LCD monitor

Any reviews or information on this monitor? Philips 190S5FB Thanks, f1simracer

Doesn't seem to be listed on Philips web site but the 190B5CS is. That's a 25ms response time so wouldn't be particularly good for fast moving graphics. I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, although I understand 8ms TFT's will be available by Xmas. That's not to say that response time is the only measure of a TFT. Brightess, contrast and viewing angles need to be competitive too. Then there's the all too difficult 'image quality' to consider. -- Andi. Remove only one zero to reply "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Any reviews or information on this monitor? > > Philips 190S5FB > > Thanks, > f1simracer > >

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:40:13 -0000, "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response time.

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> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:40:13 -0000, "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > > And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > time. >

What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road Racing online league was asking the same question. dh

>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > > And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > time. Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only areas that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption & geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but I can't find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at the same time a decent response time. You really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen.

this is the one I am waiting on. The Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ has an industry leading ultra-fast 8ms response time making it perfect for blur-free video and gaming. With it's 700:1 contrast ratio and excellent viewing angle their is no other TFT/LCD that can match the quality and performance of Hyundai's latest L90D+ LCD Monitor. - 8ms Response Time - 0.294mm of Pixels Pitch - 700:1 Contrast Ratio - 300 CDm� Brightness - 150�/ 135� (h./v.) Viewing Angles - frequency range 31 to 80kHz horizontal and 56 to 75Hz vertically - Automatic Picture Synchronisation - 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz recommended resolution - 16.7 million colors display - Dual inputs: D-Sub and DVI-D signal input - DVI cable included - integrated loudspeaker (2ch x 2 Watts RMS) - headphone connection - TCO 03 - Kensington ready - Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space) - 3 years on-site warranty "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, >> >> And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the >> response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response >> time. > > Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only > areas that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power > consumption & geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their > convenience but I can't find one that has contrast even remotely > comparable to a CRT and at the same time a decent response time. You > really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or dark > scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen. > >

" What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road Racing online league was asking the same question." I was recently looking into the LCDs and it was difficult to find a good site with lots of reviews. I did find this: http://tech-report.com/reviews/2004q1/lcds/index.x?pg=1 which gives some pros and cons of LCD that I thought were helpful. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Bass <[email hidden]> wrote in news:onjcq0hid7l2i9a39hqg94f375outnhjmb@ > 4ax.com: > >> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:40:13 -0000, "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, >> >> And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the >> response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response >> time. >> > > What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > Racing online league was asking the same question. > > dh

Try here. http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=610 "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> " What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > Racing online league was asking the same question." > > I was recently looking into the LCDs and it was difficult to find a good > site with lots of reviews. I did find this: > http://tech-report.com/reviews/2004q1/lcds/index.x?pg=1 which gives some > pros and cons of LCD that I thought were helpful. > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Bass <[email hidden]> wrote in news:onjcq0hid7l2i9a39hqg94f375outnhjmb@ > > 4ax.com: > > > >> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:40:13 -0000, "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > >> > >> And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > >> response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > >> time. > >> > > > > What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > > Racing online league was asking the same question. > > > > dh > >

Or here. http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=vp201b&page=1 "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> " What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > Racing online league was asking the same question." > > I was recently looking into the LCDs and it was difficult to find a good > site with lots of reviews. I did find this: > http://tech-report.com/reviews/2004q1/lcds/index.x?pg=1 which gives some > pros and cons of LCD that I thought were helpful. > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Bass <[email hidden]> wrote in news:onjcq0hid7l2i9a39hqg94f375outnhjmb@ > > 4ax.com: > > > >> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:40:13 -0000, "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > >> > >> And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > >> response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > >> time. > >> > > > > What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > > Racing online league was asking the same question. > > > > dh > >

> > What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > > Racing online league was asking the same question. > > Good place to start: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html

And don't forget about backlights and the astonishing repair cost if they go out. Backlights are the 'dirty little secret' of the LCD industry. Don't think you can replace a $20 lamp. No, you have to replace the entire panel at a cost usually greater than the cost of the Monitor itself. What makes it so bad there is no physical reason for this. -Larry "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > > > > And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > > response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > > time. > > Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only

areas > that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption& > geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but I can't > find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at thesame > time a decent response time. You really notice an LCD's shortcomings when > watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail inthose > scenes on an LCD screen. > >

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:48:09 +1000, "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only areas >that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption & >geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but I can't >find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at the same >time a decent response time. You really notice an LCD's shortcomings when >watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in those >scenes on an LCD screen. >

Yea, I bought a Samsung LCD and after one year I went out and bought another CRT monitor because the contrast ratio bugged me. I now use the LCD on my weaker second PC and use the CRT on my gaming PC. I hear some company has designed a CRT monitor that is only 13" in depth, that might offer the best compromise for someone who wants a slimish monitor and a good quality image.

