Re: Road car driving

Cue the "Stop Driving Like An Idiot On The Road Before You Kill Someone!" thread... <g> Tim On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:29:43 GMT, "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around >with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the >drill. > >For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by >any sim, not even GPL. > > >

Actually, I went the other way. I drive a six-year-old Saturn sedan in real life (couldn't throw it sideways with a catapult) and have found great enjoyment pushing around Trabants, Fiat 500s and 2CVs in BreakNeck. Nothing like putting a CH pedal to the, uh, plastic and having the simulated vehicle leap to a top speed of, say, 53 mph! Or hitting even a modest grade and watching the gears drop from 4th to 1st. Most kidding aside, racing woefully underpowered cars rewards precision and, for all its other shortcomings, the Saturn, while hardly speedy, does respond to precise commands. On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:29:43 GMT, "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around >with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the >drill. > >For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by >any sim, not even GPL. > > > >

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Well, I now always drive with the pedal to the metal... I've to, with my 29Bhp car, otherwise I got hit in the rear by that pesky Yugo... <g> Remco "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around >with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the >drill. > >For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by >any sim, not even GPL.

I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the drill. For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by any sim, not even GPL.

I always try to leave a bit of time between finishing GPL and going out for a drive just to make sure I don't start taking the racing line. After all there's no Shift-R in real life. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk

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> > >> I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play >around >> with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get >the >> drill. >> > >I tried a real car last christmas. Didn't like it. there was something wrong >with the FF....

But I bet the framerate was great.... Remco PS. Line stolen from Vail Riches....

> I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us playaround > with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you getthe > drill. > I tried a real car last christmas. Didn't like it. there was something wrong with the FF.... Jon

Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Harjan Brand wrote: > > > > I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us playaround > > with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you getthe > > drill. > > > > For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beatenby

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> > any sim, not even GPL. > > I have a (t)rusty 5 year old Renault Clio with 75 bhp. Which is just the > amount of power I can feel confident with. I have a very specific right > hand corner that can be taken at about 60 km/h and is actually an entry > to an unfinished highway, so there are two empty lanes that create my > run-off area. > > What I find interesting is that I have far more confidence in the car > right after playing GPL and my inputs are more in touch with what the > car is doing in that case. I only spun there once, and it wasn't after > GPL. I enetered the slide, let go off the accelerator in 2nd and didn't > see a snap oversteer develop, which would have otherwise been easily > corrected by adding some power. > > But the best time I had was of course in the snow. Thank god for front > wheel drive! You enter a corner, perhaps understeer a bit, pull the > handbrake gently and you are sliding. Once you are sideways enough start > playing with the accelerator and there you have a looooong drift. > > Or I take a warm summer night and drive to the top of a local hill > (about 800m height difference). Braking into hairpins, blipping the > throttle on downshifts (I do use the clutch, I love my car too much!), > then applying power and have permanent tyre sqeal through the hairpin. > > I just started drooling by writing this. I'll get the carkeys now! > > > -Gregor

My driving expoits pre-date GPL by many years. I just finished a four-year stint living in Davos, Switzerland. It's smack in the middle of the Alps. The only way out of the town was via one of three mountain pass roads; hairpin heaven, with a good view down to the next level. Fun, isn't it? Did GPL enhance my real-world driving? Nope. 10 years of Canadian winters and rear drive did that. Stephen

In article <X30L4.2593$[email hidden]>, "Harjan Brand" <[email hidden]> writes: >I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around >with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the >drill. > >For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by >any sim, not even GPL. Uh, no. After all, I can't Shift-R in my real car... And I can't afford to have to repair or replace it... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well I used to, even before GPL. Up until middle 1998 I drove a 1979 1098cc Golf and to keep up with modern traffic I had to drive it pretty hard. I used to derive great pleasure in scrubbing off a 5 series Beamer (or somesuch) by being brave in a turn (especially in the wet). I also used to take turns I knew like the back of my hand in a controlled drift, just for the heck of it. Mind you, I never took it to the very limit (not intentionally <g>) and certainly never with a passenger in the car or in heavy traffic. Eventually it died and in my "new" car (Nissan Almera) which has power steering, servo assisted brakes and pre-emptive fuel injection (whatever that is) I lack the directness I felt in the Golf and therefore the confidence to really use its potential. On the other hand it's faster and handles better, so there's no real need to push the envelope to get a move on. Jan. =--- Harjan Brand <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X30L4.2593$[email hidden]... > I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us playaround > with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you getthe

