Kidz, Discipline, and online gaming...

LOL ok maybe I'm starting a thread that will get me a slap or 2.... I seriously wonder if all the BS about how u are allowed to discipline kidz these days is contributing to alotta the problems we see in society these days with them.. Ok for the most part I am referring to this bit about no spanking. U can be charged for doin this these days. Just telling junior NO... I don't think it works. I'm in my 30's and have no kids, but i don't recall anyone in my public school, or high school carrying guns, knives, or disrespecting their elders like u see today.. And i think it carries over to our beloved online gaming, with the hiding behind a pc only makinem braver. They can take pleasure in screwing with everyone else with no risk of being held responsible or receiving any form of punishment. In the old days of Quake TF that i used to play the server Op's could ban offenders indefinitely. Sure some of the offenders would just use another of Daddy's dial up accounts and rejoin, which usually led to another IP banned.. Game designers... how about giving these games/sims we love so much, IP banning capability? Would do wonders for the quality of gaming, and probably teach some of the punks a thing or 2. Just my thots Md

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> Game designers... how about giving these games/sims we love so much, IP > banning capability? > Would do wonders for the quality of gaming, and probably teach some of > the punks a thing or 2. > > Just my thots > > Md

2 thoughts here. 1) Most diap-ups have dynamic IP #'s, so unless the offender has cable, DSL, etc. it won't help a lot. 2) You gotta remember, this is the USA. Nobody has any rights here except for those who want to do what is wrong in the first place. ;-) -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons

Heh well i can actually remember the TF host i most frequented banning whole neighbourhoods, and even schools +) With so many ppl on hi speed connects which are static or at least static for a few weeks at a time, it would be easier than it used to be. Md Chuck Kandler wrote:

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> > Martyn Danby wrote: > > <Much good snippage> > > > Game designers... how about giving these games/sims we love so much, IP > > banning capability? > > Would do wonders for the quality of gaming, and probably teach some of > > the punks a thing or 2. > > > > Just my thots > > > > Md > > 2 thoughts here. > > 1) Most diap-ups have dynamic IP #'s, so unless the offender has cable, > DSL, etc. it won't help a lot. > 2) You gotta remember, this is the USA. Nobody has any rights here > except for those who want to do what is wrong in the first place. ;-) > > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: > http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! > > Your freedom's just a state of mind. > --Gene Simmons

Funny, you say you're in your 30's but I would have guessed by your writing style that you were about 10. If you want game designers to take you seriously - try writing in proper English (or whatever language you speak). Just my thoughts... --David Cook "Martyn Danby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> LOL ok maybe I'm starting a thread that will get me a slap or 2.... > > > I seriously wonder if all the BS about how u are allowed to discipline > kidz these days is contributing to alotta the problems we see in society > these days with them.. > > Ok for the most part I am referring to this bit about no spanking. U > can be charged for doin this these days. Just telling junior NO... I > don't think it works. I'm in my 30's and have no kids, but i don't > recall anyone in my public school, or high school carrying guns, knives, > or disrespecting their elders like u see today.. > > And i think it carries over to our beloved online gaming, with the > hiding behind a pc only makinem braver. They can take pleasure in > screwing with everyone else with no risk of being held responsible or > receiving any form of punishment. > > In the old days of Quake TF that i used to play the server Op's could > ban offenders indefinitely. Sure some of the offenders would just use > another of Daddy's dial up accounts and rejoin, which usually led to > another IP banned.. > > Game designers... how about giving these games/sims we love so much, IP > banning capability? > Would do wonders for the quality of gaming, and probably teach some of > the punks a thing or 2. > > Just my thots > > Md

that must be slap 1 Guess u couldn't see the point of the post David would u be one of the punks? Md "David L. Cook" wrote:

