Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo Steering Wheel Review

Hi, If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-review Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex Cheers, Tim.

Hi, If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-review Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex Cheers, Tim.

Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: > http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-review > > Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: > http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex > > Cheers, > > Tim. >

Why not post your review here? -- The first big front wheel rollerblades. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/2565924423/ Google Groups is destroying the USENET archive.

> Why not post your review here? > > -- > The first big front wheel rollerblades.http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/2565924423/ > Google Groups is destroying the USENET archive. Same reason those rollerblade photos aren't here. The article wouldn't display as I want it to, images and all. :)

"Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: > http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-review > > Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: > http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex > > Cheers, > > Tim.

Interesting review but if i may make a suggestion, the price is one of the most important factors in hardware reviews. For example, the new Frex wheel is getting rave reviews but the 2000$ price tag has to be considered. I have found that the Logitech G25 hits the sweet spot for the price/quality ratio. It's also very moddable for those who like customizing their equipement.

On Sep 6, 10:13 am, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hi, > > > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: > >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel... > > > Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: > >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex > > > Cheers, > > > Tim. > > Interesting review but if i may make a suggestion, the price is one of the > most important factors in hardware reviews. For example, the new Frex wheel > is getting rave reviews but the 2000$ price tag has to be considered. I have > found that the Logitech G25 hits the sweet spot for the price/quality ratio. > It's also very moddable for those who like customizing their equipement.

Thanks Bob. I didn't really consider pricing because I didn't have to pay for it. I do think that it is well worth the money when compared to the G25 pricing. I added info on the price and said that I think it's worth the price now in the article... Just a mention though...

Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Hi, > > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: > http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-r > eview Looks like a nice wheel but you complained about the clamping system which is somehting I always consider seriously in wheels. Why hasn't anyone ever copied the clamping system from the old Microsoft FFB wheels? Did Microsoft patent that clamping system or something? It's easily the best clamping system for wheels ever devised. The Logitech still uses the clunky old two plastic screw system they have always used. With the Microsft wheel once you have set the gap there are no big plastic screws to turn, you just push the clamp up to make it clamp to your desk and it can clamp to any thickness of desk, only takes a few seconds to do it too. That's the main reason why I still use my Microsoft FFB wheel going on 7 years now and haven't bothered to buy a new wheel.

Tim, I'm wondering if you cant get (borrow) a g25 to review somehow. I'd really like to see how your reviews would take into account "compared," especially since you haven't had or tried the 25. I thought "UUUUGH, 300 bucks, no way!" Then I finally bought one (while in the ordering phase, praying I would NOT regret nor have wasted the 300 bucks {US}. I'm one of the guys that loved the MS Sidewinder ff wheels and never thought I would like any other.... I had used and tried everything from the Thrustmaster t2, through nascar pro2 and the 2 other Logitech wheels. well about a year ago, I got the 25 because I got new PC... (sidewinder with XP sp2 or greater is tricky to get installed correctly)... I think and soapbox obviously, it was good, and pleasant decision. IMHO generally: if you haven't tried the g25 ya just don't know what you are missing (even I didn't). Still, at least you, Tim, have tried a 900 degree wheel. I been told (and might concur) that since I haven't tried a Ecci I don't know what I am missing, but I know I cant/wouldn't spend the >$12 hundred either. "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On Sep 6, 10:13 am, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hi, > > > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: > >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel... > > > Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: > >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex > > > Cheers, > > > Tim. > > Interesting review but if i may make a suggestion, the price is one of the > most important factors in hardware reviews. For example, the new Frex > wheel > is getting rave reviews but the 2000$ price tag has to be considered. I > have > found that the Logitech G25 hits the sweet spot for the price/quality > ratio. > It's also very moddable for those who like customizing their equipement.

Thanks Bob. I didn't really consider pricing because I didn't have to pay for it. I do think that it is well worth the money when compared to the G25 pricing. I added info on the price and said that I think it's worth the price now in the article... Just a mention though...