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> drill. > > For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by > any sim, not even GPL. > > > >

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> Actually, I went the other way. I drive a six-year-old Saturn sedan > in real life (couldn't throw it sideways with a catapult) and have > found great enjoyment pushing around Trabants, Fiat 500s and 2CVs in > BreakNeck. Nothing like putting a CH pedal to the, uh, plastic and > having the simulated vehicle leap to a top speed of, say, 53 mph! Or > hitting even a modest grade and watching the gears drop from 4th to > 1st. Most kidding aside, racing woefully underpowered cars rewards > precision and, for all its other shortcomings, the Saturn, while > hardly speedy, does respond to precise commands. >

I finally learned what it meant to be smooth when I bought a '72 Mercedes manual tranny 240D. When you got speed up on that thing you didn't want to give it up for anything! Big heavy sedan, skinny hard tires, no power, but on the other hand a superb chassis and suspension. You could actually powerslide the thing in the snow, and with absolute confidence and precision no matter how bad the road conditions. Since then I've owned and Alfa, a CRX and even a Maserati, but I still miss that old Merc.

Harjan Brand wrote: > I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around > with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the > drill. > > For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by > any sim, not even GPL. I found it (white knuckle) hilarious that after driving around the race track at the Motorsport Ranch here in Dallas in his family car at the sedate (for the setting) speed of around 90-95 mph, my compatriot that I was riding with burned home at 80+ on the highway. In traffic. Way too much closer to the car ahead than he had been on the track where he had lots of runoff room... I was glad to survive the trip ;) -- Matthew V. Jessick Motorsims [email hidden] http://www.moto1.net Vehicle Dynamics Engineer (972)910-8866, Fax: (972)910-8216 Motorsport Ranch http://www.motorsportranch.com/ "A Sportscar Country Club" One of the good things about living in the Dallas area... ;)

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> > I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around > with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the > drill. > > For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by > any sim, not even GPL.

I have a (t)rusty 5 year old Renault Clio with 75 bhp. Which is just the amount of power I can feel confident with. I have a very specific right hand corner that can be taken at about 60 km/h and is actually an entry to an unfinished highway, so there are two empty lanes that create my run-off area. What I find interesting is that I have far more confidence in the car right after playing GPL and my inputs are more in touch with what the car is doing in that case. I only spun there once, and it wasn't after GPL. I enetered the slide, let go off the accelerator in 2nd and didn't see a snap oversteer develop, which would have otherwise been easily corrected by adding some power. But the best time I had was of course in the snow. Thank god for front wheel drive! You enter a corner, perhaps understeer a bit, pull the handbrake gently and you are sliding. Once you are sideways enough start playing with the accelerator and there you have a looooong drift. Or I take a warm summer night and drive to the top of a local hill (about 800m height difference). Braking into hairpins, blipping the throttle on downshifts (I do use the clutch, I love my car too much!), then applying power and have permanent tyre sqeal through the hairpin. I just started drooling by writing this. I'll get the carkeys now! -Gregor

What was the crx like? I'm pondering buying one as i need a new car since I wrote mine off. -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends kevingav <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8djbhk$s5i$[email hidden]... | | <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > Actually, I went the other way. I drive a six-year-old Saturn sedan | > in real life (couldn't throw it sideways with a catapult) and have | > found great enjoyment pushing around Trabants, Fiat 500s and 2CVs in | > BreakNeck. Nothing like putting a CH pedal to the, uh, plastic and | > having the simulated vehicle leap to a top speed of, say, 53 mph! Or | > hitting even a modest grade and watching the gears drop from 4th to | > 1st. Most kidding aside, racing woefully underpowered cars rewards | > precision and, for all its other shortcomings, the Saturn, while | > hardly speedy, does respond to precise commands. | > | I finally learned what it meant to be smooth when I bought a '72 Mercedes | manual tranny 240D. When you got speed up on that thing you didn't want to | give it up for anything! | | Big heavy sedan, skinny hard tires, no power, but on the other hand a superb | chassis and suspension. You could actually powerslide the thing in the snow, | and with absolute confidence and precision no matter how bad the road | conditions. | | Since then I've owned and Alfa, a CRX and even a Maserati, but I still miss | that old Merc. | |

