EA Nascar SimRacing...

Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they are taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus engine. Here's a link: http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? Can we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? -- Shock

I think they are using a version of the ISI game engine, some ISI employees, along with some former Papyrus employees. -- David G Fisher "Shock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qd9wd.9845$[email hidden]... > Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they > are taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus > engine. Here's a link: > > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp > > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? > Can we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? > > -- > Shock

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> Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they > are taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus > engine. Here's a link: > > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp > > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? > Can we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? > > -- > Shock

Here's hoping a new tradition is starting. Time for a change.

I refuse to purchase an EA game due to their business practices with exclusive licenses. This includes Nascar SimRacing. "Shock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qd9wd.9845$[email hidden]...

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> Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they are > taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus engine. > Here's a link: > > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp > > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? Can > we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? > > -- > Shock

Amen brotha... "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2Kfwd.4> > Here's hoping a new tradition is starting. Time for a change. > > >

Amen brotha... > Here's hoping a new tradition is starting. Time for a change.

EA can keep that game I don't care who is on the team or how good it is. I'm not supporting that company ever again. Excusive right everyehere. Classaction lawsuits for poor treatment of it's workers. I hope I'm still alive they day the company folds and the current CEO dies so I can send my regards :) Just one guys choice. "Shock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qd9wd.9845$[email hidden]...

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> Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they are > taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus engine. > Here's a link: > > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp > > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? Can > we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? > > -- > Shock

This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license agreement, and just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like this? Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 in October, close to 60 now. "Buck411" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UJfwd.148628$[email hidden]... :I refuse to purchase an EA game due to their business practices with : exclusive licenses. This includes Nascar SimRacing. : : : "Shock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qd9wd.9845$[email hidden]... : > Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by : > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they are : > taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus engine. : > Here's a link: : > : > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp : > : > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? Can : > we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? : > : > -- : > Shock : :

Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) is hilarious. "Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license agreement,and

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> just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like this? > Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 in > October, close to 60 now. > > > "Buck411" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UJfwd.148628$[email hidden]... > :I refuse to purchase an EA game due to their business practices with > : exclusive licenses. This includes Nascar SimRacing. > : > : > : "Shock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:Qd9wd.9845$[email hidden]... > : > Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decisionby

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> : > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they > are > : > taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus engine. > : > Here's a link: > : > > : > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp > : > > : > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on?

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> : > we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? > : > > : > -- > : > Shock > : > : > >

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:36:34 -0500, David G Fisher wrote: > I think they are using a version of the ISI game engine, some ISI employees, > along with some former Papyrus employees. > I can see the barfight breaking out at the xmas party between the two camps ;-) uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) is hilarious. > > > > "Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license agreement, > and > > just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like

this? > > Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 in > > October, close to 60 now. Exclusive licensing agreements suck for the consumer. Before, we had several choices and competition in Nascar sims and games and now we have one console game and one PC sim to choose from. How is that better? I blame Nascar and the NFL for going for the cash grab instead of thinking of the people that their businesses are built on. The fans. EA has been begging for these exclusive deals for years. They know they have the deep pockets to afford them and what better way to beat your competition than to just take them out of the game. I love top posting.

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>SimRacing... >From: "Kyle Roberts" [email hidden] >Date: 12/17/2004 4:32 P.M. Central Standard Time >Message-id: <p8Jwd.122$[email hidden]> > > >"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ihtwd.39$[email hidden]... >> Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) is hilarious. >> >> >> >> "Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license agreement, >> and >> > just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like >this? >> > Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 in >> > October, close to 60 now. > >Exclusive licensing agreements suck for the consumer. Before, we had several >choices and competition in Nascar sims and games and now we have one console >game and one PC sim to choose from.