I came from a Microsoft FFB wheel. I did like the clamp on that wheel a lot. However, I got the Fanantec wheel and the FFB is completely different than the Microsoft wheel. Not only was I able to feel the smack of the wall when I hit it (just like the Microsoft wheel) I was able to feel the little bumps on the road (something I never felt before). My only real complaint about the Porsche wheel is that first, there's no on/off switch. I need to unplug it so it doesn't light up the entire room. Second, the stitching on the leather may be perfect for the real Porsche 911, but on this wheel the parts of my fingers that rub up against the stitching near the wheel spokes can get pretty irritated after a while. I actually need to use driving gloves if I sim for a while. Is the Porsche wheel worth the money? Well, considering I played with the G25 at the store and realized I didn't like the shifting feel, yeah, I think it's worth it. However, I did like the Microsoft wheel but having an actual shifting lever for games like Nascar is really nice. "Flat Earth Society" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> Hi, >> >> If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: >> http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-r >> eview > > Looks like a nice wheel but you complained about the clamping system which > is somehting I always consider seriously in wheels. Why hasn't anyone ever > copied the clamping system from the old Microsoft FFB wheels? Did > Microsoft > patent that clamping system or something? It's easily the best clamping > system for wheels ever devised. The Logitech still uses the clunky old two > plastic screw system they have always used. With the Microsft wheel once > you have set the gap there are no big plastic screws to turn, you just > push > the clamp up to make it clamp to your desk and it can clamp to any > thickness of desk, only takes a few seconds to do it too. That's the main > reason why I still use my Microsoft FFB wheel going on 7 years now and > haven't bothered to buy a new wheel.

Forgot to add that the clamp system on the Fanatec system isn't as secure as the Microsoft model, but it's good enough. "Flat Earth Society" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> Hi, >> >> If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: >> http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-r >> eview > > Looks like a nice wheel but you complained about the clamping system which > is somehting I always consider seriously in wheels. Why hasn't anyone ever > copied the clamping system from the old Microsoft FFB wheels? Did > Microsoft > patent that clamping system or something? It's easily the best clamping > system for wheels ever devised. The Logitech still uses the clunky old two > plastic screw system they have always used. With the Microsft wheel once > you have set the gap there are no big plastic screws to turn, you just > push > the clamp up to make it clamp to your desk and it can clamp to any > thickness of desk, only takes a few seconds to do it too. That's the main > reason why I still use my Microsoft FFB wheel going on 7 years now and > haven't bothered to buy a new wheel.

The DFGT is also a reasonable choice at around $125. The pedals aren't as good as the G25, but the wheel is great and the shifter is serviceable. Frankly, the shifter on the G25 feels like it's made by Mattel to me. Very cheap and not very reliable. If you already have a pedal set you like, the DFGT is a great choice. IMHO, the FF is even better than the G25, particularly around-center as it does not have the dual-motor problems the G25 does. -Larry "PlowBoy," <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c7Bxk.9556$[email hidden]...

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> Tim, > > I'm wondering if you cant get (borrow) a g25 to review somehow. I'd > really like to see how your reviews would take into account "compared," > especially since you haven't had or tried the 25. I thought "UUUUGH, 300 > bucks, no way!" Then I finally bought one (while in the ordering phase, > praying I would NOT regret nor have wasted the 300 bucks {US}. > > I'm one of the guys that loved the MS Sidewinder ff wheels and never > thought I would like any other.... I had used and tried everything from > the Thrustmaster t2, through nascar pro2 and the 2 other Logitech wheels. > well about a year ago, I got the 25 because I got new PC... (sidewinder > with XP sp2 or greater is tricky to get installed correctly)... I think > and soapbox obviously, it was good, and pleasant decision. > > IMHO generally: if you haven't tried the g25 ya just don't know what you > are missing (even I didn't). Still, at least you, Tim, have tried a 900 > degree wheel. I been told (and might concur) that since I haven't tried a > Ecci I don't know what I am missing, but I know I cant/wouldn't spend the > >$12 hundred either. > > > > > "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > On Sep 6, 10:13 am, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:[email hidden]... >> >> > Hi, >> >> > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: >> >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel... >> >> > Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: >> >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Tim. >> >> Interesting review but if i may make a suggestion, the price is one of >> the >> most important factors in hardware reviews. For example, the new Frex >> wheel >> is getting rave reviews but the 2000$ price tag has to be considered. I >> have >> found that the Logitech G25 hits the sweet spot for the price/quality >> ratio. >> It's also very moddable for those who like customizing their equipement. > > Thanks Bob. I didn't really consider pricing because I didn't have to > pay for it. I do think that it is well worth the money when compared > to the G25 pricing. I added info on the price and said that I think > it's worth the price now in the article... Just a mention though... >

