Re: An F1 2000 feature you really must try...

Chris Wright <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bec92$l82$[email hidden]...

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> The uninstall button... > > What an absolute disgrace. Luckily I have managed to obtain a refund for > this from a retailer who doesn't normally do such things - they just > couldn't cope with my outrage at how bad I think this is. > > On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an

8MB > Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and > GeForce Annihilator Pro? Huh. That is not good. Usually the reccomended is what you can run with smooth framerates. > Rest easy Mr Crammond you have little to fear from this travesty of agame. Sounds like ubisoft doesn't have much to fear either. What is with the mirrors taking up 40%-50% of the framerate resources? That doesn't sound good either. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Frank, do you believe that any other F1 sim, other than GPL, is better? > If so, lets hear it. Please don't say GP2, because we will all know > you are not being very objective. > > If you can't name a better modern F1 sim, then why shouldn't 'we' > all be excited about it, and support the developers? F1RS??? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:16:51 -0000, "Chris Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The uninstall button... > >What an absolute disgrace. Luckily I have managed to obtain a refund for >this from a retailer who doesn't normally do such things - they just >couldn't cope with my outrage at how bad I think this is. > >On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an 8MB >Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and >GeForce Annihilator Pro? > >Rest easy Mr Crammond you have little to fear from this travesty of a game.

How well do you think Mr. Crammond's sim will run on your system? Were you around for the original release of GP2? -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:52:33 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote >> I believe F1 2000 has it's flaws, but it is the best F1 sim to date... >but >> you have to give it a chance.. >> >> A lot of fun and realistic.. > > >It may be fun if you take out any disbelief that this is actually how a F1 >car handles. You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an >impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of modern >racing. Everybody knows that, and it's imho a reason why a driver like Alex >Zanardi failed in F1 compared to the CART series or simply how the F1 cars >handled half a century ago. If it's "that" realistic, then tell me why the >average driver can constantly trailbrake into the medium and slow corners, >then simply powerslide at almost full throttle out of those corners? > >What about the incredibly bad track modeling? How can you say it's >realistic when there is a major flaw like that?

Frank, do you believe that any other F1 sim, other than GPL, is better? If so, lets hear it. Please don't say GP2, because we will all know you are not being very objective. If you can't name a better modern F1 sim, then why shouldn't 'we' all be excited about it, and support the developers? I like F1-2000 and I'll buy the retail tomorrow, for $29.95. I would like to hear your answers to these comments. Thanks. -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Yes, THAT'S what a sphincter says . . .

Stephen Ferguson wrote: > > My main point was > that there's no real reason why F1-2000 should be sluggish. The highest graphic settings are intended for use with PC's that don't exist yet. With the details turned down just a bit, it runs very smooth in practice mode. The real problem is the lack of an in-game control to reduce the number of AI drivers in a race. To be fair to F12K, I have to say that even today I don't run GPL offline with 19 AI drivers. The frame rate hit is too big. FIA _required_ ISI to force a full field of AI drivers in the game. ISI had no choice in the matter, or they would have allowed smaller fields. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:19:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Hotdog) wrote: >Did you give up on flightsims BTW ??. I'm going back to my racing sims... :) -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:06:44 -0700, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>rrevved wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:59 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such >> thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like >> they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000. > >It looks like you have a typo in there rrevved. When GPL was officially released at the end >of September 1998, the top of the line processor was the PII-450

Oops! I stand corrected. -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:12:57 -0800, jam3 <[email hidden]> wrote: > >It't funny, I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying I like the game. Me too! I think it is a FINE little sim. >I've been reading USENET for 10 years, stopped last few because >people now are much more rude. I agree. The more vocal ones, in RAS, are much less tolerant of any sim except GPL. That's a shame and sends a message to game developers, of 'why bother'. >I remember when >rec.autos.sport.f1 used to be great. > Yep. >It's too bad. Amen. > >Joe -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:39 -0700, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>ymenard wrote: > >> It may be fun if you take out any disbelief that this is actually how a F1 >> car handles. You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an >> impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of modern >> racing. Everybody knows that, and it's imho a reason why a driver like Alex >> Zanardi failed in F1 compared to the CART series or simply how the F1 cars >> handled half a century ago. > >Say what? Are you saying that nobody can trailbrake in modern F1 and that only >a handful of drivers ever accomplished that? I really don't think that's true >at all.

[ascends soap-box] I think Frank is unduly opinionated and above all he tends to make sweeping generalizations that he cannot prove. He tries to include ALL of RAS in his comments by saying '*we* want', *we* think', *we* are of the opinion', etc. when he only speaks for himself. At least I can promise you that he doesn't speak for me. His silly comments have gone on for some time, but now a great little (imperfect) sim has been released.. F1-2000. It is the absolute best modern F1 sim on the planet. [looks around] anybody disagree? Frank's constant harping on it's perceived flaws are not good for our hobby. He certainly has a right to not like F1-2000, but maybe some of his more esoteric 'trailbraking' etc. comments, are best kept to himself. Of course, he has the right to say what he wants, but his latest comments are grating to some people, myself included. His comments -don't- help get us more 'sims'. Esoteric comments such as his, might make developers think that the hardcore fans can never be satisfied. Summary: Frank has become the poster boy for why developers may just give up on the hardcore fans. It happened in flight sims and it may happen with racing sims if there is no support for those who make them. If 'we' don't like a sim because of it's trailbraking flaws, maybe 'we' should remember that there is a -lot- more to simulation than trailbraking, and that, perhaps, our hardcore racing sim hobby is at stake . [steps down from soap-box] -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:45:45 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Frank has become the poster boy for why developers may just give up >> on the hardcore fans. It happened in flight sims and it may happen with >> racing sims if there is no support for those who make them. If 'we' >> don't like a sim because of it's trailbraking flaws, maybe 'we' should >> remember that there is a -lot- more to simulation than trailbraking, >> and that, perhaps, our hardcore racing sim hobby is at stake . > > >Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a >undetermined period of time. > >But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have >tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you >will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the >community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta >testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for >people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a >Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people >like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not >long) know about the community? > >All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...