Booohooo..... Probably not true, but if is, then boohoooooo anyway. How is that better? I blame Nascar and >the NFL for going for the cash grab instead of thinking of the people that >their businesses are built on. The fans. EA has been begging for these >exclusive deals for years. You won't blow a freaking measily $50-$70 on a damn game? Better to spend time this way?? If you'll be sorely missed as a customer I'm sure someone will let you know ASAP. They know they have the deep pockets to afford >them and what better way to beat your competition than to just take them out >of the game. > Politics of sim racing and development... Gotta be kidding me...? >I love top posting. Nobody can stop you :-) Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p8Jwd.122$[email hidden]... > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ihtwd.39$[email hidden]... > > Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) ishilarious. > > > > > > > > "Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive licenseagreement,

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> > and > > > just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like > this? > > > Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 in > > > October, close to 60 now. > > Exclusive licensing agreements suck for the consumer. Before, we had

several > choices and competition in Nascar sims and games and now we have oneconsole > game and one PC sim to choose from. How is that better? I blame Nascar and > the NFL for going for the cash grab instead of thinking of the people that > their businesses are built on. The fans. EA has been begging for these > exclusive deals for years. They know they have the deep pockets to afford > them and what better way to beat your competition than to just take themout > of the game. > > I love top posting. > Glad you're anal about posting methods. Try getting out more. Regarding the rest of your post, if you think any major sports org, especially Nascar, cares about the fans, at least the fans in the sense of you and I, I got a bridge to sell ya. In terms of exclusive licenses, who cares. Let's do a hypothetical (or maybe not) Nascar board meeting regarding licensing for the future.... Suits: Chief, it's again time to decide what pc gaming company should get our license. Chief: Right. Who's the contenders this year. Suits: Same as the last several years; Sierra/Papyrus and EA Sports. Chief: Right. I want input. Suits: Sierra/Papyrus have had a license since 1994. EA Sports since 1998, for the pc. Chief: Right. Opinions ? Suits: While having a license for a shorter time, EA has completely sponsored several of our races each year for the last few years, as well as having contigency sponsorships with many of the teams. Also have hosted hospitality events at the races, as well as having a deal with the TV networks, where the latest EA game is used for demonstrations. They've shown a real desire to work with us, to benefit both parties. Chief: Right. Impressive. What about this Sierra/Papyrus ? What have they done with/for us, besides using our license ? Suit: <silence>................................................................... ......................... I know who I'd want to have my license.

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> "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:p8Jwd.122$[email hidden]... > >>"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:ihtwd.39$[email hidden]... >> >>> Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) is > > hilarious. > >>> >>> >>>"Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>news:[email hidden]... >>> >>>>This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license > > agreement, > >>>and >>> >>>>just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like >> >>this? >> >>>>Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 in >>>>October, close to 60 now. >> >>Exclusive licensing agreements suck for the consumer. Before, we had > > several > >>choices and competition in Nascar sims and games and now we have one > > console > >>game and one PC sim to choose from. How is that better? I blame Nascar and >>the NFL for going for the cash grab instead of thinking of the people that >>their businesses are built on. The fans. EA has been begging for these >>exclusive deals for years. They know they have the deep pockets to afford >>them and what better way to beat your competition than to just take them > > out > >>of the game. >> >>I love top posting. >> > > > Glad you're anal about posting methods. Try getting out more. > > Regarding the rest of your post, if you think any major sports org, > especially Nascar, cares about the fans, at least the fans in the sense of > you and I, I got a bridge to sell ya. > > In terms of exclusive licenses, who cares. > > Let's do a hypothetical (or maybe not) Nascar board meeting regarding > licensing for the future.... > > Suits: Chief, it's again time to decide what pc gaming company should get > our license. > > Chief: Right. Who's the contenders this year. > > Suits: Same as the last several years; Sierra/Papyrus and EA Sports. > > Chief: Right. I want input. > > Suits: Sierra/Papyrus have had a license since 1994. EA Sports since > 1998, for the pc. > > Chief: Right. Opinions ? > > Suits: While having a license for a shorter time, EA has completely > sponsored several of our races each year for the last few years, as well as > having contigency sponsorships with many of the teams. Also have hosted > hospitality events at the races, as well as having a deal with the TV > networks, where the latest EA game is used for demonstrations. > They've shown a real desire to work with us, to benefit both > parties. > > Chief: Right. Impressive. What about this Sierra/Papyrus ? What have > they done with/for us, besides using our license ? > > Suit: > <silence>................................................................... > ......................... > > > I know who I'd want to have my license. > >

