F1 2000 - Should I buy it.

Racers, I need your help. Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports, and each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste in sims to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: I am a Papyrus junkie. I buy all Papyrus titles as soon as they hit the shelves. I love Nascar3 and Nascar Legends. But as much as I love them, I love Grand Prix Legends even better. I am not a hot lapper with GPL, but I can keep the car on the track (My best time is a 1:30.10 at monza, and I'm high 1:30's at Spa, and 1:12's at WG) I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also like SGCT a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of it afte a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily of the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really took it seriously (but it's still fun) I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like Cart Precision Racing. So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? Thanks for taking the time to read this. Dean

In article <iE6J4.16711$[email hidden]>, "Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> wrote: .. >So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought >and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? I'd say yes. Comes down to how much $30 means to you, do you really expect GP3 to come out any time soon enough to satisfy you (I have doubts for me), and how much you are looking for an F1 fix right now. Actually, that comes across with too many if's. I think, barring framerate and some AI issues, F12K is very enjoyable and will keep me from firing up SCGT, GP2, MGPRS2. As a point of reference, my favorites were the original World Circuit F1GP, ICR, ICR2, through GP2. Occasionally the last version of N2 (was that 1999?) and some N3 (not really a NASCAR fan). I played GPL enough to get to know the 'ring (had to for my real drive there!) and to do a sub 1:30 at Monza. Even managed to win a race against a full AI field at, um, novice level. Also SCGT quite a bit, and both F1RS and MGPRS2. I didn't bother with any of the NFS series until Porsche Unleashed, which is quite decent BTW. Test drive isn't even worth mentioning. Gran Turismo and GT2 for the PSX are excellent. F12K might not have the staying power of ICR2, GP2, GLP, but it is a keeper.

My tastes in sims are pretty similar to yours, although I may not be quite as enthusiastic about N3 and N Legends as you are (I like them, though). I really like F1 2000. I think it's the best modern-era F1 sim available. I've written up some thoughts on and suggestions for F1 2000 and posted them on my general Sim Racing Web site (which is currently undergoing renovation). Go to: http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com/sims/ Click on Sims (on the left), then F1, and look for F1 200 under "Recommended". Alison On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0700, "Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Racers, I need your help. > >Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports, and >each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste in sims >to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: > >I am a Papyrus junkie. I buy all Papyrus titles as soon as they hit the >shelves. I love Nascar3 and Nascar Legends. But as much as I love them, I >love Grand Prix Legends even better. I am not a hot lapper with GPL, but I >can keep the car on the track (My best time is a 1:30.10 at monza, and I'm >high 1:30's at Spa, and 1:12's at WG) > >I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also like SGCT >a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of it afte >a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily of >the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really >took it seriously (but it's still fun) > >I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like Cart Precision >Racing. > >So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought >and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? > >Thanks for taking the time to read this. > > >Dean >

Alison From: [email hidden] Reply-To: [email hidden] Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com

Tel wrote: > Nope. Don't you wonder why there's still no demo available? What you > read here does not reflect reality in any way as most people can't and > don't want to admit that they wasted money believing the usual EA > hype. It's only $29.00 for chrissakes. That amount of money is hardly enough to create such cognitive dissonance. You're beginning to sound like David Fischer. Save the pop psychology for something else. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:16mJ4.684$[email hidden]... > For my tastes, F12000 didn't make the cut, but for many others, they are > having a blast. Since you enjoy SGGT, F12000 should seem very > similar. However, I feel that F12000 suffers from many of the same > problems Cart Precision Racing had, so on that count, you may find > F12000 wanting. But you will never know until you try it yourself. If you were not Michael E. Carver I would have assumed this was a troll. Since CPR totally blew, and IMHO is no comparison at all to F1 2000, I am very curious to know exactly why you did not like F1 2000. Were you running it on a P-166 or something? Wow. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

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> On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0700, "Dean Williams" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought > >and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? > > > >Thanks for taking the time to read this. > > Nope. Don't you wonder why there's still no demo available? What you > read here does not reflect reality in any way as most people can't and > don't want to admit that they wasted money believing the usual EA > hype. And interestingly, apart from this newsgroup the negative

