Re: F1 2000 should i buy it?

> should i buy it? No. > Is it worth the �34.00. No. >When is GP3 out? should be September / October (2000) ;)

> > > Nothing like detailed reasoning to help out the confused poster wondering > whether to part with his �34! let's make that a definately maybe ;) but here's some more: the makers: + 2000 Season + nice Intro the breakers: - Terrible Track Accuracy - downright horrible - worse selection of driving views .. only bumper cam is acceptable but a tad low - Pathetic Sound - Controls are only tolerable with lots and lots of tweaking and fiddling with the ini files - out of the box it simply doesn't work - Frame rate (out of the box) is so bad it's unbelievable (that's on a P3-500 with Voodoo3) - Clueless AI - Tiny driver heads ;-) - No Telemetry - No decent replay mode - No decent Multiplayer mode... unsuitable for LAN or I-Net racing...worst of all: no qualifying or practice in multiplayer - The Menu Music is somewhat funny ... there's an orchestral piece so pathetic it makes me think Leonardo di Caprio is sinking... oh, forgot there are no wet races :-) and last but not least:: => it's not GPL (sorry David, couldn't resist)

Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out?

Is it worth the 34.00.When is GP3 out?

No. No. should be September / October (2000) ;)

Nonsense! A total exaggeration! There have been several very positive posts about the accuracy of some tracks. The***pit view is perfect. The sound is a realistic representation of a modern F1 engine. Do you ever watch (and listen) to a Grand Prix these days? Complete rubbish! It worked OOTB for me and my Ferrari FF wheel. Again, nonsense. It needs a little tweaking to get it right for your system, but your comments are way over the top. I don't have this problem. Usually the only problem is on the first couple of corners, which is normal for a race. Like GPL? Iain

If you have very fast CPU you can race with 5 AI all graphics option Max. Hotlapping is ok with slower CPU. It's really good sim. GP3 is not out before July(i think it's not out before September). -Jani Kankaanp��- "Joe Murphy" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:ZKYG4.2172$[email hidden]... > Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out? > >

If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it. GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems. Joe Murphy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZKYG4.2172$[email hidden]... > Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out? > >

"Alexander Marx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cif31$6e1df$[email hidden]... > > should i buy it? > > No. Yes. > > Is it worth the �34.00. > > No. Yes. > > >When is GP3 out? > > should be September / October (2000) ;) > No one really knows. Supposedly the end of July, but they keep pushing the date back. David G Fisher

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fF5H4.10434$[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" wrote > > > > should i buy it? > > > > > > No. > > > > Yes. > > > > > > Is it worth the �34.00. > > > > > > No. > > > > Yes. > > > Nothing like detailed reasoning to help out the confused poster wondering > whether to part with his �34! > > "David G Fisher" also wrote > "I give newcomers advise which encourages them to look at the positives of > various > sims, " > > So I guess "Yes" fits that concept.

And Tony Rickard wrote a post in which he: A. Ignores a fellow GPL fan club member's ONE word answers which preceded my post, and which PREDICTABLY throw aside yet another excellent sim. B. Thinks no one will notice that I was simply copying, and by doing so, commenting on, Andrew's childish response to the originator of this thread. Nice try Tony, but you and Andrew have once again proven the points myself and others have been making lately about GPL'ers on this forum. David G Fisher

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> > > should i buy it? > > > > No. > > Yes. > > > > Is it worth the �34.00. > > > > No. > > Yes. >

Nothing like detailed reasoning to help out the confused poster wondering whether to part with his �34! "David G Fisher" also wrote "I give newcomers advise which encourages them to look at the positives of various sims, " So I guess "Yes" fits that concept. OTH some more info could be helpful F1-2000 appears to run like a dog (i.e. unplayable) on some systems, especially dependant upon graphics cards. There is a force feedback bug with the Guillemot wheel. The physics are not as cutting edge as might have been hoped. Despite the performance issues the graphics are not as state of art as some more recent releases RC2000, SBK2000 & the forthcoming Rally Masters. The AI appear quite well behaved. Racing against the AI on a system capable of running it is quite fun. Sound is pretty pathetic. Personally (dare I say) I prefer GPL. However as a modern day F1 sim it is probably king for a day. Whether it is worth �34 as a casual plaything before GP3 is another matter. Hopefully others here can expand on my limited findings to give a balanced view. Then some form of opinion can be made as to whether to part with �34 Cheers Tony

Well David you had a choice: Help out a fellow sim player with a valid question - Should he buy F1-2000 Or have yet another stab at your considered "GPL fan club" You chose the latter. As Andrew hadn't made the recent claim "I give newcomers advise which encourages them to look at the positives of various sims, " I considered your post the most ironic. I guess it is a naive hope that knowledgeable members of this group could get on with some constructive discussions and help rather than get embroiled in arguments. Let me indulge in one final opinion, which I hope you take the time to read: The GPL fan club is not a collective group. I can only speak for myself. I would LOVE a new racing sim that puts GPL on a dusty shelf. The day I bought GPL I also bought Colin Mcrae Rally. Since that we have had RC2000 and Rally Masters is due for release. Both of which I would argue have a place on the rally sims HD. CMR blown away in all departments - graphics, physics, sound, hardware support etc. That is what I have come to expect & desire - top sims last a year or so, to be blown away by the next generation. Where is the RC2000 equivalent in the racing sim genre? Hence the frustration as new sims come out - even if competent - that fail to capture the imagination and demand to played at the expense of all that has gone before it. Maybe expectations are too high - perhaps the racing genre has matured before the Rally sims & motorbike sims - such that a revolutionary product is beyond current production. I played F1GP so much - far more regularly than GPL - yet when Indycar came out I switched immediately - for me it was a step forward. I am not so engrossed with GPL that if a new sim comes out tomorrow which I think is better I shan't drop GPL. I don't believe the loyalty you perceive to Papyrus & GPL exists to the extent you believe. I am as fickle & selfish as joe public when it comes to computer games - probably more so cos I want the best & I want it now! I don't necessarily expect you to agree with me David, but I hope it goes someway to understanding why sometimes optimism turns to disappointment on this group. There is a passion here for great products which can overide rational discussion. F1-2000 is the classic case IMHO. The initial posts were so optimistic - it was great etc. Then it turned out not to be so great & the negative posts (sad ones like "It Sucks") were in abundance. Things settle down & there are good and bad posts now. It is not a case of being negative from the outset - just too damned optimistic IMHO. Cheers Tony "David G Fisher" wrote > And Tony Rickard wrote a post in which he: > > A. Ignores a fellow GPL fan club member's ONE word answers which precededmy > post, and which PREDICTABLY throw aside yet another excellent sim. > > B. Thinks no one will notice that I was simply copying, and by doing so, > commenting on, Andrew's childish response to the originator of thisthread.

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> > Nice try Tony, but you and Andrew have once again proven the points myself > and others have been making lately about GPL'ers on this forum. > > David G Fisher > >

Very nicely expressed Tony. Andrew. Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jU6H4.10611$[email hidden]...

