Re: F1 question...

Superdave <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Yc1N4.15197$[email hidden]... > Watching qualifying Sunday for Silverstone, the announcer made a comment > about " cutting the wires " . I have to assume he means driver aids? I had > though that things like ABS and traction control were ruled out long ago.Is > this not true? It is true. However this race was supposed to ban the rev limiters and make the drivers keep at 60kph in the pits. The drivers complained that this was too unsafe, so FIA reversed it's rev limiter ruling. The problem is that some teams were cheating and using the rev limiter technology on the race track as a form of traction control. Remember a few races ago when that Mclaren accidentally had it's fuel lid open? What the hell was that all about? Obviously traction control... When traction control is enabled, the fuel cover springs open. As and added measure, the FIA made all the teams activate their rear tail light when they are using traction control. So if you see a car with it's fuel cover open and the tail light on, and the car is not in the pits... Well then they are some cheating bastards :-) As for cut tires? I always thought that meant the tires were punctured ala Nascar or Cart racing. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

I have only recently - last year or so - really got into F1. The cars seem truly amazing. Though, I'm told that you must hear the V-10 in person to really appreciate the tech involved. 10 cylinders, 17K RPM's. Television doesn't do it justice? And though I do enjoy F12K, the sounds are pitiful. Watching qualifying Sunday for Silverstone, the announcer made a comment about " cutting the wires " . I have to assume he means driver aids? I had though that things like ABS and traction control were ruled out long ago. Is this not true? I seem to remember a comment about the Honda Turbos having a complete data uplinks package, so that anywhere in the world where the race is run, all the on-board telemetry was being sent back to Japan. Then, as the race went on, Honda could adjust the cars as they changed due to tire wear, lightened fuel load, etc. Wasn't the banning of all this tech done to reduce the cost of running a F1 team? Just what driver aids are still used in the car? And, a game using cars for the Turbo Era would seem really cool in my book. Many thanks. Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] http://www.cushdrive.com/

The driving aids were banned but people have been cheating I guess. I don't think they banned them to lower the cost of racing. I think they did it because the cars were becoming so easy to drive that there was no driver skill involved. If anything it probably raised the cost of racing as more R&D was spent to find ways around the rules. They say teams were hiding Traction Control modules in thier pit Speed limiters. Who knows. Superdave wrote:

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> > I have only recently - last year or so - really got into F1. The cars seem > truly amazing. Though, I'm told that you must hear the V-10 in person to > really appreciate the tech involved. 10 cylinders, 17K RPM's. Television > doesn't do it justice? And though I do enjoy F12K, the sounds are pitiful. > > Watching qualifying Sunday for Silverstone, the announcer made a comment > about " cutting the wires " . I have to assume he means driver aids? I had > though that things like ABS and traction control were ruled out long ago. Is > this not true? > > I seem to remember a comment about the Honda Turbos having a complete data > uplinks package, so that anywhere in the world where the race is run, all > the on-board telemetry was being sent back to Japan. Then, as the race went > on, Honda could adjust the cars as they changed due to tire wear, lightened > fuel load, etc. Wasn't the banning of all this tech done to reduce the cost > of running a F1 team? > > Just what driver aids are still used in the car? > > And, a game using cars for the Turbo Era would seem really cool in my book. > > Many thanks. > > Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] > http://www.cushdrive.com/

The Engine manufacturers will fight. It was very common to miss a shift before Ferrari introduced the semi-auto transmission. Blown engines due to missed shifts are almost a thing of the past and really save the smaller teams a great deal of Money. dave henrie Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> > Current thinking is towards introducing manual gear selection...with a gear > lever, not flicking a paddle. > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Alan Orton <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The driving aids were banned but people have been cheating I guess. I > > don't think they banned them to lower the cost of racing. I think they > > did it because the cars were becoming so easy to drive that there was no > > driver skill involved. If anything it probably raised the cost of racing > > as more R&D was spent to find ways around the rules. They say teams were > > hiding Traction Control modules in thier pit Speed limiters. Who knows. > > > > Superdave wrote: > > > > > > I have only recently - last year or so - really got into F1. The cars > seem > > > truly amazing. Though, I'm told that you must hear the V-10 in person to > > > really appreciate the tech involved. 10 cylinders, 17K RPM's. Television > > > doesn't do it justice? And though I do enjoy F12K, the sounds are > pitiful. > > > > > > Watching qualifying Sunday for Silverstone, the announcer made a comment > > > about " cutting the wires " . I have to assume he means driver aids? I > had > > > though that things like ABS and traction control were ruled out long > ago. Is > > > this not true? > > > > > > I seem to remember a comment about the Honda Turbos having a complete > data > > > uplinks package, so that anywhere in the world where the race is run, > all > > > the on-board telemetry was being sent back to Japan. Then, as the race > went > > > on, Honda could adjust the cars as they changed due to tire wear, > lightened > > > fuel load, etc. Wasn't the banning of all this tech done to reduce the > cost > > > of running a F1 team? > > > > > > Just what driver aids are still used in the car? > > > > > > And, a game using cars for the Turbo Era would seem really cool in my > book. > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] > > > http://www.cushdrive.com/

