Re: For those that love Warez. Dave's GPL Converter Full not Demo - I2n2gplConv

In article <8dpda8$4pi$[email hidden]>, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into >thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of >change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. >If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. >Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like >that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything. Its >like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often >mean hours or days of work for someone. >

So what happens for those of us that CAN'T make add-ons? If everyone followed your example, I'd have nothing to trade... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Who moderates this newsgroup? -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061 Bill Walsh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Enjoy > >

I do not think he ever actually got it uploaded Rikanthrax <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > DONT DNLD IT!!!!!! > theres a virus in it!!!! > Rik Anthrax > - > - > it's a GPL kinda day :)

Bill, Can you repost, mail or tell me where to get it, only parts r02 and r04 shown on my news server. TIA, -- Poopy Face the Turd [email hidden] "Suck & fuck & cook & clean, baby you know what I mean!"

Before I start, I'm not downloading this but something I kind wish to say abut the converter. Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I compliment him. However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter and made people pay. It wouldn't be the same. Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter. Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything. Its like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often mean hours or days of work for someone. I'm not into warez and I give full credit to Dave from what he's one but this isn't really sticking to the "code". It like: People might be willing to pay for this, lets try it! Not so much: Wow, I've done a good job here , everyone will be so pleased to get this. Again, well done Dave, but that just ain't good nettin' Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:chNL4.110459$[email hidden]...

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> Thiefs, pirates, cheaters. > Maybe this newsgroup should be changed to > rec.autos.simulators.binaries.warez huh? > Noonan put a lot of work into that program, if you want it pay for it. > What do you do when you go into a store for an item, steal it also? > > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > "Bill Walsh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Enjoy > > > > > >

I do not think he ever actually got it uploaded

GraDee wrote in message <8dpda8$4pi$[email hidden]>... <snip> It works in a knida circle. >If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. >Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like >that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything.Its >like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often >mean hours or days of work for someone. > <another snip> GraDee, I don't get what you're saying. If you have something you think is equal value to trade with Dave, why not take your offer to him? Otherwise, since it has a price attached to it, pay it. Or live without it. Or did I miss something here? Regards, Kurt

Oh come on, I'm sure allmost everybody who likes GPL would have been thrilled if Papy came up with a converter and would sell it for 15 Pound. Selling addons is nothing more than normal. look at all the addons made for games like Baldur's gate, Commandos, Red Alert... did you ever hear people compaining about having to pay money for these addons? Look at how much time Noonan put in his converter, and what a wonderfull converter it became. Now we can drive on Riverside, Seca, Indy... only for 15 Pounds. Posting a copy here in RAS in totally insane. I'd hang the guy who posted it by his balls if I'd get the chance. I downloaded the warez version of F1 2000, because there is no demo, and I want to know what I get if I buy something. Liked it and bought it. There is a converter demo out, so there is NO reason to download the full version for 'testing'. If you have any selfrespect, you download the demo from www.theuspits.com, try it, and if you like it, you B-U-Y the full version. Andre On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:14:28 +0100, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Before I start, I'm not downloading this but something I kind wish to say >abut the converter. > >Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I >compliment him. >However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter and made >people pay. >It wouldn't be the same. > >Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter. > >Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into >thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of >change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. >If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. >Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like >that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything. Its >like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often >mean hours or days of work for someone. > >I'm not into warez and I give full credit to Dave from what he's one but >this isn't really sticking to the "code". It like: People might be willing >to pay for this, lets try it! Not so much: Wow, I've done a good job here , >everyone will be so pleased to get this. > >Again, well done Dave, but that just ain't good nettin' > > > >Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:chNL4.110459$[email hidden]... >> Thiefs, pirates, cheaters. >> Maybe this newsgroup should be changed to >> rec.autos.simulators.binaries.warez huh? >> Noonan put a lot of work into that program, if you want it pay for it. >> What do you do when you go into a store for an item, steal it also? >> >> >> -- >> Don Burnette >> Dburn in N3 and Legends >> >> >> "Bill Walsh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Enjoy >> > >> > >> >> > >

