EA strikes again

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if they make an inferior product. I'm done with EA.

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> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations > (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about > money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if > they make an inferior product. > > I'm done with EA.

I was already done with them. Although, it was the NFL's idea to go exclusive with their license. EA just happened to have the biggest bankroll. Just like with the Nascar exclusive license, the person that gets screwed is the consumer. This consumer is speaking with his wallet. They won't be getting a dime from me.

Money makes the world go 'round - so much that people get quite giddy. And when the wankers make money from this, they go out to the shops to spend their money and find a bunch of worthless items all manufactered by fucken idiots just like themselves! :) What goes around.................... Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremely over rated! "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations > (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about > money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if > they make an inferior product. > > I'm done with EA. >

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41be6c5e$0$31703$[email hidden]...

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> Money makes the world go 'round - so much that people get quite giddy. > > And when the wankers make money from this, they go out to the shops to > spend their money and find a bunch of worthless items all manufactered by > fucken idiots just like themselves! :) What goes > around.................... > > Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremely > over > rated!

As a statement from someone who will kill any of their own childeren for being homosexual, "The human race is extremely over rated!" is interesting. I must admit, however, I was not aware that our species was up for any kind of performance review. I missed that memo.

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:57:12 +1100, Byron Forbes wrote: > > Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremely over > rated! > don't call "us" the human race, we're just one culture among many. A dominant culture to be sure, but surely not long-lived. (what's 10,000 years of taker culture compared two 2 *million* years of human existence?) . Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41be99bc$0$53007$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41be6c5e$0$31703$[email hidden]... > > Money makes the world go 'round - so much that people get quitegiddy. > > > > And when the wankers make money from this, they go out to the shopsto > > spend their money and find a bunch of worthless items all manufacteredby

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> > fucken idiots just like themselves! :) What goes > > around.................... > > > > Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremely > > over > > rated! > > As a statement from someone who will kill any of their own childeren for > being homosexual, "The human race is extremely over rated!" is

interesting. > Consistant, aren't I? > I must admit, however, I was not aware that our species was up for anykind > of performance review. I missed that memo. > You sure did! That's why you're up for extermination!

Consistant, aren't I? You sure did! That's why you're up for extermination!

"Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:57:12 +1100, Byron Forbes wrote: > > > > Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremelyover

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> > rated! > > > > don't call "us" the human race, we're just one culture among many. A > dominant culture to be sure, but surely not long-lived. (what's 10,000 > years of taker culture compared two 2 *million* years of human > existence?) . >

The only sure thing is that the present bunch of human shit on this planet clearly have many IQ overlaps with many other species!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: Re: EA strikes again

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> > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41be99bc$0$53007$[email hidden]... >> I must admit, however, I was not aware that our species was up for any > kind >> of performance review. I missed that memo. >> > > You sure did! That's why you're up for extermination!

Not being a member of your memo distributing cult, when's my date with destiny?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: EA strikes again

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> > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:57:12 +1100, Byron Forbes wrote: >> > >> > Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremely > over >> > rated! >> > >> >> don't call "us" the human race, we're just one culture among many. A >> dominant culture to be sure, but surely not long-lived. (what's 10,000 >> years of taker culture compared two 2 *million* years of human >> existence?) . >> > > The only sure thing is that the present bunch of human shit on this > planet clearly have many IQ overlaps with many other species!

You make a fine example :)

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> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41be6c5e$0$31703$[email hidden]... >> Money makes the world go 'round - so much that people get quite giddy. >> >> And when the wankers make money from this, they go out to the shops to >> spend their money and find a bunch of worthless items all manufactered by >> fucken idiots just like themselves! :) What goes >> around.................... >> >> Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremely >> over >> rated! > > As a statement from someone who will kill any of their own childeren for > being homosexual, "The human race is extremely over rated!" is > interesting. > > I must admit, however, I was not aware that our species was up for any > kind of performance review. I missed that memo.

We are. Read the bible.

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> > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41be99bc$0$53007$[email hidden]... >> >> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:41be6c5e$0$31703$[email hidden]... >>> Money makes the world go 'round - so much that people get quite >>> giddy. >>> >>> And when the wankers make money from this, they go out to the shops >>> to >>> spend their money and find a bunch of worthless items all manufactered >>> by >>> fucken idiots just like themselves! :) What goes >>> around.................... >>> >>> Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race is extremely >>> over >>> rated! >> >> As a statement from someone who will kill any of their own childeren for >> being homosexual, "The human race is extremely over rated!" is >> interesting. >> >> I must admit, however, I was not aware that our species was up for any >> kind of performance review. I missed that memo. > > We are. Read the bible.

Read parts back when I was at my Church of England school. Doesn't work for me, I'm afraid. The whole "love thy neighbour" bit is admirable but I think I'll stick with being an atheist. We're born, we live a life, we die then rot. Happy travels - there's no eternity in paradise. Live for now. Regards,

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:57:23 -0500, JTS wrote: > > We are. Read the bible. No, that's too young a title, I'm afraid. The bible was written when things were already going to hell in a handbasket. Read "Ishmael" by Dan Quinn. uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations > (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about > money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if > they make an inferior product. > > I'm done with EA. >

<laughter> I'm sure they're heartbroken. And I guess you must have the current Nascar release two months ahead of anyone else ?

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41bee204$0$31707$[email hidden]... > > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:57:12 +1100, Byron Forbes wrote: > > > > > > Very few make it mean much to be human. The human race isextremely

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> over > > > rated! > > > > > > > don't call "us" the human race, we're just one culture among many. A > > dominant culture to be sure, but surely not long-lived. (what's 10,000 > > years of taker culture compared two 2 *million* years of human > > existence?) . > > > > The only sure thing is that the present bunch of human shit on this > planet clearly have many IQ overlaps with many other species! >

Byron, I'd like to take this opportunity to unilaterally bestow upon you the coveted John Simmons Humanitarian Award. A strange but wonderful award, it looks like a cross between a Cup Car and a Cruise Missile. Use it wisely... ;-)

"Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > to do the same to football. Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter. A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does not publish for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners have a tough time. Jochen

There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone tell me why Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or products in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nose for us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv??? seems f#cking ludicrous to me. Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with:

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> "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 >> >> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're >> going to do the same to football. > > Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter. > > A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does > not publish > for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners > have a tough > time. > > Jochen

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41bf4b50$0$9349$[email hidden]... > > Read parts back when I was at my Church of England school. Doesn't workfor > me, I'm afraid. > No. Sacrificing myself to dagos and doing nothing about it wasn't anything I'd buy into either. > The whole "love thy neighbour" bit is admirable but I think I'll stickwith > being an atheist. > > We're born, we live a life, we die then rot. > Is that right? It seems some mentally rot before their body does my mere mortal friend! > Happy travels - there's no eternity in paradise. Live for now. > More mere mortal dribble.

"Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:2TXvd.1621$up.289@lakeread08... > There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone tell me why > Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or products > in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put > "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nosefor > us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv??? > > seems f#cking ludicrous to me. > Welcome to the corrupt planet earth - this is all about legal fuckwits and NASCAR, F1, etc fuckwits making a fortune, nothing else. All so we pay double for our sims for no reason other than to make a bunch of cocksuckers richer.

Plowboy2 wrote: > There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone tell me why > Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or products > in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put > "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nose for > us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv??? The main reason you don't see this type of licensing is money. With the exception of Halo 2 and maybe the GTA series. No game has made "Hollywood" type of money yet. So your not going to see too many of those types of deals. It might happen, but I don't think we will see anything like that in the sim racing niche. Unless you count the ad space Ratbag sold in the DTR games. (At least I think they did.) btgoss

Untapped resource if you aks me... I would think My employer would love to have thier image and imaginary signage at Daytona's trackside, say if the sim sold enough copies to warrant the exposure. To hell with them, i say, I personally liked the rwallace#2 car graffix that Papy shipped the NR series with, better than the original... IMHO especially with the uncanny abilities of most of the paint and cars that were readily available for download... lst time I checked my nr03 folder was over 1 gig in size, most of that was mods and car downloads (bloated friggin car downloads IMHO) of fellow racers... I downloaded the 1st release of the "actual" Cup cars, from a site that I am positively sorry I cant remember (to give them credit for awesome work) that was all... when I run the game, Im online, PERIOD. Hardly never saw the licenced cars, because I even downloaded the online generic replacement paint, which was awesome... I dont give a crap if you called the tracks "Big Oval 1" through "Mini Oval Flat" for each track Dega to Martyville. btgoss enlightened us with:

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> Plowboy2 wrote: >> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone tell >> me why Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier >> cars or products in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to >> have thier products put "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or >> others paid through the nose for us to see the race we are >> "emulating", on our tv??? > > The main reason you don't see this type of licensing is money. With > the exception of Halo 2 and maybe the GTA series. No game has made > "Hollywood" type of money yet. So your not going to see too many of > those types of deals. It might happen, but I don't think we will see > anything like that in the sim racing niche. Unless you count the ad > space Ratbag sold in the DTR games. (At least I think they did.) > > btgoss

? Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., there's money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the owners. Nothing new, been that way for decades. Plowboy2 <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:2TXvd.1621$up.289@lakeread08... > There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone tell me why > Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or products > in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put > "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nosefor

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> us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv??? > > seems f#cking ludicrous to me. > > > Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with: > > "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > >> > >> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're > >> going to do the same to football. > > > > Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter. > > > > A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does > > not publish > > for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners > > have a tough > > time. > > > > Jochen > >

Yep and this service was performed for them by www.games-advertising.com Matter of fact the #10 Ratbag car was built and raced on the bristol on dirt. Driver was Tyler Walker.. Don Wilshe > Unless you count the ad space Ratbag sold in the DTR games. (At least I > think they did.) > > btgoss

wrong.. but thats ok.. tracks, drivers and associations can be had for free if you just ask enough don wilshe "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gW2wd.164$[email hidden]...

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> ? Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., there's > money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the owners. > > Nothing new, been that way for decades. > > > Plowboy2 <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message > news:2TXvd.1621$up.289@lakeread08... >> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone tell me >> why >> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or >> products >> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products put >> "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through the nose > for >> us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv??? >> >> seems f#cking ludicrous to me. >> >> >> Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with: >> > "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 >> >> >> >> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're >> >> going to do the same to football. >> > >> > Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter. >> > >> > A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does >> > not publish >> > for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners >> > have a tough >> > time. >> > >> > Jochen >> >> > >

Not in movies, which is what was mentioned in the post. Hehe, but then, you'd know all about ways of doing things that most people can't, eh ? Don Wilshe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kg3wd.140678$[email hidden]...