The MSFFW was a piece of art design wise. It's really a shame Microsoft abandoned it's SideWinder stuff. They had best-in-class for just about all the devices, yet they dumped them. Hell, they were even #1 rated. MS is a hard complany to figure out sometimes and I've never trusted them to do the right thing with hardware since. -Larry "huh?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g9Dxk.24686$[email hidden]...

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>I came from a Microsoft FFB wheel. I did like the clamp on that wheel a >lot. However, I got the Fanantec wheel and the FFB is completely different >than the Microsoft wheel. Not only was I able to feel the smack of the wall >when I hit it (just like the Microsoft wheel) I was able to feel the little >bumps on the road (something I never felt before). > > My only real complaint about the Porsche wheel is that first, there's no > on/off switch. I need to unplug it so it doesn't light up the entire room. > Second, the stitching on the leather may be perfect for the real Porsche > 911, but on this wheel the parts of my fingers that rub up against the > stitching near the wheel spokes can get pretty irritated after a while. I > actually need to use driving gloves if I sim for a while. > > Is the Porsche wheel worth the money? Well, considering I played with the > G25 at the store and realized I didn't like the shifting feel, yeah, I > think it's worth it. However, I did like the Microsoft wheel but having an > actual shifting lever for games like Nascar is really nice. > > > > "Flat Earth Society" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in >> news:[email hidden]: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: >>> http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-r >>> eview >> >> Looks like a nice wheel but you complained about the clamping system >> which >> is somehting I always consider seriously in wheels. Why hasn't anyone >> ever >> copied the clamping system from the old Microsoft FFB wheels? Did >> Microsoft >> patent that clamping system or something? It's easily the best clamping >> system for wheels ever devised. The Logitech still uses the clunky old >> two >> plastic screw system they have always used. With the Microsft wheel once >> you have set the gap there are no big plastic screws to turn, you just >> push >> the clamp up to make it clamp to your desk and it can clamp to any >> thickness of desk, only takes a few seconds to do it too. That's the main >> reason why I still use my Microsoft FFB wheel going on 7 years now and >> haven't bothered to buy a new wheel. > >

"PlowBoy," <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c7Bxk.9556$[email hidden]...

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> Tim, > > I'm wondering if you cant get (borrow) a g25 to review somehow. I'd > really like to see how your reviews would take into account "compared," > especially since you haven't had or tried the 25. I thought "UUUUGH, 300 > bucks, no way!" Then I finally bought one (while in the ordering phase, > praying I would NOT regret nor have wasted the 300 bucks {US}. > > I'm one of the guys that loved the MS Sidewinder ff wheels and never > thought I would like any other.... I had used and tried everything from > the Thrustmaster t2, through nascar pro2 and the 2 other Logitech wheels. > well about a year ago, I got the 25 because I got new PC... (sidewinder > with XP sp2 or greater is tricky to get installed correctly)... I think > and soapbox obviously, it was good, and pleasant decision. > > IMHO generally: if you haven't tried the g25 ya just don't know what you > are missing (even I didn't). Still, at least you, Tim, have tried a 900 > degree wheel. I been told (and might concur) that since I haven't tried a > Ecci I don't know what I am missing, but I know I cant/wouldn't spend the > >$12 hundred either. >

I have seen the G25 sold for about 200$ in Canada.

Larry, I don't seem to have this "dual motor" issue you guys banter on about. But I set my wheel settings exactly like everyone was setting the settings for the momo's... you know, centering spring ON but set to 0, (yes when car is moving the castor/camber forces will center the wheel) ff to 100% 2 other settings I would have to post from home, as I cant recall the names ATM, one seems like dampening is at 18% but I might have the wrong setting/term... Google MOMO for this newsgroup a couple years ago. set wheel like they did, or even follow the settings they suggest for the g25 at Iracing (can only see it if you're a member sorry) and then race any game, you will enjoy it. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IOPxk.3$[email hidden]...

