Re: F1 2000

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:16:51 GMT, "Michael E. Carver" [email hidden] wrote:

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>On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:55:49 -0600 rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > >% I guess, then, you couldnt have possibly tried out several >% fixes that have come out already for the niggling problems >% in F1-2000. At this point, you haven't a clue as to how it is >% currently working, right? > >I have the retail version and never saw the warez version. Sorry but >even with the "fixes" it still needs major work....

Which fixes have you employed, Michael? Be as specific as you can. >If you enjoy it >fine, but please include a caveat with your glowing reviews.... It sure >needs a major cavaet (in my book). > I always do, Michael. I always try to mention the high system requirements issues, for example. >And while we are on the subject, stop trying to defend F12000 by >simply attacking others.... defend the product (if it can stand it). When I am attacked, or get called silly names, I bite back. Don't like it, Michael? Too fucking bad. *p-l-o- -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:53:15 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Willis" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Can anybody tell me if F1 2000 is worth buying because I've heard some >> people saying it is a load of crap. > > >If all you ever do is hotlapping, and don't care much about bad track >accuracy, then I'll say it's the best of any F1 game to date (since Gp2 is >outdated in terms of graphics, and only graphics, but still an important >part). > >But is the best of the worst worth it? Not at the current cost I would >say. Probably when it's a little lower, and we can see how the support from >EA/ISI will be.

But you don't own it, do you, Frank? -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:39:33 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote >>On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:53:15 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>>"Willis" <[email hidden]> wrote >>>> Can anybody tell me if F1 2000 is worth buying because I've heard some >>>> people saying it is a load of crap. >>> >>> >>>If all you ever do is hotlapping, and don't care much about bad track >>>accuracy, then I'll say it's the best of any F1 game to date (since Gp2 is >>>outdated in terms of graphics, and only graphics, but still an important >>>part). >>> >>>But is the best of the worst worth it? Not at the current cost I would >>>say. Probably when it's a little lower, and we can see how the support from >>>EA/ISI will be. >> But you don't own it, do you, Frank? > >Let's not go into this another time. >

I wouldn't have raised the issue at all, Frank, but since you seem to be on a campaign to dissuade anyone from buying it, I thought I would just check to see if you had deleted your warez version and actually bought the sim. >There is no difference of the actual game capabilities between the final >version found on the net and the one in the box. And you know this -for sure-? Have you size/date matched the files from the warez version and the boxed version? Oops, I forgot, you can't because you only have the warez version. >Who knows? I might have raced it all weekend long at X's house who owns it. >You shouldn't care at all about this. > So, you won't be criticizing others for having warez anymore? I mean, they could have just been 'racing all weekend long at X's house', right? Oops, I forgot. You are one of the first (and certainly the most famous) warez dudeZ in this newsgroup. Should I refresh your memory? > >In fact, if I see quality support by ISI for patching the title and a good >price drop, I will buy it. So Frank, you're not racing it any more are you? I mean since it's so bad and all, and you haven't actually bought it. So, you deleted it? I guess, then, you couldnt have possibly tried out several fixes that have come out already for the niggling problems in F1-2000. At this point, you haven't a clue as to how it is currently working, right? [ snip mo' crap ] -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:16:49 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: Frank, you snipped -all- of the context out of my post... again. I don't feel like cutting and pasting it back in this followup to you... again. I am going to simply *plonk* you. You are someone that cannot be debated in a forum like this, because you are a cheap debater. snip..snip should be your name. >First of all, you have no point in which to stand on [snip] bye Frankie. *plonk* -- * rrev at mindspring dot com *

Willis wrote: > > Can anybody tell me if F1 2000 is worth buying because I've heard some > people saying it is a load of crap. I think it's better than any other F1 sim in terms of the driving experience. There are a lot of details that need work though, but those are being sorted out as we speak :) It's definitely worth buying. The low points are racing with AI, though that can easily be improved. FPS suffers during a race though, but there may be some workarounds for that too. The other disappointment for me is the FF. Not very informative, and hard on FPS. Still, even if all you do is ever hotlap, it's fun. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

Can anybody tell me if F1 2000 is worth buying because I've heard some people saying it is a load of crap.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:49:34 +0100 Willis <[email hidden]> wrote: % Can anybody tell me if F1 2000 is worth buying because I've heard some % people saying it is a load of crap. Only if you have the option to return it for a cash refund.... This one is getting mixed reviews.... some like it despite its many flaws while others are giving it 2 thumbs down.... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

