Re: GPL - why no pitting?

Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the

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> pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in > practice...? > > Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's > no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over > even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option > to start with a light fuel load...

You�re right, it is slightly annoying that you can�t pit to fix a minor thing. I do believe they did that in those days. However, AFAIK, races were run without fueling stops. They just carried enough fuel to last the entire race. Fuel strategy wasn�t invented back then - Ross Brawn would have been jobless ;-) > > Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything > for pit stops.. I believe the above to be correct - if I am not (which is frequently the case) please correct me. Soren Sarstrup Birmingham UK

In article <8bsun1$2eqo0$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Juha Kallioinen) wrote: > Others have already answered what you can't do in pits, but there is a > reason for them too. You go to your pit to suffer any penalties you > get from cutting corners during races. Really? I didn't know that. I've never got such a penalty. Do you have an example of a corner you get this in? The only time I get called into the pit is when I jumped the start. BTW, anyone know what the penalty for jumping the start is? Do I have to wait a certain time or do I have to wait until the whole field has passed me so I'm last? Haven't figured this one out. Cheers, /Martin Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in practice...? Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option to start with a light fuel load... Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything for pit stops..

Unfortunately pitting is simply not possible in GPL. One of the most missed things in GPL I guess... Andre On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:32:16 GMT, [email hidden] (Benjamin) wrote:

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>Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the >pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in >practice...? > >Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's >no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over >even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option >to start with a light fuel load... > >Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything >for pit stops.. > >

David Karr wrote ... But a damn good one :-)

LOL! joked about the astronauts looking in terror at

In article <[email hidden]>, Benjamin <[email hidden]> wrote: >Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the >pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in >practice...? Others have already answered what you can't do in pits, but there is a reason for them too. You go to your pit to suffer any penalties you get from cutting corners during races. -Juha -- //[email hidden]

Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled around a late-60s F1 Ferrari. When I have a repairable incident, I drive slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter, jiggle it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R. Flintstone's technology, but it works. . . --DK PS The above is of course, a bald lie. "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Benjamin, this very subject has been bandied around here for the past two > years......don't get me wrong, please, I'm not having a shot at you fornot > knowing that!! > > But it was very irritating to find that pitting was not available because, > back Then, pitting was more common than you would believe unless youchecked

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> the statictics. If drivers weren't pitting for tyres (very unusual unless > An Incident had occurred) they were pitting for Things To Be > Fixed...suspensions, electrics, brakes, oil, fuel, brake fluid, etc. > > So to answer your question, "yes", pitting WAS a common aspect of > GPs....way, way before the pitstop became mandatory. And it is irritating > that this feature is not available and that when you do suffer a bent > suspension rod or a puncture you can't have it attended to and continue

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> chase. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Benjamin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the > > pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in > > practice...? > > > > Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's > > no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over > > even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option > > to start with a light fuel load... > > > > Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything > > for pit stops.. > > > > > >

David Karr wrote ...

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> Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled > around a late-60s F1 Ferrari. When I have a repairable incident, I drive > slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter, jiggle > it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R. > > Flintstone's technology, but it works. . . > > PS The above is of course, a bald lie.

But a damn good one :-)

ROFL Don Jennings wrote in message ... >David Karr wrote ... >> Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled >> around a late-60s F1 Ferrari. When I have a repairable incident, I drive >> slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter,jiggle

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>> it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R. >> >> Flintstone's technology, but it works. . . >> >> PS The above is of course, a bald lie. > >But a damn good one :-) > >

No there was never pit stops but since I have to say something bad about GPL........ .... it was sorta a cheap way out of doing o work on the pits, there cold at least be a few men when penalties are about and I'm sure that even if you were 20 odd laps down they'd at least attempt to fix your car. It was the norm at the time, or am I way off as usual?

Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > An Incident had occurred) they were pitting for Things To Be > Fixed...suspensions, electrics, brakes, oil, fuel, brake fluid, etc. > In the late 60's everyone joked about the astronauts looking in terror at their gauges and seeing "Electrics by Lucas" Slot

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:40:47 GMT, Martin Granberg <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Really? I didn't know that. I've never got such a penalty. Do you have >an example of a corner you get this in? > >The only time I get called into the pit is when I jumped the start. > >BTW, anyone know what the penalty for jumping the start is? Do I have >to wait a certain time or do I have to wait until the whole field has >passed me so I'm last? Haven't figured this one out. >

I know you can cut Adenauer-Forst at the 'Ring (that really slow right, so-sharp-if-i-dont-hear-tire-squeal-from-braking-or-gassing-i-know-i'm-in-trouble left, right at the top of the hill after the first bridge) enough to get a penalty, I know there are turns at Zandvoort that can be cut, probably just about any of the tracks The penalty for both cutting a corner and jumping the start is an automatic DQ - no appeal, yer done, go home.....

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:17:50 -0600, "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled >around a late-60s F1 Ferrari. When I have a repairable incident, I drive >slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter, jiggle >it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R. > >Flintstone's technology, but it works. . . > > >--DK >

LMeverlovingAO - now there's an idea I hadn't thought of - maybe a tv/vcr with a tape of a pitstop that I could play so as to have sounds and everything..... yeah, that'll work...

GraDee wrote in message <8btdpu$b3s$[email hidden]>... >No there was never pit stops but since I have to say something bad about >GPL........ > >.... it was sorta a cheap way out of doing o work on the pits, there coldat >least be a few men when penalties are about and I'm sure that even if you >were 20 odd laps down they'd at least attempt to fix your car. It was the >norm at the time, or am I way off as usual? >Not at all. I believe at one race in 67, Graham Hill had a new BATTERY fitted- during the race!

The penalty for these situations is not "an automatic DQ". Instead, you get black-flagged and your pitboard will show the message "Pit In". You then enter the pits, stop in your slot and wait for the board with your name on it to disappear. You have then served your time penalty and may proceed with the race. "Benjamin" wrote: > The penalty for both cutting a corner and jumping the start is an > automatic DQ - no appeal, yer done, go home.....

Pits did happen, but were for problems only... Look at Jim Clark's '67 Monza race!!! Many considered that to be his greatest race...guy jumps out to a huge lead, gets a flat tire, loses a lap in the process, gains it back, regains the lead, and runs out of gas coming out of Parabolica on the last lap...now THAT is sad! Too bad they didn't dump in an extra drop of gas in that Lotus when they changed that flat!! -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA" Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Unfortunately pitting is simply not possible in GPL. > One of the most missed things in GPL I guess... > > Andre > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:32:16 GMT, [email hidden] (Benjamin) wrote: > > >Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the > >pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in > >practice...? > > > >Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's > >no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over > >even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option > >to start with a light fuel load... > > > >Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything > >for pit stops.. > > > > >

In article <8bsvnt$9kh$[email hidden]>, David Karr <[email hidden]> writes

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>Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled >around a late-60s F1 Ferrari. When I have a repairable incident, I drive >slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter, jiggle >it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R. > >Flintstone's technology, but it works. . . > > >--DK > > > > >PS The above is of course, a bald lie. >

Don't give us that, it's all true really. Admit it ya nutter!. :) Hey, I often wave at my monitor as I pass my pitboard man on my outlap, though we've never been for a friendly drink in the bar afterwards even though he seems like a decent sort. :) <snip> -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

I think you only get DQ'ed for driving the wrong way. All other penalties (jumping the start, cutting some corners too severely) are stop and go. I haven't noticed any changes after the patches. Dave Ewing Benjamin wrote:

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> never mind, I'm a moron..... just checked it and did only get a > "jumped start, wait" > > did the original version 1.0 hand out DQ - I could swear I got DQ'd > the first race I started 'cause I took off as soon as the starter > raised the green flag (didn't know I had to wait 'til he dropped it - > GREEN! I SAW GREEN, STAND ON IT!!)