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> wrong.. but thats ok.. tracks, drivers and associations can be had for > free if you > just ask enough > > don wilshe > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gW2wd.164$[email hidden]... > > ? Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., there's > > money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the owners. > > > > Nothing new, been that way for decades. > > > > > > Plowboy2 <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message > > news:2TXvd.1621$up.289@lakeread08... > >> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone tell me > >> why > >> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or > >> products > >> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier products

put > >> "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others paid through thenose

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> > for > >> us to see the race we are "emulating", on our tv??? > >> > >> seems f#cking ludicrous to me. > >> > >> > >> Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with: > >> > "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> >> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > >> >> > >> >> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're > >> >> going to do the same to football. > >> > > >> > Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter. > >> > > >> > A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and does > >> > not publish > >> > for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC owners > >> > have a tough > >> > time. > >> > > >> > Jochen > >> > >> > > > > > >

I don't mind about games containing only fake logos and "Coventries" if the game programmers make it excessibly easy to substitute the fakes with the real thing. GPL was the prime example in this, how long took it to produce the correct logos, images and names for the on-line community? A month? I do in fact believe that this is the only way to screw the lawyers: Produce games, put every development cost into the game itself, don't mind about rights AT ALL, never use ANY logo or name found in RL, and let people do whatever they like about the authenticity. ---Asgeir--- Indy wrote:

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> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations > (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about > money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if > they make an inferior product. > > I'm done with EA. >

"Asgeir Nesoen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cprghf$9r2$[email hidden]... > > I do in fact believe that this is the only way to screw the lawyers: > Produce games, put every development cost into the game itself, don't > mind about rights AT ALL, never use ANY logo or name found in RL, and > let people do whatever they like about the authenticity. > Exactly.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41c02d67$0$31709$[email hidden]... > Is that right? It seems some mentally rot before their body does my > mere > mortal friend! A mere mortal I am, and totally comfortable with it. You? It's cool that you have such a high opinion of yourself. No-one else does, right? And that's because no-one else understands how complex you are? You're on an intellectually higher plain and people just can't deal with that. That's it, isn't it. That *must* be it. Why else wouldn't anyone want to be your friend?

BS Jp, In the movies, example- Coke pays to have the "characters" drink them... same with cars, any merchandise, everything. JP enlightened us with:

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> Not in movies, which is what was mentioned in the post. > > Hehe, but then, you'd know all about ways of doing things that most > people can't, eh ? > > > > > Don Wilshe <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kg3wd.140678$[email hidden]... >> wrong.. but thats ok.. tracks, drivers and associations can be had >> for free if you >> just ask enough >> >> don wilshe >> >> >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:gW2wd.164$[email hidden]... >>> ? Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., >>> there's money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the >>> owners. >>> >>> Nothing new, been that way for decades. >>> >>> >>> Plowboy2 <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message >>> news:2TXvd.1621$up.289@lakeread08... >>>> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone >>>> tell me why >>>> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or >>>> products >>>> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier >>>> products put "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others >>>> paid through the nose for us to see the race we are "emulating", >>>> on our tv??? >>>> >>>> seems f#cking ludicrous to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with: >>>>> "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 >>>>>> >>>>>> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're >>>>>> going to do the same to football. >>>>> >>>>> Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter. >>>>> >>>>> A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and >>>>> does not publish >>>>> for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC >>>>> owners have a tough >>>>> time. >>>>> >>>>> Jochen

Exactly... because at some point say a big company MIGHT want to place their product in the product/game. at that point Just like the movies, if programmers/publishers dont cut off their noses so to speak, would make it a lot easier to get some projects going... Byron Forbes enlightened us with:

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> "Asgeir Nesoen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cprghf$9r2$[email hidden]... >> >> I do in fact believe that this is the only way to screw the lawyers: >> Produce games, put every development cost into the game itself, don't >> mind about rights AT ALL, never use ANY logo or name found in RL, and >> let people do whatever they like about the authenticity. >> > > Exactly.

BS Plowboy. Yep, characters get paid to use the product. Any the owning movie company, etc. pays Coke, etc. for that. Thats why many times you'll see a carton of, say, milk, and instead of some brand name, it'll say "Milk" on it i.e. Company X didn't want to play the game in that case. "Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:FjDwd.9075$up.5288@lakeread08...

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> BS Jp, In the movies, example- Coke pays to have the "characters" drink > them... same with cars, any merchandise, everything. > JP enlightened us with: > > Not in movies, which is what was mentioned in the post. > > > > Hehe, but then, you'd know all about ways of doing things that most > > people can't, eh ? > > > > > > > > > > Don Wilshe <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:kg3wd.140678$[email hidden]... > >> wrong.. but thats ok.. tracks, drivers and associations can be had > >> for free if you > >> just ask enough > >> > >> don wilshe > >> > >> > >> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:gW2wd.164$[email hidden]... > >>> ? Anytime, anywhere you use a copyright protected logo, etc., > >>> there's money being paid, usually by the entity using it, not the > >>> owners. > >>> > >>> Nothing new, been that way for decades. > >>> > >>> > >>> Plowboy2 <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message > >>> news:2TXvd.1621$up.289@lakeread08... > >>>> There is a f#cking problem with this licensing... Can someone > >>>> tell me why > >>>> Coke, Ford, or others Pays through the nose to have thier cars or > >>>> products > >>>> in a movie, yet game writers have to pay them to have thier > >>>> products put "xactly" like they were when Coke, Ford, or others > >>>> paid through the nose for us to see the race we are "emulating", > >>>> on our tv??? > >>>> > >>>> seems f#cking ludicrous to me. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Jochen Heistermann enlightened us with: > >>>>> "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >>>>> news:[email hidden]... > >>>>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're > >>>>>> going to do the same to football. > >>>>> > >>>>> Since Madden is from EA, it does not matter. > >>>>> > >>>>> A more serious matter is that Sony owns the Formula 1 rights and > >>>>> does not publish > >>>>> for the PC. There are not much useful mods out for GP4, so PC > >>>>> owners have a tough > >>>>> time. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jochen > >

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41c1ff0c$0$78027$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41c02d67$0$31709$[email hidden]...

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> > > Is that right? It seems some mentally rot before their body does my > > mere > > mortal friend! > > A mere mortal I am, and totally comfortable with it. You? >

Are you now? So who do you know that's died b4 and told you all about it? > It's cool that you have such a high opinion of yourself. No-one elsedoes, > right? And that's because no-one else understands how complex you are? > You're on an intellectually higher plain and people just can't deal with > that. That's it, isn't it. That *must* be it. Why else wouldn't anyone > want to be your friend? > Yep, you're really catching on now! Now if I can just straighten you out on this mortality nonsense.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41c2fd1b$0$23875$[email hidden]...

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> > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41c1ff0c$0$78027$[email hidden]... >> >> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:41c02d67$0$31709$[email hidden]... >> >> > Is that right? It seems some mentally rot before their body does my >> > mere >> > mortal friend! >> >> A mere mortal I am, and totally comfortable with it. You? >> > > Are you now? So who do you know that's died b4 and told you all about > it?

No-one - that's my point. When people die it's game over. I have no problem with the fact that I cease to be when I die. > Yep, you're really catching on now! Now if I can just straighten you > out > on this mortality nonsense. Try.

These corps are powerless except when people buy their products. We buy their inferior products which gives them the money to screw others. Simple as that. They can be beaten but only if folks do it in numbers. Nigel -- Indy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations > (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about > money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if > they make an inferior product. > > I'm done with EA. >

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> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations > (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about > money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if > they make an inferior product. > > I'm done with EA. >

not to mention they seem to have a nice little sweat shop going . DC

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41c33783$0$52984$[email hidden]... > > > No-one - that's my point. When people die it's game over. I have no > problem with the fact that I cease to be when I die. > Clearly, listening to others and understanding what's being said is not a strong point for you - let's try again. You claim to know death = game over/cease to be. If you have not died b4 and know no one that has, then how do you know what death is? This is one of the many things you *think* you *know*.

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> > "Indy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1945691 > > > > EA ruined NASCAR racing by getting exclusive rights, now they're going > > to do the same to football. What kills me is that these corporations > > (NASCAR, NFL, PGA, FIFA, ....) let this happen. I know, it's all about > > money, and obviously EA has enough to kill their competition, even if > > they make an inferior product. > > > > I'm done with EA. > > > > not to mention they seem to have a nice little sweat shop going . > > DC > >

oops...forgot the article sorry... http://www.artvoice.com/archive/v3n50/v3n50.pdf DC

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> > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41c33783$0$52984$[email hidden]... >> >> >> No-one - that's my point. When people die it's game over. I have no >> problem with the fact that I cease to be when I die. >> > > Clearly, listening to others and understanding what's being said is not > a strong point for you - let's try again. > > You claim to know death = game over/cease to be. If you have not died > b4 > and know no one that has, then how do you know what death is? This is one > of > the many things you *think* you *know*.

I know (knew) people who have died. They died and they didn't come back. I understood your question perfectly - you said: "So who do you know that's died b4 and told you all about it?" And I replied as above. I know no-one and know *of* no-one who's died and come back. Never met a ghost, never seen evidence of ghosts. Therefore I believe death is the end. Clear now? Give me evidence otherwise and I'll take it into consideration - faith doesn't do it for me. How about you? Believe in the bogeyman?

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> > > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:41c33783$0$52984$[email hidden]... > >> > >> > >> No-one - that's my point. When people die it's game over. I have no > >> problem with the fact that I cease to be when I die. > >> > > > > Clearly, listening to others and understanding what's being said is

not > > a strong point for you - let's try again. > > > > You claim to know death = game over/cease to be. If you have not died > > b4 > > and know no one that has, then how do you know what death is? This isone

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> > of > > the many things you *think* you *know*. > > I know (knew) people who have died. They died and they didn't come back. > > I understood your question perfectly - you said: > "So who do you know that's died b4 and told you all about it?" > > And I replied as above. > > I know no-one and know *of* no-one who's died and come back. Never met a > ghost, never seen evidence of ghosts. Therefore I believe death is the

end. > That's better - now you admit to being a mere beleiver! > Clear now? > Your stating a mere beleif as a fact was always clear to me. > Give me evidence otherwise and I'll take it into consideration - faith > doesn't do it for me. > What rubbish! Wtf has "faith" got to do with it? So you can be a christian or an athiest only? No other possibilities? Don't the gods love their little christian slaves and there zombie athiests who *beleive* they are alone in the universe - so easy to control those who think the only one contrlling their thoughts and actions is them! And just as easy to blame them for them too therefore! Anyway, want proof? I could tell you about my knowledge of gods but they'd easily be able to make you "beleive" I was insane (of course, you'd *think* you *knew* I was insane). Anyway, look at the anatomy of the human body (or that of any animal for that matter) and ask yourself a simple question - is this the fluke we call life or is this clearly the design of other beings? > How about you? Believe in the bogeyman? > No need to beleive in that sonny - I'm aware of the existence of far worse and more mind bending things.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41c6c1cc$0$3602$[email hidden]... > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41c5dd25$0$9330$[email hidden]... > Your stating a mere beleif as a fact was always clear to me. I believe it to be fact :)

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>> Give me evidence otherwise and I'll take it into consideration - faith >> doesn't do it for me. >> > > What rubbish! Wtf has "faith" got to do with it? So you can be a > christian or an athiest only? No other possibilities? Don't the gods love > their little christian slaves and there zombie athiests who *beleive* they > are alone in the universe - so easy to control those who think the only > one > contrlling their thoughts and actions is them! And just as easy to blame > them for them too therefore!

Is Christianity the only religion that requires faith? Anything that doesn't require fact requires faith. Muslim, Budhist, Christian, whatever. > Anyway, want proof? > > I could tell you about my knowledge of gods but they'd easily be able > to > make you "beleive" I was insane (of course, you'd *think* you *knew* I was > insane). If you have proof of course I wouldn't think you insane. You *know* the Gods? Introduce me. > Anyway, look at the anatomy of the human body (or that of any animal > for > that matter) and ask yourself a simple question - is this the fluke we > call > life or is this clearly the design of other beings? Fluke. >> How about you? Believe in the bogeyman? >> > > No need to beleive in that sonny - I'm aware of the existence of far > worse and more mind bending things. And what made you aware of these things, dad?