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>this is the one I am waiting on. > >The Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ has an industry leading ultra-fast 8ms response >time making it perfect for blur-free video and gaming. With it's 700:1 >contrast ratio and excellent viewing angle their is no other TFT/LCD that >can match the quality and performance of Hyundai's latest L90D+ LCD Monitor. > >- 8ms Response Time >- 0.294mm of Pixels Pitch >- 700:1 Contrast Ratio >- 300 CDm� Brightness >- 150�/ 135� (h./v.) Viewing Angles >- frequency range 31 to 80kHz horizontal and 56 to 75Hz vertically >- Automatic Picture Synchronisation >- 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz recommended resolution >- 16.7 million colors display >- Dual inputs: D-Sub and DVI-D signal input >- DVI cable included >- integrated loudspeaker (2ch x 2 Watts RMS) >- headphone connection >- TCO 03 >- Kensington ready >- Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space) >- 3 years on-site warranty

Looks good on paper, but I expect it is very expensive too.

Any word on price? "mjones53" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:38wpd.116$v%[email hidden]... > this is the one I am waiting on. > > The Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ has an industry leading ultra-fast 8msresponse > time making it perfect for blur-free video and gaming. With it's 700:1 > contrast ratio and excellent viewing angle their is no other TFT/LCD that > can match the quality and performance of Hyundai's latest L90D+ LCDMonitor.

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> > - 8ms Response Time > - 0.294mm of Pixels Pitch > - 700:1 Contrast Ratio > - 300 CDm� Brightness > - 150�/ 135� (h./v.) Viewing Angles > - frequency range 31 to 80kHz horizontal and 56 to 75Hz vertically > - Automatic Picture Synchronisation > - 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz recommended resolution > - 16.7 million colors display > - Dual inputs: D-Sub and DVI-D signal input > - DVI cable included > - integrated loudspeaker (2ch x 2 Watts RMS) > - headphone connection > - TCO 03 > - Kensington ready > - Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space) > - 3 years on-site warranty > > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > >> > >> And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > >> response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > >> time. > > > > Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only > > areas that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power > > consumption & geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their > > convenience but I can't find one that has contrast even remotely > > comparable to a CRT and at the same time a decent response time. You > > really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or

dark > > scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen. > > > > > >

Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. "Bass" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:00:32 -0600, "mjones53" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >this is the one I am waiting on. > > > >The Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ has an industry leading ultra-fast 8msresponse > >time making it perfect for blur-free video and gaming. With it's 700:1 > >contrast ratio and excellent viewing angle their is no other TFT/LCD that > >can match the quality and performance of Hyundai's latest L90D+ LCDMonitor.

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> > > >- 8ms Response Time > >- 0.294mm of Pixels Pitch > >- 700:1 Contrast Ratio > >- 300 CDm� Brightness > >- 150�/ 135� (h./v.) Viewing Angles > >- frequency range 31 to 80kHz horizontal and 56 to 75Hz vertically > >- Automatic Picture Synchronisation > >- 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz recommended resolution > >- 16.7 million colors display > >- Dual inputs: D-Sub and DVI-D signal input > >- DVI cable included > >- integrated loudspeaker (2ch x 2 Watts RMS) > >- headphone connection > >- TCO 03 > >- Kensington ready > >- Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space) > >- 3 years on-site warranty > > Looks good on paper, but I expect it is very expensive too.

