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least > here > > > in > > > > England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a backup copy > today > > > for > > > > 9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't updated the CD so it > still > > > > installs version 1.0. Hopefully this budget release will bring a > whole > > > new > > > > set of people to GPL. > > > > I do feel that Sierra missed an opportunity to sort out the OpenGL > patch > > > and > > > > open the full beauty of GPL to everyone. How many people are going to > get > > > > it home, install it, find it doesn't work in hardware mode and then > bin > > > the > > > > best race sim ever? I know I nearly did when I got my copy four > months > > > ago > > > > from a bargain bin. It was only by trawling the net and stumbling on > the > > > > OpenGL patch which led me down the road of buying an LWFF, CH Pedals, > SB > > > > Live! and V3 2000 all to improve GPL. > > > > Cheers > > > > Phil > > > > -- > > > > [link lost in import]

I think a long rant helps get things off your chest... hehe. At the time when GPL was being made, the TNT cards were very new and indeed buggy, but by the time the game came out the cards were getting fairly popular. The problems with them have been a few though: 1- games not designed to run in D3D or OpenGL. Patches are never a half decent solution and never give any decent frame rate. 2- Poor drivers. Well known fact that these have been a huge problem. 3- Bugs with super 7 boards. Most of the bugs and dramas have been related to the (generally less stable) super 7 platform. Lack of a quality chipset meant all kinds of dramas. The cards themselves aren't poorly designed IMO, just the drivers were never given proper testing with beta versions given to the guinea pig end users. If it weren't for the competition, we'd never be looking at some impressive V4/5 cards coming soon. 3DFX were very one eyed with the V3, leaving out an enormous list of features that other cards had alreadly implemented. That's why the TNT2 and GeForce are so popular. 32 bit colour, full scene anti aliasing, blah blah... If you play games like Q3, UT, etc., V3's aint anything special. As long as the game was not designed with Glide in mind... With regards to OpenGL, I disagree. Q2 had a huge following, allow with other games using it's engine. Q3 will follow suit for sure. I'm no programming guru, but apparently OpenGL and Glide are very easy to program in, while D3D is a pig. That's why Glide was so popular, along with the cards being widely available. As long as new games stick to either D3D or OpenGL (and 3DFX do a half decent job implemeting OpenGL) then EVERYONE will be happy. TNT/Geforce users, 3DFX users, Matrox users, etc. Without competition, we'd still be stuck with V2's at big bucks. That's my rant anyway... Rafe Mc

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>I sure hope it makes it back across the pond to the USA, hehe. I'm still in >a search for GPL with no success. Even offering to buy a used copy locally >brings no responses, argh!! Anyways.... >I been a longtime Sierra fan going back to the 80's. What with King's Quest >and various other games they produced. I used to get their quarterly >magazine and the last part of 98, they had reviews of upcoming games, such >as N3, GPL, Tribes and Starseige, plus a WW2 Fighters type game that got >cancelled at the last second...getting to the meat of the subject... >Even back then, with the *** of 3dfx, and their king of the hill >Voodoo 2 card, Sierra basically made the call that nobody was gonna catch, >no way would they ever beat, 3dfx and their voodoo style cards. I might have >my time period wrong, but anyways, the TNT cards were not released yet, or >had just been released. In their reader/consumer feedback mailbag for this >one issue, someone asked that very question..."Why no OpenGL support?". >And basically already gave you the answer, 3dfx was the king of the hill, so >Sierra was only gonna make games for those line of cards. >I seen this same goofy argument for months and months when Tribes came out, >Dec 98 i believe, which some folks had just bought their shiny new, and >obsolete when it hit the shelf, TNT cards and complained. Know what Sierra >did? Released an OpenGL patch. Know what happened then? The TNT owners >complained that their cards running Tribes didn't look as pretty, nor run as >fast as their friends who used 3dfx voodoo's. >DUH!! Reality check. If you ask me, and nobody did, but my two cents here, >Sierra in a way, was right in what they did. It was the consumers who made >the mistake of sinking their money into a poorly designed card. For those >that don't remember, you could buy 2 TNT cards, 1 would work in your >machine, the other one wouldn't work in your machine. That was *proven* by >countless magazines and even fessed up a bit by Invidia. It was a rushed >design and build, which makes for a poorly designed card. Yeah, many months >down the road it became usable with lots of updated drivers, but mostly the >TNT debacle was forgotten when the TNT-2 came out. Even the GeForce (Gee >Whiz?) cards aren't what they should be. Far from the Voodoo killer they >claim to be. I'm a reformed flight sim ***, and Janes made their WWII >Fighters to support everything, D3D, Glide and OpenGL. Know what happened >when the flying jocks got their new cards?? They wouldn't work, not in D3D >nor OpenGL. No way am I gonna spend double what a Voodoo 3 costs, and not be >able to use it. :) >By the way, you'll be lucky to find OpenGL support for anything in the >coming years. Janes apparently gave up on it, as did Sierra. You know >Microsoft won't want it in their games, they make the D3D, hehe. More and >more companies are going to a Direct 3D and/or Glide combo in their games. >Such as Nascar 3 did, Janes USAF, Janes F/A-18, and probably some of the new >ones coming out any day. I never knew what the big deal with OpenGL was >anyways. It doesn't look as good at D3D or Glide, and is prone to be alot >more buggy. >Anyways... >Destin >p.s. Kinda neat how Bethesda has some race games coming out in the near >future, but yet their previous drag racing games gave you two choices. >Software render (unaccelerate, might as well be 2d) or 3dfx Glide. So get >ready to complain when the Skip Barber racing game comes out, unless they >include D3D and OpenGL. >> For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least here >in >> England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a backup copy today >for >> 9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't updated the CD so it still >> installs version 1.0. Hopefully this budget release will bring a whole >new >> set of people to GPL. >> I do feel that Sierra missed an opportunity to sort out the OpenGL patch >and >> open the full beauty of GPL to everyone. How many people are going to get >> it home, install it, find it doesn't work in hardware mode and then bin >the >> best race sim ever? I know I nearly did when I got my copy four months >ago >> from a bargain bin. It was only by trawling the net and stumbling on the >> OpenGL patch which led me down the road of buying an LWFF, CH Pedals, SB >> Live! and V3 2000 all to improve GPL. >> Cheers >> Phil >> -- >> [link lost in import]