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Dear Mr. Stewart, Just as a minor help to people like myself who don't use the "Follow that Thread" function, could you please just snip the pertinent bit from the post that you're commenting about? Then just paste it into your message and all will become less mysterious for me and some others. :-) Thanks. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Tony StewartNo20 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Theres also that first turn after the esses at the glen that can be cut that > acess road

Ladies and Gentlemen, Typos were added for your additional enjoyment and in-flight entertainment. We hope you enjoyed the experience and please come again. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Pleae allow me to tell you *why* they didn't, Kirk! Read on...... > > The official Lotus line at the time was that a faulty fuel pump had failed > to pick up the last 3 gallons of fuel. However, Keith Duckworth (the > "worth" part of "Cosworth") remembers it differently and states that Clark > simply ran out of fuel. > > Now *why* did he run out of fuel? One reason.....Chapman *never* allowed > more than a few extra ounces above bare minimum to be carried and in his > herculean driving effort the fuel consumption rate had increased over the > normal rate and the "few ounces extra" were insufficient. > > That this was the reason is confirmed by Allan McCall, Clark's mechanic at > the time. McCall says that Chapman always did the fuel calculations and for > Monza he decided that they only needed near enought to 31 gallons. everybody > else thought that was stupid (but didn't say so to Chapman, of course!) > McCall was asked to put 33 gallons in (by Dick Scammell) and even McCall > upped that to 36 gallons, without telling either Scammell or Chapman. > > As it turened out, evenb that extra 5 gallons was insufficient. It also > transpired that Chapman blew his top when the car ran out, accusing people > of not putting the full 31 gallons in!!! Wjhen McCall told Chapman that in > fact the car started the race with 36 gallons - five more than the Boss's > orders - he (CC) turned the air purple and told them never to do something > like that again!!! > > So that's all it was.........Clark drove so hard that he just used up all 36 > gallons which, under normal circumstances, would have got him to the finish > (just!) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Kirk Lane <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8bu0f7$i0m$[email hidden]... > > Pits did happen, but were for problems only... > > > > Look at Jim Clark's '67 Monza race!!! Many considered that to be his > > greatest race...guy jumps out to a huge lead, gets a flat tire, loses a > lap > > in the process, gains it back, regains the lead, and runs out of gas > coming > > out of Parabolica on the last lap...now THAT is sad! Too bad they didn't > > dump in an extra drop of gas in that Lotus when they changed that flat!! > > > > > >

Richard G Clegg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bvd6p$3v7$[email hidden]... > > Heh - the Ring one is the one that gets me - because I don't know > the track that well, I often cut that one by mistake... what a pain. > Ah, but do we get a prize if we cut the corner while travelling backwards, 6 feet off the ground, upside down and on fire? Stephen

LMAO thats funny

Theres also that first turn after the esses at the glen that can be cut that acess road

LOL! "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Q3rE4.3729$[email hidden]...> In the late 60's everyone joked about the astronauts looking in terror at > their gauges and seeing "Electrics by Lucas" > > > Slot

Benjamin, this very subject has been bandied around here for the past two years......don't get me wrong, please, I'm not having a shot at you for not knowing that!! But it was very irritating to find that pitting was not available because, back Then, pitting was more common than you would believe unless you checked the statictics. If drivers weren't pitting for tyres (very unusual unless An Incident had occurred) they were pitting for Things To Be Fixed...suspensions, electrics, brakes, oil, fuel, brake fluid, etc. So to answer your question, "yes", pitting WAS a common aspect of GPs....way, way before the pitstop became mandatory. And it is irritating that this feature is not available and that when you do suffer a bent suspension rod or a puncture you can't have it attended to and continue the chase. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Benjamin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Am I missing something somewhere or is there simply no reason for the > pits in GPL other than to have a place to take off from in > practice...? > > Is it just an omission or did they actually never pit in '67? There's > no way to fix something as minor as a flat tire and your race is over > even though there's really no damage - and no fuel strategy, no option > to start with a light fuel load... > > Is it accurate for the time or did they just not bother with anything > for pit stops.. > >