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> Well David you had a choice: > > Help out a fellow sim player with a valid question - Should he buy F1-2000 > > Or have yet another stab at your considered "GPL fan club" > > You chose the latter. > > As Andrew hadn't made the recent claim "I give newcomers advise which > encourages them to look at the positives of various sims, " I considered > your post the most ironic. > > I guess it is a naive hope that knowledgeable members of this group could > get on with some constructive discussions and help rather than get

embroiled > in arguments. > > Let me indulge in one final opinion, which I hope you take the time toread: > > The GPL fan club is not a collective group. I can only speak for myself. I > would LOVE a new racing sim that puts GPL on a dusty shelf. The day Ibought > GPL I also bought Colin Mcrae Rally. Since that we have had RC2000 andRally > Masters is due for release. Both of which I would argue have a place onthe > rally sims HD. CMR blown away in all departments - graphics, physics,sound, > hardware support etc. > > That is what I have come to expect & desire - top sims last a year or so,to

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> be blown away by the next generation. > > Where is the RC2000 equivalent in the racing sim genre? > > Hence the frustration as new sims come out - even if competent - that fail > to capture the imagination and demand to played at the expense of all that > has gone before it. > > Maybe expectations are too high - perhaps the racing genre has matured > before the Rally sims & motorbike sims - such that a revolutionary product > is beyond current production. > > I played F1GP so much - far more regularly than GPL - yet when Indycar

came > out I switched immediately - for me it was a step forward. I am not so > engrossed with GPL that if a new sim comes out tomorrow which I think is > better I shan't drop GPL. > > I don't believe the loyalty you perceive to Papyrus & GPL exists to the > extent you believe. I am as fickle & selfish as joe public when it comesto

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> computer games - probably more so cos I want the best & I want it now! > > I don't necessarily expect you to agree with me David, but I hope it goes > someway to understanding why sometimes optimism turns to disappointment on > this group. There is a passion here for great products which can overide > rational discussion. F1-2000 is the classic case IMHO. The initial posts > were so optimistic - it was great etc. Then it turned out not to be so

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> & the negative posts (sad ones like "It Sucks") were in abundance. Things > settle down & there are good and bad posts now. > > It is not a case of being negative from the outset - just too damned > optimistic IMHO. > > Cheers > > Tony > > > "David G Fisher" wrote > > > And Tony Rickard wrote a post in which he: > > > > A. Ignores a fellow GPL fan club member's ONE word answers which

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> my > > post, and which PREDICTABLY throw aside yet another excellent sim. > > > > B. Thinks no one will notice that I was simply copying, and by doing so, > > commenting on, Andrew's childish response to the originator of this > thread. > > > > Nice try Tony, but you and Andrew have once again proven the points

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> > and others have been making lately about GPL'ers on this forum. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > >

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote > OTH some more info could be helpful > F1-2000 appears to run like a dog (i.e. unplayable) on some systems, > especially dependant upon graphics cards. > There is a force feedback bug with the Guillemot wheel. > The physics are not as cutting edge as might have been hoped. > Despite the performance issues the graphics are not as state of art assome > more recent releases RC2000, SBK2000 & the forthcoming Rally Masters. > The AI appear quite well behaved. > Racing against the AI on a system capable of running it is quite fun. > Sound is pretty pathetic. You forgot the worst part of F1 2000 (which killed any sense of realism for me) : - The incredibly poor done tracks. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > - Terrible Track Accuracy - downright horrible. > A total exaggeration! There have been several very positive posts aboutthe > accuracy of some tracks. I could list you a track-per-track argument on how unrealistic and very poorly modeled the tracks in F1 2000 are. Some of us mentionned that they are the most rubbish in a racing title ever with a potential that big. There is invented corners on some tracks, others have reversed elevation on track portions, fake elevations, wrong corner radius, wrong track width, wrong banking, reversed banking!!, and overall poor object placement. > I don't have this problem. Usually the only problem is on the firstcouple > of corners, which is normal for a race. Oh I didn't know you thought that's how the AI runs Eau Rouge@ Spa. > >oh, forgot there are no wet races :-) > Like GPL? This is pathetic... Why is it that everytime somebody gives a negative position about a title, the other person has to immediatly remark to him that GPL doesn't neither have it. Where in his message did you see that the person was praising GPL's weather? Why can't you assume it's a flaw for GPL? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Joe Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out? For me it wouldn't be worth that price. I suggest you wait a few. It might be the best one on the market yet, but it simply means it's the "best of the worst". -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Nonsense! > - Terrible Track Accuracy - downright horrible.A total exaggeration! There have been several very positive posts about the accuracy of some tracks. > - worse selection of driving views .. only bumper cam is acceptable but a > tad lowThe cockpit view is perfect. > - Pathetic SoundThe sound is a realistic representation of a modern F1 engine. Do you ever watch (and listen) to a Grand Prix these days? > - Controls are only tolerable with lots and lots of tweaking and fiddling > with the ini files - out of the box it simply doesn't work.Complete rubbish! It worked OOTB for me and my Ferrari FF wheel. > - Frame rate (out of the box) is so bad it's unbelievable (that's on a > P3-500 with Voodoo3)Again, nonsense. It needs a little tweaking to get it right for your system, but your comments are way over the top. > - Clueless AII don't have this problem. Usually the only problem is on the first couple of corners, which is normal for a race. >oh, forgot there are no wet races :-)Like GPL? Iain

Hmm, based on what others have said here, sounds like it is well worth the price to me. Yes, I know , ain't got it yet, but do plan on picking it up this weekend. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9Y7H4.552$[email hidden]... > "Joe Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out? > > > For me it wouldn't be worth that price. I suggest you wait a few. It might > be the best one on the market yet, but it simply means it's the "best of the > worst". > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cksh9$mvl$[email hidden]... > Iain, > > I definitely agree... I absolutely love GPL, it is an amazing game,however > people who completely dismiss the new titles coming out are definitely > missing out. F1 2000 is an excellent game in my opinion despite itsfaults > (especially on Non-Intel platforms!) and should definitely be played > religiously :). We are going to be starting a LAN championship next > weekend....and it is going to be excellent....I cant wait! So you have already tried the network part of F1 2000 and found it to work well? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. Please reply to: cisko[AT] ix [dot] netcom [dot] com

Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EMoH4.12184$[email hidden]... > Thanks for filling in the gaps - it was never intended (& this washopefully > clear) to be a definitive answer to the posters question. > > For sure F1-2000 is the best modern day sim. However, with recent advances > in rally and motorbike sims I had hoped the next racing sim would be amajor Well I don't know anything about those other sims. I am mainly a modern F1 type of person. I also like SCGT (even though the driving model is terrible the game is fun) and N3 for online play with a friend. So I am comparing to other modern era F1 sims. I totally expected any EA racing sim to be really horrible like Nascar Revolution... F1 2000 is quite different and pertty much the real deal IMHO. Shocking! > As for the sound - yes I have been to Grand Prix. The sound is amazing - I haven't been to one I have just "trusted" what other who have gone have said. I have been to a CART race and have great tickets to the innaugreal US GP at indy, so I will eventually find out myself :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. Please reply to: cisko[AT] ix [dot] netcom [dot] com

On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:59:27 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hmm, based on what others have said here, sounds like it is well worth the >price to me. >Yes, I know , ain't got it yet, but do plan on picking it up this weekend. Just buy it at EB. I know a fe people who picked up this game, and were glad to have bought it at a store where they could return it (their complaints were poor quality graphics, poor frame-rate, and badly done tracks).

