Logitech makes rhe best damn steering wheels

Hey guys, I have seen some of you asking what a good steering wheel to get is. I have had the same problem. In the last year I have been through 5 wheels. I started with the Thrustmaster SuperSport which when I got it was great.. but 2 months later and the damn pots were spiking hard. I tried to exchange it for another and the one I exchanged it for was spiking worst OUT OF THE BOX!! Anywho I then got the Interact V3... muhahahahaha... don't even THINK about buying one these plastic-Nintendo-loving-pieces-'o-crap. So then I get the Andretti wheel which I read some good reviews of. I can't really put my finger on it but it just did not feel right. Don;t get me wrong the wheel seemed smooth but the desk size it took and the oversized wheel made it difficult to use. It was a good wheel but just didn't feel right. Well.. I then see Thrustmaster has come out with a digital steering wheel. Wooohooo!! I think.. No more spiky pots since its digital. So I pick up the NASCAR Digital Pro. My God people.. what in the hell is wrong with them??? The deadzone on a DIGITAL stick?? The deadzone was about 1/2 and inch right or left! You could not adjust the deadzone any smaller. I just don't understand why they would make a digital wheel then give it a huge deadzone. I downloaded the newest drivers and it knocked the deadzone to 1/2 inch in either direction but as you RAS experts know, that's still too much play in the wheel. That is just pitiful. So since then I have been using a joystick (4 year old Thrustmaster Top Gun) and wishing I had a decent wheel. Last night I went to Best Buy and say the Logitech wheels. The Force Feedback and the Formula non force. Since I'm not a fan of Force Feedback (Kills my FPS in games) I picked up the $90 Formula wheel. It is sweet. Nice bright yellow wheel with rubber grips. Digital. The first thing I noticed I liked about this wheel is that it had no "center stop" A center stop is when the wheel has a "stop" point right in the center of the turning radius. In other words, turn the wheel full right.. then start going full left, as you get to the center you will feel a "stop" then it will continue.. I HATE that in wheels as it isn't natural or realistic of real wheels. The Microsoft wheel has it, as all the other wheels I have ever tried except for the Thrustmaster SuperSport. Well, the logitech does not have this "stop" and it feels so damn smooth. The wheel has USB OR game port which works great. The calibration set-up is smooth and flawless. I really love the pedals. They have a foot rest on the left side so you can drive one footed with the base lifting off the floor. First time I saw pedals with that big of a rest area. The profiler software is very good too as you can set up the wheel differently for every game you own and launch the game with those settings. It has software select able split or combined axis and you can set and control the buttons and shift paddles to whatever keyboard command you want. I stayed up until 6:00 am racing with this wheel and it is the best wheel I have ever laid hands on bar none. So responsive and smooth. It even works in Old DOS games perfectly. I fired up IndyCar II (DOS) and Microprose Grand Prix II last night and was blown away buy the amount of precise control I had. Best Buy has a 2 year warrantee you can buy which I did for $10 which means anytime in the next 2 years I can return the wheel to Best Buy for ANY reason and get another one for free. I asked them if they offered that for the other wheels they sold and they said the only brand they have enough confidence in to do this with is the Logitech wheels. So, for all of you folks wanted to know the best wheels you can get, get the Logitech ones. I can't praise this wheel enough. I haven't tried the FF back one so I can't honestly comment on it but if it is made with the same car as the non-FF then I say grab it. I also haven't haven;t tried the TSW or ECCI wheels which I am sure are very high quality but I personally can't see paying $300 to $1500 for a steering wheel when this baby I got right here does more than enough. Before anyone asks, no this is not an AD for Logitech. I do not work for Logitech, I do not know anyone who works for Logitech nor am I receiving anything to say the above. I just want to help those that are searching find a great deal and share my happiness in a quality product. It's not something you see much these days. - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever [email hidden] Techware Computer Services http://techware.gtinsider.com Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to: [email hidden]

On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 11:28:39 GMT, "Don Chapman" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hi James, > I have been through several wheels since 1994 - Thrustmaster(T1, T2, Nascar >Pro), TSW, Madcatz, etc. but the Logitech Formula has been great so far. I >actually have the Force Feedback version and love it for GPL. Anyway, I see >you said you were able to get your Logitech wheel working with Indycar >II(Dos version), which I have never been able to do with my wheel. Does the >Logitech Formula have a USB and gameport connection or serial port >connection? The Logitech Formula Force has a USB and Serial port connection, >not a regular gameport. Therefore, I have never been able to get it to work >with the Rendition DOS version of Indycar II. I have tried using the serial >port and the USB port, but since you have to boot to a pure DOS session to >run the Rendition version of Indycar II, I assume that is why I have never >been able to get the game to recognize the wheel. Anyway, please let me know >what port you are using for your wheel, and how you load up Indycar II to >get it to work. I have a feeling I already know the answer, but wanted to >check just in case I have been doing something wrong this whole time. Thanks >in advance! > >Don Chapman >[email hidden]

I have spent all day trying to get my LWFF to work with ICR2. I have no hair left now. I got it to work with the DOS version of ICR2 this way - 1 Create a shortcut on the desktop of win98 to the indycar.exe file adding the -h switch. 2 Under properties-program-run, choose maximised . 3 Click Advanced and tick Prevent MS-DOS programs from detecting windows. Don't tick any other box. To my surprise when I went into the calibration screen in the game it detected the wheel and calibrated it perfectly! The rendition version was a different story. I have a v1000 rendition board and could only get it to run cartrend.bat and not cartfast.bat. With the Creative drivers it only ran at about five fps and the same with rendition reference drivers v2.1. When i used the drivers that came with win98 it worked fine. I created the same shortcut for cartrend.bat and the LWFF worked but not as well as the non-rendition version. It barely registered in the calibration screen just a small range at each end of the scale. It just wasn't accurate enough in the game to use. All this without rebooting to DOS. Michael