Papyrus have given us track packs & car paint kits for ICR & Nascar - which we paid for. I have nothing against this - if the product can come out earlier with a selection of tracks and then a track pack added with any patches to the first then I will happily buy it. Its also makes the patches more accessible to those outside the 'net communities. Microprose even put together a selection of GP" "community" utils for sale. Again to hit the more average GP2 fan (who wouldn't be aware of the downloads) Paying for N2 is like paying again for the work in N1 that has got carried through to N2. I am all for the evolutionary approach to our sims from the makers - but it has to be paid for. Sadly Papyrus appear to have abandoned GPL. If Papyrus produced a "Season Pack" or three for GPL - I am sure plenty here would buy them. Without Dave I don't believe the converter would have ever happened. I believe Dave took the view that he could only devote the massive amount of time it has taken if there was some form of "compensation". It does make it hard for the rest of the GPL community volunteering their time, but this project was perhaps beyond the volunteer approach. Hence it could be regarded as a special case. Cheers Tony "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8dpda8$4pi$[email hidden]... > Before I start, I'm not downloading this but something I kind wish to say > abut the converter. > > Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I > compliment him. > However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter andmade

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> people pay. > It wouldn't be the same. > > Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter. > > Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into > thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of > change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. > If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for

free. > Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren'tlike > that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything.Its > like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download canoften > mean hours or days of work for someone. > > I'm not into warez and I give full credit to Dave from what he's one but > this isn't really sticking to the "code". It like: People might be willing > to pay for this, lets try it! Not so much: Wow, I've done a good job here,

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> everyone will be so pleased to get this. > > Again, well done Dave, but that just ain't good nettin' > > > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:chNL4.110459$[email hidden]... > > Thiefs, pirates, cheaters. > > Maybe this newsgroup should be changed to > > rec.autos.simulators.binaries.warez huh? > > Noonan put a lot of work into that program, if you want it pay for it. > > What do you do when you go into a store for an item, steal it also? > > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > > > > "Bill Walsh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > >

There comes a point in time when the hours of effort put into something need to be rewarded. I personally have not ordered the converter yet, but I dang sure wouldn't consider downloading it from a Warez site. I think that's total bs, and anyone that does is nothing more than a common thief. If i want a program that is for sell, I buy it. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8dpda8$4pi$[email hidden]... > Before I start, I'm not downloading this but something I kind wish to say > abut the converter. > > Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I > compliment him. > However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter and made > people pay. > It wouldn't be the same. > > Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter. > > Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into > thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of > change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. > If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. > Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like > that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything. Its > like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often > mean hours or days of work for someone. > > I'm not into warez and I give full credit to Dave from what he's one but > this isn't really sticking to the "code". It like: People might be willing > to pay for this, lets try it! Not so much: Wow, I've done a good job here , > everyone will be so pleased to get this. > > Again, well done Dave, but that just ain't good nettin' > > > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:chNL4.110459$[email hidden]... > > Thiefs, pirates, cheaters. > > Maybe this newsgroup should be changed to > > rec.autos.simulators.binaries.warez huh? > > Noonan put a lot of work into that program, if you want it pay for it. > > What do you do when you go into a store for an item, steal it also? > > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > > > > "Bill Walsh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > >

I see all your points. To Eldred though, surely, in the life of anyone who has a keen interest in sim racing. Has shared a setup or added some tobacco logo's or something. Just simple things, then there are those who do more complex things. I can't see what you mean by you having nothing if you followed my example. My example is that we have a "community". We share, we give , we take. Like I said so many times, I'm not gonna take the warez version of this converter, I don't condone this! However, Dave Noonan is perfectly entitled to everything his asks for in return for his great product. Its just taking it out of the circle. Any of the examples you guys have given are of production companies, ver often taking what is already on the internet for free and giving it to those without the net. Things like Paintshop for ICR2 couldn't be counted IMO, not in this context, if the original game was �30. It was �30 *including* the paintshop. It didn't turn out to be �45! If Papy were to do this people would be outraged, such as that whole Daytona track thing. I know I'm fighting a loosing battle here so I won't insist I'm right, I'm not, its just an opinion of 1 sim racer. EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <8dpda8$4pi$[email hidden]>, "GraDee" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into > >thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of > >change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. > >If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for

free. > >Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren'tlike > >that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything.Its > >like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download canoften > >mean hours or days of work for someone. > > > > So what happens for those of us that CAN'T make add-ons? If everyonefollowed

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> your example, I'd have nothing to trade... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:14:28 +0100, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I >compliment him. >However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter and made >people pay. >It wouldn't be the same. > >Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter.

