F1 2k & Framerate?

Hello Have anyone else noticed that with almost everything at max. you can get double frame rate if you look backwards compare to cockpit view forward. Okay I can understand a little difference but double? This was measured with Fraps. about 30 fps forward looking and 60+ backwards (B key) Machine, own build: iPIII 450@504 128 Mb RAM Asus 6800 Pure (Geforce DDR)

On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:09:44 +0300, Magnus Olander <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hello >Have anyone else noticed that with almost everything at max. you can get >double frame rate if you look backwards compare to cockpit view forward. >Okay I can understand a little difference but double? Probably because in the rear view the mirrors are (probably) not displayed. That saves A LOT!

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>This was measured with Fraps. > >about 30 fps forward looking and 60+ backwards (B key) >Machine, own build: >iPIII 450@504 >128 Mb RAM >Asus 6800 Pure (Geforce DDR) >

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James Larson wrote: > > How do you copy copy your setup into the AI's directory? It's a little convoluted. The AI setups are in /F1 2000/Save, with a .svm extension. The only way I know of to edit them is to copy one to the /F1 2000/Save/Player (or your name) directory. When it's in that directory, you can edit it like any other setup. One odd thing about it, though, is that the 7th gear has to be set to N/A. After you've edited it and saved it, copy it back to the /F1 2000/Save directory. One other file to edit is Game.gdb in \F1 2000\Season00. It tells the AI what setup to use during qualifying, and what to use during a race, for every track. Just open it up, look toward the bottom, and you'll see how it works. Make a race setup with hard tires and a full fuel load, and a qual setup with soft tires and a small fuel load. Then copy those setups into the /F1 2000/Save directory. Enter the new setup file names for each track in game.gdb, and you're all set! Fun, eh? If anyone know a better way, please tell us. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

How do you copy copy your setup into the AI's directory? Thanks > The only 'hack' I did was copy >my setup into the AI's directory James Larson Omaha, Nebraska, USA

"\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com wrote: > > Oh noooooooo...... The bumper cam vs. dashboard view..... I know some > folks love the bumper cam, but for some, a real sim needs a proper > cockpit/dash view.... It sure does! Luckily, F1 2000 provides one of the best :) > What really bothers me about most of the "fixes" > for F1-2000 is that then generally lead to "less" of a sim (fewer > opponents, alter the grip of the track, don't use mirrors [turn your > head around instead], etc.). The same things speed up the frame rate in every other sim too, though. When GPL first came out, I ran in 512x384 with 5 AI opponents, because that's all a K6-233 could manage. The mirror problem is caused by the fact that you can't turn off textures in the mirror. I don't even run in GPL today with as much detail as F12K has on it's lowest detail setting. I sure hope ISI will provide another lower detail setting. I think I am changing my mind about lowering the grip settings, too, because with lower grip, there is no way you can go 20 laps in a race. Tire wear is modelled better in F12K than in any sim I've ever seen. > F1-2000 seems more of a hacker's dream than a sim-pilot's dream. I don't know. I just ran my first 100% length GP at Interlagos and it was one of the most enjoyable offline races I've ever had. The only 'hack' I did was copy my setup into the AI's directory - that makes a lot of difference! Oh, and by the way, it was at 1024x768, with plenty of details turned on. I did leave the mirrors turned off. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