I certainly did not waste my $10. But I am curious to know what hype are you referring to? Simply being from EA does not equal hype as far as I Know. > feedback on this title outweighs the positives by far. > I'd say, if you're into F1 forget it, it does not resemble the real > thing - neither as far as tracks design, regulations or real life In your opinion. In my opinion it does represent current F1 very good for a $30 PC racing game. Sometimes I just do not know what is the matter with some of you people. > performances are concerned. It has a neat driving model but if you > just want that you're better off with GPL. Why exactly would he be better off with GPL? > Also there are severe limitations due to bad or unoptimized graphics > engine. Considering that you have to drastically cut down the Or a bad un optomized computer. I am getting very acceptable framerates @800x600 with my P2-450. The graphics are *FAR* better than any other modern F1 game, heck even better or at least as good as GPL. > visibility options to get a decent framerate with a full field (and > who would want to play an F1 sim with just 10 or so cars?) makes this > whole thing obsolete from the start. At this point you could also play > GP2, doesn't look much worse, has more depth, more options etc. Or - Doesn't look much worse than GP2? Did you actually say that? Whoa... we have a live one here!!! Haha. > if a clear sight and fast graphics mean a lot for you there's always > MGPRS, maybe not the most accurate in the physics department but a > much more serious and complete F1 'sim' attempt than this EA nonsense. In your opinion. IMHO everything you said is wrong. But then again I am actually playing F1 2000. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Colin Harris <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:z7sJ4.1988$[email hidden]... > I have to be honest, I'm none too impressed with F1 2000. The reasons have > been stated in many other threads, but I wasn't expecting it to be quiteas > bad as it is. EA, for all their faults (and lord knows they've got a few) > usually make decent eye-candy, arcade games, but this, while certainly > keeping the arcade feel, has those (imho) horribly dated SCGT-style > graphics. > Add to that, the fact that I can run against 6 AI, tops, and I'm left witha > hotlap game, and I'm no hotlapper. > Sorry, but I file this one in the "never-to-be-played" bin. Good luck to > those who persevere with it, though! Just curious what CPU you have and what resolution you are trying to play it in. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Alison likes it. Hmmm. Maybe I'll give it another look. On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:27:34 GMT, Alison Hine <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>My tastes in sims are pretty similar to yours, although I may not be >quite as enthusiastic about N3 and N Legends as you are (I like them, >though). > >I really like F1 2000. I think it's the best modern-era F1 sim >available. > >I've written up some thoughts on and suggestions for F1 2000 and posted >them on my general Sim Racing Web site (which is currently undergoing >renovation). Go to: > > http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com/sims/ > >Click on Sims (on the left), then F1, and look for F1 200 under >"Recommended". > >Alison > >On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0700, "Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>Racers, I need your help. >> >>Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports, and >>each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste in sims >>to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: >> >>I am a Papyrus junkie. I buy all Papyrus titles as soon as they hit the >>shelves. I love Nascar3 and Nascar Legends. But as much as I love them, I >>love Grand Prix Legends even better. I am not a hot lapper with GPL, but I >>can keep the car on the track (My best time is a 1:30.10 at monza, and I'm >>high 1:30's at Spa, and 1:12's at WG) >> >>I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also like SGCT >>a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of it afte >>a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily of >>the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really >>took it seriously (but it's still fun) >> >>I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like Cart Precision >>Racing. >> >>So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought >>and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? >> >>Thanks for taking the time to read this. >> >> >>Dean >> > > >Alison > >From: [email hidden] >Reply-To: [email hidden] >Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. >http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0700, "Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought >and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? > >Thanks for taking the time to read this. Nope. Don't you wonder why there's still no demo available? What you read here does not reflect reality in any way as most people can't and don't want to admit that they wasted money believing the usual EA hype. And interestingly, apart from this newsgroup the negative feedback on this title outweighs the positives by far. I'd say, if you're into F1 forget it, it does not resemble the real thing - neither as far as tracks design, regulations or real life performances are concerned. It has a neat driving model but if you just want that you're better off with GPL. Also there are severe limitations due to bad or unoptimized graphics engine. Considering that you have to drastically cut down the visibility options to get a decent framerate with a full field (and who would want to play an F1 sim with just 10 or so cars?) makes this whole thing obsolete from the start. At this point you could also play GP2, doesn't look much worse, has more depth, more options etc. Or - if a clear sight and fast graphics mean a lot for you there's always MGPRS, maybe not the most accurate in the physics department but a much more serious and complete F1 'sim' attempt than this EA nonsense. --Tel

Yah... go for it. Some problems exist, but on the whole the best of the contemporary F1 bunch. I like it. Jan. =--- Dean Williams <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iE6J4.16711$[email hidden]... > Racers, I need your help. ><snip>

"Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> wrote >Or should I just hang on until GP3? That's the important question. F1 2000 is the best title at the moment, but how much would it worth for you? I don't think it's a quality title (even if it's the best of the worst), but while waiting for Gp3, it could suit your needs. But personally, I would tell you to spend your simracing time on your other software instead. With all the new tracks for GPL, you'll have enough time to waste waiting for GP3 ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Yep, despite some irritations, F12K is the best modern F1 sim out there, and is a real blast! Go for it! Iain Dean Williams <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iE6J4.16711$[email hidden]... > Racers, I need your help. > > Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports,and > each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste insims > to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: > > I am a Papyrus junkie. I buy all Papyrus titles as soon as they hit the > shelves. I love Nascar3 and Nascar Legends. But as much as I love them,I > love Grand Prix Legends even better. I am not a hot lapper with GPL, butI > can keep the car on the track (My best time is a 1:30.10 at monza, and I'm > high 1:30's at Spa, and 1:12's at WG) > > I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also likeSGCT > a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of itafte > a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily of > the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really > took it seriously (but it's still fun) > > I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like CartPrecision

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> Racing. > > So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought > and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? > > Thanks for taking the time to read this. > > > Dean > >

Why you shouldn't buy it: Bad AI out of the box. No telemetry. Bad replay system. Difficult to manage setup files. Bad default setups. No multiplayer practice. Hard to configure on some systems. Bad Force Feedback. Sound is to digital. (Although some people seem to like it) Why you should buy it: All the tracks of the 2000 season. The car handles like you would expect of a F1 car. A lot of things are adjustable, so you can expect better cars (there are already!), better AI (people already did!), graphics/sounds enhancements(yup, done!), and there is many more to expect. Stable online multiplay. (And I suspect a certain lady will improve things, no, I will not mention any names <g>) It's the best modern F1 game. Better setups will come available. _My_ conclusion, if you're like me who is surfing the web to find sim addons, and who isn't afraid to modify stuff, and to try new things out, then F1-2000 is for you. However, if you expect a polished game right out of the box, forget F1-2000. Remco >Racers, I need your help. >Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports, and >each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste in sims >to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me:

Yes. It's fantastic. David G Fisher

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0700 Dean Williams <[email hidden]> wrote: % Racers, I need your help. % Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports, and % each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste in sims % to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: Since it's Electronics Boutique, give it a try. You will have 10 days to run it through its paces and if it doesn't suit your needs you can return it no questions asked (well they may ask, but any answer you give is okay). For my tastes, F12000 didn't make the cut, but for many others, they are having a blast. Since you enjoy SGGT, F12000 should seem very similar. However, I feel that F12000 suffers from many of the same problems Cart Precision Racing had, so on that count, you may find F12000 wanting. But you will never know until you try it yourself. % I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also like SGCT % a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of it afte % a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily of % the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really % took it seriously (but it's still fun) % I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like Cart Precision % Racing. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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> Nope. Don't you wonder why there's still no demo available? What you > read here does not reflect reality in any way as most people can't and > don't want to admit that they wasted money believing the usual EA > hype. > Bull-fuck. > > Warlock!

Those were my thoughts exactly. [email hidden] wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Alison likes it. Hmmm. Maybe I'll give it another look. > >On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:27:34 GMT, Alison Hine <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>My tastes in sims are pretty similar to yours, although I may not be >>quite as enthusiastic about N3 and N Legends as you are (I like them, >>though). >> >>I really like F1 2000. I think it's the best modern-era F1 sim >>available. >> >>I've written up some thoughts on and suggestions for F1 2000 and posted >>them on my general Sim Racing Web site (which is currently undergoing >>renovation). Go to: >> >> http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com/sims/ >> >>Click on Sims (on the left), then F1, and look for F1 200 under >>"Recommended". >> >>Alison >> >>On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:19:45 -0700, "Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> >>wrote: >> >>>Racers, I need your help. >>> >>>Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports,

and >>>each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste insims >>>to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: >>> >>>I am a Papyrus junkie. I buy all Papyrus titles as soon as they hit the >>>shelves. I love Nascar3 and Nascar Legends. But as much as I love them,I >>>love Grand Prix Legends even better. I am not a hot lapper with GPL, butI >>>can keep the car on the track (My best time is a 1:30.10 at monza, andI'm >>>high 1:30's at Spa, and 1:12's at WG) >>> >>>I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also likeSGCT >>>a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of itafte >>>a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily of >>>the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really >>>took it seriously (but it's still fun) >>> >>>I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like CartPrecision

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>>>Racing. >>> >>>So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought >>>and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? >>> >>>Thanks for taking the time to read this. >>> >>> >>>Dean >>> >> >> >>Alison >> >>From: [email hidden] >>Reply-To: [email hidden] >>Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. >>http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com >