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> > Funny, you say you're in your 30's but I would have guessed by your writing > style that you were about 10. If you want game designers to take you > seriously - try writing in proper English (or whatever language you speak). > Just my thoughts... > > --David Cook > > "Martyn Danby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > LOL ok maybe I'm starting a thread that will get me a slap or 2.... > > > > > > I seriously wonder if all the BS about how u are allowed to discipline > > kidz these days is contributing to alotta the problems we see in society > > these days with them.. > > > > Ok for the most part I am referring to this bit about no spanking. U > > can be charged for doin this these days. Just telling junior NO... I > > don't think it works. I'm in my 30's and have no kids, but i don't > > recall anyone in my public school, or high school carrying guns, knives, > > or disrespecting their elders like u see today.. > > > > And i think it carries over to our beloved online gaming, with the > > hiding behind a pc only makinem braver. They can take pleasure in > > screwing with everyone else with no risk of being held responsible or > > receiving any form of punishment. > > > > In the old days of Quake TF that i used to play the server Op's could > > ban offenders indefinitely. Sure some of the offenders would just use > > another of Daddy's dial up accounts and rejoin, which usually led to > > another IP banned.. > > > > Game designers... how about giving these games/sims we love so much, IP > > banning capability? > > Would do wonders for the quality of gaming, and probably teach some of > > the punks a thing or 2. > > > > Just my thots > > > > Md

LOL ok So my english may not be perfect, I'm a lousy typist (never took that easy credit in school) so i take shortcuts now and then. If you don't like it.. tough Hope i didn't offend u by mentioning the word punk +Q Md Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> > Yep, was about to say that though his school was gun free, he didn't pick up > very much in his peaceful years there. > > Jan. > =--- > David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:K7jN4.52122$[email hidden]... > > Funny, you say you're in your 30's but I would have guessed by your > writing > > style that you were about 10. If you want game designers to take you > > seriously - try writing in proper English (or whatever language you > speak). > > Just my thoughts... > > > > --David Cook > > > > <snip>

Yes you could be correct there, however I'd bet alot of auto sim developers with a real interest in the auto simulation genre will browse this NG from time to time. That doesn't include mario kart type developers. Whether or not they'd bother with all the threads I can't say, but i'd be willing to bet that this NG has aided in racing sim development from time to time. Still my thoughts... Md Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> > The suits that decide what goes into games and what doesn't are impervious > to any form of humour. You've got to pretend you respect their money to get > anything done. > > Jan. > =--- > Martyn Danby <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > that must be slap 1 > > > > Guess u couldn't see the point of the post David > > > > would u be one of the punks? > > > > Md > > > > "David L. Cook" wrote: > <Snip>

Yep, was about to say that though his school was gun free, he didn't pick up very much in his peaceful years there. Jan. =--- David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:K7jN4.52122$[email hidden]... > Funny, you say you're in your 30's but I would have guessed by yourwriting > style that you were about 10. If you want game designers to take you > seriously - try writing in proper English (or whatever language youspeak). > Just my thoughts... > > --David Cook > > <snip>

The suits that decide what goes into games and what doesn't are impervious to any form of humour. You've got to pretend you respect their money to get anything done. Jan. =--- Martyn Danby <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> that must be slap 1 > > Guess u couldn't see the point of the post David > > would u be one of the punks? > > Md > > "David L. Cook" wrote:

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I was raised with a 'vented paddle' on top of the fridge. I respected my parents, never drank, smoked, or did anything stupid to get in trouble...neither did my two siblings! This day and age of two parents working, no discipline, and such has brought the youth of the USA to a lever lower than ever seen before! when I was in school, graduated in 83, The worst kids did was get in little school yard tussles or smoked in the bathroom! Look what they are doing now!!! I think the media has alot to do about and they don't seem to want to stop it either! oh, I guess I should stop now! I could vent on this topic for days! and FYI, I just had our first child three weeks ago...heaven help me, the wife, and most of all him! late! Martyn Danby wrote:

