Re: Alexandre Tagliani is a simracer too

During the 500cc GP race on Sunday, one of the announcers mentioned that Kenny Roberts Jr. had learned the European circuits on a simulation. I don't recall them saying which sim he had used. -- don "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... everything else is driver-error." "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies this year > Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about his simracing: <snip>

On 21 Mar 2000 22:13:56 +0100, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark Blundell. >Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional >openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able >to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. > >Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) Maybe you should ctart a new thread with that title .. <running and ducking> :) -- * rrev at mindspring dot com * unit.26 - s.p.u.t.u.m. * http://www.cabal.net

If people on this newsgroup start saying that CPR was a great sim because real drivers think so (what would they know?), my head will explode. David G Fisher

From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies this year Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about his simracing: >He plays the racing simulations Gran Turismo 2 and Precision Simulation >with a Microsoft steering wheel with feedback. In fact he was playing when >he talked to us. He says the simulations are realistic in terms of how the >car performs, but "you don't have the feeling under your butt" of what the >car is doing. You can't feel what's going on as much as see it. I take Precision Simulation is supposed to be CART Precision Racing. Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark Blundell. Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) CART should pay Papy to make a GPL-engined CART sim so their drivers could practice more (read Shig :) Didn't Juan Montoya also use C:PR to learn the tracks ? The problem is probably that it is the best CART sim out, but far from good enough. Disclaimer: I had some great moments with C:PR after the release, but I stopped playing it after the release of GPL. After I bought my MSFF wheel i wasn't able to drive C:PR at all, couldn't get the car to go where I wanted to :( -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

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> On 21 Mar 2000 22:13:56 +0100, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: > > >Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark Blundell. > >Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional > >openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able > >to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. > > > >Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) > > Maybe you should ctart a new thread with that title ..

That would be fun. :D > > <running and ducking> > > :) Yeah, those smileys is easy to overlook and misunderstand. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

If people on this newsgroup start saying that CPR was a great sim because real drivers think so (what would they know?), my head will explode. David G Fisher "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies this year > Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about hissimracing: > > >He plays the racing simulations Gran Turismo 2 and Precision Simulation > >with a Microsoft steering wheel with feedback. In fact he was playingwhen > >he talked to us. He says the simulations are realistic in terms of howthe > >car performs, but "you don't have the feeling under your butt" of whatthe

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> >car is doing. You can't feel what's going on as much as see it. > > I take Precision Simulation is supposed to be CART Precision Racing. > > Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark Blundell. > Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional > openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able > to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. > > Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) > > CART should pay Papy to make a GPL-engined CART sim so their drivers could > practice more (read Shig :) > > Didn't Juan Montoya also use C:PR to learn the tracks ? The problem is > probably that it is the best CART sim out, but far from good enough. > > Disclaimer: I had some great moments with C:PR after the release, but I > stopped playing it after the release of GPL. After I bought my MSFF wheel > i wasn't able to drive C:PR at all, couldn't get the car to go where I

wanted > to :( > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying >

this is funny since you would actaully think a real driver would be the ultimate judge of whether some game was a sim or not since they have been in the real thing. And No I am not saying since someone ran Formula Ford, or GT cars or even Solo ll they would be able to say any better then a real pro driver whether a game is a sim or not. I just find it funny myself. Rofl. Dave David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in article <1GSB4.8102$[email hidden]>...

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> If people on this newsgroup start saying that CPR was a great sim because > real drivers think so (what would they know?), my head will explode. > > David G Fisher > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies this

year > > Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about his > simracing: > > > > >He plays the racing simulations Gran Turismo 2 and PrecisionSimulation

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> > >with a Microsoft steering wheel with feedback. In fact he was playing > when > > >he talked to us. He says the simulations are realistic in terms of how > the > > >car performs, but "you don't have the feeling under your butt" of what > the > > >car is doing. You can't feel what's going on as much as see it. > > > > I take Precision Simulation is supposed to be CART Precision Racing. > > > > Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark

Blundell. > > Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional > > openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they areable > > to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. > > > > Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) > > > > CART should pay Papy to make a GPL-engined CART sim so their driverscould

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> > practice more (read Shig :) > > > > Didn't Juan Montoya also use C:PR to learn the tracks ? The problem is > > probably that it is the best CART sim out, but far from good enough. > > > > Disclaimer: I had some great moments with C:PR after the release, but I > > stopped playing it after the release of GPL. After I bought my MSFF

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> > i wasn't able to drive C:PR at all, couldn't get the car to go where I > wanted > > to :( > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove spam when replying > > > >

"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote > From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies this year > Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about hissimracing: The Players team love GPL also, look at one of my previous post here from yesterday. C:PR was an under-estimate hotlapper, still... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark Blundell.Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. Or maybe it's real racing that's arcade, and only the computer stuff (when well-implemented) that's "real." (!) --DK

"CPR was a great sim because real drivers think so " "CPR was a great sim because real drivers think so " C'mon head! (joke) --DK "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1GSB4.8102$[email hidden]... > If people on this newsgroup start saying that CPR was a great sim because > real drivers think so (what would they know?), my head will explode. > > David G Fisher >

Olav K. Malmin wrote in message... > From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies this year > Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about hissimracing:

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> <snip> > I take Precision Simulation is supposed to be CART Precision Racing. > > Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark Blundell. > Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional > openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able > to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable.

