GPL: Is Silverstone too easy??

Hmm on my second ever race at Silverstone I managed to put my Lotus on the front row with a mid 91sec. I haven't come close to this in any other circuit. Since then I have run a mid 90 second. Is Silverstone an easy circuit?

That's strange. I got pole position at Silverstone on my first attempt too. Can't even get close on the other tracks. ...Colin "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast > >><[email hidden]> writes: > >> > >>>Hmm on my second ever race at Silverstone I managed to put my Lotus on > >>>the front row with a mid 91sec. I haven't come close to this in any > >>>other circuit. Since then I have run a mid 90 second. > >>> > >>>Is Silverstone an easy circuit? > >> > >>Second race?!? How many practice laps have you done? I'd say you're

pretty > >>good. However, I haven't qualified on pole yet, and I've had the gameover

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> >a > >>year... > > > > > >I've been playing sims for 11 years or so. Staring with Indy 500 - > >The Simulation (very addictive back then... if I had a dime for > >everytime I tried to start dead last and get to 10th by the end of lap > >one..i'd be rich) > > > >It just takes a lot of practice I guess. Plus I like Silverstone. I > >liked it in GP2. > > I've been playing for longer than you...Accolade Grand Prix was a year

earlier > than I500, I think. I *still* don't think Silverstone is easy. I don'tseem > to have enough brake markers, so I leep turning in late... Pole position?In

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> my dreams... :) > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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>Is Silverstone an easy circuit? I think Silverstone is just about the "easiest" circuit in the game to beat the AI because of the nature of some of the turns. The quick left-hand flicks lead on to straights and you can get through those much quicker than AI cars seem to be able to, and so gain a lot of time. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

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>>Is Silverstone an easy circuit? > >I think Silverstone is just about the "easiest" circuit in the game to >beat the AI because of the nature of some of the turns. >The quick left-hand flicks lead on to straights and you can get through >those much quicker than AI cars seem to be able to, and so gain a lot of >time. > >-- >Cheers! >Graeme Nash >

Says YOU!<g> The lack of discernable brake markers usually has me missing those 'quick left hand flicks', and ending up on the grass on the exit. I just can't see the track well enough. The only way for me to consistently make the corner is to go too slow to make up any time... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast >><[email hidden]> writes: >> >>>Hmm on my second ever race at Silverstone I managed to put my Lotus on >>>the front row with a mid 91sec. I haven't come close to this in any >>>other circuit. Since then I have run a mid 90 second. >>> >>>Is Silverstone an easy circuit? >> >>Second race?!? How many practice laps have you done? I'd say you're pretty >>good. However, I haven't qualified on pole yet, and I've had the game over >a >>year... > > >I've been playing sims for 11 years or so. Staring with Indy 500 - >The Simulation (very addictive back then... if I had a dime for >everytime I tried to start dead last and get to 10th by the end of lap >one..i'd be rich) > >It just takes a lot of practice I guess. Plus I like Silverstone. I >liked it in GP2.

I've been playing for longer than you...Accolade Grand Prix was a year earlier than I500, I think. I *still* don't think Silverstone is easy. I don't seem to have enough brake markers, so I leep turning in late... Pole position? In my dreams... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> writes: >Hmm on my second ever race at Silverstone I managed to put my Lotus on >the front row with a mid 91sec. I haven't come close to this in any >other circuit. Since then I have run a mid 90 second. > >Is Silverstone an easy circuit? Second race?!? How many practice laps have you done? I'd say you're pretty good. However, I haven't qualified on pole yet, and I've had the game over a year... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 22 Apr 2000 01:23:20 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Hmm on my second ever race at Silverstone I managed to put my Lotus on >>the front row with a mid 91sec. I haven't come close to this in any >>other circuit. Since then I have run a mid 90 second. >> >>Is Silverstone an easy circuit? > >Second race?!? How many practice laps have you done? I'd say you're pretty >good. However, I haven't qualified on pole yet, and I've had the game over a >year...

I've been playing sims for 11 years or so. Staring with Indy 500 - The Simulation (very addictive back then... if I had a dime for everytime I tried to start dead last and get to 10th by the end of lap one..i'd be rich) It just takes a lot of practice I guess. Plus I like Silverstone. I liked it in GP2.

Bwahahahaha!! Sorry... Silverstone drives me nuts!!! I don't know if it's the lack of a rich field of trackside objects (like Monza or Watkins Glen) or the lack of elevation changes, but I am ALWAYS turning in too late! My principle skill developed at Silverstone is to be able to drive most of the length of the Hangar and Farm straights in the grass without spinning as I normally go off the outside of the corners that enter them. No, I don't feel Silverstone is particularly easy... Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

I don';t think its unrealistic from my experiences but back in the '60's the track was much more "simplified" to drive so not too many challenging corners. Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hmm on my second ever race at Silverstone I managed to put my Lotus on > the front row with a mid 91sec. I haven't come close to this in any > other circuit. Since then I have run a mid 90 second. > > Is Silverstone an easy circuit?