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> > LOL ok maybe I'm starting a thread that will get me a slap or 2.... > > I seriously wonder if all the BS about how u are allowed to discipline > kidz these days is contributing to alotta the problems we see in society > these days with them.. > > Ok for the most part I am referring to this bit about no spanking. U > can be charged for doin this these days. Just telling junior NO... I > don't think it works. I'm in my 30's and have no kids, but i don't > recall anyone in my public school, or high school carrying guns, knives, > or disrespecting their elders like u see today.. > > And i think it carries over to our beloved online gaming, with the > hiding behind a pc only makinem braver. They can take pleasure in > screwing with everyone else with no risk of being held responsible or > receiving any form of punishment. > > In the old days of Quake TF that i used to play the server Op's could > ban offenders indefinitely. Sure some of the offenders would just use > another of Daddy's dial up accounts and rejoin, which usually led to > another IP banned.. > > Game designers... how about giving these games/sims we love so much, IP > banning capability? > Would do wonders for the quality of gaming, and probably teach some of > the punks a thing or 2. > > Just my thots > > Md

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In article <Xo0O4.155605$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>The media has changed you. > >Crime is at it's lowest level in 30 years, yet the media has yourself and >most others convinced that everyone is out of control. They do it to sell >their TV show, their news program, papers, etc. > >David G Fisher

Not saying you're wrong, but I haven't seen any statistics. I will agree though, that the media sensationalizes(sp?) the worst stories to get ratings. Since *most* of them do it, I can see it being very easy to believe that crime is up. Out of curiousity, what city do you live in? I live in Detroit...<G> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Martyn Danby <[email hidden]> writes: >Ok for the most part I am referring to this bit about no spanking. U >can be charged for doin this these days. Just telling junior NO... I >don't think it works. I'm in my 30's and have no kids, but i don't >recall anyone in my public school, or high school carrying guns, knives, >or disrespecting their elders like u see today.. > I agree. I'm 36, and when I was growing up ANY adult on the block was an authority figure, and was to be minded. Nowadays, if you suggest changes in a child's(not your own) behavior, you're likely to be flipped off...<sigh> Eldred - wondering again why the heck would I *ever* want kids...<g> -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Vince Cuffaro <[email hidden]> writes: >when I was in school, graduated in 83, The worst kids did was get in >little school yard tussles or smoked in the bathroom! Look what they >are doing now!!! I think the media has alot to do about and they don't >seem to want to stop it either! >If the children were taught right from wrong, the media wouldn't be able to change them. I've listened to rap music, played violent computer games, and even watched old Warner Bros. cartoons<g>. I have never wanted to commit all these violent crimes that seem common nowadays... Although I often wish that my Cooper had a machine gun for J. Surtees...<g> >oh, I guess I should stop now! I could vent on this topic for days! >and FYI, I just had our first child three weeks ago...heaven help me, >the wife, and most of all him! > >late! Congrats!<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: If the children were taught right from wrong, the media wouldn't be able to change them. I've listened to rap music, played *** computer games, and even watched old Warner Bros. cartoons<g>. I have never wanted to commit all these *** crimes that seem common nowadays... Although I often wish that my Cooper had a machine gun for J. Surtees...<g> Congrats!<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>oh, I guess I should stop now! I could vent on this topic for days! >and FYI, I just had our first child three weeks ago...heaven help me, >the wife, and most of all him! Well, there IS hope. My kids still aren't quite ***s yet, but I can assure you: when they're around ME they listen. I started early enough that they now KNOW that if I tell them to do something they'd better damn well do it. I don't think they fear ME, but they certainly fear the punishment. I routinely get compliments on my kids' conduct in public places. Since they've been about 2 years old they've been well behaved: they don't run down the aisles and climb over furniture and they don't constantly whine "Daddy, I want THIS. Daddy, I want THAT." That's not to say they won't still be bank robbers, but for now they're pretty decent. I totally agree that senators are doing their best (apparently unknowingly) to undermine all parents authority by removing what little leverage parents have. I was raised with the threat of corp***punishment, and I practiced it with my kids. If it's exercised early enough there will no longer be a need to exercise it in later life: they'll know you mean it. There's NOTHING more damaging to a parent's credibility than to issue an empty threat that's not followed through with. Now, let's get back to RACIN'!!!!! Gunner