Yes. It's fantastic. David G Fisher "Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iE6J4.16711$[email hidden]... > Racers, I need your help. > > Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports,and > each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste insims > to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: > > I am a Papyrus junkie. I buy all Papyrus titles as soon as they hit the > shelves. I love Nascar3 and Nascar Legends. But as much as I love them,I > love Grand Prix Legends even better. I am not a hot lapper with GPL, butI > can keep the car on the track (My best time is a 1:30.10 at monza, and I'm > high 1:30's at Spa, and 1:12's at WG) > > I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also likeSGCT > a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of itafte > a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily of > the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really > took it seriously (but it's still fun) > > I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like CartPrecision

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> Racing. > > So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and bought > and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? > > Thanks for taking the time to read this. > > > Dean > >

I have to be honest, I'm none too impressed with F1 2000. The reasons have been stated in many other threads, but I wasn't expecting it to be quite as bad as it is. EA, for all their faults (and lord knows they've got a few) usually make decent eye-candy, arcade games, but this, while certainly keeping the arcade feel, has those (imho) horribly dated SCGT-style graphics. Add to that, the fact that I can run against 6 AI, tops, and I'm left with a hotlap game, and I'm no hotlapper. Sorry, but I file this one in the "never-to-be-played" bin. Good luck to those who persevere with it, though! -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061

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> "David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It's only $29.00 for chrissakes. That amount of money is hardly enough to > > create such cognitive dissonance. You're beginning to sound like David > > Fischer. > > He doesn't sound like David Fischer. That dude likes to tell people to try > new sims, and not be biased or overly negative.

Hi David. I was just referring to the way he was convinced that the only reason people were enjoying F1 2000 was because of some psychological need to justify the spending of their money. Similar to your stance that GPL fans have invested so much time in the sim that they must justify this by over-stating the quality of the physics engine, etc. I agree with neither of these views, by the way. And sorry for having "Germanized" your name. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

"David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It's only $29.00 for chrissakes. That amount of money is hardly enough to > create such cognitive dissonance. You're beginning to sound like David > Fischer. He doesn't sound like David Fischer. That dude likes to tell people to try new sims, and not be biased or overly negative. David G Fisher

In article <GntJ4.121090$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >He doesn't sound like David Fischer. That dude likes to tell people to try >new sims, and not be biased or overly negative. > >David G Fisher Hmmm, that wasn't perhaps a biased answer, was it? :-)

Nope. Actually, I think he's pretty annoying. :-) <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8d5rfg$6o4k$[email hidden]... > In article GntJ4.121090$[email hidden], > Hmmm, that wasn't perhaps a biased answer, was it? > :-)

Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here and pay attention to those that are posted by people who are actually using F12K. With a little tweaking F12K is superb, and definitely the best of the modern F1 sims. GP3? Well, we'll just have to wait and see. F12K is here now. Iain David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jasJ4.121068$[email hidden]...

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> Yes. It's fantastic. > > David G Fisher > > > "Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iE6J4.16711$[email hidden]... > > Racers, I need your help. > > > > Each time I go into Electronics Boutique, I see F1 2000 from EA Sports, > and > > each time I leave without it. I need someone who has similar taste in > sims > > to let me know if I should pick up, or pass on it. So here's me: > > > > I am a Papyrus junkie. I buy all Papyrus titles as soon as they hit the > > shelves. I love Nascar3 and Nascar Legends. But as much as I love

them, > I > > love Grand Prix Legends even better. I am not a hot lapper with GPL,but > I > > can keep the car on the track (My best time is a 1:30.10 at monza, andI'm

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> > high 1:30's at Spa, and 1:12's at WG) > > > > I love GP500, but have not spent a ton of time behind it. I also like > SGCT > > a lot. Toca2, is a nice change for a while. I usaully get tired of it > afte > > a week. Rally Championship is fun for a while, but I get tired easily

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> > the touchy steering. I play Viper Racing now and then, but never really > > took it seriously (but it's still fun) > > > > I can't stand any of the Need For Speed games. I didn't like Cart > Precision > > Racing. > > > > So with that said, are there people out there that are like me and

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> > and liked F1 2000? Or should I just hang on until GP3? > > > > Thanks for taking the time to read this. > > > > > > Dean > > > > >

David, something's wrong here. I find it fantastic too, and since you allways have a complete oppsite opinion as me, you can't like it! Or could it be that we finally can agree on something? Nah... Andre On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:49:51 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yes. It's fantastic. > >David G Fisher >

He doesn't sound like David Fischer. That dude likes to tell people to try new sims, and not be biased or overly negative. David G Fisher

Hmmm, that wasn't perhaps a biased answer, was it? :-)

Nope. Actually, I think he's pretty annoying. :-) > Hmmm, that wasn't perhaps a biased answer, was it? > :-)