>Hmm on my second ever race at Silverstone I managed to put my Lotus on >the front row with a mid 91sec. I haven't come close to this in any >other circuit. Since then I have run a mid 90 second. >Is Silverstone an easy circuit? Second race?!? How many practice laps have you done? I'd say you're pretty good. However, I haven't qualified on pole yet, and I've had the game over a year... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I for one would sure appreciate it if one of our resident graphics wizards would come up with a brake marker patch for Silverstone. [email hidden] (Brett C. Cammack) wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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>Bwahahahaha!! > >Sorry... Silverstone drives me nuts!!! I don't know if it's the lack >of a rich field of trackside objects (like Monza or Watkins Glen) or >the lack of elevation changes, but I am ALWAYS turning in too late! >My principle skill developed at Silverstone is to be able to drive >most of the length of the Hangar and Farm straights in the grass >without spinning as I normally go off the outside of the corners that >enter them. > >No, I don't feel Silverstone is particularly easy... > >Regards, >Brett C. Cammack >That's Racing! Motorsports >Pompano Beach, FL > >

-- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

On 22 Apr 2000 20:30:22 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Graeme Nash ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>>Is Silverstone an easy circuit? >> >>I think Silverstone is just about the "easiest" circuit in the game to >>beat the AI because of the nature of some of the turns. >>The quick left-hand flicks lead on to straights and you can get through >>those much quicker than AI cars seem to be able to, and so gain a lot of >>time. >> >>-- >>Cheers! >>Graeme Nash >> > >Says YOU!<g> >The lack of discernable brake markers usually has me missing those 'quick left >hand flicks', and ending up on the grass on the exit. I just can't see the >track well enough. The only way for me to consistently make the corner is to >go too slow to make up any time...

Typically go back the black markings on the pavement. There are a several times at Silverstone when these black markings won't help you. With Club (T6R) you'll have to get on the brakes as soon as the large signs on the left disappear from sight. Abbey is a weird turn... there is a tendancy to go too fast here. But I think going down to third gear and taking it easy is the best approach... a good exit is better than ending up in the haybale. You should be overly aggresive at Maggots (T2L). You can overcook the turn but it's easy to recover. I usually just tap the brakes and a slight jerk of the wheel left.

Me too, Silverstone is very difficult for me. Abbey especially, I never know exactly where to turn in. When I get it right, it is very satisfying, but its by luck more than anything else. -Tony- Brett C. Cammack wrote:

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> > Bwahahahaha!! > > Sorry... Silverstone drives me nuts!!! I don't know if it's the lack > of a rich field of trackside objects (like Monza or Watkins Glen) or > the lack of elevation changes, but I am ALWAYS turning in too late! > My principle skill developed at Silverstone is to be able to drive > most of the length of the Hangar and Farm straights in the grass > without spinning as I normally go off the outside of the corners that > enter them. > > No, I don't feel Silverstone is particularly easy... > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL

On 22 Apr 2000 20:30:31 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>>It just takes a lot of practice I guess. Plus I like Silverstone. I >>liked it in GP2. > >I've been playing for longer than you...Accolade Grand Prix was a year earlier >than I500, I think. I *still* don't think Silverstone is easy. I don't seem >to have enough brake markers, so I leep turning in late... Pole position? In >my dreams... :)

Yeah I played Accolade Grand Prix as well. I remember being overly excited about running a 53 at Monaco. Download a few replays of Silverstone and you'll run a low 90 in no time.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:29 -0400, "Colin" <[email hidden]> wrote: >That's strange. >I got pole position at Silverstone on my first attempt too. >Can't even get close on the other tracks. I didn't get pole position on my first attempt there. Was on the front row. It took me 4 attempts to get the pole :)

In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>That's strange. >>I got pole position at Silverstone on my first attempt too. >>Can't even get close on the other tracks. > >I didn't get pole position on my first attempt there. Was on the >front row. > >It took me 4 attempts to get the pole :) >

I hate BOTH you guys... :) -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8dtaf5$ith$[email hidden]>, "Colin" <[email hidden]> writes: >That's strange. >I got pole position at Silverstone on my first attempt too. >Can't even get close on the other tracks. >...Colin Aw, fer cryin' out loud... I'm lucky to get in the top 10 on the grid. Ok, fine - I'm just a lousy driver. :-) Eldred - who's tempted to try Silverstone again... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>Says YOU!<g> >>The lack of discernable brake markers usually has me missing those 'quick >left >>hand flicks', and ending up on the grass on the exit. I just can't see the >>track well enough. The only way for me to consistently make the corner is >to >>go too slow to make up any time... > >Typically go back the black markings on the pavement. There are a >several times at Silverstone when these black markings won't help you. >With Club (T6R) you'll have to get on the brakes as soon as the large >signs on the left disappear from sight. Abbey is a weird turn... >there is a tendancy to go too fast here. But I think going down to >third gear and taking it easy is the best approach... a good exit is >better than ending up in the haybale. > >You should be overly aggresive at Maggots (T2L). You can overcook the >turn but it's easy to recover. I usually just tap the brakes and a >slight jerk of the wheel left.

