Re: GP3...SAVE US!!!!!!

"Tomlani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How much longer must we wait for GP3 to come and save us from the bowelsof the > hell which all sim racers are in right now? F12k would be good if itdidn't > have such lousy frame rate and AI. How come every car locks up theirbrakes on > every corner even during the formation lap? My guess is that EA is veryproud > of their smoke effects!! :) I surely do hope GP3 lives up to the hype. I hate to think about the increased suicide rate if it doesn't. :-) Jerry Morelock

How much longer must we wait for GP3 to come and save us from the bowels of the hell which all sim racers are in right now? F12k would be good if it didn't have such lousy frame rate and AI. How come every car locks up their brakes on every corner even during the formation lap? My guess is that EA is very proud of their smoke effects!! :)

>>How come every car locks up their brakes on every corner even during theformation lap? << Doesn't happen with me! BTW, turn smoke (and dust) off to improve frame rates. Also, turn off shadows, and mirror detail (but not mirrors). Iain Tomlani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How much longer must we wait for GP3 to come and save us from the bowelsof the > hell which all sim racers are in right now? F12k would be good if itdidn't > have such lousy frame rate and AI. How come every car locks up theirbrakes on > every corner even during the formation lap? My guess is that EA is veryproud > of their smoke effects!! :)

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:24:46 +0100 Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote: % >>How come every car locks up their brakes on every corner even during the % formation lap? << % Doesn't happen with me! % BTW, turn smoke (and dust) off to improve frame rates. Also, turn off % shadows, and mirror detail (but not mirrors). % Iain Would that be because you have smoke turned off? <G> Or better yet, share your tweaks so others can experience the same thing. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote > BTW, turn smoke (and dust) off to improve frame rates Why should I have to turn off an essential element to racing simulation such as smoke to have a acceptable framerate? Does it mean that ISI has problem with some effects of their game engine? Will they patch it? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Lol, they are bad in that first turn on the starts. I have to wonder though, how much of a graphics hog will GP3 be? -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends "Tomlani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How much longer must we wait for GP3 to come and save us from the bowels of the > hell which all sim racers are in right now? F12k would be good if it didn't > have such lousy frame rate and AI. How come every car locks up their brakes on > every corner even during the formation lap? My guess is that EA is very proud > of their smoke effects!! :)

Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well, with AI races I wouldn't really care, but online it might be auseful > >clue about where the guy ahead of you is consistently overdriving thecar.

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> >But I imagine this kind of information isn't passed down the pipe anyway, > >which would be a shame (the computer I have used for GPL was never potent > >enough to display smoke in online races, so I really don't know what it > >does). I guess I've just found a little experiment to do tonight... does > >GPL properly display the smoke from your (online) competitors' tires? > > > Yes, GPL does....better yet, it also models dirt, which comes in handy > on Spa, so you can spray some of the dirt in the face of that Lotus > driver behind you <g> > > Remco

Beefy Eagle kicks sand in the face of Lotus 98lb weakling. Ha. Oh man... then my friend really needs to upgrade his PC (I'm a notebook user) so I can see this. So tell me, because I gather from your posts you are one of the more experienced online racers, does the smoke give you valuable information about when the guy ahead is overdriving his car, or do people mostly take advantage of really large errors? Stephen

In article <XQrL4.121754$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Quit honking... Mobil 1 Rally Championship, SBK2000, NFS:PU... and GPLstill > alive and kicking. We never had it so good. > > Jan. Never had it so good? I am still playing GP2 because there is not another F1 sim around that is worth spending 80 or 90 dollars on. As for GPL, it does not incorporate recent championships. I will not have enough until I get GP3!! Ryath Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:icrL4.1394$[email hidden]...

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> > > Why should I have to turn off an essential element to racing simulation > such > > as smoke to have a acceptable framerate? > > Don't bother then, it's up to you! > However, I think you'll find that turning down detail like smoke is pretty > normal to get any sim (GPL, GP2, etc.) running acceptably to suit your > system. Stating the obvious, but there is always a trade off with detail

and > frame rate - it is up to you how you deal with it. > Iain > Well, with AI races I wouldn't really care, but online it might be a useful clue about where the guy ahead of you is consistently overdriving the car. But I imagine this kind of information isn't passed down the pipe anyway, which would be a shame (the computer I have used for GPL was never potent enough to display smoke in online races, so I really don't know what it does). I guess I've just found a little experiment to do tonight... does GPL properly display the smoke from your (online) competitors' tires? Stephen

> Why should I have to turn off an essential element to racing simulationsuch > as smoke to have a acceptable framerate? Don't bother then, it's up to you! However, I think you'll find that turning down detail like smoke is pretty normal to get any sim (GPL, GP2, etc.) running acceptably to suit your system. Stating the obvious, but there is always a trade off with detail and frame rate - it is up to you how you deal with it. Iain