Quit pouting, Frank. -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On the following date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:48:55 -0600, said person(s) rrevved <[email hidden]> stated: >On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:19:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Hotdog) wrote: > >>Did you give up on flightsims BTW ??. > >I'm going back to my racing sims... :) Ha rrevved, me and you seem to run in the same "cycle" I love my flight sims, but every time I get one it needs 2 or 3 patches before the game will work according to the manual. Plus with racing sims I don't have to learn 500 damn commands :) rrevved, try SBK 2000 it is sweet. I have never ridden a race bike before but love the game. Nice smooth graphics and lots of "newbie" options - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever [email hidden] Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to: [email hidden]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:05:02 -0500, James Wohlever <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On the following date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:48:55 -0600, said person(s) >rrevved <[email hidden]> stated: > >>On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:19:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Hotdog) wrote: >> >>>Did you give up on flightsims BTW ??. >> >>I'm going back to my racing sims... :) > >Ha rrevved, me and you seem to run in the same "cycle" >I love my flight sims, but every time I get one it needs 2 or 3 >patches before the game will work according to the manual. >Plus with racing sims I don't have to learn 500 damn commands :)

AMEN, BROTHER GUNSLINGER!! >rrevved, try SBK 2000 it is sweet. I have never ridden a race bike >before but love the game. >Nice smooth graphics and lots of "newbie" options >I tried it, and had trouble with the controls, but I may borrow it from my neighbor and give it a little better thrashing.. ;)

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>- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever >[email hidden] > >Techware Computer Services >http://techware.gtinsider.com > >Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to: >[email hidden]

-- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 05:11:13 +0100, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ymenard, I don't know what all this stuff between rrevved, barton and >you is all about, but if they bother you so much, is a simple ploink >not the easiest solution? > >Andre > Good point, Andre.

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>On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:45:45 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote >>> Frank has become the poster boy for why developers may just give up >>> on the hardcore fans. It happened in flight sims and it may happen with >>> racing sims if there is no support for those who make them. If 'we' >>> don't like a sim because of it's trailbraking flaws, maybe 'we' should >>> remember that there is a -lot- more to simulation than trailbraking, >>> and that, perhaps, our hardcore racing sim hobby is at stake . >> >> >>Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a >>undetermined period of time. >> >>But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have >>tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you >>will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the >>community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta >>testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for >>people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a >>Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people >>like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not >>long) know about the community? >> >>All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...

-- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

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> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:59 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >GP2 came out in an era of software graphics, so poor performance can (to > >some degree) be excused. SBK2000, GPL and RC2000 have demonstrated that, > >with modern 3D hardware, there really is no excuse for having to "grow into" > >a sim over the course of a year. On even a "modest" PIII-450, any of these > >will run well. > > But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such > thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like > they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000.

It looks like you have a typo in there rrevved. When GPL was officially released at the end of September 1998, the top of the line processor was the PII-450 (I had just bought a 400 about six weeks before, and the 450 came out moments later). I had no real problems running at 800x600 - 36 fps except at the start of the race. And when the Voodoo3 came out, I was able to up the resolution to 1024x768 with no drop in frame rate. GP2 was much more ahead of the hardware curve for its time. With a 160 MHz processor, you had to turn a ton of stuff off to race in SVGA, and even then you got a lot of slowdowns at various places. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

ymenard wrote: > It may be fun if you take out any disbelief that this is actually how a F1 > car handles. You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an > impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of modern > racing. Everybody knows that, and it's imho a reason why a driver like Alex > Zanardi failed in F1 compared to the CART series or simply how the F1 cars > handled half a century ago. Say what? Are you saying that nobody can trailbrake in modern F1 and that only a handful of drivers ever accomplished that? I really don't think that's true at all. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:48:35 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:59 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" ><[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >GP2 came out in an era of software graphics, so poor performance can (to >> >some degree) be excused. SBK2000, GPL and RC2000 have demonstrated that, >> >with modern 3D hardware, there really is no excuse for having to "grow >into" >> >a sim over the course of a year. On even a "modest" PIII-450, any of >these >> >will run well. >> >> But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such >> thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like >> they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000. >> > >True. I used the PIII-450 as contemporary equipment for SBK2000 and RC2000. >GPL is thrown in as a processor intensive program that runs well thanks to a >3D card. When it came out, the computers of the time with a Rendition card >could run it reasonably well, I believe. Certainly people were getting >frame rates in the mid 20s with a level of decreased graphics detail that >would still be considered "sumptuous" compared to GP2. My main point was >that there's no real reason why F1-2000 should be sluggish. > >Stephen > >

Then I guess you didn't understand my post. Because of the things I mentioned to you, there is EVERY reason to understand why F1-2000 runs slowly. They ALL do, when released. The usenet comments about F12K performance could be copied directly from those made at the GPL release as well as the GP2 release. Also, if you think this thing runs slowly, I am going to predict that GP3 will be MUCH worse. Wanna bet? -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Am I missing something? Where is the Glide support? OpenGL? Personally, I found all Direct3D games I've tried look and run terrible. F1 2000 has bad FPS and is fuzzy on my PIII 550., 16MB Voodoo Banshee HOW CAN THIS BEEEEEEEE in conclusion, EA Sports are evil bastards, I want my money back Ian

Well said - I remenber people complaining of exactly the same thing when GP2 came out "oh, it wont run very well on my P120 16Mb RAM" Nowadays that sort of machine would not be up to many racing sims and we all probably have at least a Celeron, PII or PIII and only relatively recentely were we able to run GP2 with all detail. In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:16:51 -0000, "Chris Wright"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The uninstall button... > > > >What an absolute disgrace. Luckily I have managed to obtain a refundfor > >this from a retailer who doesn't normally do such things - they just > >couldn't cope with my outrage at how bad I think this is. > > > >On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM andan 8MB > >Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAMand > >GeForce Annihilator Pro? > > > >Rest easy Mr Crammond you have little to fear from this travesty of agame.

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> > How well do you think Mr. Crammond's sim will run on your system? > Were you around for the original release of GP2? > > -- > * rrev at mindspring dot com * >

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:50:25 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: >You even lower the wings from the default on a twisty track like >Brazil? Well, there goes my setup knowledge :) >I practiced on Brazil for about an hour, drove 1:24 laps (I'm good, I >know :) , then I raised my wings, and after a little bit of practice I >drove 1:17 laps. Hmmm, I have my wings at the minimum and still have a hard time to get over 300km/h at the front straight, like the AI does. What's your top speed with raised wings? Blaze

Studs Ramrod <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bfvbl$p8q$[email hidden]...