Joe McGinn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:59:27 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hmm, based on what others have said here, sounds like it is well worththe > >price to me. > >Yes, I know , ain't got it yet, but do plan on picking it up thisweekend. > > Just buy it at EB. I know a fe people who picked up this game, and > were glad to have bought it at a store where they could return it > (their complaints were poor quality graphics, poor frame-rate, and > badly done tracks). All of which are bogus IMHO :-) But there is another great reason to buy from EB. I bought it for $29 a few days ago. I went to Best Buy and saw F1 2000 for $39.99. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. Please reply to: cisko[AT] ix [dot] netcom [dot] com

Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fF5H4.10434$[email hidden]... > OTH some more info could be helpful > F1-2000 appears to run like a dog (i.e. unplayable) on some systems, > especially dependant upon graphics cards. It is fine with a P2 and a 12MB Voodoo2 card. > There is a force feedback bug with the Guillemot wheel. No such bug with the logitech FF wheel. > The physics are not as cutting edge as might have been hoped. Not sure what this means, but they are far better than F1RS (the previous modern F1 king). > Despite the performance issues the graphics are not as state of art assome > more recent releases RC2000, SBK2000 & the forthcoming Rally Masters. IMHO the graphics are far better than any other modern F1 simulation. > The AI appear quite well behaved. > Racing against the AI on a system capable of running it is quite fun. > Sound is pretty pathetic. I disagree about the sound. I find it much better than F1RS. Others have posted here that it sounds quite realistic. Apparently all you need to do is attend one Formula 1 race. Do you have other information with regards to sound that would refute these people? Or does it just not sound right to you? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

I agree. I liked his use of "shan't" -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com Andrew <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cj1nn$jc6$[email hidden]... > Very nicely expressed Tony. > > Andrew. > > > Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jU6H4.10611$[email hidden]... > > Well David you had a choice: > > > > Help out a fellow sim player with a valid question - Should he buy F1-2000 > > > > Or have yet another stab at your considered "GPL fan club" > > > > You chose the latter. > > > > As Andrew hadn't made the recent claim "I give newcomers advise which > > encourages them to look at the positives of various sims, " I considered > > your post the most ironic. > > > > I guess it is a naive hope that knowledgeable members of this group could > > get on with some constructive discussions and help rather than get > embroiled > > in arguments. > > > > Let me indulge in one final opinion, which I hope you take the time to > read: > > > > The GPL fan club is not a collective group. I can only speak for myself. I > > would LOVE a new racing sim that puts GPL on a dusty shelf. The day I > bought > > GPL I also bought Colin Mcrae Rally. Since that we have had RC2000 and > Rally > > Masters is due for release. Both of which I would argue have a place on > the > > rally sims HD. CMR blown away in all departments - graphics, physics, > sound, > > hardware support etc. > > > > That is what I have come to expect & desire - top sims last a year or so, > to > > be blown away by the next generation. > > > > Where is the RC2000 equivalent in the racing sim genre? > > > > Hence the frustration as new sims come out - even if competent - that fail > > to capture the imagination and demand to played at the expense of all that > > has gone before it. > > > > Maybe expectations are too high - perhaps the racing genre has matured > > before the Rally sims & motorbike sims - such that a revolutionary product > > is beyond current production. > > > > I played F1GP so much - far more regularly than GPL - yet when Indycar > came > > out I switched immediately - for me it was a step forward. I am not so > > engrossed with GPL that if a new sim comes out tomorrow which I think is > > better I shan't drop GPL. > > > > I don't believe the loyalty you perceive to Papyrus & GPL exists to the > > extent you believe. I am as fickle & selfish as joe public when it comes > to > > computer games - probably more so cos I want the best & I want it now! > > > > I don't necessarily expect you to agree with me David, but I hope it goes > > someway to understanding why sometimes optimism turns to disappointment on > > this group. There is a passion here for great products which can overide > > rational discussion. F1-2000 is the classic case IMHO. The initial posts > > were so optimistic - it was great etc. Then it turned out not to be so > great > > & the negative posts (sad ones like "It Sucks") were in abundance. Things > > settle down & there are good and bad posts now. > > > > It is not a case of being negative from the outset - just too damned > > optimistic IMHO. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tony > > > > > > "David G Fisher" wrote > > > > > And Tony Rickard wrote a post in which he: > > > > > > A. Ignores a fellow GPL fan club member's ONE word answers which > preceded > > my > > > post, and which PREDICTABLY throw aside yet another excellent sim. > > > > > > B. Thinks no one will notice that I was simply copying, and by doing so, > > > commenting on, Andrew's childish response to the originator of this > > thread. > > > > > > Nice try Tony, but you and Andrew have once again proven the points > myself > > > and others have been making lately about GPL'ers on this forum. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > >

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nX7H4.550$[email hidden]...

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> > >oh, forgot there are no wet races :-) > > Like GPL? > > This is pathetic... > > Why is it that everytime somebody gives a negative position about a title, > the other person has to immediatly remark to him that GPL doesn't neither > have it. Where in his message did you see that the person was praising > GPL's weather? Why can't you assume it's a flaw for GPL?

Does GPL have weather effects or not? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DT7H4.545$[email hidden]... > "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote > You forgot the worst part of F1 2000 (which killed any sense of realismfor > me) : > > - The incredibly poor done tracks. So which modern F1 sim properly illustrates the tracks? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fB9H4.752$[email hidden]... > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Hmm, based on what others have said here, sounds like it is well worththe > > price to me. > > Yes, I know , ain't got it yet, but do plan on picking it up thisweekend. > > > This newsgroup clearly has mixed feelings. No side is higher than theother > from what I see, with some trustful r.a.s. poster on both sides of the F1 > 2000 question. Personally I feel it's very bad, but a tad superior toevery > other bad title on the market. As far as I can remember you think every modern F1 title is bad. So after a while you are ignored :-) Exactly which F1 sims do you like anyway? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Alexander Marx <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cirrb$6ddv0$[email hidden]... > the breakers: > - Terrible Track Accuracy - downright horrible Really. Give specific examples please. > - worse selection of driving views .. only bumper cam is acceptable but a > tad low No kidding. Something wrong with the cockpit view? Duh. > - Pathetic Sound In your opinion. IMHO the sound is quite a bit better than F1RS. > - Controls are only tolerable with lots and lots of tweaking and fiddling > with the ini files - out of the box it simply doesn't work Yes it does. Are you sure you don't have other issues? > - Frame rate (out of the box) is so bad it's unbelievable (that's on a > P3-500 with Voodoo3) Huh... I am getting 20fps in testing and 15 fps in quick races according to fraps. I have 22 opponants and 6 cars drawn. I am also using mirrors. I am running the game at 800x600 on my 12 MB Voodoo2 card. I have a lowley P2-450 with 128MB of ram. So what now... Is my PC optimized better than yours? Haha. > - Clueless AI Disagree. > - Tiny driver heads ;-) Only when you are driving :-) > - No Telemetry > - No decent replay mode > - No decent Multiplayer mode... unsuitable for LAN or I-Net racing...worst > of all: no qualifying or practice in multiplayer > - The Menu Music is somewhat funny ... there's an orchestral piece so > pathetic it makes me think Leonardo di Caprio is sinking... oh, forgotthere > are no wet races :-) I made a big deal when F1RS was released how I would not purchase a F1 game unless it modeled weather. Know what? I never ran rain races in F1RS, I always set it up for sunny days. So much for insisting on having weather in F1 games :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > and last but not least:: > => it's not GPL (sorry David, couldn't resist) > > > > >

GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cihqh$kq7$[email hidden]... > If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it. > > GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems. And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it is GP3???? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Joe Murphy <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZKYG4.2172$[email hidden]... > > Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out? > > > > > >

Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > There is no guarantee. But, just as we knew Falcon 4.0 will be the best > simply because it was Falcon 4.0, the same logic applies here. Now, > let's just hope the bugs will not be there in GP3 :) . > > I do think F1 2000 is not simply the best of the worst, but a very fine > racing simulation in its own right! Still, somehow I have the feeling I agree. > that GP3 will be more polished. I guess it will be a close call, though, > and I think F1 2000 is one of the reasons why GP3 is being pushed back > so much. Possibly. If GP3 has that ridiculous framerate problem (where occupancy over 100% produced lower laptimes while taking much longer in real time) which plagued World Circuit and GP2, then GP3 is done before it starts. Personally I will start there :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. Please reply to: cisko[AT] ix [dot] netcom [dot] com

> A total exaggeration! There have been several very positive posts aboutthe > accuracy of some tracks. For me it's the personal experience - I have driven on the Nurburgring, the Hockenheimring, Spa and Monza. > > - worse selection of driving views .. only bumper cam is acceptablebut a > > tad low > The cockpit view is perfect. Once again, experience - I have driven a Formula3 car and I've had the chance to take a seat inside a '99 McLaren. > > - Pathetic Sound > The sound is a realistic representation of a modern F1 engine. Do you ever > watch (and listen) to a Grand Prix these days? Well I better listen better next time then - I have been to 4 GPs last seasons, I will be there again at the Nurburgring May 20/21... when was the last time you visited an F1 GP ? > I don't have this problem. Usually the only problem is on the firstcouple > of corners, which is normal for a race. I always thought F1 Drivers usually want to survive the first couple of corners, as opposed to the F12K AI > >oh, forgot there are no wet races :-) > Like GPL? Like GP3

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote > Hmm, based on what others have said here, sounds like it is well worth the > price to me. > Yes, I know , ain't got it yet, but do plan on picking it up this weekend. This newsgroup clearly has mixed feelings. No side is higher than the other from what I see, with some trustful r.a.s. poster on both sides of the F1 2000 question. Personally I feel it's very bad, but a tad superior to every other bad title on the market. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> Well I better listen better next time then - I have been to 4 GPs last > seasons, I will be there again at the Nurburgring May 20/21... when wasthe > last time you visited an F1 GP ?It was Silverstone last year when Michael broke his leg. However, it is not from a spectators point of view that the sound should be based on. What is important is to listen on TV to the in-car shots, the engines make a very diffeent high pitched whining sound from inside the cockpit. > I always thought F1 Drivers usually want to survive the first couple of > corners, as opposed to the F12K AIThey want to survive the first couple of corners, but quite often don't! Iain

> Why is it that everytime somebody gives a negative position about a title, > the other person has to immediatly remark to him that GPL doesn't neither > have it. Where in his message did you see that the person was praising > GPL's weather? Why can't you assume it's a flaw for GPL? >The reason is that on this GPL appreciation NG, that comparisons are quite often made unfairly. There is a tendency for posters here to dismiss other titles out of hand before properly testing them. It is not always 'the other person' who does this either. If you look at this thread, it is your GPL person (Alexander Marx) who makes the initial reference when he said 'it's not GPL'. As I have said on many occasions, I love GPL and have been playing it since it came out, but I do get irritated by the constant 'nothing has or ever will touch the greatness of GPL' brigade. There is a lot of fun to be had by some non-GPL titles, and F12K is one of them. Iain

Very nicely expressed Tony. Andrew.

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> > GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8cihqh$kq7$[email hidden]... > > If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it. > > > > GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems. > > And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it > is GP3???? > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

There is no guarantee. But, just as we knew Falcon 4.0 will be the best simply because it was Falcon 4.0, the same logic applies here. Now, let's just hope the bugs will not be there in GP3 :) . I do think F1 2000 is not simply the best of the worst, but a very fine racing simulation in its own right! Still, somehow I have the feeling that GP3 will be more polished. I guess it will be a close call, though, and I think F1 2000 is one of the reasons why GP3 is being pushed back so much. -Gregor

Hehe, I remember a certain Greg Cisko who hated GPL because it didn't have ForceFeedback.... Remco "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: >I made a big deal when F1RS was released how I would not purchase >a F1 game unless it modeled weather. Know what? I never ran rain >races in F1RS, I always set it up for sunny days. So much for insisting >on having weather in F1 games :-)

Iain, I definitely agree... I absolutely love GPL, it is an amazing game, however people who completely dismiss the new titles coming out are definitely missing out. F1 2000 is an excellent game in my opinion despite its faults (especially on Non-Intel platforms!) and should definitely be played religiously :). We are going to be starting a LAN championship next weekend....and it is going to be excellent....I cant wait! Ashley http://www.twistedtech.co.uk Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3vfH4.29$[email hidden]... | > Why is it that everytime somebody gives a negative position about atitle, | > the other person has to immediatly remark to him that GPL doesn'tneither

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| > have it. Where in his message did you see that the person was praising | > GPL's weather? Why can't you assume it's a flaw for GPL? | > | The reason is that on this GPL appreciation NG, that comparisons are quite | often made unfairly. There is a tendency for posters here to dismiss other | titles out of hand before properly testing them. It is not always 'the | other person' who does this either. If you look at this thread, it is your | GPL person (Alexander Marx) who makes the initial reference when he said | 'it's not GPL'. | As I have said on many occasions, I love GPL and have been playing it

since | it came out, but I do get irritated by the constant 'nothing has or ever | will touch the greatness of GPL' brigade. There is a lot of fun to be hadby | some non-GPL titles, and F12K is one of them. | Iain | |

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> > Possibly. If GP3 has that ridiculous framerate problem (where occupancy > over 100% produced lower laptimes while taking much longer in real time) > which plagued World Circuit and GP2, then GP3 is done before it starts. > > Personally I will start there :-) > > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > Please reply to: cisko[AT] ix [dot] netcom [dot] com

I have to disagree a bit. On my both machines (P200 and now PIII450) I had GP2 setup so that the occupancy was always below 100% which kept a consistent framerate. Only when things got realy hairy did the occupancy suffer. It is annoying that the laptimes were lower, but this did compensate for the effect that there is less control when a framerate is low, so it gave you a better (more realistic ?) chance. But it is something that kills multiplayer. Which, in an internet form, will not be included (perhaps for this reason?). -Gregor

Greg I agree with everything you say.... But...on my brothers AMD Machine (450MHz, 128Meg, Voodoo 3, SB 128) it is impossible to play, even on the lowest setting (in which it looks like Chequered Flag for the Speccy! - Who remembers that one??). I think that it has been tailored towards intel...probably as these were the development machines. Its quite depressing as we cant have a decent network race. Ash | > OTH some more info could be helpful | > F1-2000 appears to run like a dog (i.e. unplayable) on some systems, | > especially dependant upon graphics cards. | | It is fine with a P2 and a 12MB Voodoo2 card. |

