Re: Long Live WAREZ!

You are the same people who probably think Hollywood has not corrupted and trivialized out motion picture industry....HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU PAY TO SEE TITANIC? LONG LIVE INDEPENDENT FILM maybe they don't have all the big money of Hollywood but they make much better products targeted at small segments of the population rather than the mainstream sell-out lowest-common-denominator crap you like...oh, but I guess you just care about special fx and not any rational plot line or story...much like all of the games you will be able to buy very soon - BIG BUDGET PILES OF SHIT WITH PRETTY PICTURES. So, why couldn't Papy survive? I think they would do better without the rule of iron-fisted bottom-line-minded big-brother Sierra... Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fSdB4.602$[email hidden]...

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> > "L_NiN0" 'wrote' in message > > > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > > <snip> > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense

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> > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of > pretty > > picture drones). LET THE F.... > > > Yeh great idea - publishers see profits drop - rationalise their product > range - no more niche products. > > Now on the other hand if the publishers flourish and millions more buy

boxes > with pretty pictures then maybe they can withstand the luxury of letting > developers produce some flagship products which make relatively littlemoney

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> but offer some prestige. > > What future for Papyrus if Sierra feel the squeeze? > > Tony > > >

This coming from someone who quotes Obi-Wan Kenobi - Ken Beard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6leB4.391$[email hidden]... > And this folks is what was brought in with all the warez hype....thanks. > > When all the publishers have moved on to PSX2 and X-Box - due to havingdisk > formats that are hard / impossible to make copies of on burners, and withno

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> possibility of downloading games for them, we'll have no one to blame but > the folks with this attitude - and ourselves. > > -- > Ken's Sig 3.01 > > "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - > Obi-Wan Kenobi > > Go #43 and #44! > > volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com > > > > L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Say it with me.... > > > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > > > If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are

truly > > truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. > > > > OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get > hurt. > > Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for > > releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake inon > > the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, ormaybe > > they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page ADon > > page 35. > > > > I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damnlong > > (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either(burned

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> > way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online > > community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price > has > > come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOW > it > > is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. > > > > Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us > > around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they

are > > loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accuratelycalculate > > how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buyingit > > and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? ORare > > they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see > that > > as being accurate either because many people will download somethingjust > > because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy > > option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not > > even thought about paying for it. > > > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common senseshopping > > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of > pretty > > picture drones). LET THE FUCKERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THEBIG

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> > ONE. > > > > OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you cried > for > > MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch > > because that would open the playing field for the smaller and more > inventive > > guys.... > > > > But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? > > GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our money > anyway. > > > > -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA

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> > not make a titles for the niches of the world. > > > > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed > > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only > > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one > of > > them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what got > them > > to the point they are at and need to be reminded. > > > > GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of

a > > legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN? > > > > > >

You mean a 20 year old film like Star Wars? or are you talking about the most recent pile of crap Lucas spit out ... hmmmm, loved all those computer effects...just seems he got too caught up in them and forgot to build any characters or plot...zzzz. Like playing a bad racing game with pretty pictures, lots of smoke, bad physics and unintelligent AI. ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N%eB4.49982$[email hidden]...

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> "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote > > LONG LIVE INDEPENDENT FILM > > You mean... independant film like.. Star Wars? > > > Hehe. > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > >

Say it with me.... LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are truly truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get hurt. Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake in on the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, or maybe they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page AD on page 35. I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damn long (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either (burned way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price has come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOW it is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they are loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accurately calculate how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buying it and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? OR are they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see that as being accurate either because many people will download something just because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not even thought about paying for it. I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense shopping (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of pretty picture drones). LET THE FUCKERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THE BIG ONE. OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you cried for MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch because that would open the playing field for the smaller and more inventive guys.... But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our money anyway. -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA does not make a titles for the niches of the world. -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one of them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what got them to the point they are at and need to be reminded. GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of a legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN?