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> Well said - I remenber people complaining of exactly the same thing when > GP2 came out "oh, it wont run very well on my P120 16Mb RAM" > > Nowadays that sort of machine would not be up to many racing sims and we > all probably have at least a Celeron, PII or PIII and only relatively > recentely were we able to run GP2 with all detail. >

The question you have to ask yourself is if you are willing to let your computer gradually grow into F1-2000. With GP2, I think a lot of us enjoyed it at minimal graphics detail, and then enjoyed it some more with each upgrade. GPL is also one of those "mostly familiar but pleasantly new" sims with each computer upgrade. The basic product has to be good to put up with this process. GP2 came out in an era of software graphics, so poor performance can (to some degree) be excused. SBK2000, GPL and RC2000 have demonstrated that, with modern 3D hardware, there really is no excuse for having to "grow into" a sim over the course of a year. On even a "modest" PIII-450, any of these will run well. Stephen

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:55:17 -0600, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: >Usually the reccomended is what you can run with >smooth framerates. Since when is that? :-) Being a flight simmer in the other life, you and I should know that "recommended" means "minimum", while "minimum" means not more than "installation should be possible". This won't change as long there are some people who say they're happy with 5 fps, the game companies use that as an excuse for "different perceptions of running well". Blaze

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:59 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >GP2 came out in an era of software graphics, so poor performance can (to >some degree) be excused. SBK2000, GPL and RC2000 have demonstrated that, >with modern 3D hardware, there really is no excuse for having to "grow into" >a sim over the course of a year. On even a "modest" PIII-450, any of these >will run well. But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000. -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:59 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >GP2 came out in an era of software graphics, so poor performance can (to > >some degree) be excused. SBK2000, GPL and RC2000 have demonstrated that, > >with modern 3D hardware, there really is no excuse for having to "growinto" > >a sim over the course of a year. On even a "modest" PIII-450, any ofthese > >will run well. > > But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such > thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like > they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000. > True. I used the PIII-450 as contemporary equipment for SBK2000 and RC2000. GPL is thrown in as a processor intensive program that runs well thanks to a 3D card. When it came out, the computers of the time with a Rendition card could run it reasonably well, I believe. Certainly people were getting frame rates in the mid 20s with a level of decreased graphics detail that would still be considered "sumptuous" compared to GP2. My main point was that there's no real reason why F1-2000 should be sluggish. Stephen

The uninstall button... What an absolute disgrace. Luckily I have managed to obtain a refund for this from a retailer who doesn't normally do such things - they just couldn't cope with my outrage at how bad I think this is. On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an 8MB Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and GeForce Annihilator Pro? Rest easy Mr Crammond you have little to fear from this travesty of a game.

"James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote > I believe F1 2000 has it's flaws, but it is the best F1 sim to date...but > you have to give it a chance.. > > A lot of fun and realistic.. It may be fun if you take out any disbelief that this is actually how a F1 car handles. You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of modern racing. Everybody knows that, and it's imho a reason why a driver like Alex Zanardi failed in F1 compared to the CART series or simply how the F1 cars handled half a century ago. If it's "that" realistic, then tell me why the average driver can constantly trailbrake into the medium and slow corners, then simply powerslide at almost full throttle out of those corners? What about the incredibly bad track modeling? How can you say it's realistic when there is a major flaw like that? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

which is the reason why NFS PU isnt a realistic sim, the only thing holding it back is the arcade like sweeping wiiide tracks. ymenard wrote in message ...

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>"James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote >> I believe F1 2000 has it's flaws, but it is the best F1 sim to date... >but >> you have to give it a chance.. >> >> A lot of fun and realistic.. > > >It may be fun if you take out any disbelief that this is actually how a F1 >car handles. You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an >impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of

modern >racing. Everybody knows that, and it's imho a reason why a driver likeAlex

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>Zanardi failed in F1 compared to the CART series or simply how the F1 cars >handled half a century ago. If it's "that" realistic, then tell me why the >average driver can constantly trailbrake into the medium and slow corners, >then simply powerslide at almost full throttle out of those corners? > >What about the incredibly bad track modeling? How can you say it's >realistic when there is a major flaw like that? > > > > >-- >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.WeRace.net >-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

To tell you the truth before the release I was really looking forward to this Sim. I am really disappointed on what a horrible piece of trash the developers have created. This thing will never be able to be patched. Who in their mind would spend money on something not even completed. People here bitch about a warez version. Thank god for warez or I would have been a sucker and paid for this useless piece of software. Chris Wright wrote:

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> The uninstall button... > > What an absolute disgrace. Luckily I have managed to obtain a refund for > this from a retailer who doesn't normally do such things - they just > couldn't cope with my outrage at how bad I think this is. > > On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an 8MB > Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and > GeForce Annihilator Pro? > > Rest easy Mr Crammond you have little to fear from this travesty of a game.

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote > Frank, do you believe that any other F1 sim, other than GPL, is better? > If so, lets hear it. Please don't say GP2, because we will all know > you are not being very objective. Im unclear about my position at the moment. I made my mind about F1 2000 already, since it's now uninstalled after a full non-stop weekend of racing it, tweaking the setups, and trying the most out of it. Unless they work heavily on it with patches (which I'll check in this NG to see the progression), it won't take my time. Maybe in the future, when the price will be appropriate for it's value, I will. In terms of gameplay depth, I would need to say GP2, even if it's obsolete on many point. But what other titles can give you almost a thousand tracks, year-by-year full patch including probably the MOST accurate tracks in any modern F1 simulator, cars, and also basic car differences (power, weight, etc...). F1RS and MGPRS2 have better stuff than it, I'll say. I don't want to say that they are much better titles, but at the price they are sold, I almost suggest to get them instead. I personally feel it gives a better impression of how a modern post-Senna F1 car acts on the track. You can't much trail-brake or powerslide, which _IS_ accurate, even if overdone a little with push understeer and so. Everything else is irelevant, as they are all inferior to F1 2000. Like I said in a previous post : "I would rather spend time on better quality titles than owning a bad, even if the "best of the bad" Formula 1 title." -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I like it... I dont worry a lot about how realistic it is compared to the real thing.... using a puter is never going to be "just like the real thing" anyway... The main thing for me is fun, and I`m having more fun with F1-2000 than I ever had with GP2 and F1RS... For some reason I really enjoy driving the car... is that because it`s kinda easy to drive compared to other sim`s" ? ...maybe... I will admit that this is the first F1 sim I`ve used where I truly feel I could do a full length simulated race at a good pace and not find a way to crash my brains out before it ends. Another thing I like is that it seems that I have much more "feel" for what the car is doing in F1-2000 compared to F1RS,GP2, CPR and ICR2... It`s like I`m getting more real life seat of the pants "driving sensations" with this sim....even if they are not totaly correct to a real F1 car... I find they add a lot to the fun of using this sim compared to others I`ve spent time with. The other thing I love about F1-2000 is the TCP\IP support... it works great online and I just cant get enough of it. The main prob I have with F1-2000 is the AI.... I cant believe it will be this bad in the final version on store shelves ... can it be ?..... it`s so bad that it`s almost a joke.....no it is a joke !!!...and it`s actually pretty funny to watch..... If EA fixes the AI I will buy this sim no questions asked. True.... it`s also a system hog...but so was GP2 when it first came out (even more so if you ask me). Anyone doing laps at Brazil ? ....a 1:16.526 is my best using 2 clicks less front and rear wing from the default setup. I hear that someone got a 1:14.9 and I was just wondering what others are getting..... maybe post some setup tips and stuff like that. Also if anyone would like to race Brazil online respond to this thread.... maybe we can find a way to get some races going :) All the best, Lorne