Never driven one but they were good enough to justify a one make national racing series in the UK a couple of years back. MS "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8dkqd1$k31$[email hidden]... > What was the crx like? I'm pondering buying one as i need a new car sinceI

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> wrote mine off. > > -- > Cheers, > > Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. > > http://www.oppositelock.co.uk > > N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends > > kevingav <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8djbhk$s5i$[email hidden]... > | > | <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:[email hidden]... > | > Actually, I went the other way. I drive a six-year-old Saturn sedan > | > in real life (couldn't throw it sideways with a catapult) and have > | > found great enjoyment pushing around Trabants, Fiat 500s and 2CVs in > | > BreakNeck. Nothing like putting a CH pedal to the, uh, plastic and > | > having the simulated vehicle leap to a top speed of, say, 53 mph! Or > | > hitting even a modest grade and watching the gears drop from 4th to > | > 1st. Most kidding aside, racing woefully underpowered cars rewards > | > precision and, for all its other shortcomings, the Saturn, while > | > hardly speedy, does respond to precise commands. > | > > | I finally learned what it meant to be smooth when I bought a '72

Mercedes > | manual tranny 240D. When you got speed up on that thing you didn't wantto

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> | give it up for anything! > | > | Big heavy sedan, skinny hard tires, no power, but on the other hand a > superb > | chassis and suspension. You could actually powerslide the thing in the > snow, > | and with absolute confidence and precision no matter how bad the road > | conditions. > | > | Since then I've owned and Alfa, a CRX and even a Maserati, but I still > miss > | that old Merc. > | > | > >

Would that be the newer 2 seater crx type? A late 80s model is more my price range! -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TjnL4.1104$[email hidden]... | Never driven one but they were good enough to justify a one make national | racing series in the UK a couple of years back. | | MS | "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:8dkqd1$k31$[email hidden]... | > What was the crx like? I'm pondering buying one as i need a new car since | I | > wrote mine off. | > | > -- | > Cheers, | > | > Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. | > | > http://www.oppositelock.co.uk | > | > N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends | > | > kevingav <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:8djbhk$s5i$[email hidden]... | > | | > | <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | news:[email hidden]... | > | > Actually, I went the other way. I drive a six-year-old Saturn sedan | > | > in real life (couldn't throw it sideways with a catapult) and have | > | > found great enjoyment pushing around Trabants, Fiat 500s and 2CVs in | > | > BreakNeck. Nothing like putting a CH pedal to the, uh, plastic and | > | > having the simulated vehicle leap to a top speed of, say, 53 mph! Or | > | > hitting even a modest grade and watching the gears drop from 4th to | > | > 1st. Most kidding aside, racing woefully underpowered cars rewards | > | > precision and, for all its other shortcomings, the Saturn, while | > | > hardly speedy, does respond to precise commands. | > | > | > | I finally learned what it meant to be smooth when I bought a '72 | Mercedes | > | manual tranny 240D. When you got speed up on that thing you didn't want | to | > | give it up for anything! | > | | > | Big heavy sedan, skinny hard tires, no power, but on the other hand a | > superb | > | chassis and suspension. You could actually powerslide the thing in the | > snow, | > | and with absolute confidence and precision no matter how bad the road | > | conditions. | > | | > | Since then I've owned and Alfa, a CRX and even a Maserati, but I still | > miss | > | that old Merc. | > | | > | | > | > | |

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:29:42 -0700, Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>My real car has about the same horsepower and traction as the Ferrari in >GPL (although more than twice as heavy). You can see it at >http://home.inreach.com/tjester/ >It does actually handle very, very well, but it certainly doesn't handle >as well as the Ferrari. I'm pretty confidant pitching the Ferrari >sideways in GPL at 130 MPH or whatever, but in real life I find I'm not >quite so fearless ;-)