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:10:26 -0500 Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: % Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message % news:16mJ4.684$[email hidden]... % > For my tastes, F12000 didn't make the cut, but for many others, they are % > having a blast. Since you enjoy SGGT, F12000 should seem very % > similar. However, I feel that F12000 suffers from many of the same % > problems Cart Precision Racing had, so on that count, you may find % > F12000 wanting. But you will never know until you try it yourself. % If you were not Michael E. Carver I would have assumed this was % a troll. Since CPR totally blew, and IMHO is no comparison at % all to F1 2000, I am very curious to know exactly why you did not % like F1 2000. Were you running it on a P-166 or something? PIII 650 with Voodoo3 2000.... I disliked the graphics, the dullness of some of the tracks, the way the background crawled across the screen as it is drawn. I guess I basically don't have the patience to hack the program to make it "playable" (the AI, the "grip", the graphics, etc.). I thought the sound was similar to a first grader imitating an F1 car (poorly at that). The Forcefeedback was highly lacking. It just didn't convince me that it was a finished product worthy of my time. Maybe I just expected too much from the product and was totally let down by its weaknesses to get it to it. It was fun to tool around with, but it didn't have the lasting hold that I look for in a sim. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Thanks for asking, Greg - I'm running a K6 II 400, with pretty minimal grafix (v3 3000, 128Mb RAM). I'd really LIKE to like this game, and I'll persevere with it for a bit, but if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them!! -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061 ! > > Just curious what CPU you have and what resolution you are trying to > play it in. > > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ... People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the news! Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

You made a bit of a mistake then, IMHO. Patience is a virtue - they tell me! Iain Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ADFJ4.1780$[email hidden]... > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:10:26 -0500 Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me>wrote: > % Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message > % news:16mJ4.684$[email hidden]... > % > For my tastes, F12000 didn't make the cut, but for many others, theyare

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Not for the first time you have misrepresented what I said. I don't have the arrogance to assume that anyone who disagrees with me is wrong - far from it. My point was that a lot of the negative posts that been seen on this NG are based on total ignorance of the sim and how it works in practice. I was not suggesting that the people who make these statement themselves are ignorant. I hope that (again) my explanation of the use of the English language has been useful to you! Iain Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ... > > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the > news! > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here Ah yes... So now people like me or Michael are "ignorants". Good to know! ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

For reference sake..ignorant posts are not neccessarily from ignorant people.... -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061 ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:seMJ4.27737$[email hidden]... > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here > > Ah yes... > > So now people like me or Michael are "ignorants". Good to know! ;) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:48:18 +0100 Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote: % You made a bit of a mistake then, IMHO. Patience is a virtue - they tell me! % Iain Life is short and I have plenty of things to keep me busy and pleasured, spending time with a sim that wasn't up to my standards just wasn't in the cards. Even after applying many of the tweaks suggested here in r.a.s., F1-2000 was still short of what I want in a sim. I had high hopes for this product and the end result didn't even come close. For those that are (or will enjoy) this product, more power to you. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iS0K4.793$[email hidden]... > Greg, > It's strange isn't it how one or two people seem to have that opinion ofthe > graphics. I think they are superb. Maybe there are too many tweaking > options. I get 20-25 fps @1024x768 with 22 cars and mirrors on on myAthlon > 750 with V3! > I'm coming to the conclusion that there is something about graphics cards > and the performance of F12K. Voodoos appear to perform really well, bothin > frame rate and quality, but Geforce and others seem to be not so good. Yes it is weird. I hope we finally find out what the problem is. I also plan to continue to use my 12MB Voodoo2 when I get my P3-600E going. That way we will get a direct result with FRAPS of what a difference (if at all) a faster CPU will make. I will probably try editing the config.ini file for the system type again. My 450 and V2 gave the system rating of 2 originally. When I tried changing it to 5 as described here I got a huge slowdown. It will be interesting to see if things get much better. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

In your opinion. My opinion on every one of your points is completely opposite. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FQ%J4.1946$[email hidden]... > On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:07:23 +0100 Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote: > % God only knows what you are looking for then! As you say, life is too > % short. > % Iain > > I am looking for a quality all-around sim product and F1-2000 isn't one. > It was rushed out to meet the start of the real 2000 season and wasn't > optimized, de-bugged, the graphics seem unfinished (almost as if they > ran out of paint), the AI ain't, the FF isn't, sound is very lacking, > etc. If and when EA/ISI release a huge update, I may give it another > try. > > On the other hand, NFS:PU was a quality all-around sim product that was > finished, has good graphics, is optimized, good sound, better FF, better > AI, etc. I found NFS:PU more enjoyable, and I still have GPL for my > full fix of racing simulator. > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>and not be biased or overly negative. LOL :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