Yes, THAT'S what a sphincter says . . . "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8belks$s0f$[email hidden]... > F1RS??? > > -- >

Hi Andre, I must have done 150 laps before I got the 1:16.526... but I was really getting into it because the first laps I ever did on the track were around 1:30 (lol) and I slowly got faster (hey there`s one> "slowly got faster") so it was a lot of fun to keep improving my times. Then I hit a brick wall. Ok, my best is now a 1:16.434 and I can sometimes do three 1:17`s in a row....but I cant beat that 1:16.434... and I can tell ya it`s sure not for lack of trying. I think the problem is that I cant dial in a setup to save my life :( I guess I`ll need to keep working at it and hope I get lucky, at least until some kind/fast racers start posting some good setups. To answer your question, I dont find that much of a difference in lap times when going down 2 clicks front\rear wing (from default). I can also get 1:17`s after going down 4 clicks (and I`ve had 1:17`s with full default settings as well). I can feel the trade off (speed vs grip) in how the car responds, but it always seems to equal out. Hmmm, maybe I should [raise] the wings from default like you did and see if I can be a lot quicker through the twisty bits.... this will be interesting. Anyway, I`m located in Toronto Canada and I`m on cable. If you (or anyone else) would like to hook up for some online racing just let me know :) All the best, Lorne lhg [AT] home [DOT] com

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> You even lower the wings from the default on a twisty track like > Brazil? Well, there goes my setup knowledge :) > I practiced on Brazil for about an hour, drove 1:24 laps (I'm good, I > know :) , then I raised my wings, and after a little bit of practice I > drove 1:17 laps. > How do you keep the car on the road at those last twisty corners with > your wings so low? > Andre

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>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:09:59 +0100, "Stephen Ferguson" >> >GP2 came out in an era of software graphics, so poor performance can (to >> >some degree) be excused. SBK2000, GPL and RC2000 have demonstrated that, >> >with modern 3D hardware, there really is no excuse for having to "grow >into" >> >a sim over the course of a year. On even a "modest" PIII-450, any of >these >> >will run well. >> But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such >> thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like >> they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000. >True. I used the PIII-450 as contemporary equipment for SBK2000 and RC2000. >GPL is thrown in as a processor intensive program that runs well thanks to a >3D card. When it came out, the computers of the time with a Rendition card >could run it reasonably well, I believe. Certainly people were getting >frame rates in the mid 20s with a level of decreased graphics detail that >would still be considered "sumptuous" compared to GP2. My main point was >that there's no real reason why F1-2000 should be sluggish. >Stephen

Then I guess you didn't understand my post. Because of the things I mentioned to you, there is EVERY reason to understand why F1-2000 runs slowly. They ALL do, when released. The usenet comments about F12K performance could be copied directly from those made at the GPL release as well as the GP2 release. Also, if you think this thing runs slowly, I am going to predict that GP3 will be MUCH worse. Wanna bet? -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

> ahem. Gesundheit! Sorry, one dink at a time. BB

This is exactly what I mean, Frankie - it can't be both "impossible" and something that "only a few have mastered" -- imposible is impossible, something that "a few have mastered" is by definition obviously possible. This isn't just bad English, it's poor thinking. To make the steaming pile of BS smell even worse, you say things like this, and then put the stamp of irrefutability (you think) on such nonsense statements by intoning "Everybody knows that." Well, I'm included in "everybody," and I can assure you that not only do I NOT know that, I utterly reject it out of hand as a logical impossibility. I have a word you might want to look up: hubris. CHeck it out, think about it for a couple weeks, and see if it doesn't fit you very well. Sheesh BB ymenard wrote: > You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of modern racing. Everybody knows that

ahem. "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This is exactly what I mean, Frankie - it can't be both "impossible" and > something that "only a few have mastered" -- imposible is impossible, > something that "a few have mastered" is by definition obviously > possible. This isn't just bad English, it's poor thinking. Utter nonsense. You're lifting Frank's words WAY out of context, setting them in a little corner and pouncing on them like a Krazy Kat. Surely, if you're as well-educated as your previous posts have indicated, you'd know that meaning is never simply reliant on a transparent relationship between sign and referent. "Impossible," in this case, can mean something quite different from "un-doable." It can mean "really unrealistic" for instance. I think we ALL could do with a bit of dictionary browsing in the "H-U" area. Yourself (and even my own cheery self) included. --DK

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>To make the > steaming pile of BS smell even worse, you say things like this, and then > put the stamp of irrefutability (you think) on such nonsense statements > by intoning "Everybody knows that." Well, I'm included in "everybody," > and I can assure you that not only do I NOT know that, I utterly reject > it out of hand as a logical impossibility. I have a word you might want > to look up: hubris. CHeck it out, think about it for a couple weeks, and > see if it doesn't fit you very well. > > Sheesh > > BB > > ymenard wrote: > > You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an impossible thing

that only a few have ever mastered in the history of modern racing. Everybody knows that

You even lower the wings from the default on a twisty track like Brazil? Well, there goes my setup knowledge :) I practiced on Brazil for about an hour, drove 1:24 laps (I'm good, I know :) , then I raised my wings, and after a little bit of practice I drove 1:17 laps. How do you keep the car on the road at those last twisty corners with your wings so low? Andre On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:33:14 GMT, "Lorne Glustein" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Anyone doing laps at Brazil ? ....a 1:16.526 is my best using 2 clicks less >front and rear wing from the default setup. I hear that someone got a 1:14.9 >and I was just wondering what others are getting..... maybe post some setup >tips and stuff like that. Also if anyone would like to race Brazil online >respond to this thread.... maybe we can find a way to get some races going >:) > >All the best, >Lorne > >

If you find the tracks too wide, you just don't drive at the limit... Andre On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:49:56 GMT, "Charlie B (Hans)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>which is the reason why NFS PU isnt a realistic sim, the only thing holding >it back is the arcade like sweeping wiiide tracks. > > >ymenard wrote in message ... >>"James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote >>> I believe F1 2000 has it's flaws, but it is the best F1 sim to date... >>but >>> you have to give it a chance.. >>> >>> A lot of fun and realistic.. >> >> >>It may be fun if you take out any disbelief that this is actually how a F1 >>car handles. You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an >>impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of >modern >>racing. Everybody knows that, and it's imho a reason why a driver like >Alex >>Zanardi failed in F1 compared to the CART series or simply how the F1 cars >>handled half a century ago. If it's "that" realistic, then tell me why the >>average driver can constantly trailbrake into the medium and slow corners, >>then simply powerslide at almost full throttle out of those corners? >> >>What about the incredibly bad track modeling? How can you say it's >>realistic when there is a major flaw like that? >> >> >> >> >>-- >>-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >>-- May the Downforce be with you... >>-- http://www.WeRace.net >>-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >>how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. >> >> >> > >