Say it with me.... LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are truly truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get hurt. Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake in on the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, or maybe they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page AD on page 35. I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damn long (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either (burned way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price has come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOW it is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they are loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accurately calculate how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buying it and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? OR are they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see that as being accurate either because many people will download something just because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not even thought about paying for it. I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense shopping (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of pretty picture drones). LET THE ***ERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THE BIG ONE. OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you cried for MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch because that would open the playing field for the smaller and more inventive guys.... But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our money anyway. -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA does not make a titles for the niches of the world. -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one of them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO ***ING WHAT - They forgot what got them to the point they are at and need to be reminded. GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of a legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN?

OK, why would I go buy a $20,000 car just off the lot and never take it for a test drive to find it is doesn't work right and I wasn't informed of the various problems it had only told of the 'great features'...oh, and the car dealers policy...you left with it you own it...we might get around to a service patch for those brakes that don't work sometime in the next year or so...... So, why wouldn't I download a PRICEY APPLICATION to determine if it is or is not worth 3 bloody cents before I buy it with no option to get any type of refund back if its a TURD. OH and I do have stacks of shitty games that I DID BUY - and it has taught me that if the industry does not wish to change to offer a more complete and problem free products to their customers then FUCK THEM. Your opinions will not stop anyone from downloading pirated software or from copying cds and Im sure mine will not change yours so ###END### GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8b5qqg$8qn$[email hidden]... > May I just ask: > If you are not buying the product because you feel it is not up to your > standards then why would you download it an play it. Its the same gamewith

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> 100's more bugs and niggly bits to put up with. > > Make some sense! > > > L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Say it with me.... > > > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > > > If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are

truly > > truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. > > > > OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get > hurt. > > Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for > > releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake inon > > the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, ormaybe > > they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page ADon > > page 35. > > > > I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damnlong > > (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either(burned

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> > way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online > > community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price > has > > come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOW > it > > is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. > > > > Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us > > around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they

are > > loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accuratelycalculate > > how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buyingit > > and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? ORare > > they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see > that > > as being accurate either because many people will download somethingjust > > because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy > > option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not > > even thought about paying for it. > > > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common senseshopping > > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of > pretty > > picture drones). LET THE FUCKERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THEBIG

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> > ONE. > > > > OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you cried > for > > MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch > > because that would open the playing field for the smaller and more > inventive > > guys.... > > > > But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? > > GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our money > anyway. > > > > -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA

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> > not make a titles for the niches of the world. > > > > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed > > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only > > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one > of > > them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what got > them > > to the point they are at and need to be reminded. > > > > GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of

a > > legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN? > > > > > >

You on a sugar high or did you just snort too much? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You are the same people who probably think Hollywood has not corrupted and > trivialized out motion picture industry....HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU PAY TO SEE > TITANIC? > > LONG LIVE INDEPENDENT FILM > maybe they don't have all the big money of Hollywood but they make much > better products targeted at small segments of the population rather than the > mainstream sell-out lowest-common-denominator crap you like...oh, but I > guess you just care about special fx and not any rational plot line or > story...much like all of the games you will be able to buy very soon - BIG > BUDGET PILES OF SHIT WITH PRETTY PICTURES. > > So, why couldn't Papy survive? I think they would do better without the rule > of iron-fisted bottom-line-minded big-brother Sierra... > > > > Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fSdB4.602$[email hidden]... > > > > "L_NiN0" 'wrote' in message > > > > > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > > > > <snip> > > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > > > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense > shopping > > > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of > > pretty > > > picture drones). LET THE F.... > > > > > Yeh great idea - publishers see profits drop - rationalise their product > > range - no more niche products. > > > > Now on the other hand if the publishers flourish and millions more buy > boxes > > with pretty pictures then maybe they can withstand the luxury of letting > > developers produce some flagship products which make relatively little > money > > but offer some prestige. > > > > What future for Papyrus if Sierra feel the squeeze? > > > > Tony > > > > > > > >

"L_NiN0" 'wrote' in message > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... ><snip> > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense shopping > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions ofpretty > picture drones). LET THE F.... >Yeh great idea - publishers see profits drop - rationalise their product range - no more niche products. Now on the other hand if the publishers flourish and millions more buy boxes with pretty pictures then maybe they can withstand the luxury of letting developers produce some flagship products which make relatively little money but offer some prestige. What future for Papyrus if Sierra feel the squeeze? Tony

"L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for oneof > them? Just so your simple-mind don't spread more idioties and false information, Papyrus will ship their Nascar Craftmans Truck Series as a stand-alone expansion pack for Nascar Racing 3. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

With rationalizations like this, I am really glad I have locks on my doors.

