Re: I FINALLY GET IT!!!

In article <[email hidden]>, Drew <[email hidden]> writes:

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> I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I >bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad >nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the >Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the >newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All >smoke and mirrors? > Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the >couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream >it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the >throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a >year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off >the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up >and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto >something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I >know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing >glory for this leadfoot. > I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I >will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now >I must go back and train. >-Drew

So were you left-foot braking, but just not 'trailbraking'? Or were you right-foot braking, and converted to left-foot? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Never tried that before i might have to try it today. =)

I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All smoke and mirrors? Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing glory for this leadfoot. I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now I must go back and train. -Drew * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

you feel the force young Luke.... as Jackie Stewart said, " only in my last year of racing did i learn how to properly let off the brake" that's trailbraking son, the key to goin fast JM Drew wrote:

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> I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I > bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad > nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the > Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the > newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All > smoke and mirrors? > Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the > couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream > it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the > throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a > year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off > the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up > and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto > something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I > know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing > glory for this leadfoot. > I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I > will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now > I must go back and train. > -Drew > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

"john moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > you feel the force young Luke.... > as Jackie Stewart said, " only in my last year of racing did i learn howto > properly let off the brake" > that's trailbraking son, the key to goin fast > JM >The funny thing is that JYS is anti-trailbraking. He denies that he ever did it. Balderdash. I remembe when the Pi people were first experimenting with telemetry. They went out tested their equipment at a GP, installing it in several cars and using it to produce friction circle traces. Someone persuaded JYS, (retired for years at this point), to take a few laps in the current Tyrrell. He produced the closest thing to a perfect circle I, or I believe anyone else, has ever seen. Sorry Jackie, but you *can't do that* without trailbraking. Telemetry also put paid to driver claims that they took certain corners flat. They don't, not even on fast ovals. They brake. Often times the driver is the least reliable source of just what it is he's doing out there Kevin F. Gavitt

Leo Landman wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]> , > [email hidden] wrote: > > > Just out of interest, do modern F1 require this sort of control as > > well? > > Very much so. The smoking inside front wheel is a telltale.

It depends on the driver. Michael Schumacher is famous for this (coming from a kart background helped). But Damon Hill, for example, never could get the hang of left foot braking -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

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>Eldred, > >Your first few attempts will probably be a frustrating mess, but force >yourself to brake with your left foot. After a couple of days it will feel >natural and after 4 or 5 days you will definately be faster. > >Rick

Ok - I'm holding you to that...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Drew <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I was left foot braking just not trail braking. When I first >started playing, I spun every time a continued braking into a >corner. So I just would brake in a straight line as I >approached the corner but released as I entered the corner. >Naturally, the front end would go light and I would have >minimal control through the corner. Now I have a better wheel >and more control. >-Drew >

Ok. I still haven't figured it out yet. Although I finally got my TSW to work in split-axis mode, I haven't tried left-foot braking again. My left foot isn't coordinated enough... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I was left foot braking just not trail braking. When I first started playing, I spun every time a continued braking into a corner. So I just would brake in a straight line as I approached the corner but released as I entered the corner. Naturally, the front end would go light and I would have minimal control through the corner. Now I have a better wheel and more control. -Drew * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Same test done several years earlier with a Lotus 72 and Ronnie Peterson resulted in his going well outside the traction circle. Although they tried they were never able to explain how it was possible or what Ronnie was doing! buzard "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8cvd5l$82r$[email hidden]...

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> > "john moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > you feel the force young Luke.... > > as Jackie Stewart said, " only in my last year of racing did i learn how > to > > properly let off the brake" > > that's trailbraking son, the key to goin fast > > JM > > > The funny thing is that JYS is anti-trailbraking. He denies that he ever

did

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> it. Balderdash. > > I remembe when the Pi people were first experimenting with telemetry. They > went out tested their equipment at a GP, installing it in several cars and > using it to produce friction circle traces. > > Someone persuaded JYS, (retired for years at this point), to take a few

laps > in the current Tyrrell. He produced the closest thing to a perfect circleI,

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> or I believe anyone else, has ever seen. > > Sorry Jackie, but you *can't do that* without trailbraking. > > Telemetry also put paid to driver claims that they took certain corners > flat. They don't, not even on fast ovals. They brake. > > Often times the driver is the least reliable source of just what it is

he's > doing out there > > Kevin F. Gavitt > >

In article <[email hidden]> , [email hidden] wrote: > Just out of interest, do modern F1 require this sort of control as > well? Very much so. The smoking inside front wheel is a telltale. -- Bye, Leo

Eldred, Your first few attempts will probably be a frustrating mess, but force yourself to brake with your left foot. After a couple of days it will feel natural and after 4 or 5 days you will definately be faster. Rick "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Drew > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I was left foot braking just not trail braking. When I first > >started playing, I spun every time a continued braking into a > >corner. So I just would brake in a straight line as I > >approached the corner but released as I entered the corner. > >Naturally, the front end would go light and I would have > >minimal control through the corner. Now I have a better wheel > >and more control. > >-Drew > > > > Ok. I still haven't figured it out yet. Although I finally got my TSW to

work

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> in split-axis mode, I haven't tried left-foot braking again. My left foot > isn't coordinated enough... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hi Drew Just out of interest, do modern F1 require this sort of control as well? If it does then I guess I have to throw away my joystick and go with wheel setup. Dave On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:12:18 -0700, Drew <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I have been trying for months to improve my times in GPL. I >bought a LWFF wheel, a soundblaster Live card, practiced ad >nauseum, but still could not break 1:30 at Monza, 1:07 at the >Glen, 1:24 at Mosport. And what's all this voodoo talk on the >newsgroup about trailbraking and steering with the pedals? All >smoke and mirrors? > Then I was having a fevered GPL dream while I napped on the >couch after 8 straight hours of Med School lectures. In my dream >it came to me: Carry your braking into the corner and apply the >throttle as you let off the brake! Holy Jumping Catfish! For a >year and a half I had been off the throttle, on the brake, off >the brake, on the throttle. No control whatsoever! I woke up >and fired up the game. A few warm up laps and I knew I was onto >something big. Within a few laps I ripped off a 1:29.7. Hey, I >know, no big deal, but it is the key to the future of racing >glory for this leadfoot. > I have seen the promised land, and they race fast there. I >will sleep well tonight. I just had to share my revelation. Now >I must go back and train. >-Drew > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!