Hi Andre, I must have done 150 laps before I got the 1:16.526... but I was really getting into it because the first laps I ever did on the track were around 1:30 (lol) and I slowly got faster (hey there`s one> "slowly got faster") so it was a lot of fun to keep improving my times. Then I hit a brick wall. Ok, my best is now a 1:16.434 and I can sometimes do three 1:17`s in a row....but I cant beat that 1:16.434... and I can tell ya it`s sure not for lack of trying. I think the problem is that I cant dial in a setup to save my life :( I guess I`ll need to keep working at it and hope I get lucky, at least until some kind/fast racers start posting some good setups. To answer your question, I dont find that much of a difference in lap times when going down 2 clicks front\rear wing (from default). I can also get 1:17`s after going down 4 clicks (and I`ve had 1:17`s with full default settings as well). I can feel the trade off (speed vs grip) in how the car responds, but it always seems to equal out. Hmmm, maybe I should [raise] the wings from default like you did and see if I can be a lot quicker through the twisty bits.... this will be interesting. Anyway, I`m located in Toronto Canada and I`m on cable. If you (or anyone else) would like to hook up for some online racing just let me know :) All the best, Lorne lhg [AT] home [DOT] com P.S. I`m going to paste this reply into a thread I started called: "F1-2000 - Thoughts - Lap times - Lets race online :)" it would probably be a better place to talk in a positive way about F1-2000 ;) Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> You even lower the wings from the default on a twisty track like > Brazil? Well, there goes my setup knowledge :) > I practiced on Brazil for about an hour, drove 1:24 laps (I'm good, I > know :) , then I raised my wings, and after a little bit of practice I > drove 1:17 laps. > How do you keep the car on the road at those last twisty corners with > your wings so low? > > Andre > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:33:14 GMT, "Lorne Glustein" <[email hidden]> > >Anyone doing laps at Brazil ? ....a 1:16.526 is my best using 2 clicks

less > >front and rear wing from the default setup. I hear that someone got a1:14.9 > >and I was just wondering what others are getting..... maybe post somesetup > >tips and stuff like that. Also if anyone would like to race Brazil online > >respond to this thread.... maybe we can find a way to get some racesgoing > >:) > > > >All the best, > >Lorne

Please don't take this post as the last say. I believe F1 2000 has it's flaws, but it is the best F1 sim to date... but you have to give it a chance.. A lot of fun and realistic.. James Pickard Chris Wright <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bec92$l82$[email hidden]...

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> The uninstall button... > > What an absolute disgrace. Luckily I have managed to obtain a refund for > this from a retailer who doesn't normally do such things - they just > couldn't cope with my outrage at how bad I think this is. > > On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an

8MB > Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and > GeForce Annihilator Pro? > > Rest easy Mr Crammond you have little to fear from this travesty of agame.

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Anyone wo follows this forum knows I've given F1 2000 a hard time for a long while now. GP3 is the game I'm after, but heck, from what I heard about the warez versions if wasn't just F1 stlye Andretti racing so I bought it this morning. To tell the truth, it might ahve a few niggle flaws (I assure you EA always patch a game) but its one of the best modern day F1 racers we have right now. > On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an8MB > Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and > GeForce Annihilator Pro? I've got A PII350 65MB RAM and 16MB Voodoo Banshee card. Runs very well for me. It was a little sluggish at first but I sorted it. Get rid of all the miror detail, it seems slow it down alot and yo won't notice a diffeence wih them off anyway. Then just Set the high box to low or none if you don't mind not having a horizon. It looks perfect and runs great, even on my machine! If you need more speed turn off the biliniar thing, it doesn't make a difference unless you are using that view over teh drives head, in which case it might look a little pixilated, otehr than that it fine, but I don't need that. I know we are quick to udge EA Sports acing titles, (Although i like the other sports, I HATE ea sports racing titles) but if you give this a good try, ge used to it without aids on, and mess about with the graphics setup, I can't see why this is so bad. Its the best we have right now. But I still say roll on GP3.

One thing I found was the game runs faster on my machine at 1024x768, faster that 640x480. P3 500 TNT2 128MB. Runs great. I love it. It's not perfect, but is it fun? Yes! But hey I'm a Nigel Mansell fan too. Also the AI behave differenty in practive/qualify than in race. In practice they will pull over to let you by, which some take as poor AI behavior. They don't do that in the race. Anybody else notice that? It't funny, I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying I like the game. I've been reading USENET for 10 years, stopped last few because people now are much more rude. I remember when rec.autos.sport.f1 used to be great. It's too bad. Joe * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

"Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > This is exactly what I mean, Frankie - it can't be both "impossible" and > something that "only a few have mastered" -- imposible is impossible, > something that "a few have mastered" is by definition obviously > possible. This isn't just bad English, it's poor thinking. Yes Barton.. yes Mister "Extrapolation". Have you ever heard the term literary writing? Why did you extrapolate it to the extreme way, just for the pleasure of bashing at somebody's message? Anybody can clearly see the point that Im trying to reach. Why couldn't you? Would I have satisfied your life if I wrote "almost impossible"? I chosen to only write impossible since for me.. "almost impossible" is too large, not enough specific. So I guess for you idioms don't exist, since they have irrelevant connotations to their actual word-for-word meaning. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

David Karr wrote: > > ahem. Gesundheit! Sorry, one dink at a time. BB

ymenard wrote: >So I guess for you idioms don't exist, since they have irrelevantconnotations to their actual word-for-word meaning. Yowza! When did you start working for the government? That sounds like an AltaVista "Babelfish" translation from the original Urdu. Lighten up, Frank ... all I really wanted to know was your explanation of the differences in game engines, and you just refuse to answer. If you know this stuff, I'd like to learn about it. Don't be shy... BB

rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:12:57 -0800, jam3<[email hidden]> wrote:

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rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated offers some relief from the flames, but unfortunately it is not as spontaneous. Stephen, who also remembers a rather different USENET, circa 1994-1996