Also, the virtual cockpit takes up a lot as well. Change your view to the front camera that doesn't have anything (nose etc), which is the same view as looking backwards but forwards (duh :), and you'll see that same fps boost. -Adam Zerlin "Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:09:44 +0300, Magnus Olander <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hello > >Have anyone else noticed that with almost everything at max. you can get > >double frame rate if you look backwards compare to cockpit view forward. > >Okay I can understand a little difference but double? > > Probably because in the rear view the mirrors are (probably) not > displayed. That saves A LOT! > > >This was measured with Fraps. > > > >about 30 fps forward looking and 60+ backwards (B key) > >Machine, own build: > >iPIII 450@504 > >128 Mb RAM > >Asus 6800 Pure (Geforce DDR) > > > > Ruud van Gaal > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:50:10 GMT zerlin <[email hidden]> wrote: % Also, the virtual cockpit takes up a lot as well. Change your view to the % front camera that doesn't have anything (nose etc), which is the same view % as looking backwards but forwards (duh :), and you'll see that same fps % boost. Oh noooooooo...... The bumper cam vs. dashboard view..... I know some folks love the bumper cam, but for some, a real sim needs a proper cockpit/dash view.... What really bothers me about most of the "fixes" for F1-2000 is that then generally lead to "less" of a sim (fewer opponents, alter the grip of the track, don't use mirrors [turn your head around instead], etc.). F1-2000 seems more of a hacker's dream than a sim-pilot's dream. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Also, the virtual***pit takes up a lot as well. Change your view to the front camera that doesn't have anything (nose etc), which is the same view as looking backwards but forwards (duh :), and you'll see that same fps boost. -Adam Zerlin

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> >Hello > >Have anyone else noticed that with almost everything at max. you can get > >double frame rate if you look backwards compare to***pit view forward. > >Okay I can understand a little difference but double? > Probably because in the rear view the mirrors are (probably) not > displayed. That saves A LOT! > >This was measured with Fraps. > >about 30 fps forward looking and 60+ backwards (B key) > >Machine, own build: > >128 Mb RAM > >Asus 6800 Pure (Geforce DDR) > Ruud van Gaal > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

ymenard wrote:

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> > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > "\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com wrote: > > > Oh noooooooo...... The bumper cam vs. dashboard view..... I know some > > > folks love the bumper cam, but for some, a real sim needs a proper > > > cockpit/dash view.... > > > > It sure does! Luckily, F1 2000 provides one > > of the best :) > > I'll disagree with that. Having sit in a Formula One, let me tell you that > it's impossible that you can see that amount of tyres on both sides. Your > vision is incredibly cut out by the cockpit sides. And Im 6 feet tall <g>

I wasn't talking about the 'view', I was talking about the implementation of the cockpit. There is no other 3D cockpit available today except for GPL (oh, wait, SODA has one too). It is, therefore, the second or third best cockpit view available today. According to ISI, the parts of the car that you see are the actual 3D model. How do you get more realistic than that? My guess is that they are using an inaccurate point of view, and doing a fisheye effect, to give the driver a better view of the track. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

Pat, I have tried to e-mail some new settings but you e-mail address bounced, could you drop me a line. Regards Mike Blackmore [email hidden] On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 22:25:04 -0600, Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>James Larson wrote: >> >> How do you copy copy your setup into the AI's directory? > > >It's a little convoluted. > >The AI setups are in /F1 2000/Save, with >a .svm extension. The only way I know >of to edit them is to copy one to the >/F1 2000/Save/Player (or your name) >directory. When it's in that directory, >you can edit it like any other setup. One >odd thing about it, though, is that the >7th gear has to be set to N/A. After >you've edited it and saved it, copy it >back to the /F1 2000/Save directory. > >One other file to edit is Game.gdb in >\F1 2000\Season00. It tells the AI >what setup to use during qualifying, >and what to use during a race, for >every track. Just open it up, look >toward the bottom, and you'll see how >it works. > >Make a race setup with hard tires and >a full fuel load, and a qual setup with >soft tires and a small fuel load. Then >copy those setups into the /F1 2000/Save >directory. Enter the new setup file >names for each track in game.gdb, and >you're all set! > >Fun, eh? If anyone know a better way, >please tell us.

"Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> "\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com wrote: > > > > Oh noooooooo...... The bumper cam vs. dashboard view..... I know some > > folks love the bumper cam, but for some, a real sim needs a proper > > cockpit/dash view.... > > It sure does! Luckily, F1 2000 provides one > of the best :)

I'll disagree with that. Having sit in a Formula One, let me tell you that it's impossible that you can see that amount of tyres on both sides. Your vision is incredibly cut out by the cockpit sides. And Im 6 feet tall <g> ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.