Re: GPL - Driving with two feet?

In article <8cbsdm$qpi$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> With the two-footed approach, you can manage you rate of braking with > one foot, and help keep your car stable through the corner by leaving > slight braking pressure (trail-braking) on as you feed the gas back on. > Also, you can keep your revs up. > > The result seems to be a much more smooth transition from flat out, > through braking, turning in with gradually reduced braking, easing gas > back on with trail braking, and flat out again. The chassis is not > subject to violent jerks in mid-corner. And my LWFF is not "bucking" > nearly as much. >

I agree. It's the only way through Aquae Minerali for me! (in F1-2K). I am trying to make it work in Tosa as well, but I'm still learning! I had to convince my force-feedback wheel (LWFF) to use > different axes for brake and throttle instead of sharing one. (See the > thread - LWFF - Separate axes) > I just got one myself, and mine worked just fine out of the box - I can brake and gas it at the same time, and I didn't have to take extra steps to get that working. Forgot what the settings in Game Controllers say (I don't have the wheel loaded in this OS at the moment). -- s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

You can trail-brake with single axis. If your feet are quick and smooth enough there really isn't much difference between using dual or single axis. Having a good neutral setup helps as well. >>>>>>>>>your joking, right? Rik Anthrax - - "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" "Cato was right."

I think you will find you are also faster into the corners if you can master the technique of turning in before releasing the brakes. Begin to turn in - ease off the brake gradually as you turn - add a bit of throttle if it wants to spin. Done perfectly, there is a seemless transition from braking to on-throttle. In article <8cbsdm$qpi$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote:

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> Having heard about trail-braking, and always anxious to shave another > second off, I decided to give it a try. > > First of all, I had to convince my force-feedback wheel (LWFF) to use > different axes for brake and throttle instead of sharing one. (See the > thread - LWFF - Separate axes) > > Now, finally I am ready to give it a try. > > Well after just a few laps at Silverstone, I am not up to my personal > best (1:32.55), but did manage a 1:33.36, not bad. > > I will admit it is awkward at first, and I have by no means mastered

it > yet. But the thing I like about it most is, it gives you the abilityto > more smoothly transition from brakes to gas coming out of corners. > > As any good GPLer knows, the speed you come out of corners is muchmore > important than the speed you went in at. > > As a one-footed driver, you have to stop in a straight line as much as > possible, sort of slide through without any throttle, then feed thegas > back on. In the heat of the moment, it is all too easy to jam the gas > back on too abruptly, and induce wheel spin out of the rear end. This > is the last thing you want in a corner you are already sliding in. > > Not to mention, the weight transfer. When you are under braking, the > front tires are heavily loaded. If you suddenly lift off the brakesand > jam on the gas, you are causing a significant weight transfer to the > back end, again, just at the worst moment. > > With the two-footed approach, you can manage you rate of braking with > one foot, and help keep your car stable through the corner by leaving > slight braking pressure (trail-braking) on as you feed the gas backon.

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> Also, you can keep your revs up. > > The result seems to be a much more smooth transition from flat out, > through braking, turning in with gradually reduced braking, easing gas > back on with trail braking, and flat out again. The chassis is not > subject to violent jerks in mid-corner. And my LWFF is not "bucking" > nearly as much. > > This is only possible with the high-fidelity physics model of GPL. You > might find it of little benefit in "lighter" sims. But in GPL, if you > ask around, a lot of the consistently fast drivers (not necessarily

hot-

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> lappers) use two feet. > > Give it a try. > > Cheers, wtonsmann > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Having heard about trail-braking, and always anxious to shave another second off, I decided to give it a try. First of all, I had to convince my force-feedback wheel (LWFF) to use different axes for brake and throttle instead of sharing one. (See the thread - LWFF - Separate axes) Now, finally I am ready to give it a try. Well after just a few laps at Silverstone, I am not up to my personal best (1:32.55), but did manage a 1:33.36, not bad. I will admit it is awkward at first, and I have by no means mastered it yet. But the thing I like about it most is, it gives you the ability to more smoothly transition from brakes to gas coming out of corners. As any good GPLer knows, the speed you come out of corners is much more important than the speed you went in at. As a one-footed driver, you have to stop in a straight line as much as possible, sort of slide through without any throttle, then feed the gas back on. In the heat of the moment, it is all too easy to jam the gas back on too abruptly, and induce wheel spin out of the rear end. This is the last thing you want in a corner you are already sliding in. Not to mention, the weight transfer. When you are under braking, the front tires are heavily loaded. If you suddenly lift off the brakes and jam on the gas, you are causing a significant weight transfer to the back end, again, just at the worst moment. With the two-footed approach, you can manage you rate of braking with one foot, and help keep your car stable through the corner by leaving slight braking pressure (trail-braking) on as you feed the gas back on. Also, you can keep your revs up. The result seems to be a much more smooth transition from flat out, through braking, turning in with gradually reduced braking, easing gas back on with trail braking, and flat out again. The chassis is not subject to violent jerks in mid-corner. And my LWFF is not "bucking" nearly as much. This is only possible with the high-fidelity physics model of GPL. You might find it of little benefit in "lighter" sims. But in GPL, if you ask around, a lot of the consistently fast drivers (not necessarily hot- lappers) use two feet. Give it a try. Cheers, wtonsmann Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