Quit honking... Mobil 1 Rally Championship, SBK2000, NFS:PU... and GPL still alive and kicking. We never had it so good. Jan. =--- Tomlani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How much longer must we wait for GP3 to come and save us from the bowelsof the > hell which all sim racers are in right now? F12k would be good if itdidn't > have such lousy frame rate and AI. How come every car locks up theirbrakes on > every corner even during the formation lap? My guess is that EA is veryproud > of their smoke effects!! :)

It seems to be the way new releases are going these days, lots of eye candy and graphics hogs, then let the systems catch up to them. I don't see it as a problem with their game engine, just that they loaded the graphics up too much for most of today's processors. Bet you had to turn some GP3 options off to get it to run acceptable as well? I know I sure did. Still though, I do fault them for not supporting glide, I think they could have achieved better results . -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H5rL4.39934$[email hidden]... > > Why should I have to turn off an essential element to racing simulation such > as smoke to have a acceptable framerate? Does it mean that ISI has problem > with some effects of their game engine? Will they patch it? > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It seems to be the way new releases are going these days, lots of eye candy >and graphics hogs, then let the systems catch up to them. I guess you haven't played SBK 2000, Let's be honest folks - ISI doesn't have a vey good graphics engine. Period. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

Well, with AI races I wouldn't really care, but online it might be a useful clue about where the guy ahead of you is consistently overdriving the car. But I imagine this kind of information isn't passed down the pipe anyway, which would be a shame (the computer I have used for GPL was never potent enough to display smoke in online races, so I really don't know what it does). I guess I've just found a little experiment to do tonight... does GPL properly display the smoke from your (online) competitors' tires? Stephen

"Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well, with AI races I wouldn't really care, but online it might be a useful >clue about where the guy ahead of you is consistently overdriving the car. >But I imagine this kind of information isn't passed down the pipe anyway, >which would be a shame (the computer I have used for GPL was never potent >enough to display smoke in online races, so I really don't know what it >does). I guess I've just found a little experiment to do tonight... does >GPL properly display the smoke from your (online) competitors' tires?

Yes, GPL does....better yet, it also models dirt, which comes in handy on Spa, so you can spray some of the dirt in the face of that Lotus driver behind you <g> Remco

"Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Beefy Eagle kicks sand in the face of Lotus 98lb weakling. Ha. Oh man... >then my friend really needs to upgrade his PC (I'm a notebook user) so I can >see this. So tell me, because I gather from your posts you are one of the >more experienced online racers, does the smoke give you valuable information >about when the guy ahead is overdriving his car, or do people mostly take >advantage of really large errors? Well, if a car in front hits the dirt, you can expect a spin. Also, someone who's locking all 4 wheels every corner has a great chance to miss a corner soon. (Except if his name is Allan Scott <g>). You can also see what kind of brakebias is used by the other drivers, if you watch them during qualify. People where the rearwheels lock first should be avoided, and people where the frontwheels lock very easy could be outbraked. The overdriving part is only used when you really know the driver who's locking wheels.... Remco

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:39:37 GMT Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote: % It seems to be the way new releases are going these days, lots of eye candy % and graphics hogs, then let the systems catch up to them. % I don't see it as a problem with their game engine, just that they loaded % the graphics up too much for most of today's processors. % Bet you had to turn some GP3 options off to get it to run acceptable as % well? I know I sure did. % Still though, I do fault them for not supporting glide, I think they could % have achieved better results . I can live with turning off eye-candy if there is enough meat in the rest of the package to make it worth it. Using Glide in NFS:PU doesn't seem to enhance the frame rate over Direct3D. I still feel that F12000 was released well before it was finished and one of the many things that weren't optimized was the graphics. A glide version of f12k won't be any better until they optimize their graphics engine. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

[email hidden] (Tomlani) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >How much longer must we wait for GP3 to come and save us from the bowels >of the hell which all sim racers are in right now? F12k would be good >if it didn't have such lousy frame rate and AI. How come every car >locks up their brakes on every corner even during the formation lap? My >guess is that EA is very proud of their smoke effects!! :) > If you turn the AI up to 100-120 then the locking up on every corner and clouds of billowing smoke go away to some degree.

>>Aren't you two overlooking the real problem (whether you have smokeenabled or not): The AI have smoking tyres for every corner even in formation lap, that doesn't happen in real does it? Or how about 4 cars crashing out in formation lap! Realistic? Nah! << Different sim to what I use then! Doesn't happen with me. >>It's damn hard to get your car out of balance/spinning if you go wide andvisit the grass/kerbs. << Again, you're running a different sim from me. Push the car near its limits (on or off track) and see what out of balance/spinning you get. Very realistic. Iain