And this folks is what was brought in with all the warez hype....thanks. When all the publishers have moved on to PSX2 and X-Box - due to having disk formats that are hard / impossible to make copies of on burners, and with no possibility of downloading games for them, we'll have no one to blame but the folks with this attitude - and ourselves. -- Ken's Sig 3.01 "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi Go #43 and #44! volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Say it with me.... > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are truly > truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. > > OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get hurt. > Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for > releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake in on > the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, or maybe > they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page AD on > page 35. > > I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damn long > (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either (burned > way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online > community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price has > come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOW it > is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. > > Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us > around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they are > loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accurately calculate > how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buying it > and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? OR are > they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see that > as being accurate either because many people will download something just > because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy > option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not > even thought about paying for it. > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense shopping > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of pretty > picture drones). LET THE FUCKERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THE BIG > ONE. > > OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you cried for > MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch > because that would open the playing field for the smaller and more inventive > guys.... > > But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? > GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our money anyway. > > -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA does > not make a titles for the niches of the world. > > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one of > them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what got them > to the point they are at and need to be reminded. > > GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of a > legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN? > >

"L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote > LONG LIVE INDEPENDENT FILM You mean... independant film like.. Star Wars? Hehe. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

And if you thought that quote was foolish - why did you post a followup? Think about it....it's what the post is about, NOT Star Wars.... -- Ken's Sig 3.01 "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi Go #43 and #44! volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This coming from someone who quotes Obi-Wan Kenobi - > > > Ken Beard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6leB4.391$[email hidden]... > > And this folks is what was brought in with all the warez hype....thanks. > > > > When all the publishers have moved on to PSX2 and X-Box - due to having > disk > > formats that are hard / impossible to make copies of on burners, and with > no > > possibility of downloading games for them, we'll have no one to blame but > > the folks with this attitude - and ourselves. > > > > -- > > Ken's Sig 3.01 > > > > "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - > > Obi-Wan Kenobi > > > > Go #43 and #44! > > > > volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com > > > > > > > > L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Say it with me.... > > > > > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > > > > > If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are > truly > > > truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. > > > > > > OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get > > hurt. > > > Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for > > > releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake in > on > > > the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, or > maybe > > > they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page AD > on > > > page 35. > > > > > > I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damn > long > > > (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either > (burned > > > way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online > > > community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price > > has > > > come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOW > > it > > > is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. > > > > > > Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us > > > around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they > are > > > loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accurately > calculate > > > how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buying > it > > > and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? OR > are > > > they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see > > that > > > as being accurate either because many people will download something > just > > > because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy > > > option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not > > > even thought about paying for it. > > > > > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > > > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense > shopping > > > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of > > pretty > > > picture drones). LET THE FUCKERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THE > BIG > > > ONE. > > > > > > OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you cried > > for > > > MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch > > > because that would open the playing field for the smaller and more > > inventive > > > guys.... > > > > > > But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? > > > GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our money > > anyway. > > > > > > -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA > does > > > not make a titles for the niches of the world. > > > > > > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed > > > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only > > > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one > > of > > > them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what got > > them > > > to the point they are at and need to be reminded. > > > > > > GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of > a > > > legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN? > > > > > > > > > > > >

>You mean a 20 year old film like Star Wars? or are you talking about the >most recent pile of crap Lucas spit out ... hmmmm, loved all those computer >effects...just seems he got too caught up in them and forgot to build any >characters or plot...zzzz. Watch it again. Really. I'm itching to do a major Literary Criticism piece on Episode 1, but then I have lots of experience in Medieval Lit and, in particular, epics. -Tim