Papyrus and Microsoft pay salaries to their employees. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

I downloaded the warez version of F1 2000, because there is no demo, and I want to know what I get if I buy something. Liked it and bought it. There is a converter demo out, so there is NO reason to download the full version for 'testing'. If you have any selfrespect, you download the demo from www.theuspits.com, try it, and if you like it, you B-U-Y the full version. >>>>>>>>>.using warez is wrong, no matter what your excuse. Rik Anthrax - - it's a GPL kinda day :)

Nobody...it is a venue for freedom of speech but, as with all democracies, citizens such as this cretin slink in with those who have IQs higher than that of a carrot. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Colin Harris <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ODML4.1474$[email hidden]... > Who moderates this newsgroup? > > -- > > Colin Harris > ColinHarris in N3/NL > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm > ICQ 25485061 > > Bill Walsh <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Enjoy > > > > > >

Whilst I respect your absolute right to form, hold and even voice your opinion, I am sure that it is in the minority. If Mr. Noonan wants to charge for the supply of his converter to the RAS community, then that is perfectly acceptable to me. Why? Because AUS$30 per copy is a mere pittance in recompense for the time and effort that he has put into keeping GPL as fresh now as it was the day the demo was launched in early 1998. The best of British luck to him, I say. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8dpda8$4pi$[email hidden]... > Before I start, I'm not downloading this but something I kind wish to say > abut the converter. > > Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I > compliment him. > However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter and made > people pay. > It wouldn't be the same. > > Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter. > > Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into > thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of > change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. > If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. > Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like > that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything. Its > like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often > mean hours or days of work for someone. > > I'm not into warez and I give full credit to Dave from what he's one but > this isn't really sticking to the "code". It like: People might be willing > to pay for this, lets try it! Not so much: Wow, I've done a good job here , > everyone will be so pleased to get this. > > Again, well done Dave, but that just ain't good nettin' > > > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:chNL4.110459$[email hidden]... > > Thiefs, pirates, cheaters. > > Maybe this newsgroup should be changed to > > rec.autos.simulators.binaries.warez huh? > > Noonan put a lot of work into that program, if you want it pay for it. > > What do you do when you go into a store for an item, steal it also? > > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > > > > "Bill Walsh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > >

So you are saying that if Dave would not have put out a demo, it would have been ok for everyone to pirate it? *COUGH* BS *COUGH* Rikanthrax <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I downloaded the warez version of F1 2000, because there is no demo, > and I want to know what I get if I buy something. Liked it and bought > it. > There is a converter demo out, so there is NO reason to download the > full version for 'testing'. > > If you have any selfrespect, you download the demo from > www.theuspits.com, try it, and if you like it, you B-U-Y the full > version. > > >>>>>>>>>. > using warez is wrong, no matter what your excuse. > Rik Anthrax > - > - > it's a GPL kinda day :)

No. With the converter, everyone knows what it does. It convert tracks from other sims to GPL. You know what you get. F1 2000 is something completely different. How does it run on my system with 20 AI's? How are the physics? Those are things I want to find out for myself before I buy a product like this. Opinions about graphic quality and physics differ greatly, and I want to test it out myself. I only read positive posts about Rally Masters. I 'tested' it, and deleted it after one hour of testing, I absolutely don't like it. Saved 100 guilders by testing it myself instead of believing all the positive posts. Wait a moment, we had this discussion allready with the f1 2000 warez version... Andre On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:45:49 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>So you are saying that if Dave would not have put out a demo, it would have >been ok for everyone to pirate it? > >*COUGH* BS *COUGH* > > >Rikanthrax <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I downloaded the warez version of F1 2000, because there is no demo, >> and I want to know what I get if I buy something. Liked it and bought >> it. >> There is a converter demo out, so there is NO reason to download the >> full version for 'testing'. >> >> If you have any selfrespect, you download the demo from >> www.theuspits.com, try it, and if you like it, you B-U-Y the full >> version. >> >> >>>>>>>>>. >> using warez is wrong, no matter what your excuse. >> Rik Anthrax >> - >> - >> it's a GPL kinda day :) >

Online racing on VROC would be hell if everybody could create their own tracks!!!!!!!!!!