Part of my problem (which I didn't state very clearly) is that I can't see the edges of the track that well. I can see the darker groove, but the track itself seems to 'blend in' with the surrounding grass/dirt. As a result, I can't always tell where the turn-in/apex/etc. is. It's more pronounced at Silverstone and Spa, but it also occurs in a couple other tracks. I'm not sure why that is, although another thread suggested it may be in my monitor. I'm using a 15" monitor in 640x480 resolution. If I had a 19"+ Panasonic or Viewsonic, I might be able to see the turns better. Unfortunately, I can't afford a new monitor right now...<sigh> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

A search of EBay just now shows *8* 17" ViewSonic 17 inchers less than $80. May be cheaper than glasses! <g> Love my 17" ViewSonic. >>>>>>.Lookin at you thru my 17" ViewSonic right now. Its been great. Best monitor I've ever owned. Rik Anthrax - - it's a GPL kinda day :)

EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Speedy Fast > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>Says YOU!<g> > >>The lack of discernable brake markers usually has me missing those 'quick > >left > >>hand flicks', and ending up on the grass on the exit. I just can't see the > >>track well enough. The only way for me to consistently make the corner is > >to > >>go too slow to make up any time... > > > >Typically go back the black markings on the pavement. There are a > >several times at Silverstone when these black markings won't help you. > >With Club (T6R) you'll have to get on the brakes as soon as the large > >signs on the left disappear from sight. Abbey is a weird turn... > >there is a tendancy to go too fast here. But I think going down to > >third gear and taking it easy is the best approach... a good exit is > >better than ending up in the haybale. > > > >You should be overly aggresive at Maggots (T2L). You can overcook the > >turn but it's easy to recover. I usually just tap the brakes and a > >slight jerk of the wheel left. > > Part of my problem (which I didn't state very clearly) is that I can't see the > edges of the track that well. I can see the darker groove, but the track > itself seems to 'blend in' with the surrounding grass/dirt. As a result, I > can't always tell where the turn-in/apex/etc. is. It's more pronounced at > Silverstone and Spa, but it also occurs in a couple other tracks. I'm not sure > why that is, although another thread suggested it may be in my monitor. I'm > using a 15" monitor in 640x480 resolution. If I had a 19"+ Panasonic or > Viewsonic, I might be able to see the turns better. Unfortunately, I can't > afford a new monitor right now...<sigh>

A search of EBay just now shows *8* 17" ViewSonic 17 inchers less than $80. May be cheaper than glasses! <g> Love my 17" ViewSonic. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

I have the exact same problem! In 2 years on this I've never broken 1'30". It's Abbey that does it for me every time! Oh well... Iain Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Me too, > Silverstone is very difficult for me. Abbey especially, I never know > exactly where to turn in. When I get it right, it is very satisfying, > but its by luck more than anything else. > > -Tony- > > Brett C. Cammack wrote: > > > > Bwahahahaha!! > > > > Sorry... Silverstone drives me nuts!!! I don't know if it's the lack > > of a rich field of trackside objects (like Monza or Watkins Glen) or > > the lack of elevation changes, but I am ALWAYS turning in too late! > > My principle skill developed at Silverstone is to be able to drive > > most of the length of the Hangar and Farm straights in the grass > > without spinning as I normally go off the outside of the corners that > > enter them. > > > > No, I don't feel Silverstone is particularly easy... > > > > Regards, > > Brett C. Cammack > > That's Racing! Motorsports > > Pompano Beach, FL

In article <[email hidden]>, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Part of my problem (which I didn't state very clearly) is that I can't see the >edges of the track that well. I can see the darker groove, but the track >itself seems to 'blend in' with the surrounding grass/dirt. As a result, I >can't always tell where the turn-in/apex/etc. is. It's more pronounced at >Silverstone and Spa, but it also occurs in a couple other tracks. I'm not sure >why that is, although another thread suggested it may be in my monitor. I'm >using a 15" monitor in 640x480 resolution. If I had a 19"+ Panasonic or >Viewsonic, I might be able to see the turns better. Unfortunately, I can't >afford a new monitor right now...<sigh>

If you're using a voodoo card, this might be of help. A couple of months ago I made a modified version of GPL's glide rasterizer to remove mip-mapping. For me this has made it easier to see details further away, especially at low resolutions (I usually use 640x480 myself). On the downside, this will increase flickering. Try it to see which one suits you best. It won't even overwrite any files, it just adds another rastersizer to choose from. You can get it from http://www.kolumbus.fi/samuli.takala/ It's in the Files/Links-section. Samppa -- Samuli Takala [email hidden] Finnish N�rburgring League http://www.kolumbus.fi/samuli.takala/

In article <8e2c7e$kde$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Samuli Takala) writes:

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>If you're using a voodoo card, this might be of help. A couple of >months ago I made a modified version of GPL's glide rasterizer to >remove mip-mapping. For me this has made it easier to see details >further away, especially at low resolutions (I usually use 640x480 >myself). On the downside, this will increase flickering. Try it to see >which one suits you best. It won't even overwrite any files, it just >adds another rastersizer to choose from. > >You can get it from http://www.kolumbus.fi/samuli.takala/ >It's in the Files/Links-section. >

Thanks - I'll try it. I just have to figure out how to use it...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.