Benjamin <[email hidden]> wrote: : On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:40:47 GMT, Martin Granberg : <[email hidden]> wrote: :>Really? I didn't know that. I've never got such a penalty. Do you have :>an example of a corner you get this in? :> :>The only time I get called into the pit is when I jumped the start. :> :>BTW, anyone know what the penalty for jumping the start is? Do I have :>to wait a certain time or do I have to wait until the whole field has :>passed me so I'm last? Haven't figured this one out. :> : I know you can cut Adenauer-Forst at the 'Ring (that really slow : right, : so-sharp-if-i-dont-hear-tire-squeal-from-braking-or-gassing-i-know- : i'm-in-trouble left, right at the top of the hill after the first : bridge) enough to get a penalty, I know there are turns at Zandvoort : that can be cut, probably just about any of the tracks Heh - the Ring one is the one that gets me - because I don't know the track that well, I often cut that one by mistake... what a pain. There are almost certainly no cuttable corners at Monza :-) -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

LMAO thats funny

Pleae allow me to tell you *why* they didn't, Kirk! Read on...... The official Lotus line at the time was that a faulty fuel pump had failed to pick up the last 3 gallons of fuel. However, Keith Duckworth (the "worth" part of "Cosworth") remembers it differently and states that Clark simply ran out of fuel. Now *why* did he run out of fuel? One reason.....Chapman *never* allowed more than a few extra ounces above bare minimum to be carried and in his herculean driving effort the fuel consumption rate had increased over the normal rate and the "few ounces extra" were insufficient. That this was the reason is confirmed by Allan McCall, Clark's mechanic at the time. McCall says that Chapman always did the fuel calculations and for Monza he decided that they only needed near enought to 31 gallons. everybody else thought that was stupid (but didn't say so to Chapman, of course!) McCall was asked to put 33 gallons in (by*** Scammell) and even McCall upped that to 36 gallons, without telling either Scammell or Chapman. As it turened out, evenb that extra 5 gallons was insufficient. It also transpired that Chapman blew his top when the car ran out, accusing people of not putting the full 31 gallons in!!! Wjhen McCall told Chapman that in fact the car started the race with 36 gallons - five more than the Boss's orders - he (CC) turned the air purple and told them never to do something like that again!!! So that's all it was.........Clark drove so hard that he just used up all 36 gallons which, under normal circumstances, would have got him to the finish (just!) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. ---------------------------

You wait until the board in front of your face disappears, Martin. I'm pretty sure that is until the last car passes you. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Martin Granberg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bt14t$q2e$[email hidden]... > In article <8bsun1$2eqo0$[email hidden]>, > > > BTW, anyone know what the penalty for jumping the start is? Do I have > to wait a certain time or do I have to wait until the whole field has > passed me so I'm last? Haven't figured this one out. > > Cheers, > > /Martin > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:34:37 GMT, "Stephen Warrior" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The penalty for these situations is not "an automatic DQ". Instead, you get >black-flagged and your pitboard will show the message "Pit In". You then >enter the pits, stop in your slot and wait for the board with your name on >it to disappear. You have then served your time penalty and may proceed >with the race. > wow, does it depend on whether you're running intermediate or gp? If I jump the start (gp), they tell me to pit in, and when I do, it says DQ

never mind, I'm a moron..... just checked it and did only get a "jumped start, wait" did the original version 1.0 hand out DQ - I could swear I got DQ'd the first race I started 'cause I took off as soon as the starter raised the green flag (didn't know I had to wait 'til he dropped it - GREEN! I SAW GREEN, STAND ON IT!!)

David Karr wrote: > > Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled > around a late-60s F1 Ferrari. When I have a repairable incident, I drive > slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter, jiggle > it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R. > Where a crane then picks up your car from your pit and dumps you on the track, possibly in front of an approaching car. Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Venkatesh | ([email hidden] -44-1279-403486) Nortel, London Road, Harlow, Essex. CM17 9NA

