Re: F1 2000 & FF

Matt & Toni <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Dammit, I read that! I must be doing something wrong here. I really hold > > Allison's comments in pretty high regard, considering all of her work > with GPL... But I get nothing! She said she can feel more downforce at > higher speeds... what did I screw up in my LWFF profile? I actually have Yes I read that at her website too. I did some testing with my LWFF this morning. I found that with the centering spring OFF you definately feel the FF while in the pits. At soon as your front tires pass the orange speed line at pit exit, all FF is lost for all practical purposes. I tried setting the spring centering as she said and tried both 100% and 50% for spring centering strength. I honestly did not feel the effects she mentioned at all. In fact I believe she was just plain mistaken. The best "feel" with those setups was when I had the spring centering turned on and the centering force set to 50%. > my centering spring and FF effects set on 150% and I get nada. Anybody > have a profile they want to post or possibly send me? I really want FF > in this game other than in the pits, but I think I get more road > resposnse from my non-FF There is enough FF in silverstone to feel the bumps at the 2 slowest turns on the track. You just do not feel loading and unloading in the turns which for me is the biggie. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Dammit, I read that! I must be doing something wrong here. I really hold Allison's comments in pretty high regard, considering all of her work with GPL... But I get nothing! She said she can feel more downforce at higher speeds... what did I***up in my LWFF profile? I actually have my centering spring and FF effects set on 150% and I get nada. Anybody have a profile they want to post or possibly send me? I really want FF in this game other than in the pits, but I think I get more road resposnse from my non-FF Thrustmaster GP1 wheel. Besides, my crew *hates* it when i race around in the pits checking out the forces! PLEASE?!?!?!?!? Warlock! > >>Sorry, don't agree with you here. For another opinion, look at > Alison > >>Hine's respected site [link lost in import] > and the > >>F1 2000 link. > >>Iain

Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YEyJ4.1747$[email hidden]... > Greg, > I have to disagree with you here. There definitely a lightening of the > steering load when lifting off on kerbs say and an increase in resistance > when having a major 'off'. You guys are talking about the spring strength > aren't you? It's not really the same thing. CenteringSpring Strength. I am also not talking about loading & unloading during major "offs" or lightening of the steering load that you describe on the kerbs. I am talking about feeling the loading & unloading of the chassis in turns while still one the track. No way do I feel that. And that is one of the things Alison boasted as liking. At least that is how I read that part of her web site. I am saying she is mistaken to think you can get loading/unloading type of feedback while driving the track. A cool feature which F1RS has (but only when you use the MSFF wheel) is that you definately feel the tension loosen as you lose grip in turns. That gives you immediate feed- back on how the car is handling, making driving easier and FF more than a gimmick. Sadly (and IMHO surprisingly) the LWFF does not give the same type of effect in F1RS. GPL has awesome FF and so does F1 2000, as long as you stay in the pits ;-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Greg, I have to disagree with you here. There definitely a lightening of the steering load when lifting off on kerbs say and an increase in resistance when having a major 'off'. You guys are talking about the spring strength aren't you? It's not really the same thing. Iain Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8d63qa$e4o$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (39 lines)

> Matt & Toni <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Dammit, I read that! I must be doing something wrong here. I really hold > > > > Allison's comments in pretty high regard, considering all of her work > > with GPL... But I get nothing! She said she can feel more downforce at > > higher speeds... what did I screw up in my LWFF profile? I actually have > > Yes I read that at her website too. I did some testing with my LWFF > this morning. I found that with the centering spring OFF you definately > feel the FF while in the pits. At soon as your front tires pass the orange > speed line at pit exit, all FF is lost for all practical purposes. > > I tried setting the spring centering as she said and tried both 100% > and 50% for spring centering strength. I honestly did not feel the > effects she mentioned at all. In fact I believe she was just plain > mistaken. The best "feel" with those setups was when I had the > spring centering turned on and the centering force set to 50%. > > > my centering spring and FF effects set on 150% and I get nada. Anybody > > have a profile they want to post or possibly send me? I really want FF > > in this game other than in the pits, but I think I get more road > > resposnse from my non-FF > > There is enough FF in silverstone to feel the bumps at the > 2 slowest turns on the track. You just do not feel loading and > unloading in the turns which for me is the biggie. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > > >

Iain... Centering spring or not, it feels like there is a switch (to me) that is automatically flicked off as soon as you cross the line coming out of the pits (and flicked on again as soon as you cross the line entering the pits). It feels as tho all FF road friction is turned off (no resistance at all when turning the wheel, even at high speeds). I feel bumps, curbs, edge of road (not quite as much as in SCGT here), but I get no "tracking" feel, meaning no resistance to the steering wheel when all wheels are aligned but feeling pressure when turning the wheel as the tires try to return to the path of least resistance (i.e., straight ahead). Enter the pits again and it feels great. Considering that some people say the FF is great & others feel it doesn't exist, maybe it's an anomally... I dunno... I'm stumped. And Pissed. I love the game, but I get a better fell when the FF is turned off. What are you're settings at? Warlock! Iain Mackenzie wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

> Greg, > I have to disagree with you here. There definitely a lightening of the > steering load when lifting off on kerbs say and an increase in resistance > when having a major 'off'. You guys are talking about the spring strength > aren't you? It's not really the same thing. > Iain > Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message

Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8d724j$kkm$[email hidden]... > Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YEyJ4.1747$[email hidden]... > > Greg, > > I have to disagree with you here. There definitely a lightening of the > > steering load when lifting off on kerbs say and an increase inresistance > > when having a major 'off'. You guys are talking about the springstrength > > aren't you? It's not really the same thing. > > CenteringSpring Strength. I am also not talking about loading & unloading > during major "offs" or lightening of the steering load that you describeon > the kerbs. I am talking about feeling the loading & unloading of thechassis > in turns while still one the track. No way do I feel that. And that is one > of the > things Alison boasted as liking. At least that is how I read that part of > her > web site. I am saying she is mistaken to think you can getloading/unloading

Quoted text (9 lines)

> type of feedback while driving the track. A cool feature which F1RS has > (but only when you use the MSFF wheel) is that you definately feel the > tension loosen as you lose grip in turns. That gives you immediate feed- > back on how the car is handling, making driving easier and FF more than > a gimmick. Sadly (and IMHO surprisingly) the LWFF does not give the > same type of effect in F1RS. > > GPL has awesome FF and so does F1 2000, as long as you stay > in the pits ;-)

I to have to disagree with Alison about the FF effects in F1 2000, there just isn't any besides going over the curbs. I've tried with the centering spring and without, and the end result is exactly the same: NONE. Joel Willstein [email hidden]