Nice! I had a 67 289 fastback with a 4 barrel, 4 speed and front disc brakes. It was actually a pretty oddly optioned car. It wasn't a GT, but had all the GT components with the exception of the stripes and grille lights. No Pony interior either, but I don't remember if that was standard with the GT anymore. I dug the original build sheet out from under the front seat to verify that options were factory installed. I kept the build sheet when I sold the car, as sort of a memento. I wonder if the guy read about them being stashed there and went looking for it? :-) I also still have a set of original 67 Shelby tail lights (Cougar style with sequential indicator) and rear valance. I was going to put the scoops and lights on my car to make it look like a Shelby then decided to keep it factory correct. I was so into Mustangs in my late teens-early 20's that I knew most of the factory and color codes just by looking at them. Tim

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>My real car has about the same horsepower and traction as the Ferrari in >GPL (although more than twice as heavy). You can see it at >http://home.inreach.com/tjester/ >It does actually handle very, very well, but it certainly doesn't handle >as well as the Ferrari. I'm pretty confidant pitching the Ferrari >sideways in GPL at 130 MPH or whatever, but in real life I find I'm not >quite so fearless ;-) >

Nice ride! How long have you been working on it? I wouldn't have a CLUE how to restore a car... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yes Robin. I'm going back to about 1996. Late 80's eh....Luxury. My last car was an early 80's Nissan but don't tell anybody else here about that will you! <G> MS "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8dl7g6$6m0$[email hidden]...

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> Would that be the newer 2 seater crx type? > A late 80s model is more my price range! > > -- > Cheers, > > Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. > > http://www.oppositelock.co.uk > > N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends > > m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TjnL4.1104$[email hidden]... > | Never driven one but they were good enough to justify a one make

national > | racing series in the UK a couple of years back. > | > | MS > | "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage

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> | news:8dkqd1$k31$[email hidden]... > | > What was the crx like? I'm pondering buying one as i need a new car > since > | I > | > wrote mine off. > | > > | > -- > | > Cheers, > | > > | > Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. > | > > | > http://www.oppositelock.co.uk > | > > | > N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends > | > > | > kevingav <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | > news:8djbhk$s5i$[email hidden]... > | > | > | > | <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | > | news:[email hidden]... > | > | > Actually, I went the other way. I drive a six-year-old Saturn

sedan > | > | > in real life (couldn't throw it sideways with a catapult) and have > | > | > found great enjoyment pushing around Trabants, Fiat 500s and 2CVsin > | > | > BreakNeck. Nothing like putting a CH pedal to the, uh, plasticand > | > | > having the simulated vehicle leap to a top speed of, say, 53 mph! > Or > | > | > hitting even a modest grade and watching the gears drop from 4thto > | > | > 1st. Most kidding aside, racing woefully underpowered carsrewards

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> | > | > precision and, for all its other shortcomings, the Saturn, while > | > | > hardly speedy, does respond to precise commands. > | > | > > | > | I finally learned what it meant to be smooth when I bought a '72 > | Mercedes > | > | manual tranny 240D. When you got speed up on that thing you didn't > want > | to > | > | give it up for anything! > | > | > | > | Big heavy sedan, skinny hard tires, no power, but on the other hand

a > | > superb > | > | chassis and suspension. You could actually powerslide the thing inthe > | > snow, > | > | and with absolute confidence and precision no matter how bad theroad > | > | conditions. > | > | > | > | Since then I've owned and Alfa, a CRX and even a Maserati, but Istill

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> | > miss > | > | that old Merc. > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > | > >

My real car has about the same horsepower and traction as the Ferrari in GPL (although more than twice as heavy). You can see it at http://home.inreach.com/tjester/ It does actually handle very, very well, but it certainly doesn't handle as well as the Ferrari. I'm pretty confidant pitching the Ferrari sideways in GPL at 130 MPH or whatever, but in real life I find I'm not quite so fearless ;-) -Tony- Harjan Brand wrote:

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> > I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around > with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the > drill. > > For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by > any sim, not even GPL.