You can trail-brake with single axis. If your feet are quick and smooth enough there really isn't much difference between using dual or single axis. Having a good neutral setup helps as well. [email hidden] wrote:

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> > Having heard about trail-braking, and always anxious to shave another > second off, I decided to give it a try. > > First of all, I had to convince my force-feedback wheel (LWFF) to use > different axes for brake and throttle instead of sharing one. (See the > thread - LWFF - Separate axes) > > Now, finally I am ready to give it a try. > > Well after just a few laps at Silverstone, I am not up to my personal > best (1:32.55), but did manage a 1:33.36, not bad. > > I will admit it is awkward at first, and I have by no means mastered it > yet. But the thing I like about it most is, it gives you the ability to > more smoothly transition from brakes to gas coming out of corners. > > As any good GPLer knows, the speed you come out of corners is much more > important than the speed you went in at. > > As a one-footed driver, you have to stop in a straight line as much as > possible, sort of slide through without any throttle, then feed the gas > back on. In the heat of the moment, it is all too easy to jam the gas > back on too abruptly, and induce wheel spin out of the rear end. This > is the last thing you want in a corner you are already sliding in. > > Not to mention, the weight transfer. When you are under braking, the > front tires are heavily loaded. If you suddenly lift off the brakes and > jam on the gas, you are causing a significant weight transfer to the > back end, again, just at the worst moment. > > With the two-footed approach, you can manage you rate of braking with > one foot, and help keep your car stable through the corner by leaving > slight braking pressure (trail-braking) on as you feed the gas back on. > Also, you can keep your revs up. > > The result seems to be a much more smooth transition from flat out, > through braking, turning in with gradually reduced braking, easing gas > back on with trail braking, and flat out again. The chassis is not > subject to violent jerks in mid-corner. And my LWFF is not "bucking" > nearly as much. > > This is only possible with the high-fidelity physics model of GPL. You > might find it of little benefit in "lighter" sims. But in GPL, if you > ask around, a lot of the consistently fast drivers (not necessarily hot- > lappers) use two feet. > > Give it a try. > > Cheers, wtonsmann > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

nope Rikanthrax wrote:

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> > You can trail-brake with single axis. If your feet are quick and smooth > enough there really isn't much difference between using dual or single > axis. Having a good neutral setup helps as well. > > >>>>>>>>> > your joking, right? > > Rik Anthrax > - > - > "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" > "Cato was right."

>I'm not saying that there is no difference in the way Dual and single >axis work, there is a big difference. >>>>>>>.Ah, my bad then. I agree that "times" might not be improved right away. In fact, my times slowed at first, but now that I'm used to the new feel I have set PB's at all my tracks! Rik Anthrax - - it's a GPL kinda day :)

there really isn't much difference between using dual or single > axis. >>>>>>>>when i changed from single to dual axis, the difference was night and day. you must have something wrong with your input device. Rik Anthrax - - "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" "Cato was right."

There is a difference, sure. But personaly I don't see much difference with my times when driving with 1 foot or 2. I can trailbrake or balance the car just as well with 1 foot. Everyone is different I guess. I'm not saying that there is no difference in the way Dual and single axis work, there is a big difference. Rikanthrax wrote:

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> > there really isn't much difference between using dual or single > > axis. > >>>>>>>> > when i changed from single to dual axis, the difference was night and day. > you must have something wrong with your input device. > > Rik Anthrax > - > - > "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?" > "Cato was right."

Yeah i drove single axis for a few days its was bloody awful..I always use left foot braking mid corner etc, as this gets the nose to bite and stops under steer also using this technique i can go into corners much faster and have far more control on the car limits... I try single axis @ zandvoort an could only run high 24's in lotus, with daul i could hit high 23's...race cars are driving with both feet, heel and toe or clutch less...a modern F1 driver that uses one foot for each pedal is the faster driver...It cannot be siad it isnt faster..you tried driving a kart with one foot???...Slow as hell you need to use them both at once, same in GPL IMO...A touch of brake mid corner does miracles @ some tracks.. Rikanthrax wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >>I'm not saying that there is no difference in the way Dual and single >>axis work, there is a big difference. > >>>>>>>>. >Ah, my bad then. I agree that "times" might not be improved right away. In >fact, my times slowed at first, but now that I'm used to the new feel Ihave >set PB's at all my tracks! > >Rik Anthrax > - > - >it's a GPL kinda day :)