"Willis" <[email hidden]> wrote > Can anybody tell me if F1 2000 is worth buying because I've heard some > people saying it is a load of crap. If all you ever do is hotlapping, and don't care much about bad track accuracy, then I'll say it's the best of any F1 game to date (since Gp2 is outdated in terms of graphics, and only graphics, but still an important part). But is the best of the worst worth it? Not at the current cost I would say. Probably when it's a little lower, and we can see how the support from EA/ISI will be. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote > But you don't own it, do you, Frank? Let's not go into this another time. There is no difference of the actual game capabilities between the final version found on the net and the one in the box. A good portion of the reviews here since it's been released have been from either version, and a good portion of this NG I would say will accept a illegal review of a software. It was done for about every title for the last 2years. It's the way people have agreed in majority on this newsgroup that NFS:PU is a great title. Same for SBK. Same for GPL. Same for GP500. Same for <insert X title>. Who knows? I might have raced it all weekend long at X's house who owns it. You shouldn't care at all about this. In fact, if I see quality support by ISI for patching the title and a good price drop, I will buy it. The bad track accuracy has killed the excitement for me, and at a lesser extent the questionable physics and AI problems. But all those things can be fixed, and I hope will be. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

First of all, you have no point in which to stand on whatever I have or not played an official version of F1 2000. So to refresh your memory, I rewrite it : "Who knows? I might have raced it all weekend long at X's house who owns it. You shouldn't care at all about this." This is all you have to know. In no point you should extrapolate that I have not raced the official version, because you simply don't know. Whatever the point, why aren't you attacking other people, a good portion actually of this newsgroup who did the same. I can see dozens of reports of the F1 2000 in both beta and full version, all of them being the illegal version. Why do you care about what I say but not them? What about everybody just this week who tried NFS:SU, btw which I did not tried, because it's not my type of racing game even if I personally feel it's a great title from all the reviews. Hmm... > >rrevved and I wrote: > >There is no difference of the actual game capabilities between the final > >version found on the net and the one in the box. > > And you know this -for sure-? If you exclude the manual, box, CD case and movie introduction, yes. > So, you won't be criticizing others for having warez anymore? > I mean, they could have just been 'racing all weekend long at X's house',right? Somehow, that would be true. If you look at my threads, I have mostly never replied against somebody who did a review of F1 2000 or any other title illegaly. If they review a title that way, I consider it correct personally, since one of their goal is to inform others and inform themselves. The only times you see me write something against is neither 1) the person wants to have it or 2) the person promotes blattently the usage of it. > Oops, I forgot. You are one of the first (and certainly the most > famous) warez dudeZ in this newsgroup. > Should I refresh your memory? Oh wow... I mean wow I posted 1 track back a couple of years ago. -wow- > So Frank, you're not racing it any more are you? I mean since > it's so bad and all, and you haven't actually bought it. > > So, you deleted it? Yep, It's not on this PC anymore. The only way I'll race it, is if I see a good improvement and support by ISI, with the correct price for what it's worth. > I guess, then, you couldnt have possibly tried out several > fixes that have come out already for the niggling problems > in F1-2000. At this point, you haven't a clue as to how it is > currently working, right? This is what this newsgroup is for. People will inform others of the improvement and support by ISI. I know who I can trust. Some people here have different views of racing simulators than I, but others have a very close opinion like me. Since I already know how the normal version is, I can make myself an idea of how the support makes the title better. Which is good no? Or is it not? I see a double standard by you. You tell me that it's somehow immoral for me to test a game which I don't own, yet you also say that I can't have a clue on how a title performs if I don't have it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

So, if you "deleted F1 2000 from your hard drive", then that means you *did* have it installed on your hard drive afterall. That doesn't discount the possibility that you may have raced a retail-bought version at "x's house". But it does give credence to your having illegally copied the warez version. Very interesting, yclinton. Veeeerrrryyy interesting. Rick ymenard wrote in message ... >First of all, you have no point in which to stand on whatever I have or not >played an official version of F1 2000. So to refresh your memory, Irewrite >it : > >"Who knows? I might have raced it all weekend long at X's house who ownsit. >You shouldn't care at all about this." > >This is all you have to know. In no point you should extrapolate that I >have not raced the official version, because you simply don't know. >Whatever the point, why aren't you attacking other people, a good portion >actually of this newsgroup who did the same. I can see dozens of reportsof

