Re: GPL and Gilde wrappers

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> > Hi, > > I played GPL since it came out a looonnng time ago and since then no > other sims even came close to this amazing game. I believe that we'll > still be playing GPL at this time of year in 2001 and who knows, maybe > even 2002. Well, I'm not sure that by then my videocard of choice will > be a 3DFX one. GPL is the only glide game that I still play but I > don't want to plan a future video card upgrade just for it. My next > card may be a Voodoo, but it may also be a Nvidia, Matrox or ATI. I > just don't know. So the question is: is there a glide wrapper that > works well with GPL, or is there one in the works that plan on giving > support for this game? I know that there is support for nvidia cards > through opengl but I heard that it was far from perfect and I don't > want to play my perfect sim with unprefect drivers. > > thanks > Alain

My suggestion would be to get a Voodoo3 PCI card by that time or a Voodoo2. With the next generation of cards, these should be really cheap by then. They can in principle run alongside the other card of choice, and for GPL both of the Voodoos should do the job.

Then, if I were you, I'd make damn sure Matrox has a solid OpenGL driver. [email hidden] wrote:

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> > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:14:02 GMT, [email hidden] (Don > Scurlock) wrote: > > >There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. > >I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with the > >registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with gpl. > >Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons between > >Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia card > >actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the Voodoos use. > >It's questionable whether there is any advantage to using a Voodoo over > >a Nvidia for gpl at this date. > > > And what if my next card is a Matrox?

Creative has done a "Glide wrapper" for their Nvidia cards. I have no idea how it works(and i checked a bit on their site with no luck). regards Fredrik <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > I played GPL since it came out a looonnng time ago and since then no > other sims even came close to this amazing game. I believe that we'll > still be playing GPL at this time of year in 2001 and who knows, maybe > even 2002. Well, I'm not sure that by then my videocard of choice will > be a 3DFX one. GPL is the only glide game that I still play but I > don't want to plan a future video card upgrade just for it. My next > card may be a Voodoo, but it may also be a Nvidia, Matrox or ATI. I > just don't know. So the question is: is there a glide wrapper that > works well with GPL, or is there one in the works that plan on giving > support for this game? I know that there is support for nvidia cards > through opengl but I heard that it was far from perfect and I don't > want to play my perfect sim with unprefect drivers. > > thanks > Alain

I tried it out (you have to sign up to get it) and it did not work. I got the title screen and then ... black. GPL does have an OpenGL patch which works well for most people. Fredrik Svensson wrote:

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> > Creative has done a "Glide wrapper" for their Nvidia cards. I have no idea > how it works(and i checked a bit on their site with no luck). > regards > Fredrik > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > I played GPL since it came out a looonnng time ago and since then no > > other sims even came close to this amazing game. I believe that we'll > > still be playing GPL at this time of year in 2001 and who knows, maybe > > even 2002. Well, I'm not sure that by then my videocard of choice will > > be a 3DFX one. GPL is the only glide game that I still play but I > > don't want to plan a future video card upgrade just for it. My next > > card may be a Voodoo, but it may also be a Nvidia, Matrox or ATI. I > > just don't know. So the question is: is there a glide wrapper that > > works well with GPL, or is there one in the works that plan on giving > > support for this game? I know that there is support for nvidia cards > > through opengl but I heard that it was far from perfect and I don't > > want to play my perfect sim with unprefect drivers. > > > > thanks > > Alain

There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with the registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with gpl. Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons between Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia card actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the Voodoos use. It's questionable whether there is any advantage to using a Voodoo over a Nvidia for gpl at this date. [email hidden] wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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>Hi, > > I played GPL since it came out a looonnng time ago and since then no >other sims even came close to this amazing game. I believe that we'll >still be playing GPL at this time of year in 2001 and who knows, maybe >even 2002. Well, I'm not sure that by then my videocard of choice will >be a 3DFX one. GPL is the only glide game that I still play but I >don't want to plan a future video card upgrade just for it. My next >card may be a Voodoo, but it may also be a Nvidia, Matrox or ATI. I >just don't know. So the question is: is there a glide wrapper that >works well with GPL, or is there one in the works that plan on giving >support for this game? I know that there is support for nvidia cards >through opengl but I heard that it was far from perfect and I don't >want to play my perfect sim with unprefect drivers. > >thanks >Alain

-- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

Couldn't say. My experience is only up to TNT2.

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>>There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. >>I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with >>the registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with >>gpl. Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons >>between Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia >>card actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the >>Voodoos use. It's questionable whether there is any advantage to >>using a Voodoo over a Nvidia for gpl at this date. >And what if my next card is a Matrox?

-- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

Hi Don! Hmmm....interesting. I have a V2 and my father has a TNT and I think it looks much better on my V2. I tried all the filtering stuff in core.ini but none of them made it look as good as on my V2. Might be that I'm missing something out but if not there is no question on which path I'll take in the future, the Glide path! I guess a V3 or Vx (x>=4) will make it even more beautiful. Anyone else have an opinion on this? Let's hear em'! /Roger Don Scurlock wrote:

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> There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. > I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with the > registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with gpl. > Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons between > Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia card > actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the Voodoos use. > It's questionable whether there is any advantage to using a Voodoo over > a Nvidia for gpl at this date. >