But in todays world licensing is handled centrally to ease the process of incorporating series sponsors into series merchandise? Gone are the days when everything that was trademark had to be acquired seperately. Now its in the NASCAR contract. pez "Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:XmDwd.9077$up.6768@lakeread08... > Exactly... because at some point say a big company MIGHT want to place > their product in the product/game. at that point Just like the movies, if > programmers/publishers dont cut off their noses so to speak, would make ita

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> lot easier to get some projects going... > > Byron Forbes enlightened us with: > > "Asgeir Nesoen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:cprghf$9r2$[email hidden]... > >> > >> I do in fact believe that this is the only way to screw the lawyers: > >> Produce games, put every development cost into the game itself, don't > >> mind about rights AT ALL, never use ANY logo or name found in RL, and > >> let people do whatever they like about the authenticity. > >> > > > > Exactly. > >

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> > > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:41c5dd25$0$9330$[email hidden]... > > Your stating a mere beleif as a fact was always clear to me. > > I believe it to be fact :) >

LOL. You really are confused on the whole beleif Vs knowledge thing, aren't you. > >> Give me evidence otherwise and I'll take it into consideration - faith > >> doesn't do it for me. > >> > > > > What rubbish! Wtf has "faith" got to do with it? So you can be a > > christian or an athiest only? No other possibilities? Don't the godslove > > their little christian slaves and there zombie athiests who *beleive*they

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> > are alone in the universe - so easy to control those who think the only > > one > > contrlling their thoughts and actions is them! And just as easy to blame > > them for them too therefore! > > Is Christianity the only religion that requires faith? Anything that > doesn't require fact requires faith. Muslim, Budhist, Christian,

whatever. > > > Anyway, want proof? > > > > I could tell you about my knowledge of gods but they'd easily be able > > to > > make you "beleive" I was insane (of course, you'd *think* you *knew* Iwas > > insane). > > If you have proof of course I wouldn't think you insane. You *know* the > Gods? Introduce me. > The only thing that introduces them to you is you. Have infinitly big balls and endless curiosity and they'll introduce themselves to you soon enough. When they do, there's 3 options - 1/ Go to war (not likely) 2/ Accept slavery (decent chance) 3/ Beleive they are good and that you're not really a slave (highly probable)

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> > Anyway, look at the anatomy of the human body (or that of any animal > > for > > that matter) and ask yourself a simple question - is this the fluke we > > call > > life or is this clearly the design of other beings? > > Fluke. >

So you *beleive* this is a *fact*.

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> >> How about you? Believe in the bogeyman? > >> > > > > No need to beleive in that sonny - I'm aware of the existence of far > > worse and more mind bending things. > > And what made you aware of these things, dad? >

Intelligence - what else sonny!? See above.

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> > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41c72a11$0$5586$[email hidden]... >> >> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:41c6c1cc$0$3602$[email hidden]... >> > >> > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:41c5dd25$0$9330$[email hidden]... >> > Your stating a mere beleif as a fact was always clear to me. >> >> I believe it to be fact :) >> > > LOL. You really are confused on the whole beleif Vs knowledge thing, > aren't you.

You apparently are... I'm not aware of the Gods because I don't have "infinitly big balls and endless curiosity"!?!?!?!? Man that is pure class!!! D'you have trouble getting your pants on with those infinitely humongous gonads? You are a delusional muppet. Keep the claptrap coming, it amuses me :D

Discussing the existence of god breaks down completely as soon as one party starts using concepts as "truth" and "fact". This goes for both sides. It shows how completely unable we are to find something good in a discussion when "facts" and "logic" can't be used in rhetoric. I don't mind about people believing in gods as long as it helps them to lead better lives. Now, if christian people could stop praying and start actually *doing* something for those of more unfortunate positions.... *sigh* People went bananas over a killer whale that got out of a nasty corporate job and back to nature, but ignoring the fact that hundreds of thousands of kids die each year due to malnutrition and lack of medicines. ---Asgeir--- Mark Davison wrote:

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> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41c95662$0$31701$[email hidden]... > >>"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:41c72a11$0$5586$[email hidden]... >> >>>"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> >> >>news:41c6c1cc$0$3602$[email hidden]... >> >>>>"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>>news:41c5dd25$0$9330$[email hidden]... >>>> Your stating a mere beleif as a fact was always clear to me. >>> >>>I believe it to be fact :) >>> >> >> LOL. You really are confused on the whole beleif Vs knowledge thing, >>aren't you. > > > You apparently are... > > I'm not aware of the Gods because I don't have "infinitly big balls and > endless curiosity"!?!?!?!? > > Man that is pure class!!! > > D'you have trouble getting your pants on with those infinitely humongous > gonads? > > You are a delusional muppet. Keep the claptrap coming, it amuses me :D > >

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> But in todays world licensing is handled centrally to ease the process of > incorporating series sponsors into series merchandise? > > Gone are the days when everything that was trademark had to be acquired > seperately. Now its in the NASCAR contract. > > pez >

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> >> > > >> > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:41c5dd25$0$9330$[email hidden]... > >> > Your stating a mere beleif as a fact was always clear to me. > >> > >> I believe it to be fact :) > >> > > > > LOL. You really are confused on the whole beleif Vs knowledge thing, > > aren't you. > > You apparently are... >

No, you either know or you dont - or you're an idiot that beleives. > I'm not aware of the Gods because I don't have "infinitly big balls and > endless curiosity"!?!?!?!? > I'd say you're probably a good example of the gods being able to keep someone stupid even when someone like me points out how stupid you are. Credit to the gods. > Man that is pure class!!! > Bows. > D'you have trouble getting your pants on with those infinitely humongous > gonads? > No, I just keep my custom made testicle bra on. > You are a delusional muppet. Keep the claptrap coming, it amuses me :D > The fool who doesn't even know the difference between knowledge and belief calls others delusional? LOL.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Asgeir Nesoen" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: Re: EA strikes again > I don't mind about people believing in gods as long as it helps them to > lead better lives. Define "better" :) This particular Gods fearing muppet claims he would kill his offspring if they turned out homosexual. Nice. What's considered "better" isn't necessarily unanimous. Fortunately, it's unlikely someone as completely nutsoid as this dude will ever get the chance to mate, let alone procreate. Which *is* nice :D

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> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Asgeir Nesoen" <[email hidden]> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: EA strikes again > > > I don't mind about people believing in gods as long as it helps them to > > lead better lives. > > Define "better" :) > > This particular Gods fearing muppet claims he would kill his offspring if > they turned out homosexual. >

Look at the bullshit this idiot can convince itself of! Gods fearing muppet? WTF are you on about dickhead? As for the rest, I'd rather be dead than a homo so I'd be doing an offspring a favour. Mute point though, since the manipulations of the gods aside, no son of mine would turn out that way in a pink fit!

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> Nice. > > What's considered "better" isn't necessarily unanimous. > > Fortunately, it's unlikely someone as completely nutsoid as this dude will > ever get the chance to mate, let alone procreate. >

Not in this life. I'm too well mannered to invite anyone to this shithole of a planet. > Which *is* nice :D > One can only guess that you must be a poofta yourself - you really are very fond of them aren't you? You seem to defend them like a husband would defend a good wife! :)

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>> > LOL. You really are confused on the whole beleif Vs knowledge >> > thing, >> > aren't you. >> >> You apparently are... >> > > No, you either know or you dont - or you're an idiot that beleives.

Do you believe in your Gods? > I'd say you're probably a good example of the gods being able to keep > someone stupid even when someone like me points out how stupid you are. > Credit to the gods. D'oh. > The fool who doesn't even know the difference between knowledge and > belief calls others delusional? LOL. Again, do you believe in your Gods? Obviously I'm confused. I thought .com.AU was AUssie. I guess it's actually "Alternate Universe" C'mon - gimme more info. You never did tell me how you came to know about these Gods of yours. You avoided the answer with some claptrap, but me being stupid, I need you to keep it simple. Were you visited? Do you have any photos of yourself down the pub* with some god mates of yours? *pub - public house - a place where humans socialise with one another.

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> >> This particular Gods fearing muppet claims he would kill his offspring if >> they turned out homosexual. >> > Look at the bullshit this idiot can convince itself of! Gods fearing > muppet? WTF are you on about dickhead?

What, are you schitzo now? You or your alterate personality claims to know of gods and how they're gonna fuck us over big time. And you *did* say you would kill homosexual offspring. > As for the rest, I'd rather be dead than a homo so I'd be doing an > offspring a favour. Mute point though, since the manipulations of the gods > aside, no son of mine would turn out that way in a pink fit! Pray tell oh great one - what's a mute point? And I see those gods are talking to you again... > Not in this life. I'm too well mannered to invite anyone to this > shithole of a planet. Well thank fuck for that!! :D > One can only guess that you must be a poofta yourself - you really are > very fond of them aren't you? You seem to defend them like a husband would > defend a good wife! :) Although I'm not, I could pretend to be if it would make you feel more comfortable :) Or do gays scare you? I guess that must be it. You're terrified of them (us?) aren't you? That's why you'd see gays killed. Do they hold the key to the destruction of your gods?

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"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41cd7d0e$0$16530$[email hidden]... > > Again, do you believe in your Gods? > I don't believe - period! > Obviously I'm confused. I thought .com.AU was AUssie. I guess it's > actually "Alternate Universe" > > C'mon - gimme more info. You never did tell me how you came to know about > these Gods of yours. You avoided the answer with some claptrap, but me > being stupid, I need you to keep it simple. Were you visited? Do youhave > any photos of yourself down the pub* with some god mates of yours? > > *pub - public house - a place where humans socialise with one another. > > Been ejected out of this body by the gods and suspended in mid air - had a conversation with the Irish fuckwit whilst something like a king took possession of this flesh to say to a few bitches what it couldn't say thru me. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew and speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one. Pointless to share this with the likes of you of course. If they can convince you to believe it is a fact (LOL - I get a kick out of that) that death = ceasure to be, then it will be equally as easy for them to make you dismiss these words as the ravings of a lunatic. I'm betting you'll be one of the hoards that become aware of the gods when it's all too late for you! :)

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41cd7f18$0$54815$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41cc1ab2$0$31705$[email hidden]... > > > > >> This particular Gods fearing muppet claims he would kill his offspringif > >> they turned out homosexual. > >> > > Look at the bullshit this idiot can convince itself of! Gods fearing > > muppet? WTF are you on about dickhead? > > What, are you schitzo now? You or your alterate personality claims toknow > of gods and how they're gonna fuck us over big time. And you *did* sayyou > would kill homosexual offspring. > As is typical for you, you make it up as you go. Where's the "fearing" part come into it dickhead? True to form, you jump to the idiotic conclusion that I'm some sort of god fearing christian. > > As for the rest, I'd rather be dead than a homo so I'd be doing an > > offspring a favour. Mute point though, since the manipulations of thegods > > aside, no son of mine would turn out that way in a pink fit! > > Pray tell oh great one - what's a mute point? And I see those gods are > talking to you again... > LOL - no fucking idea - as usual. > > Not in this life. I'm too well mannered to invite anyone to this > > shithole of a planet. > > Well thank fuck for that!! :D > > > One can only guess that you must be a poofta yourself - you reallyare > > very fond of them aren't you? You seem to defend them like a husbandwould

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So you like having gays around? Maybe you want to stack the odds in favour of getting yourself and sons drilled? Btw, where do pooftas come from? Is it genetic or are they all the victims of paedophiles (pooftas) as children? I'll bet grampa can't wait to do a little babysitting of his beautiful young grandson/s!