LOL!..........Classic......and right on the money! Mr. B

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92Ixd.97$4%[email hidden]... : : "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:p8Jwd.122$[email hidden]... : > : > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:ihtwd.39$[email hidden]... : > > Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) is : hilarious. : > > : > > : > > : > > "Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > > news:[email hidden]... : > > > This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license : agreement, : > > and : > > > just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like : > this? : > > > Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 in : > > > October, close to 60 now. : > : > Exclusive licensing agreements suck for the consumer. Before, we had : several : > choices and competition in Nascar sims and games and now we have one : console : > game and one PC sim to choose from. How is that better? I blame Nascar and : > the NFL for going for the cash grab instead of thinking of the people that : > their businesses are built on. The fans. EA has been begging for these : > exclusive deals for years. They know they have the deep pockets to afford : > them and what better way to beat your competition than to just take them : out : > of the game. : > : > I love top posting. : > : : Glad you're anal about posting methods. Try getting out more. : : Regarding the rest of your post, if you think any major sports org, : especially Nascar, cares about the fans, at least the fans in the sense of : you and I, I got a bridge to sell ya. : : In terms of exclusive licenses, who cares. : : Let's do a hypothetical (or maybe not) Nascar board meeting regarding : licensing for the future.... : : Suits: Chief, it's again time to decide what pc gaming company should get : our license. : : Chief: Right. Who's the contenders this year. : : Suits: Same as the last several years; Sierra/Papyrus and EA Sports. : : Chief: Right. I want input. : : Suits: Sierra/Papyrus have had a license since 1994. EA Sports since : 1998, for the pc. : : Chief: Right. Opinions ? : : Suits: While having a license for a shorter time, EA has completely : sponsored several of our races each year for the last few years, as well as : having contigency sponsorships with many of the teams. Also have hosted : hospitality events at the races, as well as having a deal with the TV : networks, where the latest EA game is used for demonstrations. : They've shown a real desire to work with us, to benefit both : parties. : : Chief: Right. Impressive. What about this Sierra/Papyrus ? What have : they done with/for us, besides using our license ? : : Suit: : <silence>................................................................... : ......................... : : : I know who I'd want to have my license. Right on the money, JP, just one additional comment I would add: Chief (aka: Bill France Jr): Who can possibly afford the outrageous fees I'm going to demand? --Bob

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> > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:92Ixd.97$4%[email hidden]... > : > : "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : news:p8Jwd.122$[email hidden]... > : > > : > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > news:ihtwd.39$[email hidden]... > : > > Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) is > : hilarious. > : > > > : > > > : > > > : > > "Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > > news:[email hidden]... > : > > > This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license > : agreement, > : > > and > : > > > just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal

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> : you and I, I got a bridge to sell ya. > : > : In terms of exclusive licenses, who cares. > : > : Let's do a hypothetical (or maybe not) Nascar board meeting regarding > : licensing for the future.... > : > : Suits: Chief, it's again time to decide what pc gaming company should > get > : our license. > : > : Chief: Right. Who's the contenders this year. > : > : Suits: Same as the last several years; Sierra/Papyrus and EA Sports. > : > : Chief: Right. I want input. > : > : Suits: Sierra/Papyrus have had a license since 1994. EA Sports since > : 1998, for the pc. > : > : Chief: Right. Opinions ? > : > : Suits: While having a license for a shorter time, EA has completely > : sponsored several of our races each year for the last few years, as well > as > : having contigency sponsorships with many of the teams. Also have hosted > : hospitality events at the races, as well as having a deal with the TV > : networks, where the latest EA game is used for demonstrations. > : They've shown a real desire to work with us, to benefit

both > : parties. > : > : Chief: Right. Impressive. What about this Sierra/Papyrus ? Whathave > : they done with/for us, besides using our license ? > : > : Suit: > : ><silence>...................................................................