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> >My real car has about the same horsepower and traction as the Ferrari in >GPL (although more than twice as heavy). You can see it at >http://home.inreach.com/tjester/ >It does actually handle very, very well, but it certainly doesn't handle >as well as the Ferrari. I'm pretty confidant pitching the Ferrari >sideways in GPL at 130 MPH or whatever, but in real life I find I'm not >quite so fearless ;-)

WOW. Absolutely beautiful car Tony! I'd love to hear a .wav file of how it sounds!

You know Michael, that's a good idea. I should put one on the page for downloading, thanks! -Tony- Michael Haiduk wrote in message >WOW. Absolutely beautiful car Tony! I'd love to hear a .wav file of how it >sounds! >

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:35:36 -0400, Tim O. <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Nice! I had a 67 289 fastback with a 4 barrel, 4 speed and front disc >brakes. It was actually a pretty oddly optioned car. >It wasn't a GT, but had all the GT components with the exception of >the stripes and grille lights. No Pony interior either, but I don't >remember if that was standard with the GT anymore. >I dug the original build sheet out from under the front seat to verify >that options were factory installed.

Oh, damn... Now I'm going to be waxing nostalgic for hours about the 66 GT-350 I had in college. I traded it for a... no, I don't think I'm willing to admit that. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

> Did GPL enhance my real-world driving? Nope. 10 years of Canadianwinters > and rear drive did that. Man am I glad I live in Phoenix... I have a '70 GMC 1/2 ton short-wheelbase pickup with a nearly-stock (prolly around 230 hp but LOADS of torque and no gas mileage =) Chevy 350 V8...it also has a stoutly built Turbo 400, a 3.73:1 ratio open-style rearend, and 10-year-old BFGoodrich Radial T/As...if I stomp on it on a nice dry smooth road I can make both of them spin (right more than the left, but it is kinda odd how it doesn't seem to be as much as it should...and I've looked inside, doesn't look like a posi to me, and it's been in the family all 30 years...) for about twenty feet and it will make one heck of a loud chirp (at partial throttle...at full it downright shakes the thing up =) when it bangs from 1st to 2nd gear...that's on a dry, smooth, high-traciton surface and assuming the tranny is warm (it shifts smoother and a little slower then)... Let's say that I pull up to a stopsign with a gutter crossing the street in front of it, and there's water in it from someone washing their car...if I give it more than 25% throttle the rears just light up =) Thankfully, rain is a rarity...what's snow? =D -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA"

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > >My real car has about the same horsepower and traction as the Ferrari in > >GPL (although more than twice as heavy). You can see it at > >http://home.inreach.com/tjester/ > >It does actually handle very, very well, but it certainly doesn't handle > >as well as the Ferrari. I'm pretty confidant pitching the Ferrari > >sideways in GPL at 130 MPH or whatever, but in real life I find I'm not > >quite so fearless ;-)

NIIICE Mustang!!! About the same power as that Ferrari?? What the...oh, there's some pics of that motor...good work!! (How do you manage to get a 347 cube engine?? I know there's 302s, 351 Clevelands (and those are just stroked 302's right?) and 351 Windsors, but never heard of anything around 347...) Twisted wedge heads, looks like you did the works on that motor...yeah, 400+ sounds good =) You know, one of my dad's friends is building a Mustang from that vintage (one of those very first body styles, cant remember the year) with a really, really tricked out 5.0...twin turbos and a custom built fuel injection system (at least it looks like it to me...basically a standard 5.0 fuel injeciton setup except it's made out of big ol' shiny pipes =) That should be cool... -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA"

I have to disagree here. GPL is much more realistic than driving a real car on a real road. Until they come out with a patch, real life takes a back seat for me. -- Mark Jeangerard www.soundchaserweb.com New Mexico, USA Harjan Brand <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X30L4.2593$[email hidden]... > I was wondering after the GPL and realism thread how many of us play around > with their road cars. Throwing it sideways, driving nice lines, you get the > drill. > > For me real driving is the ultimate and something that can't be beaten by > any sim, not even GPL. > > > >