Pleae allow me to tell you *why* they didn't, Kirk! Read on...... The official Lotus line at the time was that a faulty fuel pump had failed to pick up the last 3 gallons of fuel. However, Keith Duckworth (the "worth" part of "Cosworth") remembers it differently and states that Clark simply ran out of fuel. Now *why* did he run out of fuel? One reason.....Chapman *never* allowed more than a few extra ounces above bare minimum to be carried and in his herculean driving effort the fuel consumption rate had increased over the normal rate and the "few ounces extra" were insufficient. That this was the reason is confirmed by Allan McCall, Clark's mechanic at the time. McCall says that Chapman always did the fuel calculations and for Monza he decided that they only needed near enought to 31 gallons. everybody else thought that was stupid (but didn't say so to Chapman, of course!) McCall was asked to put 33 gallons in (by Dick Scammell) and even McCall upped that to 36 gallons, without telling either Scammell or Chapman. As it turened out, evenb that extra 5 gallons was insufficient. It also transpired that Chapman blew his top when the car ran out, accusing people of not putting the full 31 gallons in!!! Wjhen McCall told Chapman that in fact the car started the race with 36 gallons - five more than the Boss's orders - he (CC) turned the air purple and told them never to do something like that again!!! So that's all it was.........Clark drove so hard that he just used up all 36 gallons which, under normal circumstances, would have got him to the finish (just!) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Kirk Lane <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bu0f7$i0m$[email hidden]... > Pits did happen, but were for problems only... > > Look at Jim Clark's '67 Monza race!!! Many considered that to be his > greatest race...guy jumps out to a huge lead, gets a flat tire, loses a lap > in the process, gains it back, regains the lead, and runs out of gas coming > out of Parabolica on the last lap...now THAT is sad! Too bad they didn't > dump in an extra drop of gas in that Lotus when they changed that flat!! > >

What on earth were a British company doing supplying electrics for the American space programme? I do recall Mr. Armstrong stating at a seminar I attended that there was a bit of concern in the Apollo 11 capsule when Aldrin said "Do you realise that we are sitting at the top of what has all been put together by the lowest tenderers?" Now THAT'S a pithy statement!!!! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- David Karr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bu89r$lv2$[email hidden]... > LOL! > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Q3rE4.3729$[email hidden]...> In the late 60's everyone > joked about the astronauts looking in terror at > > their gauges and seeing "Electrics by Lucas" > > > > > > Slot > > >

Paul, You left out the "lie" part. DK "Venkatesh, Paul [HAL02:HQ12:EXCH]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David Karr wrote: > > > > Next to my computer, I keep a monitor-sized picture of a "crew" huddled > > around a late-60s F1 Ferrari. When I have a repairable incident, Idrive > > slowly back to the pits, slap that picture in front of the moniter,jiggle

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> > it around "NYPD Blue"-style, whistle for a bit, and then hit Shift-R. > > > Where a crane then picks up your car from your pit and dumps you on the > track, possibly in front of an approaching car. > > Paul > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Paul Venkatesh | ([email hidden] -44-1279-403486) > Nortel, London Road, Harlow, Essex. CM17 9NA

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What on earth were a British company doing supplying electrics for the > American space programme? > Of course, they didn't. It was just a joke slamming Lucas Electrics at the time. My personal experience with British cars I owned at the time with Lucas electrics wasn't that bad, only one electircal fire, and everything else seemed to work okay after a well placed thump every now and again. Not really bad compared to the Italian counterparts of the time. Slot

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> > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Q3rE4.3729$[email hidden]...> In the late 60's > everyone > > joked about the astronauts looking in terror at > > > their gauges and seeing "Electrics by Lucas" > > > > > > > > > Slot > > > > > > > >

On Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:40:03 -0500, "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Of course, they didn't. It was just a joke slamming Lucas Electrics at the >time. My favorite British sportscar bumper stickers: "Why do the British like warm beer? They all have Lucas refrigerators!" "Lucas --- Prince of Darkness" "The parts falling off this car are of the finest British manufacture." "Help stamp out tall dogs!" All in fun! <g> (former owner of two Mk 1 "bugeye" sprites and two Mk1. MG Midgets... I honestly don't know what came over me!) Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

