Re: Way Off Topic-Lord British leaves Origin

On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:34:22 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: >--------- > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST I'm sure he'll do fine. There are probably plenty of jobs for a man who wears a hat with a feather in it and leotards. Tim

I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by EA. I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will recognize the symptons. --------- Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the Ultima series, his contributions to the company and to the gaming industry as a whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin wish him success in any future endeavors. Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. ---------- dave henrie

So now you have a "feeling", Dave? A bit different to a broad "stabbed in the back" statement, is it not?! Don't draw the conclusion that because one leaves a company (or business) that one started (or helped start) that one is automatically getting the rough end of the pineapple. It quite often works out the other way, mate. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hmmm, you start a company. You sell the company, you "quote" leave > the company. I get the feeling PUSHED by EA. I think I combined a > couple of sites inferences. > dave henrie > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he was > > stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if > > harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. > > > Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so > > > very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by > > > EA. > > > I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will > > > recognize the symptons. > > > > > > --------- > > > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST > > > It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems > > > to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 > > > years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top > > > entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the Ultima > > > series, his contributions to the company and to the gaming industry as a > > > whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. > > > Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin > > > wish him success in any future endeavors. > > > > > > Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, > > > as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. > > > ---------- > > > dave henrie

Thank you for thgat insight, Theron. Appreciated in light of my response to Dave. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- tbretz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jXbF4.1$[email hidden]... > I am somewhat acquainted with Richard Garriott, which is not to say he's a > friend, or that we hang out or anything of the sort. I have several friends > in Austin who have known him since before Ultima Two, as well as many > friends who work or have worked for Origin in the past. My understanding is > that for the past few years, his involvement with the company outside of > conceptualizing for Ultima was, frankly, minimal, and, frankly, his own > choice. The buyout was Origins' idea, mind you, to take the day-to-day > business aspects of the company out of Richard's hands so that he could > focus on design work. My own unconfirmed opinion is that he got tired of > even this minimal involvement, which was largely being an "idea hamster" and > public-relations figure, and decided to retire. > > Of course this is only semi-educated speculation, I could be wrong. > Origin/EA has a terrible track record when it comes to employment practices, > so anything's possible. > > Theron Bretz > Houston, TX > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hmmm, you start a company. You sell the company, you "quote" leave > > the company. I get the feeling PUSHED by EA. I think I combined a > > couple of sites inferences. > > dave henrie > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he > was > > > stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if > > > harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. > > > > Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so > > > > very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by > > > > EA. > > > > I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will > > > > recognize the symptons. > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST > > > > It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems > > > > to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 > > > > years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top > > > > entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the > Ultima > > > > series, his contributions to the company and to the gaming industry as > a > > > > whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. > > > > Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin > > > > wish him success in any future endeavors. > > > > > > > > Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, > > > > as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. > > > > ---------- > > > > dave henrie > >

Hmmm, you start a company. You sell the company, you "quote" leave the company. I get the feeling PUSHED by EA. I think I combined a couple of sites inferences. dave henrie Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he was > stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if > harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. > > Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so > > very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by > > EA. > > I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will > > recognize the symptons. > > > > --------- > > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST > > It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems > > to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 > > years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top > > entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the Ultima > > series, his contributions to the company and to the gaming industry as a > > whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. > > Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin > > wish him success in any future endeavors. > > > > Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, > > as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. > > ---------- > > dave henrie

I am somewhat acquainted with Richard Garriott, which is not to say he's a friend, or that we hang out or anything of the sort. I have several friends in Austin who have known him since before Ultima Two, as well as many friends who work or have worked for Origin in the past. My understanding is that for the past few years, his involvement with the company outside of conceptualizing for Ultima was, frankly, minimal, and, frankly, his own choice. The buyout was Origins' idea, mind you, to take the day-to-day business aspects of the company out of Richard's hands so that he could focus on design work. My own unconfirmed opinion is that he got tired of even this minimal involvement, which was largely being an "idea hamster" and public-relations figure, and decided to retire. Of course this is only semi-educated speculation, I could be wrong. Origin/EA has a terrible track record when it comes to employment practices, so anything's possible. Theron Bretz Houston, TX Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hmmm, you start a company. You sell the company, you "quote" leave > the company. I get the feeling PUSHED by EA. I think I combined a > couple of sites inferences. > dave henrie > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he

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> > stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if > > harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. > > > Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so > > > very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by > > > EA. > > > I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will > > > recognize the symptons. > > > > > > --------- > > > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST > > > It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems > > > to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 > > > years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top > > > entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the

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> > > whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. > > > Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin > > > wish him success in any future endeavors. > > > > > > Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, > > > as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. > > > ---------- > > > dave henrie

naw... :) It seems to me Origin w/o Garriot is a crime. So whatever reason they two parties split it "seems" wrong so I can yell bloody murder and not feel too bad about it. Of course this comes from the land that elects crooks for Presidents. dave henrie btw tbretz's comments do shed more light on the topic. You two are probably right. (thunk...ughhhhnnnnnn) ;> Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > So now you have a "feeling", Dave? A bit different to a broad "stabbed in > the back" statement, is it not?! > > Don't draw the conclusion that because one leaves a company (or business) > that one started (or helped start) that one is automatically getting the > rough end of the pineapple. It quite often works out the other way, mate. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hmmm, you start a company. You sell the company, you "quote" leave > > the company. I get the feeling PUSHED by EA. I think I combined a > > couple of sites inferences. > > dave henrie > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he > was > > > stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if > > > harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. > > > > Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so > > > > very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by > > > > EA. > > > > I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will > > > > recognize the symptons. > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST > > > > It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems > > > > to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 > > > > years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top > > > > entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the > Ultima > > > > series, his contributions to the company and to the gaming industry as > a > > > > whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. > > > > Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin > > > > wish him success in any future endeavors. > > > > > > > > Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, > > > > as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. > > > > ---------- > > > > dave henrie

Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he was stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. ---------------------------

Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he was stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. > Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so > very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by > EA. > I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will > recognize the symptons. > > --------- > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST > It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems > to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 > years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top > entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the Ultima > series, his contributions to the company and to the gaming industry as a > whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. > Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin > wish him success in any future endeavors. > > Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, > as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. > ---------- > dave henrie

On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 01:05:19 GMT, "tbretz" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I am somewhat acquainted with Richard Garriott, which is not to say he's a >friend, or that we hang out or anything of the sort. I have several friends >in Austin who have known him since before Ultima Two, as well as many >friends who work or have worked for Origin in the past. My understanding is >that for the past few years, his involvement with the company outside of >conceptualizing for Ultima was, frankly, minimal, and, frankly, his own >choice. The buyout was Origins' idea, mind you, to take the day-to-day >business aspects of the company out of Richard's hands so that he could >focus on design work. My own unconfirmed opinion is that he got tired of >even this minimal involvement, which was largely being an "idea hamster" and >public-relations figure, and decided to retire.

Yes maybe, but keep in mind that 20 other OSI employees got 'retired' with him. Of course he didn't have much influence over the last couple of years anymore but I guess this time it's been more his rather 'weird' ideas he came up with lately that probably caused EA to pull the plug, especially in light of their 'Origin goes online only' focus. --Tel

Well Bruce two things that sorta tie this back to RAS. Avault.com has a rebuttal by Origin. They too make it sound like both LB and EA had different views of the future. So I guess we can say the split was mutual. But here is what bothers me. Andy Hollis has not been mentioned at all, but I'm concerned for his future, (and this is what impacts RAS) AH has become the Lord God King of flight sim Publishers.(his early work goes back to the C-64 with Sid Meir.) Longbow, Longbow2, F15IIISE etc were his babies and they mainly focused on the higher end single sim products.(in other words, not the arcade mass market stuff that the other group at Origin was producing) A-10 Warthog was cancelled even tho it was in the final stages of production. F18 will probably be the last SERIOUS(read gpl level) sim from EA/Origin. Andy Hollis was re-assigned to look at producing a Wing Commander Massively Multiplayer title. That title and about 20 other Origin employees have been axed(avault.com) I'm assuming he's toast also. So we see another totally separate computer game area that is suffering from poor sales in the higher end of the product line. If the Racing Sim area suffers a similar cutdown, will we ever see a Quality high end product again? I'll be the first to admit the quality level of the lower class sims has increased greatly, and we might compare Porche Unleashed with the last few USAF products and say the ARCADE level of sim is improving too. But I think we are an industry in decline and the spendy time-consuming products get the axe first. This does not fill me with hope for the future of Sim Racing(back on topic...finally!) dave henrie Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > naw... :) It seems to me Origin w/o Garriot is a crime. So > whatever reason they two parties split it "seems" wrong so I can yell > bloody murder and not feel too bad about it. Of course this comes from > the land that elects crooks for Presidents. > dave henrie > btw tbretz's comments do shed more light on the topic. You two are > probably right. (thunk...ughhhhnnnnnn) ;> > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > So now you have a "feeling", Dave? A bit different to a broad "stabbed in > > the back" statement, is it not?! > > > > Don't draw the conclusion that because one leaves a company (or business) > > that one started (or helped start) that one is automatically getting the > > rough end of the pineapple. It quite often works out the other way, mate. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hmmm, you start a company. You sell the company, you "quote" leave > > > the company. I get the feeling PUSHED by EA. I think I combined a > > > couple of sites inferences. > > > dave henrie > > > > > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > > > > > Just a tick, Dave....how do you infer from that press statement that he > > was > > > > stabbed in the back? I would really like to know as these powers, if > > > > harnessed correctly, could only benefit the rest of mankind. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > I sold my Amiga to get a crummy PC that would play Wing Commander. > > > > > Now, years later, I'm still bitter about that, but the pc has come so > > > > > very far, I can forgive. But this news....what a stab in the back by > > > > > EA. > > > > > I guess we who have seen Papy swallowed by Sierra et al. will > > > > > recognize the symptons. > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > Richard Garriott Leaves Origin Systems Mar 30 2000 5:50PM CST > > > > > It was announced today that Richard Garriott is leaving Origin Systems > > > > > to pursue other interests. As co-founder of the company more than 15 > > > > > years ago, Richard has helped Origin to grow into one of the top > > > > > entertainment software companies in the world. As creator of the > > Ultima > > > > > series, his contributions to the company and to the gaming industry as > > a > > > > > whole are immeasurable, and he remains a friend of Origin Systems. > > > > > Richard has yet to announce his upcoming plans, however we at Origin > > > > > wish him success in any future endeavors. > > > > > > > > > > Origin will continue to support and expand the world of Ultima Online, > > > > > as well as our online worlds in development such as Ultima Online 2. > > > > > ---------- > > > > > dave henrie