"L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote > You mean a 20 year old film like Star Wars? It's an independant movie, out of the Hollywood structure completely. > or are you talking about the > most recent pile of crap Lucas spit out Even if I could argue with this for days, remember that it's an independant movie, also out of the Hollywood structure. > Like playing a bad racing game with pretty pictures, lots of smoke, bad > physics and unintelligent AI. You are near an official ymenard plonk. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm itching to do a major Literary Criticism piece on Episode 1, but > then I have lots of experience in Medieval Lit and, in particular, epics. Good! Finally somebody with sense, who can appreciate Episode 1 on the second and third level. You can catch me on r.a.s.s.m sometimes, there is some great stuff there. There was a good debate about the Force as a religion vs. scientology, and how things like Midi-Chlorians are essential to the saga. Or how Jar-Jar has roots from Shakespeare. There is flaws, I mean it's Star Wars not Citizen Kane, but overall it's lived up the hype for me and I'm one very big hardcore fan. This shouldn't be here, but anybody who dares to attack Star Wars is to be ignored as a "rebel scum". Ha ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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>And if you thought that quote was foolish - why did you post a followup? > >Think about it....it's what the post is about, NOT Star Wars.... > >-- >Ken's Sig 3.01 > >"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - >Obi-Wan Kenobi > >Go #43 and #44! > >volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com > > > >L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> This coming from someone who quotes Obi-Wan Kenobi - >> >> >> Ken Beard <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:6leB4.391$[email hidden]... >> > And this folks is what was brought in with all the warez

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>> > >> > When all the publishers have moved on to PSX2 and X-Box - due to having >> disk >> > formats that are hard / impossible to make copies of on burners, and >with >> no >> > possibility of downloading games for them, we'll have no one to blame >but >> > the folks with this attitude - and ourselves. >> > >> > -- >> > Ken's Sig 3.01 >> > >> > "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - >> > Obi-Wan Kenobi >> > >> > Go #43 and #44! >> > >> > volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com >> > >> > >> > >> > L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > > Say it with me.... >> > > >> > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... >> > > >> > > If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are >> truly >> > > truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. >> > > >> > > OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get >> > hurt. >> > > Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list >for >> > > releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake

in >> on >> > > the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, or >> maybe >> > > they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full pageAD

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>> on >> > > page 35. >> > > >> > > I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damn >> long >> > > (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either >> (burned >> > > way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the >online >> > > community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the >price >> > has >> > > come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL >KNOW >> > it >> > > is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. >> > > >> > > Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us >> > > around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money

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>> are >> > > loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accurately >> calculate >> > > how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is >buying >> it >> > > and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them?

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>> BIG >> > > ONE. >> > > >> > > OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you >cried >> > for >> > > MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" >notch >> > > because that would open the playing field for the smaller and more >> > inventive >> > > guys.... >> > > >> > > But what if they just take their money and put it into some other >genre? >> > > GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our money >> > anyway. >> > > >> > > -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA >> does >> > > not make a titles for the niches of the world. >> > > >> > > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful >rehashed >> > > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only >> > > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for >one >> > of >> > > them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what >got >> > them >> > > to the point they are at and need to be reminded. >> > > >> > > GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return >of >> a >> > > legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN? >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > >

While I realize that Episode 1 did not do nearly as good as Star Wars, I think too many people are looking at it from a one movie point of view. Alot of people who thought the movie sucked are not looking at it in a trilogy point of view, which is where it is designed. It was not made to be a one movie smash like Star Wars, it was made to fit into a story line that will lead into Episode 2 and 3. Episode 2 will not be a huge smash either, but Episode 3, now that is the movie I am looking forward to. I love Episode 1, you just have to appreciate it for what it was meant to be, and that is a leadin to the next two movies. ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Z1iB4.87920$[email hidden]... > "The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I'm itching to do a major Literary Criticism piece on Episode 1, but > > then I have lots of experience in Medieval Lit and, in particular,epics. > > Good! Finally somebody with sense, who can appreciate Episode 1 on the > second and third level. You can catch me on r.a.s.s.m sometimes, thereis > some great stuff there. There was a good debate about the Force as a > religion vs. scientology, and how things like Midi-Chlorians are essential > to the saga. Or how Jar-Jar has roots from Shakespeare. There is flaws,I > mean it's Star Wars not Citizen Kane, but overall it's lived up the hypefor

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> me and I'm one very big hardcore fan. > > This shouldn't be here, but anybody who dares to attack Star Wars is to be > ignored as a "rebel scum". Ha ;) > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