. They say teams were > hiding Traction Control modules in thier pit Speed limiters. Who knows. > In order to combat this, speed sensors are now required to be placed on the front wheels. Owing to the fact that a F1 car is rear wheel drive, it is now not possible to detect wheelspin. In theory that is at least! MS

Wouldn't it be simpler to ban any passing for position after T1?? They're pretty well there now why not make it official :) -- Ponder this... Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to? Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra? If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry? Barry Stoch - Warped Racing Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The Engine manufacturers will fight. It was very common to miss a > shift before Ferrari introduced the semi-auto transmission. Blown > engines due to missed shifts are almost a thing of the past and really > save the smaller teams a great deal of Money. > dave henrie > > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Current thinking is towards introducing manual gear selection...with a gear > > lever, not flicking a paddle. > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Alan Orton <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > The driving aids were banned but people have been cheating I guess. I > > > don't think they banned them to lower the cost of racing. I think they > > > did it because the cars were becoming so easy to drive that there was no > > > driver skill involved. If anything it probably raised the cost of racing > > > as more R&D was spent to find ways around the rules. They say teams were > > > hiding Traction Control modules in thier pit Speed limiters. Who knows. > > > > > > Superdave wrote: > > > > > > > > I have only recently - last year or so - really got into F1. The cars > > seem > > > > truly amazing. Though, I'm told that you must hear the V-10 in person to > > > > really appreciate the tech involved. 10 cylinders, 17K RPM's. Television > > > > doesn't do it justice? And though I do enjoy F12K, the sounds are > > pitiful. > > > > > > > > Watching qualifying Sunday for Silverstone, the announcer made a comment > > > > about " cutting the wires " . I have to assume he means driver aids? I > > had > > > > though that things like ABS and traction control were ruled out long > > ago. Is > > > > this not true? > > > > > > > > I seem to remember a comment about the Honda Turbos having a complete > > data > > > > uplinks package, so that anywhere in the world where the race is run, > > all > > > > the on-board telemetry was being sent back to Japan. Then, as the race > > went > > > > on, Honda could adjust the cars as they changed due to tire wear, > > lightened > > > > fuel load, etc. Wasn't the banning of all this tech done to reduce the > > cost > > > > of running a F1 team? > > > > > > > > Just what driver aids are still used in the car? > > > > > > > > And, a game using cars for the Turbo Era would seem really cool in my > > book. > > > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > > > Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] > > > > http://www.cushdrive.com/

Current thinking is towards introducing manual gear selection...with a gear lever, not flicking a paddle. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Alan Orton <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The driving aids were banned but people have been cheating I guess. I > don't think they banned them to lower the cost of racing. I think they > did it because the cars were becoming so easy to drive that there was no > driver skill involved. If anything it probably raised the cost of racing > as more R&D was spent to find ways around the rules. They say teams were > hiding Traction Control modules in thier pit Speed limiters. Who knows. > > Superdave wrote: > > > > I have only recently - last year or so - really got into F1. The cars seem > > truly amazing. Though, I'm told that you must hear the V-10 in person to > > really appreciate the tech involved. 10 cylinders, 17K RPM's. Television > > doesn't do it justice? And though I do enjoy F12K, the sounds are pitiful. > > > > Watching qualifying Sunday for Silverstone, the announcer made a comment > > about " cutting the wires " . I have to assume he means driver aids? I had > > though that things like ABS and traction control were ruled out long ago. Is > > this not true? > > > > I seem to remember a comment about the Honda Turbos having a complete data > > uplinks package, so that anywhere in the world where the race is run, all > > the on-board telemetry was being sent back to Japan. Then, as the race went > > on, Honda could adjust the cars as they changed due to tire wear, lightened > > fuel load, etc. Wasn't the banning of all this tech done to reduce the cost > > of running a F1 team? > > > > Just what driver aids are still used in the car? > > > > And, a game using cars for the Turbo Era would seem really cool in my book. > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] > > http://www.cushdrive.com/