Hi James, I have been through several wheels since 1994 - Thrustmaster(T1, T2, Nascar Pro), TSW, Madcatz, etc. but the Logitech Formula has been great so far. I actually have the Force Feedback version and love it for GPL. Anyway, I see you said you were able to get your Logitech wheel working with Indycar II(Dos version), which I have never been able to do with my wheel. Does the Logitech Formula have a USB and gameport connection or serial port connection? The Logitech Formula Force has a USB and Serial port connection, not a regular gameport. Therefore, I have never been able to get it to work with the Rendition DOS version of Indycar II. I have tried using the serial port and the USB port, but since you have to boot to a pure DOS session to run the Rendition version of Indycar II, I assume that is why I have never been able to get the game to recognize the wheel. Anyway, please let me know what port you are using for your wheel, and how you load up Indycar II to get it to work. I have a feeling I already know the answer, but wanted to check just in case I have been doing something wrong this whole time. Thanks in advance! Don Chapman [email hidden] James Wohlever <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hey guys, > > I have seen some of you asking what a good steering wheel to get is. > I have had the same problem. In the last year I have been through 5 > wheels. > > I started with the Thrustmaster SuperSport which when I got it was > great.. but 2 months later and the damn pots were spiking hard. > I tried to exchange it for another and the one I exchanged it for was > spiking worst OUT OF THE BOX!! > > Anywho I then got the Interact V3... muhahahahaha... don't even THINK > about buying one these plastic-Nintendo-loving-pieces-'o-crap. > > So then I get the Andretti wheel which I read some good reviews of. > I can't really put my finger on it but it just did not feel right. > Don;t get me wrong the wheel seemed smooth but the desk size it took > and the oversized wheel made it difficult to use. > It was a good wheel but just didn't feel right. > > Well.. I then see Thrustmaster has come out with a digital steering > wheel. > Wooohooo!! I think.. No more spiky pots since its digital. > So I pick up the NASCAR Digital Pro. > My God people.. what in the hell is wrong with them??? > The deadzone on a DIGITAL stick?? > The deadzone was about 1/2 and inch right or left! > You could not adjust the deadzone any smaller. > I just don't understand why they would make a digital wheel then > give it a huge deadzone. I downloaded the newest drivers and it > knocked the deadzone to 1/2 inch in either direction but as you RAS > experts know, that's still too much play in the wheel. > That is just pitiful. > > So since then I have been using a joystick (4 year old Thrustmaster > Top Gun) and wishing I had a decent wheel. > > Last night I went to Best Buy and say the Logitech wheels. > The Force Feedback and the Formula non force. > Since I'm not a fan of Force Feedback (Kills my FPS in games) > I picked up the $90 Formula wheel. > It is sweet. Nice bright yellow wheel with rubber grips. > Digital. > The first thing I noticed I liked about this wheel is that it had no > "center stop" > A center stop is when the wheel has a "stop" point right in the center > of the turning radius. In other words, turn the wheel full right.. > then start going full left, as you get to the center you will feel a > "stop" then it will continue.. > I HATE that in wheels as it isn't natural or realistic of real wheels. > The Microsoft wheel has it, as all the other wheels I have ever tried > except for the Thrustmaster SuperSport. > Well, the logitech does not have this "stop" and it feels so damn > smooth. > The wheel has USB OR game port which works great. The calibration > set-up is smooth and flawless. > > > I really love the pedals. They have a foot rest on the left side so > you can drive one footed with the base lifting off the floor. First > time I saw pedals with that big of a rest area. > > The profiler software is very good too as you can set up the wheel > differently for every game you own and launch the game with those > settings. > It has software select able split or combined axis and you can set and > control the buttons and shift paddles to whatever keyboard command you > want. > > I stayed up until 6:00 am racing with this wheel and it is the best > wheel I have ever laid hands on bar none. So responsive and smooth. > It even works in Old DOS games perfectly. I fired up IndyCar II (DOS) > and Microprose Grand Prix II last night and was blown away buy the > amount of precise control I had. > > Best Buy has a 2 year warrantee you can buy which I did for $10 which > means anytime in the next 2 years I can return the wheel to Best Buy > for ANY reason and get another one for free. > I asked them if they offered that for the other wheels they sold and > they said the only brand they have enough confidence in to do this > with is the Logitech wheels. > > So, for all of you folks wanted to know the best wheels you can get, > get the Logitech ones. I can't praise this wheel enough. I haven't > tried the FF back one so I can't honestly comment on it but if it is > made with the same car as the non-FF then I say grab it. > I also haven't haven;t tried the TSW or ECCI wheels which I am sure > are very high quality but I personally can't see paying $300 to $1500 > for a steering wheel when this baby I got right here does more than > enough. > > Before anyone asks, no this is not an AD for Logitech. I do not work > for Logitech, I do not know anyone who works for Logitech nor am I > receiving anything to say the above. I just want to help those that > are searching find a great deal and share my happiness in a quality > product. > It's not something you see much these days. > - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever > [email hidden] > > Techware Computer Services > http://techware.gtinsider.com > > Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to: > [email hidden]