Re: F12000: Solution to frame rate problem

On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:03:19 +0200, "A. KHAN" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have an AMD K6-2 350mhz processor, 128mb RAM, Diamond Viper 2 (s3 chipset) >with 32mb video memory, diamond sonic impact s90 (with A3d) sound card. The >game used to play slowly on my system as well, until I removed the %^$$## >A3d sound card. My framerate improved, I shit you not, by 300%. I can now >play the game with everything maxed out, with ten cars, and the game is fast >as hell. I do not want it any faster. >Maybe this helps a few people. The problem is most likely your sound card. > >

Your soundcard only supports A3D1.0 and is the original Vortex design, hence the relatively high CPU usage. I doubt anyone with a Vortex2 card will get the same benefit. Did you try turning off 3D sound (if its an option)? -- Nathan Wong [email hidden] Touring Cars World Wide http://www.touringcars.org Nafe's WWW Garage http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors V8Supercar Pick 10 http://v8sp10.nectar.com.au Competition

I have an AMD K6-2 350mhz processor, 128mb RAM, Diamond Viper 2 (s3 chipset) with 32mb video memory, diamond sonic impact s90 (with A3d) sound card. The game used to play slowly on my system as well, until I removed the %^$$## A3d sound card. My framerate improved, I shit you not, by 300%. I can now play the game with everything maxed out, with ten cars, and the game is fast as hell. I do not want it any faster. Maybe this helps a few people. The problem is most likely your sound card.

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> >I have a solution for you, find the receipt and take it back. It's >one of the worst F1 sims I've ever seen... > >I felt like I should be dropping quarters into my computer when I >played it. > >YUCK!!!!

To each his own I guess! I personally find F1 2000 to be MUCH more realistic than F1RS or MGPRS2 could ever dream to be. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrashes.cjb.net

I'm using Vortex1 card and when I turned off A3D effects, I picked up about 4-5fps, so it might be worthwhile trying * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

I have a solution for you, find the receipt and take it back. It's one of the worst F1 sims I've ever seen... I felt like I should be dropping quarters into my computer when I played it. YUCK!!!! Alphie Bailey On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:03:19 +0200, "A. KHAN" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have an AMD K6-2 350mhz processor, 128mb RAM, Diamond Viper 2 (s3 chipset) >with 32mb video memory, diamond sonic impact s90 (with A3d) sound card. The >game used to play slowly on my system as well, until I removed the %^$$## >A3d sound card. My framerate improved, I shit you not, by 300%. I can now >play the game with everything maxed out, with ten cars, and the game is fast >as hell. I do not want it any faster. >Maybe this helps a few people. The problem is most likely your sound card. >

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I have a Diamond Monster Sound Mx300 card (A3D 2.0, I think)... When I installed F12000, it didn't give me the option to enable A3D sound... the option is greyed out. Anyway, I found an INI fiole and set it on in there, but I took a big frame rate hit... i mean serious lag... slideshow almost. But it DID sound better... anyone else have any solutions for using A3D sound in F1-2000... or is it just asking too much from this game... We've already lost the mirrors... SIGH Ed Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:15:39 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > >anyone else have any solutions for using A3D sound in F1-2000... or is >it just asking too much from this game... We've already lost the >mirrors... SIGH Ed, Which drivers are you using for the MX300? The option wasn't greyed out for me, and I'm using the 2048 reference drivers. I haven't tried disabling A3D sound, but am going to now and see if I get a boost in frame rate. Andy Please use [email hidden] for all email replies

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andy) wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:15:39 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > > > >anyone else have any solutions for using A3D sound in F1-2000... oris

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> >it just asking too much from this game... We've already lost the > >mirrors... SIGH > > Ed, > Which drivers are you using for the MX300? The option wasn't greyed > out for me, and I'm using the 2048 reference drivers. I haven't tried > disabling A3D sound, but am going to now and see if I get a boost in > frame rate. > Andy > > Please use [email hidden] for all email replies >

Andy, I'm using Diamond's MX300 drivers, not the refernce drivers from A3D. The Diamond Driver I have installed are the "latest" from Diamond, which really aren't that current since S3 bought Diamond and screwed up support, IMO. May I'll try the reference drivers, as I'm pretty sure the Diamond drivers I have installed do not have DX7 support (they're DX6 i think). Let me know if turning off A3D sound helped your frame rate... cause if it does NOT help you, then maybe I have a driver problem with my MX300. Regards, Ed Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:21:32 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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> >Andy, > >I'm using Diamond's MX300 drivers, not the refernce drivers from A3D. >The Diamond Driver I have installed are the "latest" from Diamond, which >really aren't that current since S3 bought Diamond and screwed up >support, IMO. > >May I'll try the reference drivers, as I'm pretty sure the Diamond >drivers I have installed do not have DX7 support (they're DX6 i think). > >Let me know if turning off A3D sound helped your frame rate... cause if >it does NOT help you, then maybe I have a driver problem with my MX300.

