<slightly OT> LWFF - Anybody else with bent motor-spindle?

Hi all, Just trying ro figure out, how many of the Logis have the bent motor-spindle (comes from careless assembly in the factory). Test as following: plug of the power. turn the wheel - If you feel ANY notches, your motor-spindle is bent. For investigation (and some tough particular mails to Logitech support) check out the origin of your wheel (sticker beneath the wheel-unit) I approached Logitech support and they only mailed bach the standard-blabla. I mailed again and didn't get an answer at all. IMO they have to improve their support immediately. In this circumstances congratulation to ACTlabs and thanks to Raymond, that's how it should be. Jens --------------------------------------------- [email hidden] Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ Racing simulation, esp. GPL Logitech Wingman FF optimization Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor Radio controlled airplanes

JS wrote: > Just trying ro figure out, how many of the Logis have the bent motor-spindle > (comes from careless assembly in the factory). I returned my first LWFF for a refund because it was notchy, and now I have a second unit from a different supplier (trying to avoid getting another from the same batch). The new one is also notchy, but not quite as bad as the first. However it has more play, and feels really sloppy and poorly constructed. Both were made in China. I'm not happy, I think I will return it and get the Force RS. I reported the first problem to Logitech tech support, and eventually they responded saying it might be defective and I should return it. Perhaps they are waking up to the problem? BTW, I can't find a setting for the core.ini parameters that I'm happy with. I tried Slot's suggestion, but this just amplifies effects like grass and kerbs to a ridiculous extent while almost eliminating the feel of the tyres on the track. So I am back to a setting similar to Alison's, but the problem now is that when the steering loads up at speed the "stiction" from the notchiness makes small corrections impossible. Anton -- Antony Bowers, Department of Computer Science, University of Bristol, UK. http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~bowers/

Mine is very likely to be bent. It notches 'nicely'. Although I have to admit it is not that bad because it does not really make the wheel worse than it already was. But definitely bent and made in China. It's actually a replacement of my first wheel that had too much play. scrcs (p.s. I posted my opinion in the LW-bulletin board, but its was gone the day after I posted it)

They all have a little notchiness dont they. Are you saying that if it isnt perfectly smooth that the spindle is bent? My main prob with the wheel is with damping forces. If the damping is high you can feel the motor running in the wheel . If we had the ability to adjust deadband setting though it could be fixed! Ronnie Bigwhip Proud Member of Precision Racing Team JS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > Just trying ro figure out, how many of the Logis have the bent motor-spindle > (comes from careless assembly in the factory). > > Test as following: > plug of the power. > turn the wheel - If you feel ANY notches, your motor-spindle is bent. > > For investigation (and some tough particular mails to Logitech support) check > out the origin of your wheel (sticker beneath the wheel-unit) > > I approached Logitech support and they only mailed bach the standard-blabla. I > mailed again and didn't get an answer at all. IMO they have to improve their > support immediately. > > In this circumstances congratulation to ACTlabs and thanks to Raymond, that's > how it should be. > > Jens > > --------------------------------------------- > [email hidden] > Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address > > JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ > Racing simulation, esp. GPL > Logitech Wingman FF optimization > Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor > Radio controlled airplanes

Antony, have you tried setting torque to about 300 and damping to around 600? These are in the parameters of the GPL text1.1 file and I've also recommended giving them a try several times. The settings I use give me good road feel on the Ferrari and Force RS, but these motors are more powerful than the Logi's motor. I've also found that turning damping up in the controller panel adds stiffness to the wheel for those who like it and hardly interferes with subtle road feel. Just a thought. Doesn't cost any thing to try it ;) Slot Antony Bowers <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > JS wrote: > > Just trying ro figure out, how many of the Logis have the bentmotor-spindle > > (comes from careless assembly in the factory). > > I returned my first LWFF for a refund because it was notchy, and now Ihave > a second unit from a different supplier (trying to avoid getting anotherfrom > the same batch). > > The new one is also notchy, but not quite as bad as the first. However ithas > more play, and feels really sloppy and poorly constructed. Both were madein China. > I'm not happy, I think I will return it and get the Force RS. > > I reported the first problem to Logitech tech support, and eventually they > responded saying it might be defective and I should return it. Perhapsthey > are waking up to the problem? > > BTW, I can't find a setting for the core.ini parameters that I'm happywith. > I tried Slot's suggestion, but this just amplifies effects like grass andkerbs > to a ridiculous extent while almost eliminating the feel of the tyres onthe > track. So I am back to a setting similar to Alison's, but the problem nowis > that when the steering loads up at speed the "stiction" from thenotchiness makes

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> small corrections impossible. > > Anton > > -- > Antony Bowers, Department of Computer Science, University of Bristol, UK. > http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~bowers/

thanks you sir! My china wheel's spindle isnt bent!!!! WOW lol. do you guys feel the motor running when the damper forces are set highg in games like N3 particularly! ???? JS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ronnie, > After I grinded the cylinder on my motor round, there is no more notch atall > (when switched off). > On power I can feel the magnets, which is a totally different feeling. > > Jens > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:10:07 -0800, "Ronnie Bigwhip"<[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > They all have a little notchiness dont they. Are you saying that if itisnt > perfectly smooth that the spindle is bent? > > My main prob with the wheel is with damping forces. If the damping ishigh you

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> can feel the motor running in the wheel . If we had the ability to adjust > deadband setting though it could be fixed! > >Ronnie Bigwhip > > > >Proud Member of Precision Racing Team > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > [email hidden] > Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address > > JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ > Racing simulation, esp. GPL > Logitech Wingman FF optimization > Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor > Radio controlled airplanes

Ronnie, After I grinded the cylinder on my motor round, there is no more notch at all (when switched off). On power I can feel the magnets, which is a totally different feeling. Jens On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:10:07 -0800, "Ronnie Bigwhip" <[email hidden]> wrote: > They all have a little notchiness dont they. Are you saying that if it isntperfectly smooth that the spindle is bent? > My main prob with the wheel is with damping forces. If the damping is high youcan feel the motor running in the wheel . If we had the ability to adjust deadband setting though it could be fixed! >Ronnie Bigwhip > >Proud Member of Precision Racing Team > > --------------------------------------------- [email hidden] Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ Racing simulation, esp. GPL Logitech Wingman FF optimization Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor Radio controlled airplanes

yup, mine too :( "Antony Bowers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > JS wrote: > > Just trying ro figure out, how many of the Logis have the bentmotor-spindle > > (comes from careless assembly in the factory). > > I returned my first LWFF for a refund because it was notchy, and now Ihave > a second unit from a different supplier (trying to avoid getting anotherfrom > the same batch). > > The new one is also notchy, but not quite as bad as the first. However ithas > more play, and feels really sloppy and poorly constructed. Both were madein China. > I'm not happy, I think I will return it and get the Force RS. > > I reported the first problem to Logitech tech support, and eventually they > responded saying it might be defective and I should return it. Perhapsthey > are waking up to the problem? > > BTW, I can't find a setting for the core.ini parameters that I'm happywith. > I tried Slot's suggestion, but this just amplifies effects like grass andkerbs > to a ridiculous extent while almost eliminating the feel of the tyres onthe > track. So I am back to a setting similar to Alison's, but the problem nowis > that when the steering loads up at speed the "stiction" from thenotchiness makes

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> small corrections impossible. > > Anton > > -- > Antony Bowers, Department of Computer Science, University of Bristol, UK. > http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~bowers/