The media has changed you. Crime is at it's lowest level in 30 years, yet the media has yourself and most others convinced that everyone is out of control. They do it to sell their TV show, their news program, papers, etc. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Vince Cuffaro<[email hidden]>

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> writes: > > >when I was in school, graduated in 83, The worst kids did was get in > >little school yard tussles or smoked in the bathroom! Look what they > >are doing now!!! I think the media has alot to do about and they don't > >seem to want to stop it either! > > > If the children were taught right from wrong, the media wouldn't be able

to > change them. I've listened to rap music, played violent computer games,and > even watched old Warner Bros. cartoons<g>. I have never wanted to commitall > these violent crimes that seem common nowadays... Although I often wishthat

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> my Cooper had a machine gun for J. Surtees...<g> > > >oh, I guess I should stop now! I could vent on this topic for days! > >and FYI, I just had our first child three weeks ago...heaven help me, > >the wife, and most of all him! > > > >late! > > Congrats!<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Guess u haven't walked down a downtown city street these days DGF...... Md David G Fisher wrote:

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> > The media has changed you. > > Crime is at it's lowest level in 30 years, yet the media has yourself and > most others convinced that everyone is out of control. They do it to sell > their TV show, their news program, papers, etc. > > David G Fisher > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, Vince Cuffaro > <[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > >when I was in school, graduated in 83, The worst kids did was get in > > >little school yard tussles or smoked in the bathroom! Look what they > > >are doing now!!! I think the media has alot to do about and they don't > > >seem to want to stop it either! > > > > > If the children were taught right from wrong, the media wouldn't be able > to > > change them. I've listened to rap music, played violent computer games, > and > > even watched old Warner Bros. cartoons<g>. I have never wanted to commit > all > > these violent crimes that seem common nowadays... Although I often wish > that > > my Cooper had a machine gun for J. Surtees...<g> > > > > >oh, I guess I should stop now! I could vent on this topic for days! > > >and FYI, I just had our first child three weeks ago...heaven help me, > > >the wife, and most of all him! > > > > > >late! > > > > Congrats!<g> > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Vince Cuffaro wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >oh, I guess I should stop now! I could vent on this topic for days! >and FYI, I just had our first child three weeks ago...heaven help me, >the wife, and most of all him! > Well, there IS hope. My kids still aren't quite teens yet, but I can assure you: when they're around ME they listen. I started early enough that they now KNOW that if I tell them to do something they'd better damn well do it. I don't think they fear ME, but they certainly fear the punishment. I routinely get compliments on my kids' conduct in public places. Since they've been about 2 years old they've been well behaved: they don't run down the aisles and climb over furniture and they don't constantly whine "Daddy, I want THIS. Daddy, I want THAT." That's not to say they won't still be bank robbers, but for now they're pretty decent. I totally agree that senators are doing their best (apparently unknowingly) to undermine all parents authority by removing what little leverage parents have. I was raised with the threat of corporal punishment, and I practiced it with my kids. If it's exercised early enough there will no longer be a need to exercise it in later life: they'll know you mean it. There's NOTHING more damaging to a parent's credibility than to issue an empty threat that's not followed through with. Now, let's get back to RACIN'!!!!! Gunner

David G Fisher wrote:

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> > The media has changed you. > > Crime is at it's lowest level in 30 years, yet the media has yourself and > most others convinced that everyone is out of control. They do it to sell > their TV show, their news program, papers, etc. > > David G Fisher