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>Did you hear me behind you playing snatches of "The Star-Spangled >Banner", "Oh, Canada!", "La Marseillaise", "Das Lied der Deutschen", >"Fratelli d'Italia", "Het Wilhelmus", "Het Belgisch Volkslied", "God >Save the Queen", "Amhr�n na bhFiann", "Flower of Scotland", "Negara ku, >tanah tumpahnya darah ku", "Advance Australia Fair", "Vielger�hmtes >�sterreich", "Himno Nacional Argentino", "A Portuguesa", "Du gamla, du >fria", "Schweizerpsalm", "V�rt land", and "Himno Nacional" on the kazoo >and ukelele? Well, I was... > >BB

LOL!!!!!! Now that you mention it, I think I heard that 'La Mayonnaise' tune somewhere in the background.. ;-p -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

I got the retail today and I like it, I've played enougth really bad F1 games to know a good one when I play it (F1 99, OF1R, Power F1, Grand Prix Unlimited,F1 97). It has taken some tweaking to get running right but I enjoy it. The driving model feels good, the impression of speed is spot on. The car models are the best I have seen in an F1 game. I can live with the AI (and hope it is improved). All in all the goods in this game far outweigh the bad Ps. I nice touch, has any body noticed the grandstands Friday Practice = Nearly Empty Qualifying = Half Full Race = Packed A nice touch and atmosphere building Regards Mike On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:16:51 -0000, "Chris Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The uninstall button... > >What an absolute disgrace. Luckily I have managed to obtain a refund for >this from a retailer who doesn't normally do such things - they just >couldn't cope with my outrage at how bad I think this is. > >On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an 8MB >Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and >GeForce Annihilator Pro? > >Rest easy Mr Crammond you have little to fear from this travesty of a game. > > > > > > >

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote > Frank has become the poster boy for why developers may just give up > on the hardcore fans. It happened in flight sims and it may happen with > racing sims if there is no support for those who make them. If 'we' > don't like a sim because of it's trailbraking flaws, maybe 'we' should > remember that there is a -lot- more to simulation than trailbraking, > and that, perhaps, our hardcore racing sim hobby is at stake . Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a undetermined period of time. But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not long) know about the community? All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Ymenard, I don't know what all this stuff between rrevved, barton and you is all about, but if they bother you so much, is a simple ploink not the easiest solution? Andre On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:45:45 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Frank has become the poster boy for why developers may just give up >> on the hardcore fans. It happened in flight sims and it may happen with >> racing sims if there is no support for those who make them. If 'we' >> don't like a sim because of it's trailbraking flaws, maybe 'we' should >> remember that there is a -lot- more to simulation than trailbraking, >> and that, perhaps, our hardcore racing sim hobby is at stake . > > >Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a >undetermined period of time. > >But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have >tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you >will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the >community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta >testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for >people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a >Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people >like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not >long) know about the community? > >All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:13:48 -0600 rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: % His silly comments have gone on for some time, but now a great little % (imperfect) sim has been released.. F1-2000. It is the absolute best % modern F1 sim on the planet. [looks around] anybody disagree? I can only say that it is the *only* modern F1 sim on the planet... But it is sad to say that I am not pleased with it at all. I would rather tool around with F1RS (never felt the follow up was worth it or even better) while I wait for GP3, than waste my time with F1 2000. (besides that will leave me more time to thoroughly enjoy NFS:PU....) -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:53:26 -0600 rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: % I agree. The more vocal ones, in RAS, are much less tolerant % of any sim except GPL. That's a shame and sends a message to % game developers, of 'why bother'. It has nothing to do with GPL (for me). I judge a sim on what I know and like about past ones and then look for ones that give me more of what I want (keyword is simulation). Indianapolis 500 the Simulation was the first real racing simulation. Since then there has been far and few contenders to that "bar" set by Papyrus group. For me F1 2000 doesn't move me at all. Not much improved physics wise over F1RS. I actually think the graphics and sound are worse (but then it's been awhile since I have fired up F1RS). The message I am sending to game developers is "don't bother dishing out trash or re-hashed sims/games without raising the bar). For me N3 didn't make the grade for the same weakness (re-hashed N2 with window dressing). F1 2000 doesn't offer me anything other than "current" season status. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>Then I guess you didn't understand my post. Because of the things I >mentioned to you, there is EVERY reason to understand why F1-2000 >runs slowly. They ALL do, when released. > >The usenet comments about F12K performance could be copied directly >from those made at the GPL release as well as the GP2 release. Also, if >you think this thing runs slowly, I am going to predict that GP3 will be >MUCH worse. > >Wanna bet? > >-- >* rrev at mindspring dot com *

Yeh but what Steven is saying is that F1_2000 runs like a dog compared to say SBK 2000 which is just as new a release as F1 2000, and SBK 2000 blows F1 2000 away in the graphics area alone, never mind the AI which sucks in F1 2000 and isnt worth wasting the CPU cycles on at all. Unless you have seen SBK 2000 in 1024x768 on a Celeron 466 running you wouldnt know, buts its smooth, very smooth maybe 30 FPS on Monza all the way around with a full field of 25 bikes. Oh and did I mention that SBK 2000 looks maybe 50% better than F1 2000 at 1024x768 :). Also the SBK 2000 AI is great to race against, rreved you should grab this title, you will like it I bet, unless you dont like bikes of course. Dont be put of with how hard GP500 was to control SBK 2000 has easier options for newbies to bike sims. Hotdog Did you give up on flightsims BTW ??.

> One thing I found was the game runs faster on my machine at > 1024x768, faster that 640x480. Had the same problem and with RC2000 aswell, strange.

Amen! Andre

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>I like it... I dont worry a lot about how realistic it is compared to the >real thing.... using a puter is never going to be "just like the real thing" >anyway... The main thing for me is fun, and I`m having more fun with F1-2000 >than I ever had with GP2 and F1RS... For some reason I really enjoy driving >the car... is that because it`s kinda easy to drive compared to other sim`s" >? ...maybe... I will admit that this is the first F1 sim I`ve used where I >truly feel I could do a full length simulated race at a good pace and not >find a way to crash my brains out before it ends. Another thing I like is >that it seems that I have much more "feel" for what the car is doing in >F1-2000 compared to F1RS,GP2, CPR and ICR2... It`s like I`m getting more >real life seat of the pants "driving sensations" with this sim....even if >they are not totaly correct to a real F1 car... I find they add a lot to the >fun of using this sim compared to others I`ve spent time with. The other >thing I love about F1-2000 is the TCP\IP support... it works great online >and I just cant get enough of it. The main prob I have with F1-2000 is the >AI.... I cant believe it will be this bad in the final version on store >shelves ... can it be ?..... it`s so bad that it`s almost a joke.....no it >is a joke !!!...and it`s actually pretty funny to watch..... If EA fixes the >AI I will buy this sim no questions asked. True.... it`s also a system >hog...but so was GP2 when it first came out (even more so if you ask me). >