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> > "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3zMJ4.3792$[email hidden]... > > For reference sake..ignorant posts are not neccessarily from ignorant > > people.... > > I love that !! > John > > > > -- > > > > Colin Harris > > ColinHarris in N3/NL > > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league > > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm > > ICQ 25485061 > > > > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:seMJ4.27737$[email hidden]... > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here > > > > > > Ah yes... > > > > > > So now people like me or Michael are "ignorants". Good to know! ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > > -- http://www.WeRace.net > > > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't > > realise > > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don't do it,...it sux big time!! -- Greetings :)RuuD� +------------------------------+ mailto:[email hidden]

Colin Harris <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:D5FJ4.2934$[email hidden]... > Thanks for asking, Greg - I'm running a K6 II 400, with pretty minimal > grafix (v3 3000, 128Mb RAM). I'd really LIKE to like this game, and I'll > persevere with it for a bit, but if you have any suggestions, I'd love to > hear them!! That explains your performance problems IMHO. I have a P2-450 and just pruchased all the parts for upgrading to a P3-600E. It should be done on monday I hope. My suggestion unfortunately is a faster CPU. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > -- > > Colin Harris > ColinHarris in N3/NL > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm > ICQ 25485061 > > > > ! > > > > Just curious what CPU you have and what resolution you are trying to > > play it in. > > > > > > -- > > > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > > > > >

Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ADFJ4.1780$[email hidden]... > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:10:26 -0500 Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me>wrote: > % Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message > % news:16mJ4.684$[email hidden]... > % > For my tastes, F12000 didn't make the cut, but for many others, theyare

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> % > having a blast. Since you enjoy SGGT, F12000 should seem very > % > similar. However, I feel that F12000 suffers from many of the same > % > problems Cart Precision Racing had, so on that count, you may find > % > F12000 wanting. But you will never know until you try it yourself. > > % If you were not Michael E. Carver I would have assumed this was > % a troll. Since CPR totally blew, and IMHO is no comparison at > % all to F1 2000, I am very curious to know exactly why you did not > % like F1 2000. Were you running it on a P-166 or something? > > PIII 650 with Voodoo3 2000....

Huh, that is weird. As I have said earlier, my P2-450 with 12MB Voodoo 2 is giving 20fps in test and 15fps during races. This is at 800x600 with 22 opponants and the mirrors ON. I also just bought the parts to upgrade my CPU to a P3-600E. The framerate *HAS* to be better than with the P2-450 IMHO. So I don't know. I also don't get what your problem is with the graphics. I think they are spectacular. I guess you just don't like the game. Fine... -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ... > > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the > news! Well since you think the game is a dog and you returned it, I am curious why you are still reading these threads. Are you looking to see if anyone is talking bad about you? Is this like looking at a wreck and you just can't help yourself? I think it is great you don't like F1 2000, but this is weird. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here > > Ah yes... > > So now people like me or Michael are "ignorants". Good to know! ;) >

Don't know about Michael, but you certainly qualify. Wow. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I don't have >the arrogance to assume that anyone who disagrees with me is wrong - far >from it. My point was that a lot of the negative posts that been seen on >this NG are based on total ignorance ... Jeez, could you possibly contradict yourself more severely in a single paragraph? I think not. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

God only knows what you are looking for then! As you say, life is too short. Iain Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BbOJ4.105$[email hidden]... > On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:48:18 +0100 Iain Mackenzie<[email hidden]> wrote: > % You made a bit of a mistake then, IMHO. Patience is a virtue - they tellme!

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> % Iain > > Life is short and I have plenty of things to keep me busy and pleasured, > spending time with a sim that wasn't up to my standards just wasn't in > the cards. Even after applying many of the tweaks suggested here in > r.a.s., F1-2000 was still short of what I want in a sim. I had high > hopes for this product and the end result didn't even come close. For > those that are (or will enjoy) this product, more power to you. > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Here we go again! As usual you are taking words out of context and have distorted their meaning for your own perverted purpose! You have missed out the important words in my post, i.e. 'total ignorance OF THE SIM'. It would appear that you need things to be explained to you more than once, so I'll try ONCE more. The comments in a lot of the negative posts are based on ignorance of the software in practice. Never did I suggest that the individuals doing the posting were themselves ignorant. If you don't understand the difference, then you are either a very young person, or you should go back to school. Happy racing! Iain Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I don't have > >the arrogance to assume that anyone who disagrees with me is wrong - far > >from it. My point was that a lot of the negative posts that been seen on > >this NG are based on total ignorance ... > > Jeez, could you possibly contradict yourself more severely in a single > paragraph? I think not. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

See previous replies on this. In no way am I suggesting that YOU are ignorant, it's just that sometimes your posts are based on ignorance of the software and how it works in practice. Iain ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:seMJ4.27737$[email hidden]...

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here > > Ah yes... > > So now people like me or Michael are "ignorants". Good to know! ;) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > >

Aha! At least one other person in this thread understands the English language! Iain Colin Harris <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3zMJ4.3792$[email hidden]...

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> For reference sake..ignorant posts are not neccessarily from ignorant > people.... > > -- > > Colin Harris > ColinHarris in N3/NL > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm > ICQ 25485061 > > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:seMJ4.27737$[email hidden]... > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here > > > > Ah yes... > > > > So now people like me or Michael are "ignorants". Good to know! ;) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.WeRace.net > > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't > realise > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > > > > >

LOL :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

"Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3zMJ4.3792$[email hidden]... > For reference sake..ignorant posts are not neccessarily from ignorant > people.... I love that !! John

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> > -- > > Colin Harris > ColinHarris in N3/NL > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm > ICQ 25485061 > > ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:seMJ4.27737$[email hidden]... > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here > > > > Ah yes... > > > > So now people like me or Michael are "ignorants". Good to know! ;) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.WeRace.net > > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't > realise > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > > > > >

On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:07:23 +0100 Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote: % God only knows what you are looking for then! As you say, life is too % short. % Iain I am looking for a quality all-around sim product and F1-2000 isn't one. It was rushed out to meet the start of the real 2000 season and wasn't optimized, de-bugged, the graphics seem unfinished (almost as if they ran out of paint), the AI ain't, the FF isn't, sound is very lacking, etc. If and when EA/ISI release a huge update, I may give it another try. On the other hand, NFS:PU was a quality all-around sim product that was finished, has good graphics, is optimized, good sound, better FF, better AI, etc. I found NFS:PU more enjoyable, and I still have GPL for my full fix of racing simulator. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

You are entitled to your opinion Michael, but it differs a lot from mine, and I can assure you that I am a very fussy person! Happy racing! Iain Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FQ%J4.1946$[email hidden]... > On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:07:23 +0100 Iain Mackenzie<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> % God only knows what you are looking for then! As you say, life is too > % short. > % Iain > > I am looking for a quality all-around sim product and F1-2000 isn't one. > It was rushed out to meet the start of the real 2000 season and wasn't > optimized, de-bugged, the graphics seem unfinished (almost as if they > ran out of paint), the AI ain't, the FF isn't, sound is very lacking, > etc. If and when EA/ISI release a huge update, I may give it another > try. > > On the other hand, NFS:PU was a quality all-around sim product that was > finished, has good graphics, is optimized, good sound, better FF, better > AI, etc. I found NFS:PU more enjoyable, and I still have GPL for my > full fix of racing simulator. > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Greg, It's strange isn't it how one or two people seem to have that opinion of the graphics. I think they are superb. Maybe there are too many tweaking options. I get 20-25 fps @1024x768 with 22 cars and mirrors on on my Athlon 750 with V3! I'm coming to the conclusion that there is something about graphics cards and the performance of F12K. Voodoos appear to perform really well, both in frame rate and quality, but Geforce and others seem to be not so good. Iain Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8d9r6c$73s$[email hidden]...

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> Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ADFJ4.1780$[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:10:26 -0500 Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> > wrote: > > % Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > % news:16mJ4.684$[email hidden]... > > % > For my tastes, F12000 didn't make the cut, but for many others, they > are > > % > having a blast. Since you enjoy SGGT, F12000 should seem very > > % > similar. However, I feel that F12000 suffers from many of the same > > % > problems Cart Precision Racing had, so on that count, you may find > > % > F12000 wanting. But you will never know until you try it yourself. > > > > % If you were not Michael E. Carver I would have assumed this was > > % a troll. Since CPR totally blew, and IMHO is no comparison at > > % all to F1 2000, I am very curious to know exactly why you did not > > % like F1 2000. Were you running it on a P-166 or something? > > > > PIII 650 with Voodoo3 2000.... > > Huh, that is weird. As I have said earlier, my P2-450 with 12MB Voodoo 2 > is giving 20fps in test and 15fps during races. This is at 800x600 with 22 > opponants and the mirrors ON. I also just bought the parts to upgrade my > CPU to a P3-600E. The framerate *HAS* to be better than with the P2-450 > IMHO. So I don't know. > > I also don't get what your problem is with the graphics. I think they are > spectacular. I guess you just don't like the game. Fine... > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > >

> Don't do it,...it sux big time!! > -- > Greetings :)RuuD�Intelligent informative comment or subtle humour? hmmm .... I wonder. Iain