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>the F1 2000 in both beta and full version, all of them being the illegal >version. Why do you care about what I say but not them? What about >everybody just this week who tried NFS:SU, btw which I did not tried, >because it's not my type of racing game even if I personally feel it's a >great title from all the reviews. Hmm... > > >> >rrevved and I wrote: >> >There is no difference of the actual game capabilities between the final >> >version found on the net and the one in the box. >> >> And you know this -for sure-? > >If you exclude the manual, box, CD case and movie introduction, yes. > > >> So, you won't be criticizing others for having warez anymore? >> I mean, they could have just been 'racing all weekend long at X's house', >right? > >Somehow, that would be true. If you look at my threads, I have mostly

never >replied against somebody who did a review of F1 2000 or any other title >illegaly. If they review a title that way, I consider it correct >personally, since one of their goal is to inform others and inform >themselves. The only times you see me write something against is neither1)

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>the person wants to have it or 2) the person promotes blattently the usage >of it. > > > > >> Oops, I forgot. You are one of the first (and certainly the most >> famous) warez dudeZ in this newsgroup. >> Should I refresh your memory? > > >Oh wow... I mean wow I posted 1 track back a couple of years ago. -wow- > > >> So Frank, you're not racing it any more are you? I mean since >> it's so bad and all, and you haven't actually bought it. >> >> So, you deleted it? > > >Yep, It's not on this PC anymore. The only way I'll race it, is if I see a >good improvement and support by ISI, with the correct price for what it's >worth. > > > >> I guess, then, you couldnt have possibly tried out several >> fixes that have come out already for the niggling problems >> in F1-2000. At this point, you haven't a clue as to how it is >> currently working, right? > > >This is what this newsgroup is for. People will inform others of the >improvement and support by ISI. I know who I can trust. Some people here >have different views of racing simulators than I, but others have a very >close opinion like me. Since I already know how the normal version is, I >can make myself an idea of how the support makes the title better. Which

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>good no? Or is it not? I see a double standard by you. You tell me that >it's somehow immoral for me to test a game which I don't own, yet you also >say that I can't have a clue on how a title performs if I don't have it. > > > > >-- >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.WeRace.net >-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:psvD4.18857$[email hidden]... > > reviews here since it's been released have been from either version, and a > good portion of this NG I would say will accept a illegal review of a > software. It was done for about every title for the last 2years. It'sthe > way people have agreed in majority on this newsgroup that NFS:PU is agreat > title. Same for SBK. Same for GPL. Same for GP500. Same for <insert X > title>. > Just an observation, but having followed this group since 1995, F1-2000 is the first title that I recall evaluations based on warez copies. All of our GPL pre-release info came from the beta testers, or from the "legit" online magazines who received evaluation copies. Same for GP500, SBK, N3, NL etc. It seems some big switch was flipped on this particular title. Perhaps it's a result of the starvation for a decent modern F1 sim. Stephen

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote > *plonk* Good, then I'll see you in hell! -- movie quote ;) -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you...

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:55:49 -0600 rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: % I guess, then, you couldnt have possibly tried out several % fixes that have come out already for the niggling problems % in F1-2000. At this point, you haven't a clue as to how it is % currently working, right? I have the retail version and never saw the warez version. Sorry but even with the "fixes" it still needs major work.... If you enjoy it fine, but please include a caveat with your glowing reviews.... It sure needs a major cavaet (in my book). And while we are on the subject, stop trying to defend F12000 by simply attacking others.... defend the product (if it can stand it). -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

The guy (rev-ed) is just an asshole. Probably works for EA, although I'm sure he'd tell you he drives cars professionally for a living. Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7EyD4.1066$%[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:55:49 -0600 rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: > > % I guess, then, you couldnt have possibly tried out several > % fixes that have come out already for the niggling problems > % in F1-2000. At this point, you haven't a clue as to how it is > % currently working, right? > > I have the retail version and never saw the warez version. Sorry but > even with the "fixes" it still needs major work.... If you enjoy it > fine, but please include a caveat with your glowing reviews.... It sure > needs a major cavaet (in my book). > > And while we are on the subject, stop trying to defend F12000 by > simply attacking others.... defend the product (if it can stand it). > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

ymenard wrote in message ... >Hello Mr. Rick. Hi :-) >I think everybody knows the story, you don't. I know your story, it's the conflicts that have me tied up in knots. > I had it installed, everybody >knows that. Why did you thought I didn't? Because you went off on a clintonian tangent trying to use a technicallity to hide your crimes from EA (the software developer). >We weren't even talking about >that! Rrevved and I were talking about racing it now, after I took the >title out of my HD. BBBBBBut the way I understand it, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, that the crime is irreversibly commited once the program is illegally copied to your HD, independent of wheter or not you actually race the application. > Get your fact or shut up. In fact, I wonder why I never had >you kill-filed? Pity, I guess. I *do* believe I have my facts are straight. >But you have absolutely no credibility, so why should I care? If you can regain your lost credibility, then I sure can. :-) Rick Pardon my French, I'm English speaking.

