Re: F12k Do I need a degree to play this thing!?

Ed Kloskowski wrote: > > Logitech FF. > > > What type of controller are you using? If you haven't already, I suggest turning off the FF. The feedback isn't worth the frame rate hit. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

Well, guys thanks for the help. I can now complete laps pretty consistently. However, nothing I do makes this sim even remotely playalbe in a race. I used FRAPS and found I was getting 9fps at that start, and as long as I hung with the pack I was getting 16fps, when I was more or less alone I was getting 18... way to jerky for me. I excused the high accident incident as my fault, but when I ran further back they were still occuring. I dont get to watch much F1 racing, but I dont remeber seeing this many accidents when I do catch a race. ed Ed Kloskowski <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8big8s$per$[email hidden]... > Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have always > enjoyed the hard core sims > > F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have no > idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the leastprovide

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> some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. > > But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity lower, I > cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock the > wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto > shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. > > This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just cant > race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough

Frames > that I cant control my car) > > I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the gamefrustrated

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> and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. > > any ideas? > > ed > >

Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have always enjoyed the hard core sims F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have no idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the least provide some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity lower, I cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock the wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just cant race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough Frames that I cant control my car) I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the game frustrated and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. any ideas? ed

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:54:50 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have always >enjoyed the hard core sims > >F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have no >idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the least provide >some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. > >But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity lower, I >cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock the >wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto >shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. > >This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just cant >race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough Frames >that I cant control my car) > >I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the game frustrated >and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. > >any ideas? > >ed >

Ed, the first and most important thing is to get the framerate up to a SMOOTH condition. Until you do that, you are just not going to be able to set up or drive the car properly. Reduce detail.. view distance, sky box, no mirrors, etc. until it is REAL SMOOTH. Then you will have much less of a problem. What type of controller are you using? -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Logitech FF. I setup the controler in there but also used the in-game to knock down the sensitivity. thanks ed rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:54:50 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I havealways > >enjoyed the hard core sims > > > >F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have no > >idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the leastprovide

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> >some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. > > > >But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity lower, I > >cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock the > >wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto > >shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. > > > >This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just cant > >race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough

Frames > >that I cant control my car) > > > >I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the gamefrustrated

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> >and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. > > > >any ideas? > > > >ed > > > > Ed, the first and most important thing is to get the framerate > up to a SMOOTH condition. Until you do that, you are just > not going to be able to set up or drive the car properly. > Reduce detail.. view distance, sky box, no mirrors, etc. > until it is REAL SMOOTH. Then you will have much less of a > problem. > > What type of controller are you using? > > -- > * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:04:16 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Logitech FF. > >I setup the controler in there but also used the in-game to knock down the >sensitivity. thanks > >ed Turn down the details *substantially* in the game and it will be much easier to drive. Also, move the brake balance further to the rear using [ and ] . Make it f47 / r53 or something similar. Take it slow and easy, sunday driver style until you get the hang of it. Look a greater distance down the track, and don't worry as much about what is directly in front of you, since it's too late to do anything about that.. :)

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>rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:54:50 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" ><[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have >always >> >enjoyed the hard core sims >> > >> >F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have no >> >idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the least >provide >> >some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. >> > >> >But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity lower, I >> >cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock the >> >wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto >> >shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. >> > >> >This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just cant >> >race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough >Frames >> >that I cant control my car) >> > >> >I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the game >frustrated >> >and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. >> > >> >any ideas? >> > >> >ed >> > >> >> Ed, the first and most important thing is to get the framerate >> up to a SMOOTH condition. Until you do that, you are just >> not going to be able to set up or drive the car properly. >> Reduce detail.. view distance, sky box, no mirrors, etc. >> until it is REAL SMOOTH. Then you will have much less of a >> problem. >> >> What type of controller are you using? >> >> -- >> * rrev at mindspring dot com * >

-- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have always enjoyed the hard core sims F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have no idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the least provide some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity lower, I cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock the wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just cant race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough Frames that I cant control my car) I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the game frustrated and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. any ideas? ed

Go into the season00\vehicles directory and open default.vhs with notepad. Now edit the brake ratio from 9xxx to about 6200. The brakes will be far easier to handle. Just try it. "Ed Kloskowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8big8s$per$[email hidden]... > Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have always > enjoyed the hard core sims > > F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have no > idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the leastprovide

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> some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. > > But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity lower, I > cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock the > wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto > shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. > > This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just cant > race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough

Frames > that I cant control my car) > > I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the gamefrustrated

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> and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. > > any ideas? > > ed > >

"Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote > Go into the season00\vehicles directory and open default.vhs with notepad. > Now edit the brake ratio from 9xxx to about 6200. > The brakes will be far easier to handle. Just try it. Could anybody please test this in multiplayer to see if ISI implemented some sort of anti-cheat measures so that the server actually controls the car physics and characteristics instead of the clients? This would destroy completely any possibility of sportsmanship online racing, as anybody could simply change their data on the client side. I don't have F1 2000 anymore, but I wish to know this answer, mostly for the group's knowledge. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:39:01 GMT, "Lorne Glustein" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hi Ed, >Try this...I found it in another thread and I have just finished testing it. >I`m very impressed with the results. Go into the season00\vehicles directory >and open default.vhs with notepad. Now edit the brake ratio from 9xxx to >about 6200. The brakes will be far easier to handle. > >All the best, >Lorne > >

GREAT! Thanks a lot Lorne.