Ed, I see no difference in frame rate with A3D disabled. I just did a quick test, but I am getting exactly the same frame rate as I did with A3D enabled. (using FRAPS to measure the FPS) I was actually hoping for a boost. :-) I'd strongly suggest trying the reference drivers, they fix a ton of problems, and the latest (and probably the last build, 2048) adds EAX support. Not sure if they will do anything for F12000, but the drivers you are using are very old! The new ones will at least be less of a load on your CPU. (from what I've read, haven't done any tests myself) Andy Please use [email hidden] for all email replies

Is there any way to enable A3D after you have installed the game? I guess I must have missed it on the install. I have a MX300 with the latest Aureal drivers and would like to try it out. However, I have installed the tobacco car updates, setups, graphic tweaks, AI changes, etc. and would hate to have to re-install all that just to get A3D. Does anyone know if there is a setting change in one of the config files that will work? Don Chapman [email hidden] <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8d085r$kn0$[email hidden]...

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> I have a Diamond Monster Sound Mx300 card (A3D 2.0, I think)... > > When I installed F12000, it didn't give me the option to enable A3D > sound... the option is greyed out. > > Anyway, I found an INI fiole and set it on in there, but I took a big > frame rate hit... i mean serious lag... slideshow almost. > > But it DID sound better... > > > anyone else have any solutions for using A3D sound in F1-2000... or is > it just asking too much from this game... We've already lost the > mirrors... SIGH > > > Ed > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:38:28 -0400, "Don Chapman" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Is there any way to enable A3D after you have installed the game? I guess I >must have missed it on the install. I have a MX300 with the latest Aureal >drivers and would like to try it out. However, I have installed the tobacco >car updates, setups, graphic tweaks, AI changes, etc. and would hate to have >to re-install all that just to get A3D. Does anyone know if there is a >setting change in one of the config files that will work? Just run F1 2000 setup, and the check box is at the bottom right had side of the screen. You should be able to enable and disable it at will. Andy Please use [email hidden] for all email replies

> >Andy, > >I'm using Diamond's MX300 drivers, not the refernce drivers from A3D. > >The Diamond Driver I have installed are the "latest" from Diamond, which > >really aren't that current since S3 bought Diamond and screwed up > >support, IMO. > >May I'll try the reference drivers, as I'm pretty sure the Diamond > >drivers I have installed do not have DX7 support (they're DX6 i think). > >Let me know if turning off A3D sound helped your frame rate... cause if > >it does NOT help you, then maybe I have a driver problem with my MX300.

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> Ed, > I see no difference in frame rate with A3D disabled. I just did a > quick test, but I am getting exactly the same frame rate as I did with > A3D enabled. (using FRAPS to measure the FPS) > I was actually hoping for a boost. :-) > I'd strongly suggest trying the reference drivers, they fix a ton of > problems, and the latest (and probably the last build, 2048) adds EAX > support. > Not sure if they will do anything for F12000, but the drivers you are > using are very old! The new ones will at least be less of a load on > your CPU. (from what I've read, haven't done any tests myself) > Andy

Thanks for the info Andy... I downloaded the latest A3D reference drivers (2048) last night, but I haven't had a chance to install them and try them out. With the old Diamond drivers, I experienced serious lag in F1-2000, but it DID sound a lot better. I'm gonna try the new drivers tonight, and then re-install the game to see if the A3D option is enabled in the setup. Thanks, Ed Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Don, Look in your F1-2000 directory... there is an INI file that has a number of options in it... look for a line with reads "A3D=0" and change it to "A3D=1".... thats seems to enable A3D sound. Ed > Is there any way to enable A3D after you have installed the game? I guess I > must have missed it on the install. I have a MX300 with the latest Aureal > drivers and would like to try it out. However, I have installed the tobacco > car updates, setups, graphic tweaks, AI changes, etc. and would hate to have > to re-install all that just to get A3D. Does anyone know if there is a > setting change in one of the config files that will work? > Don Chapman Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:37:09 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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> >Thanks for the info Andy... I downloaded the latest A3D reference >drivers (2048) last night, but I haven't had a chance to install them >and try them out. > >With the old Diamond drivers, I experienced serious lag in F1-2000, but >it DID sound a lot better. > >I'm gonna try the new drivers tonight, and then re-install the game to >see if the A3D option is enabled in the setup.

Ed, Well, now I am not sure. When I did that quick test, I only ran F12000 for a short time, (didn't make a complete lap) and I didn't reboot. Later, I rebooted, and ran F12000, and it seemed to run a bit faster for me as well. (I forgot to enable A3D again) I will run it again today with it disabled and enabled, and I'll reboot between tries. I still think you should install the new drivers for the reasons I posted before. If you want to disable SB Pro emulation during install. (a good idea if you don't need it) following the instructions below. You can also rem out the following line in your autoexec.bat file LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM To disable SB Pro emulation do the following. Copy the driver folder from the install CD (or download the latest reference drivers and unzip them) to a directory on your hard drive. Load the AU30MMED.INF file in WordPad or Notepad. Navigate down to this section of the file: [AspenOverides.Addreg]. Remove the semi-colon from the line ;HKR,Config,DisableSBFM,1,1 so that it reads HKR,Config,DisableSBFM,1,1 Good luck, and let me know how you make out. Andy Please use [email hidden] for all email replies