version. Hello Mr. Rick. I think everybody knows the story, you don't. I had it installed, everybody knows that. Why did you thought I didn't? We weren't even talking about that! Rrevved and I were talking about racing it now, after I took the title out of my HD. Get your fact or shut up. In fact, I wonder why I never had you kill-filed? Pity, I guess.. But you have absolutely no credibility, so why should I care? -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Nor do you now ymenard.......hypocrite................. > > So, if you "deleted F1 2000 from your hard drive", then that means you > *did* > > have it installed on your hard drive afterall. That doesn't discount the

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> > possibility that you may have raced a retail-bought version at "x's > house". > > But it does give credence to your having illegally copied the warez > version. > Hello Mr. Rick. > I think everybody knows the story, you don't. I had it installed,

everybody > knows that. Why did you thought I didn't? We weren't even talking about > that! Rrevved and I were talking about racing it now, after I took the title > out of my HD. Get your fact or shut up. In fact, I wonder why I never had

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> you kill-filed? Pity, I guess.. > But you have absolutely no credibility, so why should I care? > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I don't think he's *denied* it at all. For God's sake--this has been chewed and chewed and chewed here in the ng. Frank had an issue (like many here) not with the actual d'loading, but with making the ng into a forum for explicit trading of warez sites, files, etc. Am I the only one who has noticed this? --DK "Rick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > ymenard wrote in message ... > > >Hello Mr. Rick. > > Hi :-) > > >I think everybody knows the story, you don't. > > I know your story, it's the conflicts that have me tied up in knots. > > > I had it installed, everybody > >knows that. Why did you thought I didn't? > > Because you went off on a clintonian tangent trying to use a

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> to hide your crimes from EA (the software developer). > > >We weren't even talking about > >that! Rrevved and I were talking about racing it now, after I took the > >title out of my HD. > > BBBBBBut the way I understand it, and feel free to correct me if I'm

wrong, > that the crime is irreversibly commited once the program is illegallycopied > to your HD, independent of wheter or not you actually race theapplication.

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> > > Get your fact or shut up. In fact, I wonder why I never had > >you kill-filed? Pity, I guess. > > > I *do* believe I have my facts are straight. > > >But you have absolutely no credibility, so why should I care? > > > If you can regain your lost credibility, then I sure can. :-) > > Rick > > Pardon my French, I'm English speaking. > >

The "point" your missing David is that Frank publicly criticizes everyone for looking for a "freebee" then goes and takes one himself. Then he has the balls to come on here and comment on it. On the same day he's on here calling someone a cheap bastard for looking for Pocono. I would call that a being hypocritical. I have always said I could give to shits either way but I cant stand a hypocrite. I used to respect the guy but now I see he is nothing but a two faced moron. "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bq9h3$ofo$[email hidden]... > I don't think he's *denied* it at all. For God's sake--this has beenchewed

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> and chewed and chewed here in the ng. Frank had an issue (like many here) > not with the actual d'loading, but with making the ng into a forum for > explicit trading of warez sites, files, etc. > > Am I the only one who has noticed this? > > --DK > > "Rick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > ymenard wrote in message ... > > > > >Hello Mr. Rick. > > > > Hi :-) > > > > >I think everybody knows the story, you don't. > > > > I know your story, it's the conflicts that have me tied up in knots. > > > > > I had it installed, everybody > > >knows that. Why did you thought I didn't? > > > > Because you went off on a clintonian tangent trying to use a > technicallity > > to hide your crimes from EA (the software developer). > > > > >We weren't even talking about > > >that! Rrevved and I were talking about racing it now, after I took the > > >title out of my HD. > > > > BBBBBBut the way I understand it, and feel free to correct me if I'm > wrong, > > that the crime is irreversibly commited once the program is illegally > copied > > to your HD, independent of wheter or not you actually race the > application. > > > > > Get your fact or shut up. In fact, I wonder why I never had > > >you kill-filed? Pity, I guess. > > > > > > I *do* believe I have my facts are straight. > > > > >But you have absolutely no credibility, so why should I care? > > > > > > If you can regain your lost credibility, then I sure can. :-) > > > > Rick > > > > Pardon my French, I'm English speaking. > > > > > >