Phew! I thought I was pretty "up" on the US space prog of the 1960s and had never heard a thing about Lucas being involved. Obviously, when you stop to think about it, they weren't. :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- GTX_SlotCar <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:phsF4.4296$[email hidden]... > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What on earth were a British company doing supplying electrics for the > > American space programme? > > > > Of course, they didn't. It was just a joke slamming Lucas Electrics at the > time. > My personal experience with British cars I owned at the time with Lucas > electrics wasn't that bad, only one electircal fire, and everything else > seemed to work okay after a well placed thump every now and again. Not > really bad compared to the Italian counterparts of the time. > > Slot > > > > > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Q3rE4.3729$[email hidden]...> In the late 60's > > everyone > > > joked about the astronauts looking in terror at > > > > their gauges and seeing "Electrics by Lucas" > > > > > > > > > > > > Slot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have a (home-made) sticker in the rear window of my MG-Y which says "The oil dripping from underneath this car has been lubricating the finest products of British craftsmanship......or what's left of them"! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:40:03 -0500, "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >Of course, they didn't. It was just a joke slamming Lucas Electrics at the > >time. > > My favorite British sportscar bumper stickers: > > "Why do the British like warm beer? > They all have Lucas refrigerators!" > > "Lucas --- Prince of Darkness" > > "The parts falling off this car are of the finest British > manufacture." > > "Help stamp out tall dogs!" > > All in fun! <g> (former owner of two Mk 1 "bugeye" sprites and two > Mk1. MG Midgets... I honestly don't know what came over me!) > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL

And so did his car <G> MS

> > The penalty for both cutting a corner and jumping the start is an > automatic DQ - no appeal, yer done, go home..... No it isn't. Both require you to pit in and serve a time penalty. You only usually get a DQ for reversing on the track. Of course, it's possible to get a DQ if you fail to serve your pitstip at the correct place. IE, your own stall in front of your pit board. MS

> > > Not at all. I believe at one race in 67, Graham Hill had a new BATTERY > fitted- during the race! > And so did his car <G> MS

The worst one for me is T1 at Mexico. ms This is designed for such a function "Richard G Clegg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bvd6p$3v7$[email hidden]...

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> Benjamin <[email hidden]> wrote: > : On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:40:47 GMT, Martin Granberg > : <[email hidden]> wrote: > > :>Really? I didn't know that. I've never got such a penalty. Do you have > :>an example of a corner you get this in? > :> > :>The only time I get called into the pit is when I jumped the start. > :> > :>BTW, anyone know what the penalty for jumping the start is? Do I have > :>to wait a certain time or do I have to wait until the whole field has > :>passed me so I'm last? Haven't figured this one out. > :> > > : I know you can cut Adenauer-Forst at the 'Ring (that really slow > : right, > : so-sharp-if-i-dont-hear-tire-squeal-from-braking-or-gassing-i-know- > : i'm-in-trouble left, right at the top of the hill after the first > : bridge) enough to get a penalty, I know there are turns at Zandvoort > : that can be cut, probably just about any of the tracks > > Heh - the Ring one is the one that gets me - because I don't know > the track that well, I often cut that one by mistake... what a pain. > > There are almost certainly no cuttable corners at Monza :-) > > -- > Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving > Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group > Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York > UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

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> >> > >> Not at all. I believe at one race in 67, Graham Hill had a new BATTERY >> fitted- during the race! >> > >And so did his car <G> > >MS > >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>As it turened out, evenb that extra 5 gallons was insufficient. It also >transpired that Chapman blew his top when the car ran out, accusing people >of not putting the full 31 gallons in!!! Wjhen McCall told Chapman that in >fact the car started the race with 36 gallons - five more than the Boss's >orders - he (CC) turned the air purple and told them never to do something >like that again!!! > >So that's all it was.........Clark drove so hard that he just used up all 36 >gallons which, under normal circumstances, would have got him to the finish >(just!)

Interesting info - thanks! I *love* stores like this...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

It's the human face of F1, I suppose....makes we mere mortals realise that even geniuses (geneii?) like CC were total pricks at times. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >As it turened out, evenb that extra 5 gallons was insufficient. It also > >transpired that Chapman blew his top when the car ran out, accusing people > >of not putting the full 31 gallons in!!! Wjhen McCall told Chapman that in > >fact the car started the race with 36 gallons - five more than the Boss's > >orders - he (CC) turned the air purple and told them never to do something > >like that again!!! > > > >So that's all it was.........Clark drove so hard that he just used up all 36 > >gallons which, under normal circumstances, would have got him to the finish > >(just!) > > Interesting info - thanks! > I *love* stores like this...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.