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>I have mixed feelings about this. > >I suppose if Dave has never in his life never used a piece of software >that he was not entitled to then he could now justifiably complain. If >not then not. The boot is simply on the other foot in that case and >you have to take as good as you gave. > >There is an enormous amount of camaraderie of support on the web for >people with our interests. 99.999% of it is absolutely free. It's >produced and provided free by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts. If we had >to pay someone every time we got advice, used a utility, down-loaded a >scenery or sound patch or whatever, it would be a sad sad day for >lovers of these sims and for those who enjoy the club friendship >atmosphere that is usually here. > >There have been many great utilities and patches over the years. 100s >I would guess. Of all these only a couple have required payment that I >can remember. ( And I paid for them as at the time I thought they were >worth it. Both involved new tracks for the sims I liked as it happens >). > >In a scene where most are helping everyone else for free, out of a >feeling of common good and friendship, what happens when someone up >and wants to be paid for their particular contribution ? Is this a bit >like a boy scout who suddenly says " hey why should I help people for >nothing when they might pay for this ? " > >I have to say that it doesn't sit entirely well with me. I have spent >many hours over the years doing small things that others have used to >help with their sim racing. There is never any intention of asking for >payment. Lots of other have done much more than me and never asked for >a brass razoo. > >The situation here is that DN is probably the only person who has the >expertise to do what he does. And when there is a monopoly all issues >of fairness get thrown out the window. You either pay the price or do >without as there's nowhere else to go. > >In GP2 this same situation happened. The first people to figure out >how to make new tracks sold them. But then as others found out how to >do it too there were many more tracks available for free than you >could ever ask for. > >The difference here is that no one seems to be sharing information on >how to create GPL tracks. This in itself is a bit selfish imo. > >Remember how in GP2 everyone helped everyone else until there were >dozens of people who could make very good tracks. And the sim racing >world was all the better for it. If DN shared his information, rather >than keep it secret as he seems to do, then we might have any number >of great tracks to race on by now instead of what merge offerings come >up from time to time from his exclusive pen. And having thus made no >effort to help others make tracks he then charges people for his, as >the only viable source for same. > >OK some are saying that this is great. And in a way it is. But it >certainly doesn't make me feel all gooey inside with admiration for >DN. He is a selfish capitalist, like many others are. OK so that's his >right in the world we live in and good luck to him. But don't ask me >to consider him as some kind a philanthropistic god or hero that is >beyond reproach as many here seem to feel he should be regarded. > >Instead of licking the ground DN walks on, think of all the other >great tracks we might already have by now if DN choose to share his >info, as many others have done without any fee involved, instead of >hogging it for himself. We may have Le Mans, Bathurst, etc etc, and >all for free. > >I feel a greater sense of gratitude to all the many others who have >also put in many hours of work for their efforts. But in their cases >they have shared their information around and not asked a cent for >their results. More power to them I say. > >For your information, I have bought and paid for the real converter >from My Noonan. That's the deal and I accept it. > >Cheers > >Phillip McNelley