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>rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:04:16 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" ><[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Logitech FF. >> > >> >I setup the controler in there but also used the in-game to knock down >the >> >sensitivity. thanks >> > >> >ed >> >> Turn down the details *substantially* in the game and it will be >> much easier to drive. Also, move the brake balance further >> to the rear using [ and ] . Make it f47 / r53 or something similar. >> >> Take it slow and easy, sunday driver style until you get the hang of it. >> >> Look a greater distance down the track, and don't worry as much about >> what is directly in front of you, since it's too late to do anything >> about that.. :) >> >> >rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:[email hidden]... >> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:54:50 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" >> ><[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have >> >always >> >> >enjoyed the hard core sims >> >> > >> >> >F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have >no >> >> >idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the least >> >provide >> >> >some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. >> >> > >> >> >But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity >lower, I >> >> >cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock >the >> >> >wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto >> >> >shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. >> >> > >> >> >This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just >cant >> >> >race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough >> >Frames >> >> >that I cant control my car) >> >> > >> >> >I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the game >> >frustrated >> >> >and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. >> >> > >> >> >any ideas? >> >> > >> >> >ed >> >> > >> >> >> >> Ed, the first and most important thing is to get the framerate >> >> up to a SMOOTH condition. Until you do that, you are just >> >> not going to be able to set up or drive the car properly. >> >> Reduce detail.. view distance, sky box, no mirrors, etc. >> >> until it is REAL SMOOTH. Then you will have much less of a >> >> problem. >> >> >> >> What type of controller are you using? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> * rrev at mindspring dot com * >> > >> >> -- >> * rrev at mindspring dot com * >

-- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Hi Ed, Try this...I found it in another thread and I have just finished testing it. I`m very impressed with the results. Go into the season00\vehicles directory and open default.vhs with notepad. Now edit the brake ratio from 9xxx to about 6200. The brakes will be far easier to handle. All the best, Lorne rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:04:16 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Logitech FF. > > > >I setup the controler in there but also used the in-game to knock downthe

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> >sensitivity. thanks > > > >ed > > Turn down the details *substantially* in the game and it will be > much easier to drive. Also, move the brake balance further > to the rear using [ and ] . Make it f47 / r53 or something similar. > > Take it slow and easy, sunday driver style until you get the hang of it. > > Look a greater distance down the track, and don't worry as much about > what is directly in front of you, since it's too late to do anything > about that.. :) > > >rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:54:50 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have > >always > >> >enjoyed the hard core sims > >> > > >> >F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I have

no > >> >idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the least > >provide > >> >some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. > >> > > >> >But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvitylower, I > >> >cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lockthe > >> >wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto > >> >shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. > >> > > >> >This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I justcant

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> >> >race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing enough > >Frames > >> >that I cant control my car) > >> > > >> >I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the game > >frustrated > >> >and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. > >> > > >> >any ideas? > >> > > >> >ed > >> > > >> > >> Ed, the first and most important thing is to get the framerate > >> up to a SMOOTH condition. Until you do that, you are just > >> not going to be able to set up or drive the car properly. > >> Reduce detail.. view distance, sky box, no mirrors, etc. > >> until it is REAL SMOOTH. Then you will have much less of a > >> problem. > >> > >> What type of controller are you using? > >> > >> -- > >> * rrev at mindspring dot com * > > > > -- > * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Oooops I didnt notice that this advice had been given already ;) Lorne Lorne Glustein <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9NlD4.5121$[email hidden]... > Hi Ed, > Try this...I found it in another thread and I have just finished testingit. > I`m very impressed with the results. Go into the season00\vehiclesdirectory

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> and open default.vhs with notepad. Now edit the brake ratio from 9xxx to > about 6200. The brakes will be far easier to handle. > > All the best, > Lorne > > > rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:04:16 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Logitech FF. > > > > > >I setup the controler in there but also used the in-game to knock down > the > > >sensitivity. thanks > > > > > >ed > > > > Turn down the details *substantially* in the game and it will be > > much easier to drive. Also, move the brake balance further > > to the rear using [ and ] . Make it f47 / r53 or something similar. > > > > Take it slow and easy, sunday driver style until you get the hang of it. > > > > Look a greater distance down the track, and don't worry as much about > > what is directly in front of you, since it's too late to do anything > > about that.. :) > > > > >rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:54:50 -0500, "Ed Kloskowski" > > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> > > >> >Shessh, I guess maybe I should stick to an arcade racer, but I have > > >always > > >> >enjoyed the hard core sims > > >> > > > >> >F12K though I can play with all the realism options turned up! I

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> no > > >> >idea how to tune a car setup (I think that they should at the least > > >provide > > >> >some decnt one for us) so I am stuck with the defaults. > > >> > > > >> >But the brakes lock the wheels up even when I set the sensitvity > lower, I > > >> >cant turn into a corner under hard braking because it seems to lock > the > > >> >wheels up, if I turn on anti lock, I cant slow fast enough, and auto > > >> >shifting doesnt downshift into corners so there is no help there. > > >> > > > >> >This sim is frustrating as hell not to mention the fact that I just > cant > > >> >race it due to poor frame rates (not a slide show, but missing

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> > >Frames > > >> >that I cant control my car) > > >> > > > >> >I just cant seem to control the car and wind up leaving the game > > >frustrated > > >> >and annoyed rather than feeling like I had fun. > > >> > > > >> >any ideas? > > >> > > > >> >ed > > >> > > > >> > > >> Ed, the first and most important thing is to get the framerate > > >> up to a SMOOTH condition. Until you do that, you are just > > >> not going to be able to set up or drive the car properly. > > >> Reduce detail.. view distance, sky box, no mirrors, etc. > > >> until it is REAL SMOOTH. Then you will have much less of a > > >> problem. > > >> > > >> What type of controller are you using? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> * rrev at mindspring dot com * > > > > > > > -- > > * rrev at mindspring dot com * > >