Thanks for filling in the gaps - it was never intended (& this was hopefully clear) to be a definitive answer to the posters question. For sure F1-2000 is the best modern day sim. However, with recent advances in rally and motorbike sims I had hoped the next racing sim would be a major advancement over previous racing sims. We haven't had an open wheel for some time so expectations were high. Hence my comments on graphics, sound & physics. I think it is a tough call - there are a number here that love it - others that don't. I guess the best advice is try it - if it runs well on your system and you like - keep it. Otherwise return it. Without trying it & giving it some effort you may be missing out on a fun experience. As for the sound - yes I have been to Grand Prix. The sound is amazing - fierce, raucous, incredibly loud. The multiple downshifts were like fireworks exploding. Definately not conveyed in the external views in the replays (which I think is the poorest implementation due to weak sounds & stepped frequency changes). What I have not done is to ride in an F1 car with a helmet on to sample the sounds (I wish!). See my other post on F1 sim sound for my theory on sound :) Cheers Tony "Greg Cisko" wrote

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> Tony Rickard wrote > > OTH some more info could be helpful > > F1-2000 appears to run like a dog (i.e. unplayable) on some systems, > > especially dependant upon graphics cards. > > It is fine with a P2 and a 12MB Voodoo2 card. > > > There is a force feedback bug with the Guillemot wheel. > > No such bug with the logitech FF wheel. > > > The physics are not as cutting edge as might have been hoped. > > Not sure what this means, but they are far better than F1RS > (the previous modern F1 king). > > > Despite the performance issues the graphics are not as state of art as > some > > more recent releases RC2000, SBK2000 & the forthcoming Rally Masters. > > IMHO the graphics are far better than any other modern F1 simulation. > > > The AI appear quite well behaved. > > Racing against the AI on a system capable of running it is quite fun. > > Sound is pretty pathetic. > > I disagree about the sound. I find it much better than F1RS. Others > have posted here that it sounds quite realistic. Apparently all you > need to do is attend one Formula 1 race. Do you have other information > with regards to sound that would refute these people? Or does it > just not sound right to you? > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > >

"Greg Cisko" wrote > I agree. I liked his use of "shan't" > > > > I am not so engrossed with GPL that if a new sim comes out tomorrowwhich I think is > > > better I shan't drop GPL. Hmmm. not the best line I have ever posted on RAS, probably won't be the worst though :) I does mean I WILL drop GPL if something better comes along. Ideally I would like a good selection of auto sims Modern F1 racing Champ car Rally car Historical Touring car Single make Road car sims Car chase sims etc. Currently there is huge variance of quality which tends to make me favour one particular sim at this time. Hopefully this will change and the desire for a selection of similar quality sims will be realised. I do expect 2000 releases to be significantly better than 1998. This is what we are used to. I don't want to stop at a 1998 sim! Tony

> F1 2000 is an excellent game in my opinion despite its faults > (especially on Non-Intel platforms!) and should definitely be played > religiously :).It runs like a dream on my (non-Intel) 750MHz Athlon! Iain

> > There is a force feedback bug with the Guillemot wheel. > > No such bug with the logitech FF wheel.There is a bug with the v1.23 Guillemot drivers. If you revert to the drivers that came on the Ferrari CD then everything is fine! Iain

Greg, How did you get out of that message that he said GP3 will be better? Re-read both messages closely. I saw two answers from GraDee, one for each question the original poster asked. Is it just me, or are there too many posts, recently, where someone reads too much into a post and responds inappropriately? I rarely post messages (mostly try to grab pertinent information for my viewing pleasure) but this type of knee-jerk response to a perfectly legitimate post has been really bugging me lately. Maybe everyone can tone down their passions just a little bit and be thankful for all the great driving sims/games we have to drive/play with... ;-) Sorry to be picking on just you Greg, as several others have been guilty of the same thing, but I just couldn't take it anymore! I feel better now... and again, sorry Greg... :-) Dave Ericson MomoBoy online JDB Racing Greg Cisko wrote:

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> GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8cihqh$kq7$[email hidden]... > > If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it. > > > > GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems. > > And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it > is GP3???? > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > Joe Murphy <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ZKYG4.2172$[email hidden]... > > > Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out? > > > > > > > > > >

That was his evil twin. Now, where's the *good* Fisher twin? <j/k> Remco Moedt wrote:

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> > Hehe, I remember a certain Greg Cisko who hated GPL because it didn't > have ForceFeedback.... > > Remco > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > > >I made a big deal when F1RS was released how I would not purchase > >a F1 game unless it modeled weather. Know what? I never ran rain > >races in F1RS, I always set it up for sunny days. So much for insisting > >on having weather in F1 games :-)

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > As far as I can remember you think every modern F1 title is bad. > So after a while you are ignored :-) Exactly which F1 sims do you > like anyway? I find satisfaction at no F1 title at the moment, actually. Maybe someday? Some of them are darn close to being satisfying to my eyes, but have those little nitpicks (such as the poor track accuracy in F12k) that spoils everything for me. My taste can vary with ages. RC2k has lived past the hype and with the CFG file I can accurately model myself my impression of Rally Racing like -I- want and -I- feel is the most realistic possible. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > Does GPL have weather effects or not? Nope, and I don't feel it's a problem for me. Quite like I feel it's not a problem for F1 2000 either. Or variable weather in RC2k. Or better weather in Papyrus Stock-car software. It's not an essential problem for me, just an added bonus. Now for track accuracy... that's another thing 8) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > So which modern F1 sim properly illustrates the tracks? Some do it better than others. I've said it often, but some user-created tracks for GP2 are the best you can find out there. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Tracey A Miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:38ef5c3b$0$[email hidden]... > Frank is a trouble maker because he doesn't like the current crop of The nutcake is a trouble maker because he is whining about track innaccuracy which is not true. Imola is way more accurate than his blanket statements. that makes him a trouble maker. I may not like NFS or dirttrack racing or TOCA or viper. But I am not constantly flaming those sims. Frankie seems to get too much delight in pointing out what he considers flaws in just about every F1 sim I can remember. Screw him... IMHO. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > F1 sims? If Papyrus didn't exist, would that make NASCAR 2000 a great > sim since it would be the best NASCAR sim by default? > > Would CPR then be regarded as the definitive CART sim since ICR2 never > existed? Being the best of a sorry lot doesn't necessarily equate to > excellence. > > F1 2000 is a somewhat entertaining racing game with decent physics, > but let's not put it on a pedestal just because there is a vacancy. > > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message > news:8cnclg$6t1$[email hidden]... > > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9dtH4.8034$[email hidden]... > > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > > > > As far as I can remember you think every modern F1 title is bad. > > > > So after a while you are ignored :-) Exactly which F1 sims do > you > > > > like anyway? > > > > > > > > > I find satisfaction at no F1 title at the moment, actually. > > > > That is what I thought... You are just basicly a trouble maker. > > F1 2000 is great and the tracks are not that bad. You are like > > a troublesome incect now :-) > > > > -- > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming > hordes. > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > > > > > >

Tracey A Miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:38ef7a90$0$[email hidden]... > When one attacks someone personally because they don't like a product, > he has put that product on a pedastal - beyond reproach. Are you making this up as you go along??? I am getting ready to personally attack you, but that doesn't have anything to do with putting any sim on a pedastal. It has to do with the fact that you are starting to act like an ahole. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zqJH4.624$[email hidden]... > > > F1 2000 is a somewhat entertaining racing game with decent > physics, > > > but let's not put it on a pedestal just because there is a > vacancy. > > > > > That's not what Greg is saying at all! > > Read the posts properly. F12K is a great racing sim whether there > are other > > ones out there or not. > > Iain > > > > > >

"Greg Cisko" wrote > Are you making this up as you go along??? No, I have a short list of prepared statements I just cut and paste from depending on the conversation. > I am getting ready > to personally attack you, Allow me some time to seek shelter, oooooh scary. > you are starting to act like an ahole. At least for me it's an act.