I have mixed feelings about this. I suppose if Dave has never in his life never used a piece of software that he was not entitled to then he could now justifiably complain. If not then not. The boot is simply on the other foot in that case and you have to take as good as you gave. There is an enormous amount of camaraderie of support on the web for people with our interests. 99.999% of it is absolutely free. It's produced and provided free by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts. If we had to pay someone every time we got advice, used a utility, down-loaded a scenery or sound patch or whatever, it would be a sad sad day for lovers of these sims and for those who enjoy the club friendship atmosphere that is usually here. There have been many great utilities and patches over the years. 100s I would guess. Of all these only a couple have required payment that I can remember. ( And I paid for them as at the time I thought they were worth it. Both involved new tracks for the sims I liked as it happens ). In a scene where most are helping everyone else for free, out of a feeling of common good and friendship, what happens when someone up and wants to be paid for their particular contribution ? Is this a bit like a boy scout who suddenly says " hey why should I help people for nothing when they might pay for this ? " I have to say that it doesn't sit entirely well with me. I have spent many hours over the years doing small things that others have used to help with their sim racing. There is never any intention of asking for payment. Lots of other have done much more than me and never asked for a brass razoo. The situation here is that DN is probably the only person who has the expertise to do what he does. And when there is a monopoly all issues of fairness get thrown out the window. You either pay the price or do without as there's nowhere else to go. In GP2 this same situation happened. The first people to figure out how to make new tracks sold them. But then as others found out how to do it too there were many more tracks available for free than you could ever ask for. The difference here is that no one seems to be sharing information on how to create GPL tracks. This in itself is a bit selfish imo. Remember how in GP2 everyone helped everyone else until there were dozens of people who could make very good tracks. And the sim racing world was all the better for it. If DN shared his information, rather than keep it secret as he seems to do, then we might have any number of great tracks to race on by now instead of what merge offerings come up from time to time from his exclusive pen. And having thus made no effort to help others make tracks he then charges people for his, as the only viable source for same. OK some are saying that this is great. And in a way it is. But it certainly doesn't make me feel all gooey inside with admiration for DN. He is a selfish capitalist, like many others are. OK so that's his right in the world we live in and good luck to him. But don't ask me to consider him as some kind a philanthropistic god or hero that is beyond reproach as many here seem to feel he should be regarded. Instead of licking the ground DN walks on, think of all the other great tracks we might already have by now if DN choose to share his info, as many others have done without any fee involved, instead of hogging it for himself. We may have Le Mans, Bathurst, etc etc, and all for free. I feel a greater sense of gratitude to all the many others who have also put in many hours of work for their efforts. But in their cases they have shared their information around and not asked a cent for their results. More power to them I say. For your information, I have bought and paid for the real converter from My Noonan. That's the deal and I accept it. Cheers Phillip McNelley

> It seems that GPL tracks take a long time to make. Much longer than > GP2 tracks did. It seems beyond the capability of just a couple of > groups to do much more than produce 1 track in 6 months if we are > lucky. This being the apparent case it'd be nice if more could be > working on these projects. If you want to make a really good track in GP2, it may take well over 6 months. That's at least what it took me to do everything satisfactory. The fact that it takes an individual such a long time is masked by the fact that many people may release tracks in the meantime. As GP2's trackeditor was an open development, many more people could make tracks. Then again, the tracks are more complex in GPL. We'll see ;-)

If the server couldn't be sure that everyone was using the same version of the same track then I have to agree with you. If the situation is .... share the track making info around and have lots of the word's great tracks to race on, build by many idividuals, but loose racing integritity ... or ... have relatively few tracks built by only 1 or 2 grouips but maintain racing integrity ... then I have to agree that racing integritity is parramount. This doesn't stop me from wishing there was a way we could have more of the world's great tracks, build by many track makers, AND maintain racing integrity though, AND that these tracks were available to everyone for free. It seems that GPL tracks take a long time to make. Much longer than GP2 tracks did. It seems beyond the capability of just a couple of groups to do much more than produce 1 track in 6 months if we are lucky. This being the apparent case it'd be nice if more could be working on these projects. Wouldn't it be great to race GPL cars on the modern Suzuka track, Bathurst, to name jsut a couple ? Cheers Phillip McN >Online racing on VROC would be hell if everybody could create their own >tracks!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I wasn't replying to Mark Stahl I was replying to Toby Rikard > who wrote: > > Microprose even put together a selection of GP" "community" Aha! I see, said the blind man! Please accept my apologies for jumping in and spouting off. Sincerely... Pops...

There is a lot of rationalization going on here. The issue is not "good netting" or what ever Microprose or some one else might put out for free. If some one offers something you would like for money, it's your choice to buy it or not. If you get it without buying it, you are stealing it and are a thief. All the rationalizing in the world will not change that. Whether the product is worth the charge or whether something like it can be legally obtained for free is for you to add to the mix in making the decision whether to buy it. No one owes it to you. In this case, Dave Noonan's converter is worth more that he charges for it; it has opened up GPL to an extent that few of us even imagined. Any one who downloads a pirated version is a thief, and trying to make excuses for doing so does not say good things for their character. Just my $0.02. Bill Yowell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well said Bill!!! Rik Anthrax - - it's a GPL kinda day :)

Hey Chris... Mark Stahl wrote... "Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter" MicroSOFT...not MicroPROSE! Pops... Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What utilitys did Microprose put out after GP2.