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>> Obviously I'm confused. I thought .com.AU was AUssie. I guess it's >> actually "Alternate Universe" >> >> C'mon - gimme more info. You never did tell me how you came to know >> about >> these Gods of yours. You avoided the answer with some claptrap, but me >> being stupid, I need you to keep it simple. Were you visited? Do you > have >> any photos of yourself down the pub* with some god mates of yours? >> >> *pub - public house - a place where humans socialise with one another. >> >> > > Been ejected out of this body by the gods and suspended in mid air - > had > a conversation with the Irish fuckwit whilst something like a king took > possession of this flesh to say to a few bitches what it couldn't say thru > me. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew and > speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one.

So you had a bad trip or someone spiked your drink and you convinced yourself that some nonsense was fact. You're the quiet boy who keeps himself to himself and will end up on a pointless killing spree before blowing his own brains out. In the name of the gods.

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> Pointless to share this with the likes of you of course. If they can > convince you to believe it is a fact (LOL - I get a kick out of that) that > death = ceasure to be, then it will be equally as easy for them to make > you > dismiss these words as the ravings of a lunatic. I'm betting you'll be one > of the hoards that become aware of the gods when it's all too late for > you! > :)

Who's "they" again? Your gods do not exist despite what you *think* you know to be fact. I will live my life as I see fit with family and friends and I will enjoy it :) TTFN

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d250c6$0$3594$[email hidden]... > > As is typical for you, you make it up as you go. Where's the "fearing" > part come into it dickhead? True to form, you jump to the idiotic > conclusion > that I'm some sort of god fearing christian. Ticklish, ain't ya :) Byron: "No need to beleive in that sonny - I'm aware of the existence of far worse and more mind bending things." Fear was assumed, which was silly, really. You're way too tough and manly to be scared of "stuff". Only homos and girlies get scared, don't they. You appear to have an obsession with Christianity? Raped by the head choirboy when you were younger? Would explain you hatred of gays.

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>> > As for the rest, I'd rather be dead than a homo so I'd be doing an >> > offspring a favour. Mute point though, since the manipulations of the > gods >> > aside, no son of mine would turn out that way in a pink fit! >> >> Pray tell oh great one - what's a mute point? And I see those gods are >> talking to you again... >> > > LOL - no fucking idea - as usual.

HAHAHAHA!!!! You don't see it at all do you? It's "moot", Byron LOL!!! > So you like having gays around? Maybe you want to stack the odds in > favour of getting yourself and sons drilled? I don't have sons. And I don't mind having gays around. My gay friends have never tried anything on with me. > Btw, where do pooftas come from? Is it genetic or are they all the > victims of paedophiles (pooftas) as children? I'll bet grampa can't wait > to > do a little babysitting of his beautiful young grandson/s! Were you a victim? Is that where this hostility comes from?

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d2b866$0$49494$[email hidden]... > > Were you a victim? Is that where this hostility comes from? > > Buddy, if you don't understand why a typical fella prefers to not have faggots around then I suppose there's no reasoning with you at all. Some people like to swim around with white pointers - most don't.

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> > I don't believe - period! > > So it's all black or white? Fact or fiction? > > You're right and everyone else is delusional? > > Explains a lot. >

No, it's black or white, OR it's a theory/idea under testing. Belief is assuming something is true ie idiotic!

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> >> Obviously I'm confused. I thought .com.AU was AUssie. I guess it's > >> actually "Alternate Universe" > >> > >> C'mon - gimme more info. You never did tell me how you came to know > >> about > >> these Gods of yours. You avoided the answer with some claptrap, but me > >> being stupid, I need you to keep it simple. Were you visited? Do you > > have > >> any photos of yourself down the pub* with some god mates of yours? > >> > >> *pub - public house - a place where humans socialise with one another. > >> > >> > > > > Been ejected out of this body by the gods and suspended in mid air - > > had > > a conversation with the Irish fuckwit whilst something like a king took > > possession of this flesh to say to a few bitches what it couldn't say

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> > me. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew and > > speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one. > > So you had a bad trip or someone spiked your drink and you convinced > yourself that some nonsense was fact. You're the quiet boy who keeps > himself to himself and will end up on a pointless killing spree before > blowing his own brains out. In the name of the gods. >

So not only do you know all about death, you know there are no gods also. Oh hang on - you believe these things are a fact - LOL. At least you're consistant - consistantly clueless! > > Pointless to share this with the likes of you of course. If they can > > convince you to believe it is a fact (LOL - I get a kick out of that)that > > death = ceasure to be, then it will be equally as easy for them to make > > you > > dismiss these words as the ravings of a lunatic. I'm betting you'll beone > > of the hoards that become aware of the gods when it's all too late for > > you! > > :) > > Who's "they" again? > "They" are the ones who program you to think you know all about death and that there are no gods - "they" are the gods. Since you have no mental capacity to work out anything for yourself you are a simple, typical, politically correct drone. > Your gods do not exist despite what you *think* you know to be fact. Iwill > live my life as I see fit with family and friends and I will enjoy it :) > Moral to story - Ignorance is bliss (right up until.................). Have a nice life :)

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d784eb$0$31707$[email hidden]... > > No, it's black or white, OR it's a theory/idea under testing. Belief is > assuming something is true ie idiotic! So you don't believe in anything. OK. See, I'm comfortable with not knowing stuff. I ain't a control freak. I have no idea how life came about but I don't invent any sort of omnipitent (sp?) being to answer current unanswerables to help get me by day to day. Maybe trillions of years ago there was an explosion in a lab and we were the result. Perhaps there are pan-galactic mega beings. Whatever, I don't believe any of these give a shit about a bunch of walking, talking meat. I never did get any evidence of these gods from you. >> >. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew and >> > speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one. I saw Derrin Brown do stuff like this on Telly. Stunning trickery. Have no idea how he did it. Was it your gods? > So not only do you know all about death, you know there are no gods > also. Oh hang on - you believe these things are a fact - LOL. At least > you're consistant - consistantly clueless! Probably. Never claimed to be anything else, tho :)

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>> Who's "they" again? >> > > "They" are the ones who program you to think you know all about death > and that there are no gods - "they" are the gods. Since you have no mental > capacity to work out anything for yourself you are a simple, typical, > politically correct drone.

The gods programmed me to think there are no gods? Why would that be so? If I am a programmed drone then *obviously* I have no capacity for independent thought. I'm programmed - mental capacity is irrelevant. You say your gods made me this way. Why are you even spending time conversing? Don't stop, tho. The mess you come out with is morbidly fascinating. >> Your gods do not exist despite what you *think* you know to be fact. I > will >> live my life as I see fit with family and friends and I will enjoy it :) >> > > Moral to story - Ignorance is bliss (right up until.................). Until what? > Have a nice life :) I had a nice new years with my family and friends hence delay in replying. You?

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d7813c$0$31700$[email hidden]... > Buddy, if you don't understand why a typical fella prefers to not have > faggots around then I suppose there's no reasoning with you at all. Buddy, you've proven yourself to be pretty frickin far from a "typical fella" in this thread. This point can be considered moot ;-) > Some people like to swim around with white pointers - most don't. Ya, cos you know "most" people LOL Did the gods tell you this "fact"? Too funny!!!

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d93091$0$47684$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41d784eb$0$31707$[email hidden]... > > > > > No, it's black or white, OR it's a theory/idea under testing. Beliefis

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> > assuming something is true ie idiotic! > > So you don't believe in anything. OK. > > See, I'm comfortable with not knowing stuff. I ain't a control freak. I > have no idea how life came about but I don't invent any sort of omnipitent > (sp?) being to answer current unanswerables to help get me by day to day. > Maybe trillions of years ago there was an explosion in a lab and we were

the > result. Perhaps there are pan-galactic mega beings. Whatever, I don't > believe any of these give a shit about a bunch of walking, talking meat. > > I never did get any evidence of these gods from you. > Gee, you love your bullshit don't you! Anyway, finally you realise you know nothing - agreed! But no doubt you'll continue to speak as though you do as you have done from the start. > >> >. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew and > >> > speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one. > > I saw Derrin Brown do stuff like this on Telly. Stunning trickery. Haveno > idea how he did it. Was it your gods? > Very good. But there you go again. You already said you know nothing and now it seems you "know" this was mere trickery.

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> > So not only do you know all about death, you know there are no gods > > also. Oh hang on - you believe these things are a fact - LOL. At least > > you're consistant - consistantly clueless! > > Probably. Never claimed to be anything else, tho :) > > >> Who's "they" again? > >> > > > > "They" are the ones who program you to think you know all about death > > and that there are no gods - "they" are the gods. Since you have no

mental > > capacity to work out anything for yourself you are a simple, typical, > > politically correct drone. > > The gods programmed me to think there are no gods? Why would that be so? > LOL - ummm, so they can enjoy complete control over you. Would you let them control you if you were aware of them? > If I am a programmed drone then *obviously* I have no capacity for > independent thought. I'm programmed - mental capacity is irrelevant. You > say your gods made me this way. Why are you even spending timeconversing? > Don't stop, tho. The mess you come out with is morbidly fascinating. > Very good - so far you seem to be little more than an embrio. But if I can make you see how idiotic your ideas about death are, for eg, then this may stimulate some brain activity and even make you wonder how such nonsense got there in the first place. > >> Your gods do not exist despite what you *think* you know to be fact. I > > will > >> live my life as I see fit with family and friends and I will enjoy it:) > >> > > > > Moral to story - Ignorance is bliss (right upuntil.................). > > Until what? > Until you inevitably pay the price of ignorance!

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d93199$0$47684$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41d7813c$0$31700$[email hidden]... > > Buddy, if you don't understand why a typical fella prefers to nothave > > faggots around then I suppose there's no reasoning with you at all. > > Buddy, you've proven yourself to be pretty frickin far from a "typical > fella" in this thread. This point can be considered moot ;-) > Well, this is true. But still, the typical fella still feels this way. The gov't that tells them all about how free they are and how well they're doing has bullied them into conducting themselves in a false way though. You're a perfect example. Go read a book called 1984 - it was a propagander book used in the cold war days to frighten people about communism. The theme is totalatarianism and one of the concepts is doublespeak. Read the book - then realise that's were you now live :)

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> > Some people like to swim around with white pointers - most don't. > > Ya, cos you know "most" people LOL > > Did the gods tell you this "fact"? > > Too funny!!! >

So you're saying most people would gladly go for a dip with a bunch of white pointers. You really do live in a different part of the woods don't ya? Seems we're both far from the norm.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d9d525$0$3613$[email hidden]... > > Gee, you love your bullshit don't you! Common ground! > Anyway, finally you realise you > know nothing - agreed! But no doubt you'll continue to speak as though you > do as you have done from the start. No - I know nothing. You need to convince me that my beliefs that life ends with death are incorrect. You are the one who claims to KNOW that this is not the case. I think death is game over, end of story, you do not, CONVINCE ME fella :D

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>> >> >. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew >> >> >and >> >> > speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one. >> >> I saw Derrin Brown do stuff like this on Telly. Stunning trickery. Have > no >> idea how he did it. Was it your gods? >> > Very good. But there you go again. You already said you know nothing > and > now it seems you "know" this was mere trickery.