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> The DFGT is also a reasonable choice at around $125. The pedals aren't as > good as the G25, but the wheel is great and the shifter is serviceable. > > Frankly, the shifter on the G25 feels like it's made by Mattel to me. > Very cheap and not very reliable. > > If you already have a pedal set you like, the DFGT is a great choice. > IMHO, the FF is even better than the G25, particularly around-center as it > does not have the dual-motor problems the G25 does. > > -Larry > > "PlowBoy," <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:c7Bxk.9556$[email hidden]... >> Tim, >> >> I'm wondering if you cant get (borrow) a g25 to review somehow. I'd >> really like to see how your reviews would take into account "compared," >> especially since you haven't had or tried the 25. I thought "UUUUGH, 300 >> bucks, no way!" Then I finally bought one (while in the ordering phase, >> praying I would NOT regret nor have wasted the 300 bucks {US}. >> >> I'm one of the guys that loved the MS Sidewinder ff wheels and never >> thought I would like any other.... I had used and tried everything from >> the Thrustmaster t2, through nascar pro2 and the 2 other Logitech wheels. >> well about a year ago, I got the 25 because I got new PC... (sidewinder >> with XP sp2 or greater is tricky to get installed correctly)... I think >> and soapbox obviously, it was good, and pleasant decision. >> >> IMHO generally: if you haven't tried the g25 ya just don't know what you >> are missing (even I didn't). Still, at least you, Tim, have tried a 900 >> degree wheel. I been told (and might concur) that since I haven't tried >> a Ecci I don't know what I am missing, but I know I cant/wouldn't spend >> the >> >$12 hundred either. >> >> >> >> >> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> On Sep 6, 10:13 am, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> >>> news:[email hidden]... >>> >>> > Hi, >>> >>> > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: >>> >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel... >>> >>> > Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: >>> >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex >>> >>> > Cheers, >>> >>> > Tim. >>> >>> Interesting review but if i may make a suggestion, the price is one of >>> the >>> most important factors in hardware reviews. For example, the new Frex >>> wheel >>> is getting rave reviews but the 2000$ price tag has to be considered. I >>> have >>> found that the Logitech G25 hits the sweet spot for the price/quality >>> ratio. >>> It's also very moddable for those who like customizing their equipement. >> >> Thanks Bob. I didn't really consider pricing because I didn't have to >> pay for it. I do think that it is well worth the money when compared >> to the G25 pricing. I added info on the price and said that I think >> it's worth the price now in the article... Just a mention though... >> >

Everyone does. It's part of the design. You can't NOT have it. Because of the dual motors, Logitech has to roll off the FF effects on-center. If they didn't, the two motors would sit there and fight with each other constantly. You have it. It just may not bother you as much as others. -Larry "PlowBoy," <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:62Txk.21166$[email hidden]...

