Re: F1 2000 - impressions of the game

Fyanha Khan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On the down side, the brake and accelerator pedals can not be properly > configured. I have a MSFF set-up and had hoped that adjusting the > sensitivity of the wheel would allow better control. No such luck. With a > 100% sensitive set-up, only the first quarter inch of travel of the pedals > makes a difference; with 10%, only the last quarter inch of travel works. > The rest of the pedal travel is just dead space. This is crap. EA may well > have given us an on/off button. Homer Simpson would love this; "Brakes go > on, brakes go off. Brakes go on....".

Huh this is weird. I was able to get the proper controller setup for my Logitech FF wheel. I used 50% sensitivity and 10% deadzone. It seems pretty good now. > Then there is that bloody helicopter. What is with this? The noise > completely drowns out the sound of the rest of the game. This is straight > out of a Sega/Nintendo. PC owners expect something better. What possible > good does the inclusion of this hideous carbuncle do for the credibilityof > a game? By the way, use of Sega/Nintendo touches like this make it a game, > not a sim. This is funny (I'm still laughing). I can barely hear the chopper and I am using the default sound settings. My soundcard is a SBPCI64, what are you using? I have crashed watching the chopper a few times though :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

David Karr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cpt2i$bdc$[email hidden]... > Yes, I've never heard it either; in fact, I thought it was a particularly > interested horsefly . . . Agreed. I notice that it tends to go where the action is. Like if there is a wreck in a corner, the chopper is on it's way there. Way cool. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > --DK > > "Henrik Johansson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I don't hear the helicopter... > > >

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cqcqj$jcc$[email hidden]... > I find that the opponent engine sounds are more distracting. I hear them > even when nowhere in sight (not a vehicle draw problem). This wasespecially I thought that at first also. But yesterday I would hear nothing at imola until I was down near Tosa or Rivazza where the AI is already on the other leg of the turn/track. If you know what I mean. Also for awesome track renditions with proper gears for each turn, check the ferrarri web site. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > troublesome in SCGT. So, I've been playing with the sound settings and it > seems like the volume of your opponents might be linked to the sound fx as > opposed to engine. So, perhaps another reason to set the fx down and your > engine high, as another poster suggested.

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> Even so, I just can not put the game down. Is this the ultimate torture? A > game that is too good to stop but with such appalling control you can not > play it? > > Roll-on version 1.1. > > Fyanha >

I've heard the chopper, but only very faintly. You do realize that there are several audio options? I agree that F1/2000 seems to be very good and am looking forward to getting my newly ordered machine delivered so that I can do something besides run test laps. Then I'll be able to more accurately assess the situation. Jerry Morelock

I've never heard the helicopter before. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrashes.cjb.net

Well, I must admit that my feelings about this game are very mixed. On the one hand, I love the graphics and the 'feel' of the cars. They handle just as I image a F1 car to perform. The tracks look good and the immersion factor is pretty high. On the down side, the brake and accelerator pedals can not be properly configured. I have a MSFF set-up and had hoped that adjusting the sensitivity of the wheel would allow better control. No such luck. With a 100% sensitive set-up, only the first quarter inch of travel of the pedals makes a difference; with 10%, only the last quarter inch of travel works. The rest of the pedal travel is just dead space. This is crap. EA may well have given us an on/off button. Homer Simpson would love this; "Brakes go on, brakes go off. Brakes go on....". Then there is that bloody helicopter. What is with this? The noise completely drowns out the sound of the rest of the game. This is straight out of a Sega/Nintendo. PC owners expect something better. What possible good does the inclusion of this hideous carbuncle do for the credibility of a game? By the way, use of Sega/Nintendo touches like this make it a game, not a sim. If EA are reading this, then please kill the chopper pilot and give us some real wheel calibration. The rest of the game is pretty good but these two factors alone often leave me cursing the very existence of F1 2000. I have just completed a set of 1:29 circuits of San Marino and after a dream run through the first two sectors, was nearly one second faster with only three corners to go. Then the bloody chopper turns up. The noise destroys the atmosphere, I lose my concentration and the gravel trap gets another victim. I have an idea; if EA lets me know who the pilot is, I'll kill him myself. Even so, I just can not put the game down. Is this the ultimate torture? A game that is too good to stop but with such appalling control you can not play it? Roll-on version 1.1. Fyanha

Fyanha Khan wrote: > Then there is that bloody helicopter. What is with this? The noise > completely drowns out the sound of the rest of the game. This is straight > out of a Sega/Nintendo. PC owners expect something better. What possible > good does the inclusion of this hideous carbuncle do for the credibility of > a game? By the way, use of Sega/Nintendo touches like this make it a game, > not a sim. I don't hear the helicopter...