Dual-edged sword there. Crime *rates* have indeed been reported to be down. However, crime rates are dependent upon said crimes being reported in the first place. In this animalistic atmosphere present in many larger communities nowadays most people understand that, except in the most flagrant & extreme of circumstances, they'd best not even *think* of turning someone in. So, the reported rates are actually artificially low. Take the events of a couple weeks ago just a few miles east of where I live. In Lincoln Park, MI. A few residents in a senior citizen's complex finally get fed up with another resident's foul language & make a complaint to the housing commission. After a meeting between the person at the heart of the matter & the complainants, he comes back & "puts a bullet in their ass". Three innocent women died there. Although I do agree society uses fear quite often to push their hidden agendas. Like the NRA. Without public hysteria, there'd be no membership dues for them to collect, which in turn pays for the higher official's salaries. You get the idea. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

I do it all the time without any worry because I know the facts. If you do some research into the crime rate throughout the the centuries and study some history, even dating back to biblical times and the first civilizations 4,000 years ago, or even throughout the 5,000,000 years man has been on this planet, you'll see that today is docile by comparison. Yes, I'm disgusted by the guns and violence that still exists everywhere in the world. But I also know that the "good old days" of the past are a myth. A certain philosopher from a looooong time ago complained about the "youth of today". His words were identical to those that you might hear come whining out of the mouth of your local PTA mom. The difference is, his complaints were legit. David G Fisher "Martyn Danby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Guess u haven't walked down a downtown city street these days DGF...... > > Md > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > The media has changed you. > > > > Crime is at it's lowest level in 30 years, yet the media has yourself

and > > most others convinced that everyone is out of control. They do it tosell

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> > their TV show, their news program, papers, etc. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, Vince Cuffaro > > <[email hidden]> > > > writes: > > > > > > >when I was in school, graduated in 83, The worst kids did was get in > > > >little school yard tussles or smoked in the bathroom! Look what they > > > >are doing now!!! I think the media has alot to do about and they

don't > > > >seem to want to stop it either! > > > > > > > If the children were taught right from wrong, the media wouldn't beable > > to > > > change them. I've listened to rap music, played violent computergames, > > and > > > even watched old Warner Bros. cartoons<g>. I have never wanted tocommit > > all > > > these violent crimes that seem common nowadays... Although I oftenwish

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> > that > > > my Cooper had a machine gun for J. Surtees...<g> > > > > > > >oh, I guess I should stop now! I could vent on this topic for days! > > > >and FYI, I just had our first child three weeks ago...heaven help me, > > > >the wife, and most of all him! > > > > > > > >late! > > > > > > Congrats!<g> > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then

beats > > you > > > with experience... > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

There are statistics for unreported crime, and they show the same decrease. I guess they gather this information through surveys. David G Fisher "Chuck Kandler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > The media has changed you. > > > > Crime is at it's lowest level in 30 years, yet the media has yourselfand > > most others convinced that everyone is out of control. They do it tosell

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> > their TV show, their news program, papers, etc. > > > > David G Fisher > > > Dual-edged sword there. Crime *rates* have indeed been reported to be > down. However, crime rates are dependent upon said crimes being > reported in the first place. In this animalistic atmosphere present in > many larger communities nowadays most people understand that, except in > the most flagrant & extreme of circumstances, they'd best not even > *think* of turning someone in. So, the reported rates are actually > artificially low. Take the events of a couple weeks ago just a few > miles east of where I live. In Lincoln Park, MI. A few residents in a > senior citizen's complex finally get fed up with another resident's foul > language & make a complaint to the housing commission. After a meeting > between the person at the heart of the matter & the complainants, he > comes back & "puts a bullet in their ass". Three innocent women died > there. > > Although I do agree society uses fear quite often to push their hidden > agendas. Like the NRA. Without public hysteria, there'd be no > membership dues for them to collect, which in turn pays for the higher > official's salaries. You get the idea. > > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: > http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! > > They'll call you names > And spit in your face, > But legends never die. --Gene Simmons