As I did not frequent RAS at the time I don't know which critisisms were leveled at it here. I have always found C:PR both challenging and enjoyable from a driving point of view. My PC didn't have the *ooomph* to run it properly at the time and I had no FF-wheel, but other than the poor framerate and the terrible AI I had no bones with it. I have it on my "to be revisited"-list. > Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) If you're willing to exploit the approximations in the model and set up your car specifically for the purpose, an arcade driving style can be very successfull in GPL. So in a way it is. (I'm bullet proof <g>) > CART should pay Papy to make a GPL-engined CART sim so their drivers could > practice more (read Shig :) I'd be very happy for anyone to have a decent swing at it. As long as they attempted a true sim. > Didn't Juan Montoya also use C:PR to learn the tracks ? The problem is > probably that it is the best CART sim out, but far from good enough. Topographical accuracy of the tracks is supposed to be good. So you can use it for a virtual track walk and have a feel of you might want to be doing when you drive it in the real car. I do remember reading something to that effect, yes. > Disclaimer: I had some great moments with C:PR after the release, but I > stopped playing it after the release of GPL. After I bought my MSFF wheel > i wasn't able to drive C:PR at all, couldn't get the car to go where Iwanted > to :( C:PR did have those illusive moment of strong satisfaction when you nailed a turn absolutely spot on. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> Olav K. Malmin wrote in message... > > From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies this year > > Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about his > simracing: > > <snip> > > I take Precision Simulation is supposed to be CART Precision Racing. > > > > Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says Mark Blundell. > > Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional > > openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able > > to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. > > As I did not frequent RAS at the time I don't know which critisisms were > leveled at it here. I have always found C:PR both challenging and enjoyable > from a driving point of view. My PC didn't have the *ooomph* to run it > properly at the time and I had no FF-wheel, but other than the poor > framerate and the terrible AI I had no bones with it. I have it on my "to be > revisited"-list. > > > Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) > > If you're willing to exploit the approximations in the model and set up your > car specifically for the purpose, an arcade driving style can be very > successfull in GPL. So in a way it is. (I'm bullet proof <g>)

I really hope eveyone to notice that little smiley after my statemnt. Btw, i'm much better in GPL than in any arcade game, since I brake and lift :)

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> > > CART should pay Papy to make a GPL-engined CART sim so their drivers could > > practice more (read Shig :) > > I'd be very happy for anyone to have a decent swing at it. As long as they > attempted a true sim. > > > Didn't Juan Montoya also use C:PR to learn the tracks ? The problem is > > probably that it is the best CART sim out, but far from good enough. > > Topographical accuracy of the tracks is supposed to be good. So you can use > it for a virtual track walk and have a feel of you might want to be doing > when you drive it in the real car. I do remember reading something to that > effect, yes.

Except Cleveland with it's funny front streck chicanery :)

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> > Disclaimer: I had some great moments with C:PR after the release, but I > > stopped playing it after the release of GPL. After I bought my MSFF wheel > > i wasn't able to drive C:PR at all, couldn't get the car to go where I > wanted > > to :( > > C:PR did have those illusive moment of strong satisfaction when you nailed a > turn absolutely spot on.

Yeah, hitting the turn right at road america was great. I did it a lot with the joystick, but i'm a mess with the wheel. Another disclaimer : My original post was not intended as any pro this or that sim, I was just a bit baffled by Taglianis statements and wanted to share them. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

"CPR was a great sim because real drivers think so " Will this become the longest thread ever on RAS? :) Andre On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:27:51 -0600, "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"CPR was a great sim because >real drivers think so " > >"CPR was a great sim because >real drivers think so " > >C'mon head! > >(joke) > >--DK > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:1GSB4.8102$[email hidden]... >> If people on this newsgroup start saying that CPR was a great sim because >> real drivers think so (what would they know?), my head will explode. >> >> David G Fisher >> > > >

My thoughts exactly, Jan...which I have already stated many times here since CART:PR was released. Marc. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w7UB4.10103$[email hidden]... > Olav K. Malmin wrote in message... > > From an article on www.seventgear.com about the champcar-rookies thisyear > > Alexandre Tagliani from the Players-Forsythe Team told about his > simracing: > > <snip> > > I take Precision Simulation is supposed to be CART Precision Racing. > > > > Astounding that he think that sim is realistic, but so says MarkBlundell. > > Are we simracers nuts, or is the answer that since the professional > > openwheeldrivers are so enormously better than most of us, they are able > > to get some sense out of the sims we feel undrivable. > > As I did not frequent RAS at the time I don't know which critisisms were > leveled at it here. I have always found C:PR both challenging andenjoyable > from a driving point of view. My PC didn't have the *ooomph* to run it > properly at the time and I had no FF-wheel, but other than the poor > framerate and the terrible AI I had no bones with it. I have it on my "tobe > revisited"-list. > > > Will this mean GPL is arcade ? :) > > If you're willing to exploit the approximations in the model and set upyour > car specifically for the purpose, an arcade driving style can be very > successfull in GPL. So in a way it is. (I'm bullet proof <g>) > > > CART should pay Papy to make a GPL-engined CART sim so their driverscould

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> > practice more (read Shig :) > > I'd be very happy for anyone to have a decent swing at it. As long as they > attempted a true sim. > > > Didn't Juan Montoya also use C:PR to learn the tracks ? The problem is > > probably that it is the best CART sim out, but far from good enough. > > Topographical accuracy of the tracks is supposed to be good. So you can

use > it for a virtual track walk and have a feel of you might want to be doing > when you drive it in the real car. I do remember reading something to that > effect, yes. > > > Disclaimer: I had some great moments with C:PR after the release, but I > > stopped playing it after the release of GPL. After I bought my MSFFwheel > > i wasn't able to drive C:PR at all, couldn't get the car to go where I > wanted > > to :( > > C:PR did have those illusive moment of strong satisfaction when you naileda > turn absolutely spot on. > > Jan. > =--- > >