GraDee- i kind of see what you're saying here, but as someone who only did a small amount of programming in a former life and has essentially no chance of paying dave back with a utility of my own, i was actually kind of glad in a strange way to be able to pay Mr. Noonan for his hard work, and encourage him to do more of the same. this is saying alot coming from a cheap-ass student like myself :) BTW, my news server does not have any actual files in this thread. hopefully they were cancelled. shame on whoever posted them, if indeed they were posted. >>Before I start, I'm not downloading this but something I kind wish to sayabut the converter. Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I compliment him. However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter and made people pay. It wouldn't be the same. Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter. Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything. Its like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often mean hours or days of work for someone. I'm not into warez and I give full credit to Dave from what he's one but this isn't really sticking to the "code". It like: People might be willing to pay for this, lets try it! Not so much: Wow, I've done a good job here , everyone will be so pleased to get this. Again, well done Dave, but that just ain't good nettin'

What utilitys did Microprose put out after GP2. As far as I remember they didn't release one byte of software for GP2 after it had been released. I know there was a third party release of stuff gathered from the internet called "Grand Prix Magic". This just had carsets and helmets and stuff. There was also the first "new" tracks which was a seperate release from IA or something? Neither of these had anything to do with Microprose though. Chris In article <QkXL4.2585$[email hidden]>, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Microprose even put together a selection of GP" "community"utils for sale. >Again to hit the more average GP2 fan (who wouldn't be aware ofthe >downloads) * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Hey Chris... "Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter" MicroSOFT...not MicroPROSE! Pops...

There is a lot of rationalization going on here. The issue is not "good netting" or what ever Microprose or some one else might put out for free. If some one offers something you would like for money, it's your choice to buy it or not. If you get it without buying it, you are stealing it and are a thief. All the rationalizing in the world will not change that. Whether the product is worth the charge or whether something like it can be legally obtained for free is for you to add to the mix in making the decision whether to buy it. No one owes it to you. In this case, Dave Noonan's converter is worth more that he charges for it; it has opened up GPL to an extent that few of us even imagined. Any one who downloads a pirated version is a thief, and trying to make excuses for doing so does not say good things for their character. Just my $0.02. Bill Yowell Mark Stahl wrote:

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> GraDee- > > i kind of see what you're saying here, but as someone who only did a small > amount of programming in a former life and has essentially no chance of > paying dave back with a utility of my own, i was actually kind of glad in a > strange way to be able to pay Mr. Noonan for his hard work, and encourage > him to do more of the same. this is saying alot coming from a cheap-ass > student like myself :) > > BTW, my news server does not have any actual files in this thread. hopefully > they were cancelled. shame on whoever posted them, if indeed they were > posted. > > >>Before I start, I'm not downloading this but something I kind wish to say > abut the converter. > > Full credit to Dave for putting in so much hard woks and effort. I > compliment him. > However, I would love to know the reaction if Papy made a converter and made > people pay. > It wouldn't be the same. > > Hell even Microsoft give away a free converter. > > Maybe I'm wrong again here but people everywhere put alot of work into > thousands if not millions of adons and stuff and give the but free of > change, no questions asked. It works in a knida circle. > If I give this guy my addon for free, he'll let me have his addon for free. > Thats how the net works. We pay for addons with our own. If it weren't like > that nobody would have anything and nobody would bother to pay anything. Its > like the "code" of internet gaming. Even the smallest of download can often > mean hours or days of work for someone. > > I'm not into warez and I give full credit to Dave from what he's one but > this isn't really sticking to the "code". It like: People might be willing > to pay for this, lets try it! Not so much: Wow, I've done a good job here , > everyone will be so pleased to get this. > > Again, well done Dave, but that just ain't good nettin'

I wasn't replying to Mark Stahl I was replying to Toby Rikard who wrote: Microprose even put together a selection of GP" "community" utils for sale. Again to hit the more average GP2 fan (who wouldn't be aware of the downloads) Maybe my message got in the wrong part of the thread:0 Chris In article <[email hidden]>, "Pops" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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