He himself admits it's trickery. Or is he lying to appease the gods... hmmm... >> The gods programmed me to think there are no gods? Why would that be so? >> > > LOL - ummm, so they can enjoy complete control over you. Would you let > them control you if you were aware of them? Doh - I'm not "out of the box" enough, am I. Still thinking in my traditional ways... Most religions require a trust in a god of some description. What you're saying is that all other religions are mere folly (we'd agree there if so) and that no-one but a select few are aware of the TRUE gods that you speak of. It took time but am I following now? These gods don't need or want us puny humans to know about them, they just want to play with us like toys? Are they omnipitent? Do they know my thoughts? The thoughts of every person (soul?) on the planet? What about other animals? Or are humans not animals? > Very good - so far you seem to be little more than an embrio. But if I > can make you see how idiotic your ideas about death are, for eg, then this > may stimulate some brain activity and even make you wonder how such > nonsense > got there in the first place. It got there through experience of never having met a ghost or anyone else who'd died before. Also I've never heard a reliable account of contact from beyond the grave... If I believed what I was taught at face value I'd be a Protestant Christian as I went to a Church of England school. > Until you inevitably pay the price of ignorance! Which is? Don't skirt around the answer, Byron. What are they gonna do with my ash once I've been cremated?

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41d9da8f$0$3604$[email hidden]... > Well, this is true. But still, the typical fella still feels this way. Conduct a poll did you? Nevertheless, I'm surprised that you'd want to be associated with the "typical fella". > The gov't that tells them all about how free they are and how well they're > doing has bullied them into conducting themselves in a false way though. > You're a perfect example. Define "false way". > Go read a book called 1984 - it was a propagander book used in the cold > war days to frighten people about communism. The theme is totalatarianism > and one of the concepts is doublespeak. Read the book - then realise > that's > were you now live :) Where d'you live? > So you're saying most people would gladly go for a dip with a bunch of > white pointers. You really do live in a different part of the woods don't > ya? Seems we're both far from the norm. Way different part from you, thankfully...

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41db02d3$0$14619$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41d9d525$0$3613$[email hidden]... > > No - I know nothing. You need to convince me that my beliefs that lifeends > with death are incorrect. You are the one who claims to KNOW that this is > not the case. I think death is game over, end of story, you do not, > CONVINCE ME fella :D > Well, ok. Here's a few for ya 1/ If you can wake up in the human form in this life (ie be born here) then why should this be a one off? 2/ How do you know that this is your first life? Maybe you were a monkey in a past life. > >> >> >. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew > >> >> >and > >> >> > speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one. > >> > >> I saw Derrin Brown do stuff like this on Telly. Stunning trickery.Have

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> > no > >> idea how he did it. Was it your gods? > >> > > Very good. But there you go again. You already said you know nothing > > and > > now it seems you "know" this was mere trickery. > > He himself admits it's trickery. Or is he lying to appease the gods... > hmmm... >

Now that's different. You never mentioned he confessed to his deception. > >> The gods programmed me to think there are no gods? Why would that beso? > >> > > > > LOL - ummm, so they can enjoy complete control over you. Would youlet > > them control you if you were aware of them? > > Doh - I'm not "out of the box" enough, am I. Still thinking in my > traditional ways... Most religions require a trust in a god of some > description. What you're saying is that all other religions are merefolly > (we'd agree there if so) and that no-one but a select few are aware of the > TRUE gods that you speak of. It took time but am I following now? These > gods don't need or want us puny humans to know about them, they just wantto > play with us like toys? Are they omnipitent? Do they know my thoughts? > The thoughts of every person (soul?) on the planet? What about other > animals? Or are humans not animals? > You really are catching on. And this has been the whole point of me continuing this - to see if the penny starts to drop, how to get it to drop and how long it takes. Interesting study! :) > > Very good - so far you seem to be little more than an embrio. But ifI > > can make you see how idiotic your ideas about death are, for eg, thenthis > > may stimulate some brain activity and even make you wonder how such > > nonsense > > got there in the first place. > > It got there through experience of never having met a ghost or anyone else > who'd died before. Also I've never heard a reliable account of contactfrom > beyond the grave... If I believed what I was taught at face value I'd bea > Protestant Christian as I went to a Church of England school. > And the only way you will "know" this is by personal experience. I assure you, you have seen gods - it's just a matter of knowing what you're looking at when you're looking at it. This planet is full of empty headed idiots that the gods can operate thru virtually unopposed - study politicians in future - especially ones that are more of an American (lots of American spirit - key word - "spirit") than a man in a place called America. Ditto for all patriotic morons from any country. > > Until you inevitably pay the price of ignorance! > > Which is? Don't skirt around the answer, Byron. > > What are they gonna do with my ash once I've been cremated? > LOL. Once "you've" been cremated - so you're just a bunch of meat are you? Ok meat head! LOL. Time for you to investigate the distinction between flesh and soul. No wonder you're so hard to get thru to - I've been talking to a human body instead of "you". There's a good Who song called "Who are you" - play it whilst looking in the mirror! :) "Who the fuck are you" - a lump of meat robot with a brain for a cpu - or a being "in" a human body (you know - a "human being")???? Now, time for me to go listen to one of the best rock songs of all time - and I know the answer! :)

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>> No - I know nothing. You need to convince me that my beliefs that life > ends >> with death are incorrect. You are the one who claims to KNOW that this >> is >> not the case. I think death is game over, end of story, you do not, >> CONVINCE ME fella :D > > Well, ok. > > Here's a few for ya > > 1/ If you can wake up in the human form in this life (ie be born here) > then > why should this be a one off?

That's conjecture - thought you dealt in fact? Anyway, cos I don't remember doing it before and don't know anyone or *of* anyone who has. > 2/ How do you know that this is your first life? Maybe you were a monkey > in > a past life. If I don't remember then it's pointless. > Now that's different. You never mentioned he confessed to his > deception. Didn't think I needed to - there's no such thing as magic, you know that.

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>> Doh - I'm not "out of the box" enough, am I. Still thinking in my >> traditional ways... Most religions require a trust in a god of some >> description. What you're saying is that all other religions are mere > folly >> (we'd agree there if so) and that no-one but a select few are aware of >> the >> TRUE gods that you speak of. It took time but am I following now? These >> gods don't need or want us puny humans to know about them, they just want > to >> play with us like toys? Are they omnipitent? Do they know my thoughts? >> The thoughts of every person (soul?) on the planet? What about other >> animals? Or are humans not animals? > > You really are catching on. And this has been the whole point of me > continuing this - to see if the penny starts to drop, how to get it to > drop > and how long it takes. Interesting study! :)

Funny, I was thinking a similar thing. I believe (that word again) you to be a troll and that you're simply feeding off my responses. You can't possibly think what you're spouting is truth or fact. I continue responding to see how big a hole you will dig... And once again you do not answer my questions. Are your gods omnipitent? Do they know what every creature on the planet is thinking?

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> And the only way you will "know" this is by personal experience. I > assure you, you have seen gods - it's just a matter of knowing what you're > looking at when you're looking at it. This planet is full of empty headed > idiots that the gods can operate thru virtually unopposed - study > politicians in future - especially ones that are more of an American (lots > of American spirit - key word - "spirit") than a man in a place called > America. Ditto for all patriotic morons from any country.

You've got a skewed way of thinking. I would agree that patriotism is a tool used by authorities to help control "the masses". Instill in the populace the importance of patriotism and how very bad it is to not be patriotic. Authorities: "If you don't like what we do you're not patriotic". Introduce a "patriot act", perhaps... Religion, by the same token, is very similar. "Opium for the masses". Do what we say and you will have an eternity in paradise. Don't do as we say and burn in hell. You're going on like it's a John Carpenter movie LOL!

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>> > Until you inevitably pay the price of ignorance! >> >> Which is? Don't skirt around the answer, Byron. >> >> What are they gonna do with my ash once I've been cremated? > LOL. Once "you've" been cremated - so you're just a bunch of meat are > you? Ok meat head! LOL. Time for you to investigate the distinction > between > flesh and soul. No wonder you're so hard to get thru to - I've been > talking > to a human body instead of "you".

A human body, that's me :) And STILL you don't answer my question but skirt around it. What IS the price of my ignorance. > There's a good Who song called "Who are you" - play it whilst looking > in > the mirror! :) > > "Who the fuck are you" - a lump of meat robot with a brain for a cpu - > or a being "in" a human body (you know - a "human being")???? I am meat. Humans just happen to be a species at the top of the food chain. You are close to winning, Byron. I know all you want is the last word. You used to be more entertaining than you are now. You sound more like a boring conspiracy theorist than the fun religious nutter you were earlier in the thread. Before I finish, tho, I just wanna try and collate what you've said. These are my interpretations. It might bring back the "fun" Byron. 1. All mass or organised religions are false Followers of these religions are drones. Likewise, atheists are drones. 2. You know of *true* gods. 3. These gods don't want us to know of their existence. All they want is to control us. 4. These gods occupy human hosts - usually those in positions of authority. 5. You believe in the human "spirit" or "soul" (quite a traditional way of thinking) 6. You believe in reincarnation 7. You believe there will be some sort of judgement day These gods of yours are fallable. I thought gods were supposed to be perfect? They don't want us to know about them but you know. Dang. How clumsy are your gods? If they *wanted* you to know why would you be going out of your way to tell us of their existence, thereby messing up their big plan? What big bad thing is gonna happen? You know, the thing that will prove you right when all is said and done? Will I go to hell? Ooooh - how Christian! What was that John Carpenter movie again, the one where that bloke put on some specs and saw that we were being governed by aliens or something - They Live. That was the one. Fiction.

Man this topic took a huge swing to the...well I don't know... Let's deal in some facts tho' ok. 1. Past lives are real...just ask Shirley MacLean. 2. People are not just meat... there is all of that bone. 3. Magic is real... just ask Zeigfried and Roy, or Penn and Teller. 4. Death is the end of life... but not taxes. Aside from that, there wasn't much about EA racing "sims"

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41dc4d96$0$45310$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41dbea1e$0$23875$[email hidden]...

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> >> No - I know nothing. You need to convince me that my beliefs that life > > ends > >> with death are incorrect. You are the one who claims to KNOW that this > >> is > >> not the case. I think death is game over, end of story, you do not, > >> CONVINCE ME fella :D > > > > Well, ok. > > > > Here's a few for ya > > > > 1/ If you can wake up in the human form in this life (ie be born here) > > then > > why should this be a one off? > > That's conjecture - thought you dealt in fact? >

Claiming to know all about death and that there are no gods is conjecture. > Anyway, cos I don't remember doing it before and don't know anyone or *of* > anyone who has. > What do you remember from when you were 3 months old - were you ever 3 months old? > > 2/ How do you know that this is your first life? Maybe you were a monkey > > in > > a past life. > > If I don't remember then it's pointless. > See above. > > Now that's different. You never mentioned he confessed to his > > deception. > > Didn't think I needed to - there's no such thing as magic, you know that. > Then what is magic?