I agree for a 100% with you. Main reason of playing games is having fun. And I'm having a lot of it with F1-2000 Ben

Well, i'm running it on a PIII600, 128mb RAM, 32mb Nvidia TNT2 and have to say that I am very unimpressed at the moment by how sluggish it can be. I have got rid of the mirrors and this does make a difference but I certainly didn't expect to have to do this on what is after all not exactly a sluggish system. I also have the transparent tires problem and I am wondering if this may also be partly causing the slow frame rates as much more of the track has to be drawn.. is that possible??? It also makes it much harder to drive... I have just finished a couple of quick races and it has grown on me so I will reserve my final judgement until the tires problem has been resolved (hopefully). Cheers Peter Hooper GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bgcl0$oks$[email hidden]... > Anyone wo follows this forum knows I've given F1 2000 a hard time for along > while now. GP3 is the game I'm after, > > but heck, from what I heard about the warez versions if wasn't just F1stlye > Andretti racing so I bought it this morning. To tell the truth, it might > ahve a few niggle flaws (I assure you EA always patch a game) but its oneof

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> the best modern day F1 racers we have right now. > > > > On the box it states a recommended spec as PII 450 with 128MB RAM and an > 8MB > > Video Card. So how comes it runs abysmally on my PIII 550 128 MB RAM and > > GeForce Annihilator Pro? > > I've got A PII350 65MB RAM and 16MB Voodoo Banshee card. > > Runs very well for me. It was a little sluggish at first but I sorted it. > Get rid of all the miror detail, it seems slow it down alot and yo won't > notice a diffeence wih them off anyway. > > Then just Set the high box to low or none if you don't mind not having a > horizon. > > It looks perfect and runs great, even on my machine! > > If you need more speed turn off the biliniar thing, it doesn't make a > difference unless you are using that view over teh drives head, in which > case it might look a little pixilated, otehr than that it fine, but I

don't > need that. > > I know we are quick to udge EA Sports acing titles, (Although i like the > other sports, I HATE ea sports racing titles) but if you give this a good > try, ge used to it without aids on, and mess about with the graphicssetup, > I can't see why this is so bad. Its the best we have right now. > > But I still say roll on GP3. > >

Did you hear me behind you playing snatches of "The Star-Spangled Banner", "Oh, Canada!", "La Marseillaise", "Das Lied der Deutschen", "Fratelli d'Italia", "Het Wilhelmus", "Het Belgisch Volkslied", "God Save the Queen", "Amhr�n na bhFiann", "Flower of Scotland", "Negara ku, tanah tumpahnya darah ku", "Advance Australia Fair", "Vielger�hmtes �sterreich", "Himno Nacional Argentino", "A Portuguesa", "Du gamla, du fria", "Schweizerpsalm", "V�rt land", and "Himno Nacional" on the kazoo and ukelele? Well, I was... BB

This is the absolute tops, Frank! *YOU* decide to take your ball(s) and go home, and it's somebody else's fault? Mais non, mon frere -- everybody's responsible for their own actions in THIS life, sonny. Nobody won, 'cause nobody was playing -- except you, with your childish "king shit of turd mountain" nonsense. Grab yourself a hunk of maturity and come back when you can act like a man. BB ymenard wrote: > > Wahhhh, waaaahhhhh, wahhh, waaaahhhhaaahhh... > Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a undetermined period of time. > Wahhhh, waaaahhhhh, wahhh, waaaahhhhaaahhh... < much self-pitying, "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore"-style whining snipped > > All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...

It's an excellent point, but the problem isn't between Menard on the one hand, and rrevved and me (and MANY others over the years) on the other -- the problem is that Menard finds himself (again, and again, and again) in the Emperor's Clothes, and he really hates it when people point out (as they have again, and again, and again, for more than 5 years), that he's talking through his non-existent hat, not to mention standing there with his bare arse in the breeze. As many over the years have tried to point out, he claims to know things that he simply does not, and when challenged, pouts off with his little bag of goodies, with the threat to not let anyone play with them ever again. His so-called "standing" in the sim community is almost entirely due to his own tireless self-promotion and blowing of his own horn. Has he done "good" things? Sure. Is he a constant fuckwit? Pretty much. Is that a "bad" thing? Well, in a cosmic sense, who cares? But in a practical sense, he's a constant source of misinformation and misleading personal opinion delivered as fact. I suppose no one can force maturity (or any other desirable quality) on another, but Frank's unending "Look at how fabulous I am!" and concomitant "NOW you'll all be sorry!" simply invites the juicy raspberry from all right-thinking souls. Ultimately, he couldn't stay away from this medium if he was run over by a freight train -- it's his entire existence, as far as anyone can tell. That, in itself, is sad, and maybe I'm just a common UseNet bully/troll/flamer/azzhole/whatever, but the bottom line is "as ye sow, so shall ye reap", and Frank has sown enough bullshit to raise the atmospheric methane level to toxic levels. Why do I care? Maybe I'm just a dick. BB rrevved wrote:

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> > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 05:11:13 +0100, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Ymenard, I don't know what all this stuff between rrevved, barton and > >you is all about, but if they bother you so much, is a simple ploink > >not the easiest solution? > > > >Andre > > > > Good point, Andre.

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> > > >I remember when > > >rec.autos.sport.f1 used to be great. > > > > > > > Yep. > > > > rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated offers some relief from the flames, but > unfortunately it is not as spontaneous.

Again, if anybody thinks THIS place is nuts, wander on over for a lurk at the UNmoderated "rec.autos.sport.f1" -- it's basically a side-room to alt.flame these days. BB

Amen! Andre On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:57:11 +0100, De Hoog <[email hidden]> wrote: >I agree for a 100% with you. >Main reason of playing games is having fun. >And I'm having a lot of it with F1-2000 > >Ben

> it's basically a side-room to > alt.flame these days. Don't I know it, shame really, but its fun to get involved somtimes........hehe