Yes, I've never heard it either; in fact, I thought it was a particularly interested horsefly . . . --DK "Henrik Johansson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > I don't hear the helicopter...

David Karr wrote: > > Yes, I've never heard it either; in fact, I thought it was a particularly > interested horsefly . . . > Well, I'm somewhere in the middle I guess. I hear it, but it doesn't come off as loud on my machine as the original poster gets. I only hear it when in very close proximity to it. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

Strange, I can barely hear the helicopter. I have not had the controller problems other people are having, I am not sure why. Mine seems to feel just right, even with the deadzone set at default from installation, maybe it's because my TSW pedals are much shorter throw than many others. My biggest complain right now is the horsepower required to get decent framerates. I knew sooner or later I would get a sim that put a drain on my 464 mhz system, just hated to see it happen sooner than later :) -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends "Fyanha Khan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I must admit that my feelings about this game are very mixed. On the > one hand, I love the graphics and the 'feel' of the cars. They handle just > as I image a F1 car to perform. The tracks look good and the immersion > factor is pretty high. > > On the down side, the brake and accelerator pedals can not be properly > configured. I have a MSFF set-up and had hoped that adjusting the > sensitivity of the wheel would allow better control. No such luck. With a > 100% sensitive set-up, only the first quarter inch of travel of the pedals > makes a difference; with 10%, only the last quarter inch of travel works. > The rest of the pedal travel is just dead space. This is crap. EA may well > have given us an on/off button. Homer Simpson would love this; "Brakes go > on, brakes go off. Brakes go on....". > > Then there is that bloody helicopter. What is with this? The noise > completely drowns out the sound of the rest of the game. This is straight > out of a Sega/Nintendo. PC owners expect something better. What possible > good does the inclusion of this hideous carbuncle do for the credibility of > a game? By the way, use of Sega/Nintendo touches like this make it a game, > not a sim. > > If EA are reading this, then please kill the chopper pilot and give us some > real wheel calibration. The rest of the game is pretty good but these two > factors alone often leave me cursing the very existence of F1 2000. > > I have just completed a set of 1:29 circuits of San Marino and after a dream > run through the first two sectors, was nearly one second faster with only > three corners to go. Then the bloody chopper turns up. The noise destroys > the atmosphere, I lose my concentration and the gravel trap gets another > victim. I have an idea; if EA lets me know who the pilot is, I'll kill him > myself. > > Even so, I just can not put the game down. Is this the ultimate torture? A > game that is too good to stop but with such appalling control you can not > play it? > > Roll-on version 1.1. > > Fyanha > >

In article <QA1I4.92470$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Strange, I can barely hear the helicopter. I hear it, think it is fluff, but certainly doesn't upset me like the original poster. I find that the opponent engine sounds are more distracting. I hear them even when nowhere in sight (not a vehicle draw problem). This was especially troublesome in SCGT. So, I've been playing with the sound settings and it seems like the volume of your opponents might be linked to the sound fx as opposed to engine. So, perhaps another reason to set the fx down and your engine high, as another poster suggested. Here's an AI gripe: The AI aggresively try to pass, often bumping me. Hey, that can be due to my incompetence on some/most turns (btw, I'm at 100% AI). But when they pass, at least in practive *and* qualifying, they often then start wiggling around and slowing down if I'm right on them. It seems that they have a blue flag go off in their mind. Even when they just passed you. That's led to a number of wrecks. I'm currently pole'ing Monza, competent at Imola, Ricardo Rosset - incompetent everywhere else.

Turn down the sound for sound effects and speech leaving the engine sound quite high, thats how I have mine and hardly hear the helicopter. Don't know what's wrong with the pedals, I use an F1 sim and find it very controllable all through the pedal range. Is your MS wheel setup to use full range of pedal movement in the sidewinder software ? I may try my MS wheel with it later, but it means a lot of messing about so I make no promises ;) -- Ian Parker [email hidden] [email hidden] == Fyanha Khan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I must admit that my feelings about this game are very mixed. On the > one hand, I love the graphics and the 'feel' of the cars. They handle just > as I image a F1 car to perform. The tracks look good and the immersion > factor is pretty high. > > On the down side, the brake and accelerator pedals can not be properly > configured. I have a MSFF set-up and had hoped that adjusting the > sensitivity of the wheel would allow better control. No such luck. With a > 100% sensitive set-up, only the first quarter inch of travel of the pedals > makes a difference; with 10%, only the last quarter inch of travel works. > The rest of the pedal travel is just dead space. This is crap. EA may well > have given us an on/off button. Homer Simpson would love this; "Brakes go > on, brakes go off. Brakes go on....". > > Then there is that bloody helicopter. What is with this? The noise > completely drowns out the sound of the rest of the game. This is straight > out of a Sega/Nintendo. PC owners expect something better. What possible > good does the inclusion of this hideous carbuncle do for the credibility of > a game? By the way, use of Sega/Nintendo touches like this make it a game, > not a sim. > Fyanha > >