Active suspension and traction control was banned in 94. The form of traction control was that the engine automatically lowered revs when wheelspin occurred. Of course it is now belived that all the top teams have different forms of tractions control and depending on how you interperet the vauge rules they are legal. Ive been thinking a turbo era game would be cool since I saw a 85 race at monaco. There was actually a lot of overtaking!!! At monaco no less.... Berno Superdave <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Yc1N4.15197$[email hidden]...

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> I have only recently - last year or so - really got into F1. The cars seem > truly amazing. Though, I'm told that you must hear the V-10 in person to > really appreciate the tech involved. 10 cylinders, 17K RPM's. Television > doesn't do it justice? And though I do enjoy F12K, the sounds are pitiful. > > Watching qualifying Sunday for Silverstone, the announcer made a comment > about " cutting the wires " . I have to assume he means driver aids? I had > though that things like ABS and traction control were ruled out long ago.

Is > this not true? > > I seem to remember a comment about the Honda Turbos having a complete data > uplinks package, so that anywhere in the world where the race is run, all > the on-board telemetry was being sent back to Japan. Then, as the racewent > on, Honda could adjust the cars as they changed due to tire wear,lightened > fuel load, etc. Wasn't the banning of all this tech done to reduce thecost > of running a F1 team? > > Just what driver aids are still used in the car? > > And, a game using cars for the Turbo Era would seem really cool in mybook.

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> > Many thanks. > > Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] > http://www.cushdrive.com/ > >

Perhaps. To me it is a moot point anyway, Dave, as I don't religiously follow modern F1. But I thought it an interesting concept. Who knows...if something like manual shifting can be dreamed up then all things are possible.......no aero-aids, perhaps?!! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The Engine manufacturers will fight. It was very common to miss a > shift before Ferrari introduced the semi-auto transmission. Blown > engines due to missed shifts are almost a thing of the past and really > save the smaller teams a great deal of Money. > dave henrie

actually I feel that all those electronic control devices were wonderful in their own right. I remember the lotus cars out cornering everyone with their active suspension, & the williams hondas turbos blowing everyone out of the way. They took a lot away from the driver at that time, with the car doing almost everything. The main thing to note is that those expensive gadgets are now common place in normal road cars. Without racing teams cracking their heads to try & beat each other with technology, we won;t have the level of technology we have today. That said, I support anything that makes the sport more exciting, but traction control is not one of them. I oso favour larger wings. Since they cut the sizes of those things, we don't really see exciting overtaking anymore.

Cory It's not the size of wings that has caused the lack of overtaking in F1. We need more Mechanical Grip and LESS reliance on aerodynamic devices. The best eras for overtaking were those where the following car could get into the slipstream of the car behind and stay there on the entry of a corner without washing away. This is simply not possible as part of the norm in this day and age, where the plank has severely reduced under car downforce and there is an even greater reliance on wings and other appendages to produce grip. Just look at how Schumacher languished in 8th place at Silverstone for lap after lap, unable to do anything about the car ahead, even though he was around 3-4 secs a lap faster. The days of barn door wings died with the turbo era. You need to remember that in those days, cars had in excess of 1000 BHP in race trim and over 1200 BHP in qualifying. They were able to utilise more downforce because they had the additional power to pull these things through the air on the straights. What we need is big fat slick tyres with mechanical of grip and more progressive / less snappy performance on the edge of the envelope. It's so sad to think that through the junior ranks of the sport, the aspiring GP driver has to learn so many skills that used to be a prerequisite for driving GP's only to have to throw them away now. Heeling and toeing, driving with slicks, even manual shifting were all things that seperated the great drivers from those who used to blow engines on a regular basis. Nowadays, the best they can hope for is to have sufficient marketing and political talents to enable them to get into a front of grid car. Very rarely do you see a driver come from the back of the grid in a display of inspiration simply because the cars do not allow it. I feel sorry for the younger members of the F1 fan club. All they have are the archives and stories of how it was....... MS . > I oso favour larger wings. Since they cut the sizes of those things, wedon't > really see exciting overtaking anymore. >