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> >> Doh - I'm not "out of the box" enough, am I. Still thinking in my > >> traditional ways... Most religions require a trust in a god of some > >> description. What you're saying is that all other religions are mere > > folly > >> (we'd agree there if so) and that no-one but a select few are aware of > >> the > >> TRUE gods that you speak of. It took time but am I following now?

These > >> gods don't need or want us puny humans to know about them, they justwant > > to > >> play with us like toys? Are they omnipitent? Do they know mythoughts?

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> >> The thoughts of every person (soul?) on the planet? What about other > >> animals? Or are humans not animals? > > > > You really are catching on. And this has been the whole point of me > > continuing this - to see if the penny starts to drop, how to get it to > > drop > > and how long it takes. Interesting study! :) > > Funny, I was thinking a similar thing. I believe (that word again) you to > be a troll and that you're simply feeding off my responses. You can't > possibly think what you're spouting is truth or fact. I continue

responding > to see how big a hole you will dig... > You dug the hole for yourself when you claimed to be an expert on death and beyond. > And once again you do not answer my questions. Are your gods omnipitent? > Do they know what every creature on the planet is thinking? > How the fuck would I know? And why refer to them as "my" gods? How are they mine exactly? > > And the only way you will "know" this is by personal experience. I > > assure you, you have seen gods - it's just a matter of knowing whatyou're > > looking at when you're looking at it. This planet is full of emptyheaded > > idiots that the gods can operate thru virtually unopposed - study > > politicians in future - especially ones that are more of an American(lots

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> > of American spirit - key word - "spirit") than a man in a place called > > America. Ditto for all patriotic morons from any country. > > You've got a skewed way of thinking. I would agree that patriotism is a > tool used by authorities to help control "the masses". Instill in the > populace the importance of patriotism and how very bad it is to not be > patriotic. > Authorities: "If you don't like what we do you're not patriotic".

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> a "patriot act", perhaps... > > Religion, by the same token, is very similar. "Opium for the masses". Do > what we say and you will have an eternity in paradise. Don't do as we say > and burn in hell. > > You're going on like it's a John Carpenter movie LOL! >

never heard of 'im.

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> >> > Until you inevitably pay the price of ignorance! > >> > >> Which is? Don't skirt around the answer, Byron. > >> > >> What are they gonna do with my ash once I've been cremated? > > > LOL. Once "you've" been cremated - so you're just a bunch of meat are > > you? Ok meat head! LOL. Time for you to investigate the distinction > > between > > flesh and soul. No wonder you're so hard to get thru to - I've been > > talking > > to a human body instead of "you". > > A human body, that's me :) > > And STILL you don't answer my question but skirt around it. What IS the > price of my ignorance. >

Umm, suffering. What else? > > There's a good Who song called "Who are you" - play it whilst looking > > in > > the mirror! :) > > > > "Who the fuck are you" - a lump of meat robot with a brain for acpu - > > or a being "in" a human body (you know - a "human being")???? > > I am meat. Humans just happen to be a species at the top of the foodchain. > Agreed, meathead! > You are close to winning, Byron. I know all you want is the last word.You > used to be more entertaining than you are now. You sound more like aboring > conspiracy theorist than the fun religious nutter you were earlier in the > thread. > Focus and concentrate and you may learn something. As for last say - kettle.....black. > Before I finish, tho, I just wanna try and collate what you've said.These > are my interpretations. It might bring back the "fun" Byron. > > 1. All mass or organised religions are false Followers of these religions > are drones. Likewise, atheists are drones. 100% so far. > 2. You know of *true* gods. What's this "true" shit? If you mean "actual" then yes. > 3. These gods don't want us to know of their existence. All they want isto > control us. Yas - and make sure we all end up as happy as they are (sarcasm). > 4. These gods occupy human hosts - usually those in positions ofauthority. They can outright take control of a human body or act subtley thru the humans in them - the cruder the individual the easier. Those with strong character/will (like me) cannot be controlled subtley - thus my experience when I raised it's/their Ire. No worries with a crude athiest or a gutless christian. > 5. You believe in the human "spirit" or "soul" (quite a traditional way of > thinking) There's no meathead here meathead! > 6. You believe in reincarnation I believe nothing - theory under testing. > 7. You believe there will be some sort of judgement day > What a lot of fucking bullshit. Do I really come across as some sort of Christian simpleton? I am my own judge. I win - I lose. I have good luck - I have bad luck. The more ignorance the more bad luck (see above). Etc........ > These gods of yours are fallable. I thought gods were supposed to be > perfect? They don't want us to know about them but you know. Dang. How > clumsy are your gods? If they *wanted* you to know why would you be going > out of your way to tell us of their existence, thereby messing up theirbig > plan? This is your complete bullshit notion of things buddy. I am at war with them you complete fuckwit! LOL. You seem to only be able to perceive me as some sort of christian with your hopeless pre-programed notions of things. > > What big bad thing is gonna happen? You know, the thing that will proveyou > right when all is said and done? Will I go to hell? Ooooh - howChristian! > You idiot! > What was that John Carpenter movie again, the one where that bloke put on > some specs and saw that we were being governed by aliens or something -They > Live. That was the one. Fiction. > One thing's for sure - you seem to get all your ideas from the movies. And guess who controls all that stuff too buddy! LOL. Whilst on the subject of movies, The Matrix is freakishly close to the truth - replace machines with gods. Movie was probably made by someone like me.

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> Man this topic took a huge swing to the...well I don't know... > Let's deal in some facts tho' ok. > 1. Past lives are real...just ask Shirley MacLean. > 2. People are not just meat... there is all of that bone. > 3. Magic is real... just ask Zeigfried and Roy, or Penn and Teller. > 4. Death is the end of life... but not taxes. > > Aside from that, there wasn't much about EA racing "sims" >

I like deliberate comedy. :) But although the accidental variety is funnier, it's also annoying after a while so I tend to not tolerate it! :) And I never went off topic first (poking out tongue)! EA stink.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41de97fa$0$31712$[email hidden]... > > Claiming to know all about death and that there are no gods is > conjecture. I claim to believe that, not know that :) >> Anyway, cos I don't remember doing it before and don't know anyone or >> *of* >> anyone who has. > > What do you remember from when you were 3 months old - were you ever 3 > months old? I *know* I was 3 months old because I have parents and photographic evidence. It's a fact.

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>> > 2/ How do you know that this is your first life? Maybe you were a >> > monkey >> > in >> > a past life. >> >> If I don't remember then it's pointless. > > See above.

What I'm saying is that if reincarnation happens, then who gives a shit because it has no effect on us day-to-day. Now if I was something or someone else in a past life and could use that experience to benefit myself in the now, great! If not? *shrugs*. Fact is, I can't even remember what I was doing in THIS life never mind any previous one, therefore previous life = pointless LOL! > Then what is magic? A word. > You dug the hole for yourself when you claimed to be an expert on death > and beyond. Never said I was. You are the one who *knows* stuff :) >> And once again you do not answer my questions. Are your gods omnipitent? >> Do they know what every creature on the planet is thinking? > > How the fuck would I know? And why refer to them as "my" gods? How are > they mine exactly? They've spoken to you and told you things only you could possibly know. They know *your* thoughts, so *I* thought you might know if they know what everyone is thinking. It's a fair logical step, don't get touchy LOL You're the only person I "know" who claims this, who else can I ask? How are they yours? All other Gods are folly, you've admitted this. (I'd agree there) Therefore these Gods are yours. In *your* mind. *You* created them. They're yours. Why should I believe in your gods when I don't believe in any other, more established (and probably more fun) gods? Because you say so? Surely that would be foolhardy of me hehe. If I made up my own gods and told you about them you'd think as much of me as I do you! >> You're going on like it's a John Carpenter movie LOL! > > never heard of 'im. He's an indie moviemaker, usually of the sci-fi or horror variety. Your sub b-movie grade waffle is probably more akin to an Ed Wood flick. Plan 9 from Outer Space (look it up on imdb) is another that you might like. > Umm, suffering. What else? I don't know. I am ignorant of your gods (at their behest) therefore I will suffer (also at their behest?). You are aware of your gods therefore you are at war with them. War usually leads to suffering. Dang. Screwed if I do, screwed if I don't. > Agreed, meathead! Yay.

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>> You are close to winning, Byron. I know all you want is the last word. > You >> used to be more entertaining than you are now. You sound more like a > boring >> conspiracy theorist than the fun religious nutter you were earlier in the >> thread. > > Focus and concentrate and you may learn something. As for last say - > kettle.....black.

Does not compute. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. >> 1. All mass or organised religions are false Followers of these >> religions >> are drones. Likewise, atheists are drones. > > 100% so far. Cool. >> 2. You know of *true* gods. > > What's this "true" shit? If you mean "actual" then yes. Uh-huh. >> 3. These gods don't want us to know of their existence. All they want is > to >> control us. > > Yas - and make sure we all end up as happy as they are (sarcasm). A non-answer. But I'm used to them now :)

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>> 4. These gods occupy human hosts - usually those in positions of > authority. > > They can outright take control of a human body or act subtley thru the > humans in them - the cruder the individual the easier. Those with strong > character/will (like me) cannot be controlled subtley - thus my experience > when I raised it's/their Ire. No worries with a crude athiest or a gutless > christian.

It's always Christian with you LOL. What about the Hindu? Muslims? Budhists? Jedi? >> 5. You believe in the human "spirit" or "soul" (quite a traditional way >> of >> thinking) > > There's no meathead here meathead! So I'm right there? >> 6. You believe in reincarnation > > I believe nothing - theory under testing. So you (think you) know that animals are reincarnated?

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>> 7. You believe there will be some sort of judgement day > > What a lot of fucking bullshit. Do I really come across as some sort of > Christian simpleton? I am my own judge. I win - I lose. I have good luck - > I > have bad luck. The more ignorance the more bad luck (see above). > Etc........

Very poor. Earlier in this nonsense discussion you said that if I didn't believe you then I will "inevitably pay the price of ignorance!" That is Judgement implied plain and simple. You're the one with the Christian hangups LOL!!!!

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>> These gods of yours are fallable. I thought gods were supposed to be >> perfect? They don't want us to know about them but you know. Dang. How >> clumsy are your gods? If they *wanted* you to know why would you be >> going >> out of your way to tell us of their existence, thereby messing up their > big >> plan? > > This is your complete bullshit notion of things buddy. I am at war with > them you complete fuckwit! LOL. You seem to only be able to perceive me as > some sort of christian with your hopeless pre-programed notions of things.