I'm not talking from my own experience. Someone did a online review of Voodoo versus Nvidia using GPL, with a number of side by side screen shots. The Voodoo shots looked, and were described, as if you were looking through a very fine mesh, slightly hazy, due to there particular filtering method. No big deal. Sorry I can't find the url. Both cards are excellent, and for sure you have to jump through a few hoops to get the TNT working properly with gpl. [email hidden] (Roger Andersson) wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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>Hi Don! > >Hmmm....interesting. I have a V2 and my father has a TNT and I think >it looks much better on my V2. I tried all the filtering stuff in >core.ini but >none of them made it look as good as on my V2. Might be that I'm >missing something out but if not there is no question on which path >I'll take in the future, the Glide path! I guess a V3 or Vx (x>=4) >will make it even more beautiful. Anyone else have an opinion on >this? Let's hear em'! > >/Roger > > >Don Scurlock wrote: > >> There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. >> I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with >> the registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with >> gpl. Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons >> between Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia >> card actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the >> Voodoos use. It's questionable whether there is any advantage to >> using a Voodoo over a Nvidia for gpl at this date. >> > >

-- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

Couldn't say. My experience is only up to TNT2. [email hidden] wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:14:02 GMT, [email hidden] (Don >Scurlock) wrote: > >>There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. >>I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with >>the registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with >>gpl. Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons >>between Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia >>card actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the >>Voodoos use. It's questionable whether there is any advantage to >>using a Voodoo over a Nvidia for gpl at this date. >> >And what if my next card is a Matrox?

-- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

Hi Don! Hehe...I think I came across the site you are talking about yesterday. Unfortunately I wasn't surfing from my own computer so it's a bit hard to get a hold the url. But I still stand by my opinion. /Roger Don Scurlock wrote:

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> I'm not talking from my own experience. Someone did a online review > of Voodoo versus Nvidia using GPL, with a number of side by side > screen shots. The Voodoo shots looked, and were described, as if you > were looking through a very fine mesh, slightly hazy, due to there > particular filtering method. No big deal. Sorry I can't find the url. > Both cards are excellent, and for sure you have to jump through a few > hoops to get the TNT working properly with gpl. >

I have tried the opengl version on the MAtrox G400 MAx. It looks nice, but has the same problem as the Nvidia cards - the mirrors don't work very well. It also some seams in the sky, which I can ignore easily enough :) you must use a particular filtering (the one suggested in the readme from the opengl beta from papy), and I suggest you turn off as much detail in the mirrors as you can stand. but the voodoo2 still seems smoother, which is the aim I guess, so I still use that. the image quality difference isn't big enough for me to really notice. Brian On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:02:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Don Scurlock) wrote:

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>Couldn't say. My experience is only up to TNT2. > >[email hidden] wrote in ><[email hidden]>: > >>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:14:02 GMT, [email hidden] (Don >>Scurlock) wrote: >> >>>There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. >>>I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with >>>the registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with >>>gpl. Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons >>>between Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia >>>card actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the >>>Voodoos use. It's questionable whether there is any advantage to >>>using a Voodoo over a Nvidia for gpl at this date. >>> >>And what if my next card is a Matrox? > > >-- >Don Scurlock >Vancouver,B.C.

I actually have the TNT2 and now also have a Voodoo 2 card installed as well (thanks Stuart Mann...). Haven't had much time to test them out properly but I can tell you that the framerates at the start increased by about 6fps by using the V2 as opposed to the TNT2 with 19 opponents. Once a race was in progress I don't think there was that much difference though. The V2 appeared to have slightly brighter colours although the TNT2 was improved quite a bit by using the 3.68 Detonator Drivers from Nvidia's site. Peter Hooper Brian Bushe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have tried the opengl version on the MAtrox G400 MAx. It looks nice, > but has the same problem as the Nvidia cards - the mirrors don't work > very well. It also some seams in the sky, which I can ignore easily > enough :) > > you must use a particular filtering (the one suggested in the readme > from the opengl beta from papy), and I suggest you turn off as much > detail in the mirrors as you can stand. > > but the voodoo2 still seems smoother, which is the aim I guess, so I > still use that. the image quality difference isn't big enough for me > to really notice. > > Brian > > > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:02:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Don > Scurlock) wrote: > > >Couldn't say. My experience is only up to TNT2. > > > >[email hidden] wrote in > ><[email hidden]>: > > > >>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:14:02 GMT, [email hidden] (Don > >>Scurlock) wrote: > >> > >>>There is no need for any of the generic glide wrappers. > >>>I'm using a TNT2 with the Papy OpenGL Beta2 patch, and along with > >>>the registry fix for the mirrors the card now works very well with > >>>gpl. Comments I've read from people that have done comparisons > >>>between Voodoo and Nvidia cards with gpl have said that the Nvidia > >>>card actually looked a bit better due to the filtering that the > >>>Voodoos use. It's questionable whether there is any advantage to > >>>using a Voodoo over a Nvidia for gpl at this date. > >>> > >>And what if my next card is a Matrox? > > > > > >-- > >Don Scurlock > >Vancouver,B.C. >

Is it possible to have a 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 installed alongside a D3D card like Graphics Blaster Riva TNT2 Ultra Gamer or Graphics Blaster GeForce 256 Annihilator Pro? BR Thomas Soerensen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

In theory it should work, but you would need two monitors, or does someone make a pass thru cable for this sort-of thing? (how would it work?) Myself I have a TNT2 AGP and a Voodoo2. SLG Thomas Soerensen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Is it possible to have a 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 installed alongside >a D3D card like Graphics Blaster Riva TNT2 Ultra Gamer or >Graphics Blaster GeForce 256 Annihilator Pro? > >BR Thomas Soerensen > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! >

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