Tracey A Miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:38efd621$0$[email hidden]... > > "Greg Cisko" wrote > > Are you making this up as you go along??? > > No, I have a short list of prepared statements I just cut and paste > from depending on the conversation. Makes sense... -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > I am getting ready > > to personally attack you, > > Allow me some time to seek shelter, oooooh scary. > > > you are starting to act like an ahole. > > At least for me it's an act. > > >

When one attacks someone personally because they don't like a product, he has put that product on a pedastal - beyond reproach. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zqJH4.624$[email hidden]... > > F1 2000 is a somewhat entertaining racing game with decentphysics, > > but let's not put it on a pedestal just because there is avacancy. > > > That's not what Greg is saying at all! > Read the posts properly. F12K is a great racing sim whether thereare other > ones out there or not. > Iain > >

Frank is a trouble maker because he doesn't like the current crop of F1 sims? If Papyrus didn't exist, would that make NASCAR 2000 a great sim since it would be the best NASCAR sim by default? Would CPR then be regarded as the definitive CART sim since ICR2 never existed? Being the best of a sorry lot doesn't necessarily equate to excellence. F1 2000 is a somewhat entertaining racing game with decent physics, but let's not put it on a pedestal just because there is a vacancy. "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8cnclg$6t1$[email hidden]... > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9dtH4.8034$[email hidden]... > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > > > As far as I can remember you think every modern F1 title is bad. > > > So after a while you are ignored :-) Exactly which F1 sims doyou

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I agree, weather is no big deal, and I don't think that some track > > inaccuracy is either unless you have been used to driving the actual > track! > > > Which is why I can't stand F1 2000 ;)

Right... I don't remember seeing you racing in F1 recently. You are totally fucking nuts with this track inaccuracy stuff. The tracks are not that bad, certainly not like Road and Tracks F1. In fact I think the tracks are much better than F1RS. Wow. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ugtH4.8037$[email hidden]... > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > > So which modern F1 sim properly illustrates the tracks? > > > Some do it better than others. I've said it often, but some user-created > tracks for GP2 are the best you can find out there. Yeah, but it is still GP2... Just face it for whatever reason no new modern F1 sim will satisfy you. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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That is what I thought... You are just basicly a trouble maker. F1 2000 is great and the tracks are not that bad. You are like a troublesome incect now :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Hehe, I remember a certain Greg Cisko who hated GPL because it didn't > have ForceFeedback.... Absolutely. And GPL is awesome with FF. Just great. But I find that I don't really play the game as the era just doesn't interest me, and I am not into the tracks at all. I want modern F1 :-) So GPL gets removed too... -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Remco > > "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > > >I made a big deal when F1RS was released how I would not purchase > >a F1 game unless it modeled weather. Know what? I never ran rain > >races in F1RS, I always set it up for sunny days. So much for insisting > >on having weather in F1 games :-) >

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> Greg I agree with everything you say.... > > But...on my brothers AMD Machine (450MHz, 128Meg, Voodoo 3, SB 128) it is > impossible to play, even on the lowest setting (in which it looks like > Chequered Flag for the Speccy! - Who remembers that one??). > > I think that it has been tailored towards intel...probably as these were

the > development machines. Its quite depressing as we cant have a decentnetwork > race. Wow. I didn't realize that. Too bad. I hope he gets it sorted out. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It is annoying that the laptimes were lower, but this did compensate for > the effect that there is less control when a framerate is low, so it > gave you a better (more realistic ?) chance. But it is something that Absolutly not!! F1 racing is not only about timing (as Dave mentioned) but about quick reflexes. Driving in slow-mo or super-slo-mo doesn't cut it... And if GP3 has this type of engine design, then it will be the first in the series to not get purchased by me. Heck, if past performance is *ANY* indicator, I expect GP2 to totally suck online and have not FF or 3D support. The engine sound should be cool though :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > kills multiplayer. Which, in an internet form, will not be included > (perhaps for this reason?). > > -Gregor

Dear David Ericson, And exactly what questions do you have about my interpretation of these posts with regards to GP3??? See below... Regards, Greg Cisko Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <8ckm3b$fme$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" > <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > > > >And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it > >is GP3???? > > > > Well IMHO GP2 is a far better sim than F1 2000. The whole thing > just seems to be far more representative of Grand Prix racing. > It's hard to imagine that GP3 will be worse than GP2 so it > obviously will be better than F1 2000.

Sure thing pal, whatever you say. Oh boy. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Chris > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! >

David R. Ericson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Greg, > > How did you get out of that message that he said GP3 will be better? > Re-read both messages closely. It was his anticipation of GP3 coming out later this year. Like GP3 is going to be something... > I saw two answers from GraDee, one for each question the original poster > asked. > > Is it just me, or are there too many posts, recently, where someone reads > too much into a post and responds inappropriately? I rarely post messages I think I read exactly what the poster intended me to read. F1 2000 will hold him over until GP3 comes out. I think just about everyone got that much out of it. > (mostly try to grab pertinent information for my viewing pleasure) butthis > type of knee-jerk response to a perfectly legitimate post has been really > bugging me lately. Maybe everyone can tone down their passions just a > little bit and be thankful for all the great driving sims/games we have to > drive/play with... ;-) > > Sorry to be picking on just you Greg, as several others have been guiltyof > the same thing, but I just couldn't take it anymore! Oh no!!! I hope you were not permanently damaged by my reply :-) > I feel better now... and again, sorry Greg... :-) Don't worry about it, it won't be the last time :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8cncqs$gb5$[email hidden]... > first in the series to not get purchased by me. Heck, if past performance > is *ANY* indicator, I expect GP2 to totally suck online and have not > FF or 3D support. The engine sound should be cool though :-) I meant, I expect GP3 to totally suck online and have not FF or 3D support. The engine sound should be cool though :-) Obviously GP2 was a typo. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8clgfd$qrr$[email hidden]... > All of which are bogus IMHO :-) But there is another great reason to > buy from EB. I bought it for $29 a few days ago. I went to Best Buy > and saw F1 2000 for $39.99. Well damn! :) I stopped by Best Buy on the way home from work today and paid 39.99 for it. EB was only 10 minutes away from Best Buy, only it's in the mall and I HATE malls. Aww heck, worth the extra 10 bucks to stay away from the mallies. Don Burnette