Whee - you got ticklish again! War - UH - What is it good for (absolutely nothin) >> What big bad thing is gonna happen? You know, the thing that will prove > you >> right when all is said and done? Will I go to hell? Ooooh - how > Christian! > > You idiot! Hehehehehehehehe!!!!!! > One thing's for sure - you seem to get all your ideas from the movies. > And guess who controls all that stuff too buddy! LOL. > Whilst on the subject of movies, The Matrix is freakishly close to the > truth - replace machines with gods. Movie was probably made by someone > like > me. HAHAHAHA!!! Now THAT's a PERFECT example of pots and kettles! What a brilliant world you've made up for yourself. Whoever disagrees with you is not aware of the facts according to Byron. Only Byron truly knows what is going on in the world. Trailer voicover man: "In a world of people controlled by evil Gods, only ONE MAN can save the planet" Coming soon to a cinema near you: The Life of Byron! Dude, I thought you were making this crap up playing trolls. If I cared about you I'd be worried. I now think you actually DO believe all this horseshit is real. If convincing yourself that the population is run by evil gods through mind control and only you know what's real gives you a sense of purpose in this short, mortal life then go for it! Yes, the planet may well be fucked up beyond repair, but it is not the work of gods, it is the work or mortal man. So says me hehe. Shame you're not in the UK. Remember that trickster I mentioned earlier in the thread who *apparently* reads minds but and admits the trickery? Derrin Brown? Well his latest is on tonight. It's called Messiah. Guess what he's messing with... Wow! I can't believe I've spent this time discussing this! I should take more notice of old Eldred sigs... "Never argue with an idiot" etc...

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41def960$0$21895$[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:41de97fa$0$31712$[email hidden]... > > > What I'm saying is that if reincarnation happens, then who gives a shit > because it has no effect on us day-to-day. Now if I was something or > someone else in a past life and could use that experience to benefitmyself > in the now, great! If not? *shrugs*. > Fact is, I can't even remember what I was doing in THIS life never mindany > previous one, therefore previous life = pointless LOL! > So you learn't to walk, etc in just this 1 life? > > > You dug the hole for yourself when you claimed to be an expert ondeath > > and beyond. > > Never said I was. You are the one who *knows* stuff :) > Blatant lie. > > They've spoken to you and told you things only you could possibly know. > They know *your* thoughts, so *I* thought you might know if they know what > everyone is thinking. It's a fair logical step, don't get touchy LOL > You're the only person I "know" who claims this, who else can I ask? > This is a complex subject. Even many the human can read the thoughts of others in many ways. But the basic answer is yes. It's a way that souls interact - if you think about it, every individual you know makes you feel a different way. You must have surely felt yourself in sync with others from time to time for eg. > How are they yours? All other Gods are folly, you've admitted this. (I'd > agree there) Therefore these Gods are yours. In *your* mind. *You* > created them. They're yours. > Ummm, gods are gods. Why you persevere with this "my gods" bullshit is anyones guess. > Why should I believe in your gods when I don't believe in any other, more > established (and probably more fun) gods? Because you say so? Surelythat > would be foolhardy of me hehe. If I made up my own gods and told youabout > them you'd think as much of me as I do you! > If you think your talking to someone that has made up some fantasy in their head then you're as fucked in the head as that individual would be. > > > Umm, suffering. What else? > > I don't know. I am ignorant of your gods (at their behest) therefore Iwill > suffer (also at their behest?). You are aware of your gods therefore you > are at war with them. War usually leads to suffering. Dang. Screwed ifI > do, screwed if I don't. > Suffering due to ignorance has nothing to do with gods buddy.

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> > Agreed, meathead! > > Yay. > > >> You are close to winning, Byron. I know all you want is the last word. > > You > >> used to be more entertaining than you are now. You sound more like a > > boring > >> conspiracy theorist than the fun religious nutter you were earlier in

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Let me try again - they need to make sure we all end up as fucked up as they are. Clearer? > >> 4. These gods occupy human hosts - usually those in positions of > > authority. > > > > They can outright take control of a human body or act subtley thruthe > > humans in them - the cruder the individual the easier. Those with strong > > character/will (like me) cannot be controlled subtley - thus myexperience > > when I raised it's/their Ire. No worries with a crude athiest or agutless > > christian. > > It's always Christian with you LOL. What about the Hindu? Muslims? > Budhists? Jedi? > Where's the relevence of that nonsense?

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Theory under testing. > >> 7. You believe there will be some sort of judgement day > > > > What a lot of fucking bullshit. Do I really come across as some sortof > > Christian simpleton? I am my own judge. I win - I lose. I have goodluck -

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LOL. Pretty simple stuff buddy - if you don't know what's going on around you then you'll ultimately fall foul to those things you're unaware of - like little red riding hood in the woods. Get the christian shit out of you head will ya buddy. For a seemingly proud atheist, you sure have a lot of christian contamination in you. > That is Judgement implied plain and simple. You're the one with the > Christian hangups LOL!!!! > You're hopeless. > >> These gods of yours are fallable. I thought gods were supposed to be > >> perfect? They don't want us to know about them but you know. Dang.How

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> >> clumsy are your gods? If they *wanted* you to know why would you be > >> going > >> out of your way to tell us of their existence, thereby messing up their > > big > >> plan? > > > > This is your complete bullshit notion of things buddy. I am at war

with > > them you complete fuckwit! LOL. You seem to only be able to perceive meas > > some sort of christian with your hopeless pre-programed notions ofthings. > > Whee - you got ticklish again! > War - UH - What is it good for (absolutely nothin) > No wonder you're so stupid. Instead of concede and learn you simply go on like a twit! > > One thing's for sure - you seem to get all your ideas from themovies. > > And guess who controls all that stuff too buddy! LOL. > > Whilst on the subject of movies, The Matrix is freakishly close tothe

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with > you is not aware of the facts according to Byron. Only Byron truly knows > what is going on in the world. > Yes, it's simply little fantasies in my head isn't it. It must be because there are no gods and death is the end - correct?

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> Trailer voicover man: > "In a world of people controlled by evil Gods, only ONE MAN can save the > planet" > Coming soon to a cinema near you: The Life of Byron! > > Dude, I thought you were making this crap up playing trolls. If I cared > about you I'd be worried. I now think you actually DO believe all this > horseshit is real. >

Wrong again - I know this for a fact. You're the only idiot believer here buddy! > If convincing yourself that the population is run by evil gods throughmind > control and only you know what's real gives you a sense of purpose in this > short, mortal life then go for it! > Sure thing Mr Mere Mortal. > Yes, the planet may well be fucked up beyond repair, but it is not thework > of gods, it is the work or mortal man. So says me hehe. > It's actually a team effort. The gods are expert at masking their influence behind the apparent natural behavior of men. And imagine how easy this is to do on a planet full of atheist zombies! > > Wow! I can't believe I've spent this time discussing this! I should take > more notice of old Eldred sigs... > And the trajedy is that the penny is no closer to dropping for you either - LOL. So far your dedicated stupidity has been triumphant over my educational skills! > "Never argue with an idiot" etc... > How about - "Never argue with someone that will run rings around you and your pathetic little preconceived nonsense programmed into you by gods you're convinced don't even exist"? LOL.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41e07ae6$0$3613$[email hidden]... > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:41def960$0$21895$[email hidden]... Let's summarise (again) Byron "knows" (my ignorrant ass is stiil being laughed off!) of the existence of gods who's purpose is to make our lives as miserable for us as it is for them. How does he "know" they exist?... "Been ejected out of this body by the gods and suspended in mid air - had a conversation with the Irish fuckwit whilst something like a king took possession of this flesh to say to a few bitches what it couldn't say thru me. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew and speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one." Fantastic. And not a shred of evidence required. > So you learn't to walk, etc in just this 1 life? Yes, I learned to "walk, etc" in just this one life. I rock! >> Never said I was. You are the one who *knows* stuff :) > > Blatant lie. What, that you know stuff? > This is a complex subject. Even many the human can read the thoughts of > others in many ways. But the basic answer is yes. It's a way that souls > interact - if you think about it, every individual you know makes you feel > a > different way. You must have surely felt yourself in sync with others from > time to time for eg. *Much* more likely that it's spiritual connection rather than merely physical and emotional isn't?

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>> How are they yours? All other Gods are folly, you've admitted this. >> (I'd >> agree there) Therefore these Gods are yours. In *your* mind. *You* >> created them. They're yours. > > Ummm, gods are gods. Why you persevere with this "my gods" bullshit is > anyones guess.

I don't think anyone who's read this far (I guess VERY few) needs to guess: Because no-one else thinks these particular gods exist but YOU. Man you're too funny. You're the ONLY one on the planet who knows about it all. Couldn't POSSIBLY have been some bad drugs / vivid dream / conman who got you started with all this...

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>> Why should I believe in your gods when I don't believe in any other, more >> established (and probably more fun) gods? Because you say so? Surely > that >> would be foolhardy of me hehe. If I made up my own gods and told you > about >> them you'd think as much of me as I do you! >> > > If you think your talking to someone that has made up some fantasy in > their head then you're as fucked in the head as that individual would be.

Now this is something I *do* know! You are indeed fucked in the head. I also know I am, and it's why I'm on precription drugs. >> > Umm, suffering. What else? > Suffering due to ignorance has nothing to do with gods buddy. Indeed it doesn't. Ignorance of diet will make you ill - you are what you eat, after all. Keep on with those halucinogenics. > Let me try again - they need to make sure we all end up as fucked up as > they are. Clearer? In what way are your gods (and they are yours) fucked up? >> It's always Christian with you LOL. What about the Hindu? Muslims? >> Budhists? Jedi? > > Where's the relevence of that nonsense? Just wondered why you have an obsession with Christianity. > Theory under testing. Are you doing the testing? How do you test the theory of of reincarnation? As a software tester, it would be interesting to see your test plans.

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>> Very poor. Earlier in this nonsense discussion you said that if I didn't >> believe you then I will "inevitably pay the price of ignorance!" > > LOL. Pretty simple stuff buddy - if you don't know what's going on > around you then you'll ultimately fall foul to those things you're unaware > of - like little red riding hood in the woods. Get the christian shit out > of > you head will ya buddy. For a seemingly proud atheist, you sure have a lot > of christian contamination in you.

Weyhey - christian references again! We covered "price of ignorance" earlier. But ignorance of the physical is not what you have been alluding to. If I'm ignorant of YOUR version of the relationship between gods and humans then apparently I'm fucked. I don't believe you. I believe you are totally convinced of your views and are damaged goods, though. Also that you will choose to see what supports your view and desregard what does not. > You're hopeless. Nah. You're the one at war with gods. Prognosis? Bleak. > No wonder you're so stupid. Instead of concede and learn you simply go > on like a twit! All I learn from you is how nutsoid you are. > Yes, it's simply little fantasies in my head isn't it. It must be > because there are no gods and death is the end - correct? I believe that to be the case :D >> Dude, I thought you were making this crap up playing trolls. If I cared >> about you I'd be worried. I now think you actually DO believe all this >> horseshit is real. > > Wrong again - I know this for a fact. You're the only idiot believer > here buddy! Fact without evidence - I LOVE it!

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>> Yes, the planet may well be fucked up beyond repair, but it is not the > work >> of gods, it is the work or mortal man. So says me hehe. > > It's actually a team effort. The gods are expert at masking their > influence behind the apparent natural behavior of men. And imagine how > easy > this is to do on a planet full of atheist zombies!