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> Larry, > > I don't seem to have this "dual motor" issue you guys banter on about. > But I set my wheel settings exactly like everyone was setting the settings > for the momo's... > > you know, centering spring ON but set to 0, (yes when car is moving the > castor/camber forces will center the wheel) > ff to 100% > 2 other settings I would have to post from home, as I cant recall the > names ATM, one seems like dampening is at 18% but I might have the wrong > setting/term... > > Google MOMO for this newsgroup a couple years ago. set wheel like they > did, or even follow the settings they suggest for the g25 at Iracing (can > only see it if you're a member sorry) and then race any game, you will > enjoy it. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IOPxk.3$[email hidden]... >> The DFGT is also a reasonable choice at around $125. The pedals aren't >> as good as the G25, but the wheel is great and the shifter is >> serviceable. >> >> Frankly, the shifter on the G25 feels like it's made by Mattel to me. >> Very cheap and not very reliable. >> >> If you already have a pedal set you like, the DFGT is a great choice. >> IMHO, the FF is even better than the G25, particularly around-center as >> it does not have the dual-motor problems the G25 does. >> >> -Larry >> >> "PlowBoy," <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:c7Bxk.9556$[email hidden]... >>> Tim, >>> >>> I'm wondering if you cant get (borrow) a g25 to review somehow. I'd >>> really like to see how your reviews would take into account "compared," >>> especially since you haven't had or tried the 25. I thought "UUUUGH, >>> 300 bucks, no way!" Then I finally bought one (while in the ordering >>> phase, praying I would NOT regret nor have wasted the 300 bucks {US}. >>> >>> I'm one of the guys that loved the MS Sidewinder ff wheels and never >>> thought I would like any other.... I had used and tried everything from >>> the Thrustmaster t2, through nascar pro2 and the 2 other Logitech >>> wheels. well about a year ago, I got the 25 because I got new PC... >>> (sidewinder with XP sp2 or greater is tricky to get installed >>> correctly)... I think and soapbox obviously, it was good, and pleasant >>> decision. >>> >>> IMHO generally: if you haven't tried the g25 ya just don't know what >>> you are missing (even I didn't). Still, at least you, Tim, have tried a >>> 900 degree wheel. I been told (and might concur) that since I haven't >>> tried a Ecci I don't know what I am missing, but I know I cant/wouldn't >>> spend the >>> >$12 hundred either. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>> On Sep 6, 10:13 am, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>>> "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> >>>> > Hi, >>>> >>>> > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: >>>> >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel... >>>> >>>> > Also recently posted a Logitech Force EX review too: >>>> >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/08/20/logitech-driving-force-ex >>>> >>>> > Cheers, >>>> >>>> > Tim. >>>> >>>> Interesting review but if i may make a suggestion, the price is one of >>>> the >>>> most important factors in hardware reviews. For example, the new Frex >>>> wheel >>>> is getting rave reviews but the 2000$ price tag has to be considered. I >>>> have >>>> found that the Logitech G25 hits the sweet spot for the price/quality >>>> ratio. >>>> It's also very moddable for those who like customizing their >>>> equipement. >>> >>> Thanks Bob. I didn't really consider pricing because I didn't have to >>> pay for it. I do think that it is well worth the money when compared >>> to the G25 pricing. I added info on the price and said that I think >>> it's worth the price now in the article... Just a mention though... >>> >> > >

On Sep 9, 11:44 pm, "huh?" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Forgot to add that the clamp system on the Fanatec system isn't as secure as > the Microsoft model, but it's good enough. > > "Flat Earth Society" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > > Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in > >news:[email hidden]: > > >> Hi, > > >> If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: > >>http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-r > >> eview > > > Looks like a nice wheel but you complained about the clamping system which > > is somehting I always consider seriously in wheels. Why hasn't anyone ever > > copied the clamping system from the old Microsoft FFB wheels? Did > > Microsoft > > patent that clamping system or something? It's easily the best clamping > > system for wheels ever devised. The Logitech still uses the clunky old two > > plastic screw system they have always used. With the Microsft wheel once > > you have set the gap there are no big plastic screws to turn, you just > > push > > the clamp up to make it clamp to your desk and it can clamp to any > > thickness of desk, only takes a few seconds to do it too. That's the main > > reason why I still use my Microsoft FFB wheel going on 7 years now and > > haven't bothered to buy a new wheel.

I'm pretty pleased that you concur with the review, having tried it. Thanks for the feedback everyone. :)

Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote: > [email hidden] >> Why not post your review here? > Same reason those rollerblade photos aren't here. The article > wouldn't display as I want it to, images and all. :) I wasn't talking about a signature. But I would agree that a signature is a good place to put a link to your article(s) or your website (if Google Groups allows you to use a signature). Quoting relevant text from your article is a lot easier if the text is posted here, quoting/threading is the outstanding feature of USENET that clarifies discussion and distinguishes USENET from World Wide Web forums. -- The first big front wheel rollerblades. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/2565924423/ Google Groups is destroying the USENET archive.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Everyone does. No way. > You can't NOT have it. I do NOT have it. > You have it. No, YOU have it. > It just may not bother you as much as others. Just don't get close enough to give it to anybody else.