In article <[email hidden]>, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have to disagree a bit. On my both machines (P200 and now PIII450) I >had GP2 setup so that the occupancy was always below 100% which kept a >consistent framerate. Only when things got realy hairy did the occupancy >suffer. Problem there is that you have to set details to the lowest common denominator. That is, you have to turn it down so you don't get a PO of significantly greater than 100% at the one or two hairy parts of the course (or start). Then you suffer with less details for the rest of the race where you otherwise could have had much higher detail if, IMHO, he made the "proper" engine choice. One solution is to just cut the detail level on-the-fly. >It is annoying that the laptimes were lower, but this did compensate for >the effect that there is less control when a framerate is low, so it >gave you a better (more realistic ?) chance. Yes in a way, but I still find it unacceptable. Sure, it is smoother allowing easier control. But it is also crawling along. Real racing is somewhat about timing. A variable timeclock kills this. One time through a turn, it is fast, next when crowded, slow. I've ranted on this subject for years, and it really is manageable (though still a stooopid choice) so I'll take a breather now :-)

> Nope, and I don't feel it's a problem for me. Quite like I feel it's nota > problem for F1 2000 either. Or variable weather in RC2k. Or betterweather > in Papyrus Stock-car software. It's not an essential problem for me, just > an added bonus. Now for track accuracy... that's another thing 8) I agree, weather is no big deal, and I don't think that some track inaccuracy is either unless you have been used to driving the actual track! Iain

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > I agree, weather is no big deal, and I don't think that some track > inaccuracy is either unless you have been used to driving the actualtrack! Which is why I can't stand F1 2000 ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

That is what I thought... You are just basicly a trouble maker. F1 2000 is great and the tracks are not that bad. You are like a troublesome incect now :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

"Greg Cisko" wrote No, I have a short list of prepared statements I just cut and paste from depending on the conversation. Allow me some time to seek shelter, oooooh scary. At least for me it's an act.

In article <8ckm3b$fme$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > >And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it >is GP3???? > Well IMHO GP2 is a far better sim than F1 2000. The whole thing just seems to be far more representative of Grand Prix racing. It's hard to imagine that GP3 will be worse than GP2 so it obviously will be better than F1 2000. Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

I agree, and have just watched Rubens B from an in car shot going round Imola and was very impressed by how accurate F12K is to that track. I was also very impressed by the accuracy of Interlagos a couple of weeks ago. Iain Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8cncf7$8b6$[email hidden]...

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> ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yqBH4.52945$[email hidden]... > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > I agree, weather is no big deal, and I don't think that some track > > > inaccuracy is either unless you have been used to driving the actual > > track! > > > > > > Which is why I can't stand F1 2000 ;) > > Right... I don't remember seeing you racing in F1 recently. > You are totally fucking nuts with this track inaccuracy stuff. > The tracks are not that bad, certainly not like Road and Tracks > F1. In fact I think the tracks are much better than F1RS. > > Wow. > > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

> F1 2000 is a somewhat entertaining racing game with decent physics, > but let's not put it on a pedestal just because there is a vacancy. >That's not what Greg is saying at all! Read the posts properly. F12K is a great racing sim whether there are other ones out there or not. Iain

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> [email hidden] (lbaum) wrote: > > >I can't imagine someone saying that the Ubisoft F1 looks way better than > >this one. Are you sure that something didn't go wrong with the > >installation? Are you using some ancient videocard? > > Tried it on a TNT2 and Voodoo3. Atholon (sp?) 700 CPU. But ugly and > dog slow.

Huh... -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I can only assume that this guy has a sense of humour! > > I do, but I'm not joking. I played the game on an Atholon 700 w/ TNT2. > It was ugly AND slow. > > The game may well have a good physics model. Sounds like it does, and > that's great. But to pretend the graphics engine is not a dog is a > disservice to the people reading this newsgroup.

OK what framerates do you get with FRAPS at 800x600? It is better than I am reporting? I am not going to argue with you about this, but I am fasinated to know why it apparently performs better on my P2-450 than on your 700mhz Anthlon. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

Serial # 19781010 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The graphics on this game suck. For a 200o release, you'd think that > the graphics would be way better! Yeah, that is real easy for some anonymous asshole to say. I think you don't even *OWN* the game, let alone try to run it with a decent video card. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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> "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >All of which are bogus IMHO :-) > > I disagree. The game is frightfully ugly and slow (either one by > itself might be forgiveable, but the combination certainly isn't). The > 2-year-old Ubisoft F1 game looked WAY better than this.

Sorry. Not on my rig. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > I may not like NFS or dirttrack racing or TOCA or viper. > But I am not constantly flaming those sims. Frankie seems > to get too much delight in pointing out what he considers > flaws in just about every F1 sim I can remember. It's not GPL so who cares? -- eh! -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: >All of which are bogus IMHO :-) I disagree. The game is frightfully ugly and slow (either one by itself might be forgiveable, but the combination certainly isn't). The 2-year-old Ubisoft F1 game looked WAY better than this. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

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>"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>All of which are bogus IMHO :-) > >I disagree. The game is frightfully ugly and slow (either one by >itself might be forgiveable, but the combination certainly isn't). The >2-year-old Ubisoft F1 game looked WAY better than this. >

I can't imagine someone saying that the Ubisoft F1 looks way better than this one. Are you sure that something didn't go wrong with the installation? Are you using some ancient videocard?

I can only assume that this guy has a sense of humour! Iain

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> I disagree. The game is frightfully ugly and slow (either one by > itself might be forgiveable, but the combination certainly isn't). The > 2-year-old Ubisoft F1 game looked WAY better than this. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I can only assume that this guy has a sense of humour! I do, but I'm not joking. I played the game on an Atholon 700 w/ TNT2. It was ugly AND slow. The game may well have a good physics model. Sounds like it does, and that's great. But to pretend the graphics engine is not a dog is a disservice to the people reading this newsgroup. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

[email hidden] (lbaum) wrote: >I can't imagine someone saying that the Ubisoft F1 looks way better than >this one. Are you sure that something didn't go wrong with the >installation? Are you using some ancient videocard? Tried it on a TNT2 and Voodoo3. Atholon (sp?) 700 CPU. But ugly and dog slow. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

> Tried it on a TNT2 and Voodoo3. Atholon (sp?) 700 CPU. But ugly and > dog slow. Something is very wrong with your setup - I'm running a Celeron 416 with a TNT(1) and it looks better than any other F1 sim with very acceptable framerates. Have you turned *any* details down or is your judgement only based on 'everything on full'? bod

The graphics on this game suck. For a 200o release, you'd think that the graphics would be way better! On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:45:18 GMT, [email hidden] (Joe62) wrote:

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>"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>All of which are bogus IMHO :-) > >I disagree. The game is frightfully ugly and slow (either one by >itself might be forgiveable, but the combination certainly isn't). The >2-year-old Ubisoft F1 game looked WAY better than this. > >Joe McGinn >_____________________ >Radical Entertainment

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> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:49:47 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> > wrote: > > >...but I am fasinated to know why it apparently performs better > >on my P2-450 than on your 700mhz Anthlon. > > I'm not sure it does. I'm sure I was getting 15-20 fps. Unacceptably > slow for any 3d-accelerated racing game, but especialy for a serious > sim. In any case, the game has gone back already.

OK cool. We can stop bickering about it then :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:36:12 +0100, "bod" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Something is very wrong with your setup ... > > Oh please. I played it on three different systems that are all working > fine. And besides, even people who like the game are apparently very > torlerant of low frame-rates (describing 15fps as acceptable and so > on).