Ya. Must be a piece of piss. They must be shitting themselves knowing you're onto them hehe. I'm supposed to listen to what you say and take it at face value? I'm supposed to believe what you say because you claim you know it to be fact? And if I don't I'm stupid? That's how it works in the life of Byron? Riiiiiiiiiiight....... > And the trajedy is that the penny is no closer to dropping for you > either - LOL. So far your dedicated stupidity has been triumphant over my > educational skills! Hahaha!!! A convincing recruitment agent for your cause you are most certainly not! "Trajedy" indeed! >> "Never argue with an idiot" etc... > How about - "Never argue with someone that will run rings around you > and > your pathetic little preconceived nonsense programmed into you by gods > you're convinced don't even exist"? LOL. You think you ran rings around me? If that gives you a buzz then go for it. I thought we merely ran in circles - but we did it together :) Check out that Derren Brown guy I mentioned. http://www.derrenbrown.co.uk/messiah.asp Have fun in your sci-fi b-movie world. Have you left school yet? Here's a tip. DON'T put "Currently at war with gods" on your resume when you start looking for work. Might put potential employers off (employers who are probably controlled by the gods, bastard that they are), and without a salary how are you gonna fund your war?

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> > > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:41def960$0$21895$[email hidden]... > > Let's summarise (again) > > Byron "knows" (my ignorrant ass is stiil being laughed off!) of the > existence of gods who's purpose is to make our lives as miserable for us

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> "Been ejected out of this body by the gods and suspended in mid air - had > a conversation with the Irish fuckwit whilst something like a king took > possession of this flesh to say to a few bitches what it couldn't say thru > me. Also, had the gods come up to me acting thru humans I never knew and > speek to me about thoughts I had shared with no one." > > Fantastic. And not a shred of evidence required. >

Exactly, which just goes to show how stupid you are for asking for it since the only way you can know is via you're own experience. Btw, where;s your evidence about death that you claim to know about - oh hang on - believe is a fact. You're so stupid you cant even work out that beliefs are believed and facts are known. Simply no intelligence at all! > > So you learn't to walk, etc in just this 1 life? > > Yes, I learned to "walk, etc" in just this one life. I rock! > More like you've been stoned. > >> Never said I was. You are the one who *knows* stuff :) > > > > Blatant lie. > > What, that you know stuff? > Pathetic. > > This is a complex subject. Even many the human can read the thoughtsof > > others in many ways. But the basic answer is yes. It's a way that souls > > interact - if you think about it, every individual you know makes youfeel > > a > > different way. You must have surely felt yourself in sync with othersfrom > > time to time for eg. > > *Much* more likely that it's spiritual connection rather than merely > physical and emotional isn't? > Pardon? > >> How are they yours? All other Gods are folly, you've admitted this. > >> (I'd > >> agree there) Therefore these Gods are yours. In *your* mind. *You* > >> created them. They're yours. > > > > Ummm, gods are gods. Why you persevere with this "my gods" bullshitis > > anyones guess. > > I don't think anyone who's read this far (I guess VERY few) needs toguess: > Because no-one else thinks these particular gods exist but YOU. Manyou're > too funny. You're the ONLY one on the planet who knows about it all. > Couldn't POSSIBLY have been some bad drugs / vivid dream / conman who got > you started with all this... > The mere believer speaks as though he knows it all again. > >> Why should I believe in your gods when I don't believe in any other,more

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> >> > Umm, suffering. What else? > > > Suffering due to ignorance has nothing to do with gods buddy. > > Indeed it doesn't. Ignorance of diet will make you ill - you are what you > eat, after all. Keep on with those halucinogenics. >

According to you, that's what you're doing. And it's the only thing you've said so far that makes any sense. > > Let me try again - they need to make sure we all end up as fucked upas > > they are. Clearer? > > In what way are your gods (and they are yours) fucked up? > For fun, take some guesses! > > > Theory under testing. > > Are you doing the testing? How do you test the theory of ofreincarnation? > As a software tester, it would be interesting to see your test plans. > No idea, as usual. > >> Very poor. Earlier in this nonsense discussion you said that if Ididn't > >> believe you then I will "inevitably pay the price of ignorance!" > > > > LOL. Pretty simple stuff buddy - if you don't know what's going on > > around you then you'll ultimately fall foul to those things you'reunaware > > of - like little red riding hood in the woods. Get the christian shitout > > of > > you head will ya buddy. For a seemingly proud atheist, you sure have alot > > of christian contamination in you. > > Weyhey - christian references again! > > We covered "price of ignorance" earlier. But ignorance of the physical is > not what you have been alluding to. If I'm ignorant of YOUR version ofthe > relationship between gods and humans then apparently I'm fucked. I don't > believe you. I believe you are totally convinced of your views and are > damaged goods, though. Also that you will choose to see what supportsyour > view and desregard what does not. > It's simple buddy - the point is simply that if you're unaware of your enemies then you have no chance. > > > Yes, it's simply little fantasies in my head isn't it. It must be > > because there are no gods and death is the end - correct? > > I believe that to be the case :D > Finally I have you stating this as a mere belief instead of a fact! > >> Dude, I thought you were making this crap up playing trolls. If Icared

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> >> about you I'd be worried. I now think you actually DO believe all this > >> horseshit is real. > > > > Wrong again - I know this for a fact. You're the only idiot believer > > here buddy! > > Fact without evidence - I LOVE it! >

But no one can prove anything to anyone. The fact is that you stupidly dismiss someones accounts as rubbish for no reason. And the hilarious part is that you are programmed that way by the very gods you believe dont exist - LOL. It's another thing that sits right under the noses of zombies like yourself. It's perfectly allright for someone to be a christian, but speak as though there actually are gods and you're a nutter - seeing a bit of an inconsistancy there? Neo would have picked up on this - why not you?

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> >> Yes, the planet may well be fucked up beyond repair, but it is not the > > work > >> of gods, it is the work or mortal man. So says me hehe. > > > > It's actually a team effort. The gods are expert at masking their > > influence behind the apparent natural behavior of men. And imagine how > > easy > > this is to do on a planet full of atheist zombies! > > Ya. Must be a piece of piss. They must be shitting themselves knowing > you're onto them hehe. >

Only the smart ones. Fwiw, most of them are as clueless as you are. Most gods, like humanity itself, are testament to the fact that any idiot can be around for a long time and pick up a little technology and a few tricks. > I'm supposed to listen to what you say and take it at face value? I'm > supposed to believe what you say because you claim you know it to be fact? > And if I don't I'm stupid? That's how it works in the life of Byron? > > Riiiiiiiiiiight....... > Well it worked for whoever told you death is the end! > > And the trajedy is that the penny is no closer to dropping for you > > either - LOL. So far your dedicated stupidity has been triumphant overmy > > educational skills! > > Hahaha!!! A convincing recruitment agent for your cause you are most > certainly not! "Trajedy" indeed! > The ideas I have exposed you too may not be getting thru atm, but you will find these things for yourself and this will greatly speed your understanding. What I do always works buddy!

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> >> "Never argue with an idiot" etc... > > How about - "Never argue with someone that will run rings around you > > and > > your pathetic little preconceived nonsense programmed into you by gods > > you're convinced don't even exist"? LOL. > > You think you ran rings around me? If that gives you a buzz then go for

it. > I thought we merely ran in circles - but we did it together :) > Well, you have been chasing your tale around in circles - keeping up is tedious.

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:41e27fc4$0$3598$[email hidden]...

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>> Byron "knows" (my ignorrant ass is stiil being laughed off!) of the >> existence of gods who's purpose is to make our lives as miserable for us > as >> it is for them. How does he "know" they exist?... > > Who are you talking to sonny - you making a speach to the world are > you? > You may have a future in politics - no brains and think everyone loves > you!

I may have no brains, but I *know* not everyone loves me. You don't... *sniff* > Exactly, which just goes to show how stupid you are for asking for it > since the only way you can know is via you're own experience. Btw, where;s > your evidence about death that you claim to know about - oh hang on - > believe is a fact. You're so stupid you cant even work out that beliefs > are > believed and facts are known. Simply no intelligence at all! My "evidence" is that I have never come across any ghosts or spirits, nor anyone who has been resurrected or (knowingly) re-incarnated. Never known anyone else who has, either... All I'm doing is talking from experience. As, IN MY OWN experience, I've never had any communication from beyond the grave, never withnessed anything "supernatural". Therefore, in my experience, I believe death to be the end. No-one *told* me that death was the end, I came to that conclusion on my own. Many believe otherwise - that much is obvious - but I think the stories used to back up their beliefs are just as fictional as yours. Now, *any* religion, yours included, gives me any kind of hard evidence and I might start to reconsider my beliefs. In the absence of fact, tho, I ain't gonna make up a fiction - I'll take my own experience and work from there. >> *Much* more likely that it's spiritual connection rather than merely >> physical and emotional isn't? > > Pardon? I stuttered in my sarcasm and missed a word off the end of the sentence: "*Much* more likely that it's spiritual connection rather than merely physical and emotional isn't it? Kinda flat. I'll try harder next time. > The mere believer speaks as though he knows it all again. No. I speak as I see it. If you do too, good on ya. I don't believe you, tho. Rantings of a looney, I see them as. >> In what way are your gods (and they are yours) fucked up? > For fun, take some guesses! Na. I'd prefer some barmy fake "facts" from the self enlightened one.

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>> > Theory under testing. >> >> Are you doing the testing? How do you test the theory of of > reincarnation? >> As a software tester, it would be interesting to see your test plans. > > No idea, as usual.

No real answer, as usual. > It's simple buddy - the point is simply that if you're unaware of your > enemies then you have no chance. I don't believe your rantings. Therefore your gods do not exist. Therefore they can not be my enemies. > But no one can prove anything to anyone. The fact is that you stupidly > dismiss someones accounts as rubbish for no reason. And the hilarious part > is that you are programmed that way by the very gods you believe dont > exist - LOL. LOL indeed! > It's another thing that sits right under the noses of zombies like > yourself. It's perfectly allright for someone to be a christian, but speak > as though there actually are gods and you're a nutter - seeing a bit of an > inconsistancy there? Neo would have picked up on this - why not you? Who's Neo? I don't mind people having personal, faith based beliefs. I don't mind you thinking that you're the only non-programmed being on the planet. Whatever floats your boat. I *do* think that religious beliefs are misguided and I don't like it when they spill over into the "real" world. You know, like the day that looks increasingly likely to happen - the day you source an automatic handgun and go around killing innocent bystanders in a frenzy claiming that they're the tools of evil gods. Or something.

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>> I'm supposed to listen to what you say and take it at face value? I'm >> supposed to believe what you say because you claim you know it to be >> fact? >> And if I don't I'm stupid? That's how it works in the life of Byron? >> >> Riiiiiiiiiiight....... > > Well it worked for whoever told you death is the end!

See above. > The ideas I have exposed you too may not be getting thru atm, but you > will find these things for yourself and this will greatly speed your > understanding. What I do always works buddy! And here we are back at JUDGEMENT DAY!!!! YAY!!!! With NO mention of when this nonsense will all kick off! AGAIN!!! :D Oooooooooooo... I'm all shitting my pants and stuff now! > Well, you have been chasing your tale around in circles - keeping up is > tedious. You're enjoying it, really, that's why you won't let go :D You wanna sell this mess to whatever your equivalent of the National Enquirer is. You'll never become the infamous whacko you apparently yearn to be by spouting this garbage in RAS. You need a wider forum. You know, if you needed a cause *that* badly couldn't you have just been a gay rights activist or something? You had to pick a war with gods, didn't you. A war with the gods will no doubt mess up your parents house and affect your school results. Listen kids, Byron is NOT the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!