First, I think you have alot of built up anger that needs to be resolved. Learn how to love yourself and then one day you may learn to love the world. As for your post about Papy, CTS is going to be released as its own addon. You do not have to buy the 3in1 package. It will probably be released for about $20. Oh and about how do they know how much money they are loosing. Well look at this stat. Did you know that Deer Hunter was the best selling game out on the market, it beat Quake2. Hmmm.. I would venture to bet that ALOT more people played Quake 2 than Deer Hunter. So why did a game like Deer Hunter outsell Quake 2? Because of the people that were pirating the game. What kind of people play Quake 2? Kids, teenagers mostly, the biggest group involved in pirating software. What kind of people play Deer Hunter? Well, not people that I would put into the pirating group. L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Say it with me.... > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are truly > truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. > > OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get

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> Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for > releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake in on > the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, or maybe > they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page AD on > page 35. > > I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damn long > (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either (burned > way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online > community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price

has > come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOWit

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> is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. > > Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us > around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they are > loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accurately calculate > how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buying it > and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? OR are > they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see

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> as being accurate either because many people will download something just > because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy > option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not > even thought about paying for it. > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense shopping > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of

pretty > picture drones). LET THE FUCKERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THE BIG > ONE. > > OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you criedfor > MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch > because that would open the playing field for the smaller and moreinventive > guys.... > > But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? > GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our moneyanyway.

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> > -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA does > not make a titles for the niches of the world. > > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one

of > them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what gotthem > to the point they are at and need to be reminded. > > GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of a > legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN? > >

Indeed, only people with brains play Deer Hunter... ;) I read that Deer hunter was sold in supermarkets etc for a low price. Here in holland we have the same thing, a company called Davilex made the worst racing game ever, A2 racer, and went immediately to the number one position in the software charts. They also were selling this game in every thinkable store for a low price. Wifes see the game while they buy their groceries, and think 'hey look, it's one of those computer thingies, and this is much cheeper than the games my husband allways buys! He'll love this!' Andre On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:11:47 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> > Because of the people that were pirating the game. What >kind of people play Quake 2? Kids, teenagers mostly, the biggest group >involved in pirating software. What kind of people play Deer Hunter? Well, >not people that I would put into the pirating group. >

May I just ask: If you are not buying the product because you feel it is not up to your standards then why would you download it an play it. Its the same game with 100's more bugs and niggly bits to put up with. Make some sense! L_NiN0 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Say it with me.... > > LONG LIVE WAREZ! TO HELL WITH PUBLISHERS..... > > If you can find a game online - DOWNLOAD IT - play it and unless are truly > truly satisfied (aka GPL) don't spend money on it. > > OH, no Bluto...don't download that warez software - someone might get

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> Well, GOOD!...because a few publisher need to be put on the hit list for > releasing poor titles with a lot of hype and no demo hoping to rake in on > the drones that shop by the pretty pictures on the box alone. Oh, or maybe > they go by the game mag review on page 32...followed by a full page AD on > page 35. > > I personally do not download warez anymore because it takes too damn long > (analog line) - however, I do not buy just released titles either (burned > way too much). A game will have to pass the test of time from the online > community before I purchase it. This is often a bonus because the price

has > come down....my machine will more likely run it smoother and I WILL KNOWit

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> is a good game by the way the online community still talks about it. > > Well, I for one am sick and tired of the game publishers pushing us > around...then they have the NERVE to complain about all the money they are > loosing to piracy? Well, first off - tell me how you accurately calculate > how much money was lost to pirated software? IF they know who is buying it > and how much they are spending on it then why don't they stop them? OR are > they counting everyone the downloads a title like F1-2000? I don't see

that

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> as being accurate either because many people will download something just > because it is there and they can - when in fact, if not given a piracy > option, those same people would have easily done without a title and not > even thought about paying for it. > > I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense shopping > (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of

pretty > picture drones). LET THE FUCKERS GO UNDER -- SELL THE FARM -- BITE THE BIG > ONE. > > OH, but who will make our great SIMS then....Well, how many of you criedfor > MICROSOFT? Most of you were glad to see them taken down a "psuedo" notch > because that would open the playing field for the smaller and moreinventive > guys.... > > But what if they just take their money and put it into some other genre? > GOOD LET THEM because they are just wasting their time and our moneyanyway.