Yes this could be my problem... F1 2000 could be right on the edge for me. Also, it is strange that my P2-450 may be performing the same in this game as your AMD Anthlon 700. That would be weird. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

David R. Ericson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Reading GraDee's post closely, you'll see that all he did was answer Joe's > questions to the best of his knowledge... nothing more, nothing less.Because > you seem to be on a crusade to defend any post that could possibly benegative > toward driving sims/games that you like, you are guilty of jumping the gunon > some posts that just answer questions without any depth of bias. When it comes to people making outright false statements yes. Especially blanket statements like the tracks in F1 2000 are bad. However you try to point things out to me, the fact remains that most believe that GP3 will be the modern F1 savior. I would not be so sure about that. I totally expected F1 2000 to totally suck. It didn;t and in fact raised the notch a bit. GP3 may be in for some serious competition. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:49:47 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: >...but I am fasinated to know why it apparently performs better >on my P2-450 than on your 700mhz Anthlon. I'm not sure it does. I'm sure I was getting 15-20 fps. Unacceptably slow for any 3d-accelerated racing game, but especialy for a serious sim. In any case, the game has gone back already.

On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:36:12 +0100, "bod" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Something is very wrong with your setup ... Oh please. I played it on three different systems that are all working fine. And besides, even people who like the game are apparently very torlerant of low frame-rates (describing 15fps as acceptable and so on).

Greg, My question was regarding your direct response to GraDee. It seems I must directly quote each post leading up to your inappropriate (IMHO) post in order for you to understand where I'm coming from. The original poster of the questions was Joe Murphy. His subject line was "F1 2000 should i buy it?" and the content of his message had the two questions... "Is it worth the �34.00.When is GP3 out?" Notice he asked when GP3 would be out. GraDee responded to Joe's post with the following: "If you want the most modern F1 sim then yes, this one is worth it. GP3 will be out late summer to early autumn it seems." Reading GraDee's post closely, you'll see that all he did was answer Joe's questions to the best of his knowledge... nothing more, nothing less. Because you seem to be on a crusade to defend any post that could possibly be negative toward driving sims/games that you like, you are guilty of jumping the gun on some posts that just answer questions without any depth of bias. Yes, others who have responded to Joe's questions have said some negative things about F1 2000, but if you just read the words in GraDee's response to Joe's questions, it's beyond me how you can get that he was saying GP3 will be better. He just answered the question of when GP3 would be out! You came back with "And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it is GP3????" Another case in point to the fact that you read too much into other people's posts... your response to me <below> assumes that I was commenting on your interpretation of more than one post under this subject/title. That's simply not true. Again, if you re-read my post word for word, I was only commenting/complaining about your response to GraDee. I specifically used the words "that message". Please stop trying to read people's minds, you're obviously not a psychic. Regards, Dave Ericson MomoBoy online JDB Racing Greg Cisko wrote:

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> Dear David Ericson, > > And exactly what questions do you have about my interpretation > of these posts with regards to GP3??? See below... > > Regards, > Greg Cisko > > Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <8ckm3b$fme$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" > > <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > > > > > >And why exactly do you think GP3 will be better? Because it > > >is GP3???? > > > > > > > Well IMHO GP2 is a far better sim than F1 2000. The whole thing > > just seems to be far more representative of Grand Prix racing. > > It's hard to imagine that GP3 will be worse than GP2 so it > > obviously will be better than F1 2000. > > Sure thing pal, whatever you say. Oh boy. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > Chris > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network > * > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > >

Either there is something wrong with your setup, or installation or ... you need help! Iain Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (lbaum) wrote: > > >I can't imagine someone saying that the Ubisoft F1 looks way better than > >this one. Are you sure that something didn't go wrong with the > >installation? Are you using some ancient videocard? > > Tried it on a TNT2 and Voodoo3. Atholon (sp?) 700 CPU. But ugly and > dog slow. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

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> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:36:12 +0100, "bod" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Something is very wrong with your setup ... > > Oh please. I played it on three different systems that are all working > fine. And besides, even people who like the game are apparently very > torlerant of low frame-rates (describing 15fps as acceptable and so > on).

Okay, whatever. I can get a consistent 20-25fps @ 800x600 on my 18 month old system, and keep the game looking good, yet you can't run it acceptably on a system with at least twice the horsepower. Makes me wonder if I really need to go get that GeForce on Friday : P

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:39:57 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: >Also, it is strange that my P2-450 may be performing the same in this >game as your AMD Anthlon 700. That would be weird. Maybe it doesn't like TNT cards. You have a Voodoo2 right?

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> David R. Ericson <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Reading GraDee's post closely, you'll see that all he did was answer Joe's > > questions to the best of his knowledge... nothing more, nothing less. > Because > > you seem to be on a crusade to defend any post that could possibly be > negative > > toward driving sims/games that you like, you are guilty of jumping the gun > on > > some posts that just answer questions without any depth of bias. > > When it comes to people making outright false statements yes. Especially > blanket statements like the tracks in F1 2000 are bad. > > However you try to point things out to me, the fact remains that most > believe that GP3 will be the modern F1 savior. I would not be so sure > about that. I totally expected F1 2000 to totally suck. It didn;t and in > fact raised the notch a bit. GP3 may be in for some serious competition.

Acutally, I don't think F1 has a savior... of course I'm partial to fenders and side-by-side bumper to bumper racing, not boring follow the leader racing. <ducking for cover now> :-) Just because you're on the defensive from several people voicing negative opinions about a game you love, that doesn't mean you have to attack any posts that don't praise that game. Sometimes people can give unbiased information to other people... it really does happen. Dave

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> > > Tried it on a TNT2 and Voodoo3. Atholon (sp?) 700 CPU. But ugly and > > dog slow. > > Something is very wrong with your setup - I'm running a Celeron 416 with a > TNT(1) and it looks better than any other F1 sim with very acceptable > framerates. > Have you turned *any* details down or is your judgement only based on > 'everything on full'? > > bod

I'm running a K6-2/450 and a Voodoo3 3000 AGP. Without mirrors I can get up to 40fps with turning off about 1/2 of the graphic options. Joel Willstein [email hidden]

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> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:39:57 -0500, "Greg Cisko" > <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > > >Also, it is strange that my P2-450 may be performing the same in this > >game as your AMD Anthlon 700. That would be weird. > > Maybe it doesn't like TNT cards. You have a Voodoo2 right?

Yep. 12MB Voodoo2 -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> I disagree. The game is frightfully ugly and slow (either one by > itself might be forgiveable, but the combination certainly isn't). The > 2-year-old Ubisoft F1 game looked WAY better than this. > > Joe McGinn Joe, I saw terrible graphics as well on my TNT2U until I updated my 6 month old drivers. I.E., no trees, no elevation changes, sparse track side objects, no clouds, and flat gray pavement. Otherwise, the game ran fine, and I thought that it was a graphically bare attempt. Because my drivers weren't that old, and everything else ran well, I hesitated doing the update. Now I have a far superior game to F1RS, IMHO. The impression of speed at Hockenheim is incredible.

"Dan Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Because my drivers weren't that old, and everything else ran well, I >hesitated doing the update. Now I have a far superior game to F1RS, IMHO. Thanks for the suggestion, but I did try that. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment