Race Sim Central
Rec.Autos.Simulators Archive

Re: GPL - setups .... - .... Scam?

2 posts by 2 people · 14 Apr 2000 23:56 UTC - 15 Apr 2000 06:59 UTC

Michael E. Carver 14 Apr 2000 23:56 UTC#278022
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:44:44 +0200 Jon Andersen <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> % Some of you will probably say that trailbraking is the reason why these % aliens drive so fast with their 53 pst brake balance. Well, it's not. I % trailbrake myself. Trailbraking is easier, and more necessary, with a more % front biased brake balance. % I really do not understand why so many choose to drive with a 53 pst brake % balance. Neither do I understand why the fast guys chooses a soft setup at M % onza. My setup is *very* different from the pro's setups. Still, I drive % reasonably well, at least at Monza. % Someone, please enlighten me on this subject. Many of the fast-lappers drive and steer with the tail of the car. It's a very fine art and one that I haven't even come close to mastering. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Thomas JS Brown 15 Apr 2000 06:59 UTC#277888
Quoted text (8 lines)> Many of the fast-lappers drive and steer with the tail of the car. It's > a very fine art and one that I haven't even come close to mastering. > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Well, thats only partially true. They steer with a combination of the front and rear of the car. The typical diff setup being 85/30 or 45 lends itself to tremendous amounts of understeer and thusly many of these drivers increase the number of clutches to get the rear lean in the direction of oversteer under power, and back off when a spin is spin is near and allow the coast side to induce understeer and thusly maintain high speeds through the turns while using the maximum amount of trackspace. It looks a lot more like modern rally driving than late '60s F1 powerslide style driving, and it would seem that given the physical restraints of the GPL world this is the fastest way around most of the tracks. It is however not at all the way these cars were driven (or driven today in classic races). Having said that, I should say that G. Huttu, W. Woeger and all the others whom have put many hours into GPL and hold record laps should be considered masters....of that particular style. The complexity of GPL is such that you can learn a lot about vehicle dynamics by experimenting with different diff. settings ride heights etc. But as always, as with other sims, everyone wants to get the world record hotlap, and all it takes is one guy to figure out where the physics are weak, exploit it, and then you have the next trend in driving style. Why?, because he figured out how to go fast...regardless of whether it was "realistic" or not. If you think driving with brake bias set at 53 is hard, try 51% with front springs set to the softest and the rear set to under 100 and a 45/85 diff with 1 clutch (supposedly a "real world" setting according to Carrol Smith) . With such a setup you can fully experience steering with the rear end and really get a taste of what driving one of these magnificent beasts was like. You probably wont break any records, unless your name happens to be Huttu or Woeger.....but not without practice and a complete change of philosphy. TJSB

Sponsors

Affiliate Links

Sim Gaming Expo MOZA Racing Sim-Lab Fanatec TrakRacer Asetek Internet Privacy From NordVPN Dreamhost Capital One Credit Card Application Fanatical CDKeys Amazon Amazon UK Project Motor Racing iRacing Get your racing gloves, boots and more from Demon Tweeks. Enlist at Roberts Space Industries, developers of Star Citizen and Squadron 42


Back from the ashes since July, 2019. First created in 2001 with the merger of Legends Central (founded 1999) and simracing.dk.

A site by a sort of sim racer, for sim racers, about racing sims. News and information on both modern and historic sim racing software titles.

All products and licenses property of their respective owners.


Facebook Threads Bluesky Twitter Mastodon Instagram YouTube Tiktok Twitch Reddit Google News Apple News Subscribe via WordPress Flipboard eBay

Race Sim Central © 1999-2026 | Some links pay RSC a commission. Advertising does not equal endorsement.Cookie Policy