"Stiff one" <[email hidden]> wrote > The "point" your missing David is that Frank publicly criticizes everyone > for looking for a "freebee" then goes and takes one himself. Then he hasthe > balls to come on here and comment on it. On the same day he's on here > calling someone a cheap bastard for looking for Pocono. Not true. I simply inform him that he can find the track in either Nascar Racing 2 or Nascar Racing : 1999 Edition on the NROS folder. Or in the case of the full version of a game, I simply tell the people to think a little. Heck the URL were plastered everywhere in this NG. Can't they simply use Deja.com? Probably too hard... It goes with my point that this NG shouldn't become a public place for illegal exchange of files or URL that points to illegal files. I know back in the old days I made the error, and I don't want this NG to become like that. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Rick" <[email hidden]> wrote > BBBBBBut the way I understand it, and feel free to correct me if I'mwrong, > that the crime is irreversibly commited once the program is illegallycopied > to your HD, independent of wheter or not you actually race theapplication. But it's not the point Rick. Im not hiding the fact (like many other people in this newsgroup) that I tried the game to get myself an opinion of how exactly the title is. I never did, but that's what you may have thought. Rrevved was asking me something around "how do you know for sure that you've raced the full version of F1 2000?" I replied that It wasn't the point of the discussion, and it's all you have to know (that I could had raced the full version anywhere, but that doesn't mean I haven't tried on my HD). > I *do* believe I have my facts are straight. Yep, we saw that about Y2k. > If you can regain your lost credibility, then I sure can. :-) Hmm, I never saw you write an informative message related to racing simulators for the past years, and when it was it implied yourself in racing seat with a harness and a helmet. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote > Just an observation, but having followed this group since 1995, F1-2000 is > the first title that I recall evaluations based on warez copies. All ofour > GPL pre-release info came from the beta testers, or from the "legit"online > magazines who received evaluation copies. Same for GP500, SBK, N3, NLetc. > It seems some big switch was flipped on this particular title. Perhapsit's > a result of the starvation for a decent modern F1 sim. It happened often in the past. A big group of people in this newsgroup actually had an early beta version of GPL. Same goes for SBK2000, or Nascar Racing 3. It just went public for F1 2000, which wasn't the best step for this NG I still say. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

ymenard wrote in message ... >Hmm, I never saw you write an informative message related to racing >simulators for the past years, and when it was it implied yourself inracing >seat with a harness and a helmet. Enough ridicule for my racing seat, fire suit, harnesses, helmet, heaters, etc... all the while you "race" sitting in a $49.95 Office Depot(tm) swivel chair on casters. (I don't see how you can manage to do it with that thing rolling around, winding, turning, squeaking, creaking, tilting...and the uggghhh...ARM RESTS???) Be aware that I'm not alone as you have people here spending thousands of dollars to put an almost *real* race car -- sans tyres -- into thier living rooms! Jeeezz, at least I can hide my stuff for when normyl people stop by to visit. FYI: I no longer race with my harnesses since I've reinstalled them back into my street stock, as I'm in the midst of preparing my ride for racing in the famous "World Class Street Stocks" divsion on the half-mile oval at Devils Bowl Speedway in Mesquite Texas this summer. It's gonna be a banner year. Rick

No Stiffff, No. No, he criticizes them for looking for it *here.* HERE. There's a difference there, but I'm growing less and less confident in my ability to convince you. I really don't think you get it, but I'm tired of trying to delineate that distinction. Some would call it a fine one--I admit that--but . . . Oh, I give up. DK > "Stiff one" <[email hidden]> wrote > > The "point" your missing David is that Frank publicly criticizeseveryone > > for looking for a "freebee" then goes and takes one himself. Then he has > the > > balls to come on here and comment on it. On the same day he's on here > > calling someone a cheap bastard for looking for Pocono. >

"Rick" <[email hidden]> wrote > Enough ridicule for my racing seat, fire suit, harnesses, helmet, heaters, > etc... all the while you "race" sitting in a $49.95 Office Depot(tm)swivel > chair on casters. How the heck do you know? Oh another ASSumption by Mr. Rick. Have you polled this newsgroup to find out on what we race on? Have you personally visited each and every simracer's house to see what chair type he has? You would be surprised on how many of us have car seats, racing seats or full-cockpits in this newsgroup, including me. > It's gonna be a banner year. Wasn't it the end of the world for you a couple of months ago? Ah... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

I saw F 1 2000 at Comp Usa for $19.99.

I saw F 1 2000 at Comp Usa for $19.99.