CRT monitors "can't" be repaired either. That is, replacing the tube is invariably more expensive than replacing the whole thing. I had a lovely Sony 21" CRT die after less than 2 years. (OTOH, I've had a 21" NEC for 5 years.) Did anybody mention dead pixels? Most manufacturers won't replace under warranty if there's less than 3-5, which is very visible and hugely irritating. But the QC is getting better. The last 4 LCD buys I've been involved in showed NO dead pixels. The biggest issue for gamers is picture quality (tons better w. a CRT) and response time (every LCD I've seen shows some blurring...a big issue if you play 3d-centric games like auto racing and FPSs). That said, I won't go back. As my CRTs die, they're being replaced by LCDs, which just get better and better, cheaper and cheaper. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UpJpd.6874$T02.56@lakeread06... > And don't forget about backlights and the astonishing repair cost if theygo > out. > > Backlights are the 'dirty little secret' of the LCD industry. > > Don't think you can replace a $20 lamp. No, you have to replace theentire

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> panel at a cost usually greater than the cost of the Monitor itself. > > What makes it so bad there is no physical reason for this. > > -Larry > > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > > > > > > And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > > > response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > > > time. > > > > Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only > areas > > that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power

consumption > & > > geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but Ican't > > find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at the > same > > time a decent response time. You really notice an LCD's shortcomingswhen

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> > watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in > those > > scenes on an LCD screen. > > > > > >

They're still messing w. "shallow" CRTs for television. They have image-qual issues. Prob is, the deflection angles are acute when the tube is shallow. It's like that machine-gun that shoots around corners the Germans tried in WW II. It just isn't very accurate. "Bass" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:48:09 +1000, "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The onlyareas > >that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption& > >geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but Ican't > >find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at thesame > >time a decent response time. You really notice an LCD's shortcomingswhen > >watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail inthose

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> >scenes on an LCD screen. > > > > Yea, I bought a Samsung LCD and after one year I went out and bought > another CRT monitor because the contrast ratio bugged me. I now use > the LCD on my weaker second PC and use the CRT on my gaming PC. I > hear some company has designed a CRT monitor that is only 13" in > depth, that might offer the best compromise for someone who wants a > slimish monitor and a good quality image.

Found it: $380 @ newegg (my fav online store). The descrip @ CNET sez it only has a 500:1 contrast ratio. "mjones53" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:38wpd.116$v%[email hidden]... > this is the one I am waiting on. > > The Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ has an industry leading ultra-fast 8msresponse > time making it perfect for blur-free video and gaming. With it's 700:1 > contrast ratio and excellent viewing angle their is no other TFT/LCD that > can match the quality and performance of Hyundai's latest L90D+ LCDMonitor.

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> > - 8ms Response Time > - 0.294mm of Pixels Pitch > - 700:1 Contrast Ratio > - 300 CDm� Brightness > - 150�/ 135� (h./v.) Viewing Angles > - frequency range 31 to 80kHz horizontal and 56 to 75Hz vertically > - Automatic Picture Synchronisation > - 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz recommended resolution > - 16.7 million colors display > - Dual inputs: D-Sub and DVI-D signal input > - DVI cable included > - integrated loudspeaker (2ch x 2 Watts RMS) > - headphone connection > - TCO 03 > - Kensington ready > - Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space) > - 3 years on-site warranty > > "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > >> > >> And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > >> response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > >> time. > > > > Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only > > areas that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power > > consumption & geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their > > convenience but I can't find one that has contrast even remotely > > comparable to a CRT and at the same time a decent response time. You > > really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or

dark > > scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen. > > > > > >

In article <Os0qd.20477$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus). The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper). I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US. It's also on pre-order status there, with an expected availablity date of "early December".

In article <g21qd.26704$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Found it: $380 @ newegg (my fav online store). > > The descrip @ CNET sez it only has a 500:1 contrast ratio. > That one isn't the Plus version either. Look at the response time - 25ms...

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> In article <Os0qd.20477$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > > > > That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus). > > The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper). > > I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and > it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US. It's also on pre-order status > there, with an expected availablity date of "early December". > > >

With current exchange rates, �395.00 (GBP) is $748.21 (USD). Ian P

Oopsies - sorreeee! "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <Os0qd.20477$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > > > > That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus). > > The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper). > > I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and > it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US. It's also on pre-order status > there, with an expected availablity date of "early December". > > > > >

In article <41a8df6b$0$48222$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <Os0qd.20477$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > > > > > > > That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus). > > > > The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper). > > > > I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and > > it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US. It's also on pre-order status > > there, with an expected availablity date of "early December". > > > > > > > With current exchange rates, �395.00 (GBP) is $748.21 (USD). > > Ian P > > >

my bad...