On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:17:58 GMT, "Fyanha Khan" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well, I must admit that my feelings about this game are very mixed. On the >one hand, I love the graphics and the 'feel' of the cars. They handle just >as I image a F1 car to perform. The tracks look good and the immersion >factor is pretty high. > >On the down side, the brake and accelerator pedals can not be properly >configured. I have a MSFF set-up and had hoped that adjusting the >sensitivity of the wheel would allow better control. No such luck. With a >100% sensitive set-up, only the first quarter inch of travel of the pedals >makes a difference; with 10%, only the last quarter inch of travel works. >The rest of the pedal travel is just dead space. This is crap. EA may well >have given us an on/off button. Homer Simpson would love this; "Brakes go >on, brakes go off. Brakes go on....".

When you drive just your laps there is nothing special about the game. But when you found (or downloaded) the right setup and wants to beat the real laprecords it's becoming something different. When you're driving a good lap and are realising a (personal) record, the drive-experience is becoming near the real thing. Taking sharp the curves on the curvestones, brake as late as possible. Accelerate as soon as possible after every corner, with some wheelspin and some corrections. Gear-up at the latest moment, it's becoming real exciting, It's far from a simulator, but don't expect me to drive proper a 100 % realistic F1-sim. If that would exists, everybody could beat M. Schumacher on the real circuits. The balance for a lot of fun and making accepteble lap-times is just good enough with this game. If it was more a real F1 sim it would be unplayeble for the most of us. And now it is possible to realise good times with this game. I like it a lot. What should GP3 add more to F1-2000, better framerates is what I hope for. Even with less realistic graphics I prefer a better framerate for more speed-feeling. And after practising on Imola this week, on television it seems and feels almost the same as the game. Same gear-positions as you learned in the game. With the on-board camera on TV, you know what corner is next. You know when the driver should decelerate. The main difference is the accurate feeling in your steeringwheel, it's difficult to drive sharp on the edge of the tarmac whit every PC-drivinggame. You're much more involved with the race when you played the game. I'm going to practise Silverstone from now... Ben

If you have not done so, update to DX7a. DX7 had a few problems with Microsoft controllers. buzard "Fyanha Khan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, I must admit that my feelings about this game are very mixed. On the > one hand, I love the graphics and the 'feel' of the cars. They handle just > as I image a F1 car to perform. The tracks look good and the immersion > factor is pretty high. > > On the down side, the brake and accelerator pedals can not be properly > configured. I have a MSFF set-up and had hoped that adjusting the > sensitivity of the wheel would allow better control. No such luck. With a > 100% sensitive set-up, only the first quarter inch of travel of the pedals > makes a difference; with 10%, only the last quarter inch of travel works. > The rest of the pedal travel is just dead space. This is crap. EA may well > have given us an on/off button. Homer Simpson would love this; "Brakes go > on, brakes go off. Brakes go on....". > > Then there is that bloody helicopter. What is with this? The noise > completely drowns out the sound of the rest of the game. This is straight > out of a Sega/Nintendo. PC owners expect something better. What possible > good does the inclusion of this hideous carbuncle do for the credibility

of > a game? By the way, use of Sega/Nintendo touches like this make it a game, > not a sim. > > If EA are reading this, then please kill the chopper pilot and give ussome > real wheel calibration. The rest of the game is pretty good but these two > factors alone often leave me cursing the very existence of F1 2000. > > I have just completed a set of 1:29 circuits of San Marino and after adream

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> run through the first two sectors, was nearly one second faster with only > three corners to go. Then the bloody chopper turns up. The noise destroys > the atmosphere, I lose my concentration and the gravel trap gets another > victim. I have an idea; if EA lets me know who the pilot is, I'll kill him > myself. > > Even so, I just can not put the game down. Is this the ultimate torture? A > game that is too good to stop but with such appalling control you can not > play it? > > Roll-on version 1.1. > > Fyanha > >