Having lost on the deal already, do you really expect sierra to go pressing new cd's for the sake of selling them at 1/3 of the original price? MS "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun 12 Mar 2000 08:11:03p, Phil Lee wrote: > > >For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at least > >here in England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked up a > >backup copy today for �9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they haven't > >updated the CD so it still installs version 1.0. > <snip> > > Now that's just bloody stupid. How much effort would it have taken > them? Shows how little they care about GPL these days, doesn't it? > > -- > David. > "The lawyers are destroying inspiration." > (Michael Turner, motorsport artist)

On Tue 14 Mar 2000 10:28:53a, Mark Seery wrote: [Text reorganised so it reads more easily]

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>"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote >in message news:[email hidden]... >> On Sun 12 Mar 2000 08:11:03p, Phil Lee wrote: >> >> >For those of you that haven't heard, GPL is now available (at >> >least here in England) on the Sierra Originals label. I picked >> >up a backup copy today for �9.99 from Game. Unfortunately they >> >haven't updated the CD so it still installs version 1.0. >> <snip> >> >> Now that's just bloody stupid. How much effort would it have taken >> them? Shows how little they care about GPL these days, doesn't it? >Having lost on the deal already, do you really expect sierra to go >pressing new cd's for the sake of selling them at 1/3 of the >original price?

If they want to keep in with their market, and get a good response for whatever their next game is, then yes, I do. It can't cost very much to press several thousand new CDs. Many other games are updated properly when they come out on budget. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

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> Even back then, with the dominance of 3dfx, and their king of the hill > Voodoo 2 card, Sierra basically made the call that nobody was gonna catch, > no way would they ever beat, 3dfx and their voodoo style cards. I might have > my time period wrong, but anyways, the TNT cards were not released yet, or > had just been released. In their reader/consumer feedback mailbag for this > one issue, someone asked that very question..."Why no OpenGL support?". > And basically already gave you the answer, 3dfx was the king of the hill, so > Sierra was only gonna make games for those line of cards.

Hate to tell you this mate but Nascar, Nascar 2, ICR, ICR2 and GPL were all originally written with the code optimized for Rendition chipsets and were only given 3dfx support late <sic> in the game. For that reason I still use an 8 meg video card and it runs GPL at a constant 36fps just fine. fwiw if I were to buy a card today it definitely be a 3dfx product. JM

In article <8ahoim$n02$[email hidden]>, "Marc Mercer" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>a floppy with the patch would have done the trick > >or even a piece of paper with the URL > >it is a real shame that so many people will be denied a sim 10years ahead of >its time > >Marc

Does the auto update thing find the patch yet? People could STILL download the 1.2 version... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.