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> > -F1 2000 is EASports hyped bullshit built for EVERYMAN...COME ON - EA does > not make a titles for the niches of the world. > > -PAPYRUS - what have you done for me lately? sold me two awful rehashed > version of N2 with better graphics? Then sell an add on pack but only > include it in a boxed set of all three for the same price I paid for one

of > them? OH, but they gave us GPL...SO FUCKING WHAT - They forgot what gotthem > to the point they are at and need to be reminded. > > GP3....a glimmer of hope shines in the far off distance...the return of a > legend...or just another reunion tour to CASH IN? > >

My point was, they sold more copies of Deer Hunter than Q2, but more people play Q2 than Deer Hunter. Actually, back before Q3 and UT came out, you could probably go online and count how many people were playing Q2 at one time and that was probably more than the number of copies that Deer Hunter even sold. That is bad considering Q2 sold even less. I think at one time I read a article where they estimated that over 80% of the Q2 copies out there were pirated. Now how can people say that pirating does not hurt the game market? Q2 was a great game, they deserved the money for the sales and if that many people are playing it then it must have been good enough to buy. So why didn't they? Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Indeed, only people with brains play Deer Hunter... ;) > I read that Deer hunter was sold in supermarkets etc for a low price. > Here in holland we have the same thing, a company called Davilex made > the worst racing game ever, A2 racer, and went immediately to the > number one position in the software charts. They also were selling > this game in every thinkable store for a low price. > Wifes see the game while they buy their groceries, and think 'hey > look, it's one of those computer thingies, and this is much cheeper > than the games my husband allways buys! He'll love this!' > > Andre > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:11:47 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > <snip> > > > Because of the people that were pirating the game. What > >kind of people play Quake 2? Kids, teenagers mostly, the biggest group > >involved in pirating software. What kind of people play Deer Hunter?

Well, > >not people that I would put into the pirating group. > > >

ymenard wrote: > > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote > > LONG LIVE INDEPENDENT FILM > > You mean... independant film like.. Star Wars? Oh come on....who'd pay for Titanic anyway ? I mean, we all know how it end, don't we ? Now, Star Wars was pretty good actually....although I thought Vader was Chewie's father... Yeah...think about it...if someone would cover his head with an ugly helmet...I mean, what the heck would he look like underneath ? hmmm.... Bart

"Bart-W. van Lith" <[email hidden]> wrote > Oh come on....who'd pay for Titanic anyway ? Paramount and a little from 20th Century fox. Episode 1 was fully paid by Lucas itself (the whole 125million !!<g>), so it's an independant film without any control at all by Hollywood. Which is why is was brown-nosed a little at the Oscar (probably diserved 2-3 more nomination such as Makeup, Art Direction and Costume Design). And probably for Original score, and I could debate on that alot since I personally feel Rachel Portman only had her nomination because JW had Angela's Ashes in the 5nominees. > I mean, we all know how it > end, don't we ? Yep, "Titanic II: The Search for More Money" LOL ok sorry... got out of the subject here (SpaceBalls reference) ;) > Now, Star Wars was pretty good actually....although I thought Vader was > Chewie's father... "No Chewie... _I_ am your father" - Darth Vader "Grrrooooowwwwlll!" - Chewbacca > Yeah...think about it...if someone would cover his head with an ugly > helmet...I mean, what the heck would he look like underneath ? I suggest you watch the last 15minutes of "Return of the Jedi" ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

DARTH MAUL RULES!!!!! "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s7BB4.90314$[email hidden]... > "Bart-W. van Lith" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Oh come on....who'd pay for Titanic anyway ? > > Paramount and a little from 20th Century fox. Episode 1 was fully paid by > Lucas itself (the whole 125million !!<g>), so it's an independant film > without any control at all by Hollywood. Which is why is was brown-noseda

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> little at the Oscar (probably diserved 2-3 more nomination such as Makeup, > Art Direction and Costume Design). And probably for Original score, and I > could debate on that alot since I personally feel Rachel Portman only had > her nomination because JW had Angela's Ashes in the 5nominees. > > > > I mean, we all know how it > > end, don't we ? > > Yep, "Titanic II: The Search for More Money" LOL ok sorry... got out of