Dude, it's engineered in the device, on purpose, by Logitech for mechanical reasons. Unless you re-engineered it and removed it then it is there. Like I said. Maybe you ain't bothered by it. Nothing wrong with that, but it IS there. "John Doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7tHyk.196$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Everyone does. > > No way. > >> You can't NOT have it. > > I do NOT have it. > >> You have it. > > No, YOU have it. > >> It just may not bother you as much as others. > > Just don't get close enough to give it to anybody else.

It doesn't exactly zero the forces around *center*. It may zero the forces when the torque on the virtual steering column is close to zero, but that's not too different from real life. Raising the FFB strength in the controller menu above 100% diminishes that dead spot. FWIW, you don't have to completely zero out the forces on both motors. Electric motors can withstand a low level of current indefinitely. -- Pat Dotson On Sep 15, 9:32 am, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Dude, it's engineered in the device, on purpose, by Logitech for mechanical > reasons.  Unless you re-engineered it and removed it then it is there. > > Like I said. Maybe you ain't bothered by it.  Nothing wrong with that, but > it IS there. > > "John Doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7tHyk.196$[email hidden]... > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Everyone does. > > > No way. > > >> You can't NOT have it. > > > I do NOT have it. > > >> You have it. > > > No, YOU have it. > > >> It just may not bother you as much as others. > > > Just don't get close enough to give it to anybody else.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -

On Sep 6, 10:40 pm, Flat Earth Society <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote innews:[email hidden]: > > > Hi, > > > If anyone is interested I just posted a 911 Wheel review: > >http://timwheatley.org/www/2008/09/06/fanatec-porsche-911-turbo-wheel-r > > eview > > Looks like a nice wheel but you complained about the clamping system which > is somehting I always consider seriously in wheels.

The clamping system works fine on most tables. In case you need it much stronger there is a clamp made of steel available which is ultra strong. http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=291&lang=en

On 15 Sep., 22:00, [email hidden] wrote: > It doesn't exactly zero the forces around *center*.  It may zero the > forces when the torque on the virtual steering column is close to > zero, but that's not too different from real life. Hi I am the designer of the Porsche wheel and I am glad that Tim liked it. We thought about using two motors but the only benfeit is having less cost as the cooling of a strong motor is more expensive than adding a second and small motor. To lower the cost was not the primary mission on the Porsche wheel so we went for the optimal choice, the Mabuchi 550. A lot of technology of this wheel is hidden under the hood just like the engine of a Porsche ;). The belts are imported from the UK for example but the feeling they create is smoother than any gear. If you like to get more info about the wheel and other racing peripherals, check out my blog at www.911wheel.com Thomas

[email hidden] wrote: ... > A lot of technology of this wheel is hidden under the hood just > like the engine of a Porsche ;). The belts are imported from the > UK for example but the feeling they create is smoother than any > gear. Seems to me a belt would be used for a different reason than smoothness. If you are referring to the idea that plastic gears cause small bumps in the steering wheel action of a Logitech MOMO or G25, you might want to consider the more plausible idea that any bumpy effect would more likely be caused by the gap between electric motor windings. Besides that, for certain applications, some modern plastics (like Ultra High Molecular Weight polyethylene UHMW) wear better than steel, maybe because UHMW is self lubricating. -- The first big front wheel rollerblades. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/2565924423/ Google Groups is destroying the USENET archive.

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> Seems to me a belt would be used for a different reason than > smoothness. If you are referring to the idea that plastic gears > cause small bumps in the steering wheel action of a Logitech MOMO or > G25, you might want to consider the more plausible idea that any > bumpy effect would more likely be caused by the gap between electric > motor windings. Besides that, for certain applications, some modern > plastics (like Ultra High Molecular Weight polyethylene UHMW) wear > better than steel, maybe because UHMW is self lubricating.

The forces caused by the motor are called cogging forces. It is very important to have very low cogging forces but even if we use the same motor as used in the Logitech wheels the feeling is different. We also come up with our own gear drive design for our lower priced Porsche 911 Carrera wheel but it is easy to notice the difference to a belt drive if you compare the systems. You have to try it out. A belt drive feels much more like a car steering and less like a toy.