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >You have missed out >the important words in my post, i.e. 'total ignorance OF THE SIM'. Your statment is nothing but an insult, since all the posts I've seen are from people who have played the game. When you mature enough to have a reasonable debate, please post again. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: >Well since you think the game is a dog and you returned it, I am >curious why you are still reading these threads. Because I'm interested in sim racing, and because I enjoy debate with reasonable people who hold differing opinions (such as yourself). I probably shouldn't respond to the ones who stoop to insulting everyone they disagree with, you're right. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

And yet, when one makes vague assertions about ignorant posts, without giving any specifics, it can only be interpreted as a lowbrow insult. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Aha! At least one other person in this thread understands the English >language! >news:3zMJ4.3792$[email hidden]... >> For reference sake..ignorant posts are not neccessarily from ignorant >> people.... Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

I didn't see that much of an improvement when I upgraded from a 500 Athlon to a 750. It was very disappointing! Iain Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8dbcat$j8a$[email hidden]...

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> Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iS0K4.793$[email hidden]... > > Greg, > > It's strange isn't it how one or two people seem to have that opinion of > the > > graphics. I think they are superb. Maybe there are too many tweaking > > options. I get 20-25 fps @1024x768 with 22 cars and mirrors on on my > Athlon > > 750 with V3! > > I'm coming to the conclusion that there is something about graphics

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> in > > frame rate and quality, but Geforce and others seem to be not so good. > > Yes it is weird. I hope we finally find out what the problem is. I also > plan to continue to use my 12MB Voodoo2 when I get my P3-600E > going. That way we will get a direct result with FRAPS of what a > difference (if at all) a faster CPU will make. I will probably try > editing the config.ini file for the system type again. My 450 and > V2 gave the system rating of 2 originally. When I tried changing > it to 5 as described here I got a huge slowdown. It will be interesting > to see if things get much better. > > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

End of debate as far as I'm concerned - you are a very strange individual in my opinion. I hope you find someone who suits your intellect and level of reasoning to argue with soon. Iain Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >You have missed out > >the important words in my post, i.e. 'total ignorance OF THE SIM'. > > Your statment is nothing but an insult, since all the posts I've seen > are from people who have played the game. When you mature enough to > have a reasonable debate, please post again. > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >End of debate as far as I'm concerned - you are a very strange individual in >my opinion. Thanks! Coming from you that's a compliment to be sure. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

This game is very poor and disappointing. I can't see how people in here say that the physics are good. No F1 car behaves or drives like this game makes it out to be. Have you used the external view? Car looks like it is floating on the road from side to side. Unbelievable. Joe62 wrote:

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> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ... > > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the > news! > > Joe McGinn > _____________________ > Radical Entertainment

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote > In your opinion. My opinion on every one of your points is > completely opposite. In your opinion. My opinion on every one of your opposite points is completely opposite. They say opposites attract... hmmmm ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Well, I don't race in external view, too unrealistic for me. Physics seem pretty good, not to say they can't be better, but I am enjoying it. As for how no F1 car behaves or drivers like they do in this game, I really can't comment as I have never driven a formula 1 car. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends "Mrv" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This game is very poor and disappointing. I can't see how people in > here say that the physics are good. No F1 car behaves or drives like > this game makes it out to be. Have you used the external view? Car > looks like it is floating on the road from side to side. Unbelievable. > > Joe62 wrote: > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ... > > > > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the > > news! > > > > Joe McGinn > > _____________________ > > Radical Entertainment >

Mrv <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Did you 9 year old nephew tell you that this game is pure shit?. Listento > him he knows more than you do. Whatever. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Mrv <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This game is very poor and disappointing. I can't see how people in > here say that the physics are good. No F1 car behaves or drives like > this game makes it out to be. Have you used the external view? Car External view? Get real, my 9 year old nephew uses the external view. haha. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > looks like it is floating on the road from side to side. Unbelievable. > > Joe62 wrote: > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ... > > > > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the > > news! > > > > Joe McGinn > > _____________________ > > Radical Entertainment >

Did you 9 year old nephew tell you that this game is pure shit?. Listen to him he knows more than you do. Greg Cisko wrote:

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> Mrv <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This game is very poor and disappointing. I can't see how people in > > here say that the physics are good. No F1 car behaves or drives like > > this game makes it out to be. Have you used the external view? Car > > External view? Get real, my 9 year old nephew uses the external > view. haha. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > looks like it is floating on the road from side to side. Unbelievable. > > > > Joe62 wrote: > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Yep, go for it! Ignore a lot of the ignorant posts you see here ... > > > > > > People who disagree with you are ignorant now? Oh, thanks for the > > > news! > > > > > > Joe McGinn > > > _____________________ > > > Radical Entertainment > >