"GAME! Mr. Brown leads five games to love, first set!" -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It's an excellent point, but the problem isn't between Menard on the one > hand, and rrevved and me (and MANY others over the years) on the other > -- the problem is that Menard finds himself (again, and again, and > again) in the Emperor's Clothes, and he really hates it when people > point out (as they have again, and again, and again, for more than 5 > years), that he's talking through his non-existent hat, not to mention > standing there with his bare arse in the breeze. As many over the years > have tried to point out, he claims to know things that he simply does > not, and when challenged, pouts off with his little bag of goodies, with > the threat to not let anyone play with them ever again. His so-called > "standing" in the sim community is almost entirely due to his own > tireless self-promotion and blowing of his own horn. Has he done "good" > things? Sure. Is he a constant fuckwit? Pretty much. Is that a "bad" thing? > > Well, in a cosmic sense, who cares? But in a practical sense, he's a > constant source of misinformation and misleading personal opinion > delivered as fact. I suppose no one can force maturity (or any other > desirable quality) on another, but Frank's unending "Look at how > fabulous I am!" and concomitant "NOW you'll all be sorry!" simply > invites the juicy raspberry from all right-thinking souls. Ultimately, > he couldn't stay away from this medium if he was run over by a freight > train -- it's his entire existence, as far as anyone can tell. That, in > itself, is sad, and maybe I'm just a common UseNet > bully/troll/flamer/azzhole/whatever, but the bottom line is "as ye sow, > so shall ye reap", and Frank has sown enough bullshit to raise the > atmospheric methane level to toxic levels. Why do I care? Maybe I'm just > a dick. > > BB > > rrevved wrote: > > > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 05:11:13 +0100, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Ymenard, I don't know what all this stuff between rrevved, barton and > > >you is all about, but if they bother you so much, is a simple ploink > > >not the easiest solution? > > > > > >Andre > > > > > > > Good point, Andre.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>Ha rrevved, me and you seem to run in the same "cycle" > >>I love my flight sims, but every time I get one it needs 2 or 3 > >>patches before the game will work according to the manual. > >>Plus with racing sims I don't have to learn 500 damn commands :) > > > > AMEN, BROTHER GUNSLINGER!! > > Since you guys are also into flight sims, can you recommend a good one for > WWII? E-mail if you can, no sense adding *more* OT stuff...<g>

Without a doubt, EAW. I believe it has the least overhead and will do Glide in 800x600 if you have a voodoo2 card. It also has dozens of aircraft in the air during your furballs. Janes WWII is popular too but I believe it is more resource intensive than EAW. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Thanks. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Mike Blackmore <[email hidden]> writes: >Ps. I nice touch, has any body noticed the grandstands > >Friday Practice = Nearly Empty >Qualifying = Half Full >Race = Packed > Didn't Nascar and ICR also do that? It is a nice touch... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> writes: >>Ha rrevved, me and you seem to run in the same "cycle" >>I love my flight sims, but every time I get one it needs 2 or 3 >>patches before the game will work according to the manual. >>Plus with racing sims I don't have to learn 500 damn commands :) > > AMEN, BROTHER GUNSLINGER!! Since you guys are also into flight sims, can you recommend a good one for WWII? E-mail if you can, no sense adding *more* OT stuff...<g> Thanks. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On the following date: 06 Apr 2000 00:51:10 GMT, said person(s) [email hidden] (EldredP) stated: >Since you guys are also into flight sims, can you recommend a good one for >WWII? Janes WW2 Fighters or Microprose European Air War Stay away from Microsoft's Combat Flight Sim James "Gunslinger" Wohlever "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his" -Gen. George S. Patton Jr. http://techware.gtinsider.com

On the following date: 06 Apr 2000 00:51:09 GMT, said person(s) [email hidden] (EldredP) stated:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Mike Blackmore ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Ps. I nice touch, has any body noticed the grandstands >> >>Friday Practice = Nearly Empty >>Qualifying = Half Full >>Race = Packed >> > >Didn't Nascar and ICR also do that? It is a nice touch...

Sort of... Practice, empty Qual, empty Race, Full - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever [email hidden] Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to: [email hidden]

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>On the following date: 06 Apr 2000 00:51:09 GMT, said person(s) >[email hidden] (EldredP) stated: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, Mike Blackmore >><[email hidden]> writes: >> >>>Ps. I nice touch, has any body noticed the grandstands >>> >>>Friday Practice = Nearly Empty >>>Qualifying = Half Full >>>Race = Packed >>> >> >>Didn't Nascar and ICR also do that? It is a nice touch... > >Sort of... Practice, empty > Qual, empty > Race, Full >

I could swear rthat I've seen some people in the stands during qualifying.

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8chtjd$4v8$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" > <no.spam.email.for.me> writes: > > >> Since you guys are also into flight sims, can you recommend a good onefor

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> >> WWII? E-mail if you can, no sense adding *more* OT stuff...<g> > > > >Without a doubt, EAW. I believe it has the least overhead and will do > >Glide in 800x600 if you have a voodoo2 card. It also has dozens of > >aircraft in the air during your furballs. > > Dozens at a time? What kind of processor does it need?

Buttery smooth on my P2-450 w/128MB ram and 12MB Voodoo2 card. The furballs in EAW are legendary. Much more aircraft in the air at one time with a far greater framerate then the other WW2 sims. > > > >Janes WWII is popular too but I believe it is more resource intensive > >than EAW. > > > Same question<g> A little bit more CPU. But I believe a P2-450 was still quite acceptable. However I do not believe the furballs in Janes WW2 had as many aircraft as EAW. I have done 2 campaigns in EAW and have never tried Janes or MS combat sim. I accidentally selected what is generally considered the best (EAW). -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > Eldred > > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, James Wohlever > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >On the following date: 06 Apr 2000 00:51:10 GMT, said person(s) > >[email hidden] (EldredP) stated: > > > >>Since you guys are also into flight sims, can you recommend a good one

for > >>WWII? > > > >Janes WW2 Fighters or Microprose European Air War > >Stay away from Microsoft's Combat Flight Sim > > Ok, thanks. Is the MS program really *that* bad...? Pretty much, especially on slower processors. Again this sim has nowhere near the number of aircraft in the sky during fur balls and I believe the campaign is pretty poor. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

In article <8chtjd$4v8$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> writes: >> Since you guys are also into flight sims, can you recommend a good one for >> WWII? E-mail if you can, no sense adding *more* OT stuff...<g> > >Without a doubt, EAW. I believe it has the least overhead and will do >Glide in 800x600 if you have a voodoo2 card. It also has dozens of >aircraft in the air during your furballs. Dozens at a time? What kind of processor does it need? > >Janes WWII is popular too but I believe it is more resource intensive >than EAW. >Same question<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, James Wohlever <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On the following date: 06 Apr 2000 00:51:10 GMT, said person(s) >[email hidden] (EldredP) stated: > >>Since you guys are also into flight sims, can you recommend a good one for >>WWII? > >Janes WW2 Fighters or Microprose European Air War >Stay away from Microsoft's Combat Flight Sim

Ok, thanks. Is the MS program really *that* bad...? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>All in all the goods in this game far outweigh the bad > >Ps. I nice touch, has any body noticed the grandstands > >Friday Practice = Nearly Empty >Qualifying = Half Full >Race = Packed > >A nice touch and atmosphere building > >Regards Mike

Did you also notice the graffiti on the track at Imola? Just like the real thing. The game continues to impress me more and more as I play it. Indeed the best modern F1 game yet. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!