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> subject here (SpaceBalls reference) ;) > > > > > Now, Star Wars was pretty good actually....although I thought Vader was > > Chewie's father... > > "No Chewie... _I_ am your father" - Darth Vader > > "Grrrooooowwwwlll!" - Chewbacca > > > > Yeah...think about it...if someone would cover his head with an ugly > > helmet...I mean, what the heck would he look like underneath ? > > I suggest you watch the last 15minutes of "Return of the Jedi" ;-) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > >

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> My point was, they sold more copies of Deer Hunter than Q2, but more people > play Q2 than Deer Hunter. > > Actually, back before Q3 and UT came out, you could probably go online and > count how many people were playing Q2 at one time and that was probably more > than the number of copies that Deer Hunter even sold. That is bad > considering Q2 sold even less.

I have heard the same being said about GPL. "People who knew what they were talking about said that GPL sold 30.000 copies, yet 250.000 race it on the internet each weekend." What I would like to know is where all those people are. -- [asbjxrn] [lLd25z*%ds1-100/sLlSdI%ds2-O/sSl1l2*PlL0<l]sl 21172310731916131628237117 3237142523312SSSLllxq

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad) writes: >I have heard the same being said about GPL. "People who knew what they >were talking about said that GPL sold 30.000 copies, yet 250.000 race >it on the internet each weekend." > >What I would like to know is where all those people are. 250,000 each weekend? Yeah, I'd like to know where they are, too. I think the most I've seen on VROC is about 100... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <fSdB4.602$[email hidden]>, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it >> counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common sense shopping >> (which in all likelihood will never happen because of the millions of >pretty >> picture drones). LET THE F.... >> >Yeh great idea - publishers see profits drop - rationalise their product >range - no more niche products. > >Now on the other hand if the publishers flourish and millions more buy boxes >with pretty pictures then maybe they can withstand the luxury of letting >developers produce some flagship products which make relatively little money >but offer some prestige. > >What future for Papyrus if Sierra feel the squeeze? > >Tony > >

Wait - are you saying you WANT people to keep buying the games (which may or may not be worth it) sight unseen? That would just turn more people away from being legit if they get burned by a bad title... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That is what demos and reviews are for. You will always have available to you at least one of those if not both. You can also talk to others who have bought the game. There is no reason that you need to buy a game the day it comes out unless you are confident that you will want it. Wait for reviews and/or a demo. Usually there will be tons of sites doing revies on the games. Read their other reviews on games that you know you liked or disliked and see how they reviewed them. You can tell by that if they think along the same lines as you do and you will be able to find a site that you can trust. EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <fSdB4.602$[email hidden]>, "Tony Rickard" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> I for one would like to see these big names REALLY take a hit (where it > >> counts - the WALLET) be it from WAREZ or just plain common senseshopping

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boxes > >with pretty pictures then maybe they can withstand the luxury of letting > >developers produce some flagship products which make relatively littlemoney

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you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>That is what demos and reviews are for. > >You will always have available to you at least one of those if not both. > >You can also talk to others who have bought the game. > >There is no reason that you need to buy a game the day it comes out unless >you are confident that you will want it. Wait for reviews and/or a demo. >Usually there will be tons of sites doing revies on the games. Read their >other reviews on games that you know you liked or disliked and see how they >reviewed them. You can tell by that if they think along the same lines as >you do and you will be able to find a site that you can trust. >

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning warez. I have no intention of downloading any. But I can understand people wanting to try the game first. There still isn't a demo yet, right? And, demos don't always give you correct info(see:Toca2). As far as listening to other peoples' opinion, look at the current arguments. Some people love F1 2000 with a passion, some hate it with that same passion... Some liked GPL but hated SCGT. I like them both, so I couldn't have used their opinion on SCGT. I've bought games simply on the reputation of the company. SSI wargames and Papy racing sims come to mind. I bought GPL the first time I saw it in the store. Although my system met the minimum requirements, I couldn't run it well enough to enjoy it. It sat on my shelf for a couple of months until I could afford to upgrade my system. If you can find a store that offers return with no questions, then I'd go along with that. Someone mentioned that there's an EB in a mall near me, so I'll try that. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.