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> : ......................... > : > : > : I know who I'd want to have my license. > > Right on the money, JP, just one additional comment I would add: > > Chief (aka: Bill France Jr): Who can possibly afford the outrageous fees > I'm going to demand? > > --Bob

Yep, very true.

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>From: "Bob Gee" [email hidden] >Date: 12/20/2004 9:13 P.M. Central Standard Time >Message-id: <[email hidden]> > > >"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:92Ixd.97$4%[email hidden]... >: >: "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >: news:p8Jwd.122$[email hidden]... >: > >: > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >: > news:ihtwd.39$[email hidden]... >: > > Lol, no kidding. Blaming EA (or anyone for that matter) is >: hilarious. >: > > >: > > >: > > >: > > "Bob Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >: > > news:[email hidden]... >: > > > This is kinda funny. Takes two to make an exclusive license >: agreement, >: > > and >: > > > just who do you think was really in the driver's seat on a deal like >: > this? >: > > > Also I wonder just how upset EA's stockholders are. Trading at 44 >in >: > > > October, close to 60 now. >: > >: > Exclusive licensing agreements suck for the consumer. Before, we had >: several >: > choices and competition in Nascar sims and games and now we have one >: console >: > game and one PC sim to choose from. How is that better? I blame Nascar >and >: > the NFL for going for the cash grab instead of thinking of the people >that >: > their businesses are built on. The fans. EA has been begging for these >: > exclusive deals for years. They know they have the deep pockets to >afford >: > them and what better way to beat your competition than to just take them >: out >: > of the game. >: > >: > I love top posting. >: > >: >: Glad you're anal about posting methods. Try getting out more. >: >: Regarding the rest of your post, if you think any major sports org, >: especially Nascar, cares about the fans, at least the fans in the sense of >: you and I, I got a bridge to sell ya. >: >: In terms of exclusive licenses, who cares. >: >: Let's do a hypothetical (or maybe not) Nascar board meeting regarding >: licensing for the future.... >: >: Suits: Chief, it's again time to decide what pc gaming company should >get >: our license. >: >: Chief: Right. Who's the contenders this year. >: >: Suits: Same as the last several years; Sierra/Papyrus and EA Sports. >: >: Chief: Right. I want input. >: >: Suits: Sierra/Papyrus have had a license since 1994. EA Sports since >: 1998, for the pc. >: >: Chief: Right. Opinions ? >: >: Suits: While having a license for a shorter time, EA has completely >: sponsored several of our races each year for the last few years, as well >as >: having contigency sponsorships with many of the teams. Also have hosted >: hospitality events at the races, as well as having a deal with the TV >: networks, where the latest EA game is used for demonstrations. >: They've shown a real desire to work with us, to benefit both >: parties. >: >: Chief: Right. Impressive. What about this Sierra/Papyrus ? What have >: they done with/for us, besides using our license ? >: >: Suit: >: ><silence>................................................................... >: ......................... >: >: >: I know who I'd want to have my license. > >Right on the money, JP, just one additional comment I would add: > >Chief (aka: Bill France Jr): Who can possibly afford the outrageous fees >I'm going to demand? > >--Bob >

And if nobody can... No game :-) Welcome to fantasy car/track land. Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

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> Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they > are taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus > engine. Here's a link: > > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp > > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? > Can we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? > > -- > Shock >

Shock! Wazupppp? ($1 Budweiser) You ol' Joonyer fan....... :)

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> > "Shock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qd9wd.9845$[email hidden]... > > Ok, correct me if I am wrong, but I think EA has made a good decision by > > hiring former Papyrus employees. Also, it appears that possibly they > > are taking already written code and putting a EA face on a Papyrus > > engine. Here's a link: > > > > http://www.easports.com/games/nascarsimracing/home.jsp > > > > Does anybody have any inside information on this? What is going on? > > Can we look to EA to keep the Papyrus tradition alive? > > > > -- > > Shock > > Here's hoping a new tradition is starting. Time for a change. > > > >

Here's hoping they remember they are creating a Sim for Sim People instead of some lame assed console game and don't lock up all but 2 tracks and half the field of cars.... :(