Re: Future of GPL, is it in jeopardy?

Well, I've played'em all. GPL is the one i always come back to. But you never tried GPL did you??? I think it's best that you and your like keep away from GPL. It's a shame, however, that you have to negatively comment about it all the time. For me, it's like going to a great party and being told afterwards, by some prat that wasn't there, that it was shit! David G Fisher wrote in message ... > >"AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]... >> As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the bestdriving

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>> simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or beat >it, >> but as of today no one has come close. > >Didn't know that. > >David G Fisher >

<snip interesting voodoo stuff> > The best-selling Voodoo3 at the moment (I think) is the V3-2000 PCI, which > will work alongside your AGP card and will run GPL nicely. Erm, excuse me for being ignorant, but I thought the V3 was a "full-service" card, i.e. 2D stuff as well. Is it really possible to run a V3 alongside, say, a Nvidia or Matrox AGP card? Yours most baffledly, Soren Sarstrup Birmingham UK

Your right Soren, the V3 is "full-service". The V2 will run along side any AGP card, not the V3. Jason. Soren Sarstrup wrote:

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> <snip interesting voodoo stuff> > > > The best-selling Voodoo3 at the moment (I think) is the V3-2000 PCI, which > > will work alongside your AGP card and will run GPL nicely. > > Erm, excuse me for being ignorant, but I thought the V3 was a "full-service" > card, i.e. 2D stuff as well. Is it really possible to run a V3 alongside, > say, a Nvidia or Matrox AGP card? > > Yours most baffledly, > > Soren Sarstrup > Birmingham UK

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i have same roblem my voodoo3 2000 is getting old and has no aa i want a prophet (based on ge-force) or maxtor (based on tnt2) Soren Sarstrup <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8e4h2f$cqq$[email hidden]... > <snip interesting voodoo stuff> > > > The best-selling Voodoo3 at the moment (I think) is the V3-2000 PCI,which > > will work alongside your AGP card and will run GPL nicely. > > Erm, excuse me for being ignorant, but I thought the V3 was a"full-service"

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> card, i.e. 2D stuff as well. Is it really possible to run a V3 alongside, > say, a Nvidia or Matrox AGP card? > > Yours most baffledly, > > Soren Sarstrup > Birmingham UK > >

> See....you _can_ learn something new every day! <fx: points to sign saying "Please tip-toe when crossing this bridge">

The best-selling Voodoo3 at the moment (I think) is the V3-2000 PCI, which will work alongside your AGP card and will run GPL nicely. They're cheap now and will get much cheaper very soon. And the upcoming V5-5000 is PCI-only. So you'll still have choices for Glide games. Would have been nice to have a D3D option for GPL, though, one of many omissions that would have made it more accessible. Cheers, Steve B. Andy Jones <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CjdN4.189$[email hidden]... > I'm faced with the same issue - but I guess I benefit from currentlyhaving > a V2. I can still run this alongside a non-Glide card and use it just for > GPL. > > Maybe you should be looking to pick up a V2 second hand or very cheap tosit > alongside your shiny new GeForce ! > > Andy

Good posting there........I like it. -NK

As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best driving simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or beat it, but as of today no one has come close. This is starting to worry me.... Computer and graphic card technology is continuing to evolve, and yet we're stuck only with 3Dfx and Rendition support. There is an unofficial OpenGL patch, but from what I can tell it's worthiness is hit or miss. Will it work with all OpenGL drivers or only those from Nvidia (and that appears to be only a subset of drivers)? In the near future I'd like to upgrade my system, graphics card in particular, unfortunately GPL will prevent me from purchasing the best technology available. What I would like to see is an unofficial DirectX/Direct 3D patch made available by Papyrus or a 3rd party developer. This would extend the lifetime of GPL (I don't want to maintain a specific GPL box), and open up a broader choice of graphics cards. Do you think it would be possible to lobby Papy to develop a DX patch? Or even to farm out the job to an outside developer. I would surely pay $10 to $15 dollars to keep this game alive for another few years. This a very unique game that faithfully reproduces a great moment in sporting history and I'd hate to see it fall by the wayside because of something as silly as a graphics card. Sure there will be dozens and dozens of modern F1 sims released in the next 2 years, but they won't have the heart and style of Grand Prix Legends.

"AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]... > As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best driving > simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or beatit, > but as of today no one has come close. Didn't know that. David G Fisher

Andy Jones <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CjdN4.189$[email hidden]... > I'm faced with the same issue - but I guess I benefit from currentlyhaving > a V2. I can still run this alongside a non-Glide card and use it just for > GPL. > > Maybe you should be looking to pick up a V2 second hand or very cheap tosit > alongside your shiny new GeForce ! Even though I have a V3 right now, I'm still holding onto one of my V2s (from my prior SLI setup) for just this reason. This way I'll still be able to run GPL in Glide even if I go with a NV15 or some other card in the future.

I'm faced with the same issue - but I guess I benefit from currently having a V2. I can still run this alongside a non-Glide card and use it just for GPL. Maybe you should be looking to pick up a V2 second hand or very cheap to sit alongside your shiny new GeForce ! Andy AndrewS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]... > As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best driving > simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or beatit, > but as of today no one has come close. This is starting to worry me.... > Computer and graphic card technology is continuing to evolve, and yetwe're > stuck only with 3Dfx and Rendition support. There is an unofficial OpenGL > patch, but from what I can tell it's worthiness is hit or miss. Will it > work with all OpenGL drivers or only those from Nvidia (and that appearsto > be only a subset of drivers)? In the near future I'd like to upgrade my > system, graphics card in particular, unfortunately GPL will prevent mefrom > purchasing the best technology available. What I would like to see is an > unofficial DirectX/Direct 3D patch made available by Papyrus or a 3rdparty > developer. This would extend the lifetime of GPL (I don't want tomaintain > a specific GPL box), and open up a broader choice of graphics cards. Doyou > think it would be possible to lobby Papy to develop a DX patch? Or evento

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> farm out the job to an outside developer. I would surely pay $10 to $15 > dollars to keep this game alive for another few years. This a very unique > game that faithfully reproduces a great moment in sporting history and I'd > hate to see it fall by the wayside because of something as silly as a > graphics card. Sure there will be dozens and dozens of modern F1 sims > released in the next 2 years, but they won't have the heart and style of > Grand Prix Legends. > >

Take a look at the last part of the message I posted to the "Wanted: ICR2" thread. It sorta addresses your thoughts. It was originally conceived as a "tongue-in-cheek" idea, but I'm beginning to wonder if it might actually have some merit... Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

Good posting there........I like it. -NK

Didn't know that. David G Fisher

So you want a D3d patch for GPL? unfortunately, you have to get in line. A 3dfx patch for Soda A proper 3dfx patch for N99 A fully functional Opengl patch for GPL (the next is a 3rd party issue) A fully functional D3d for N3 that allows the ancient ICR2 road courses to run in D3D not just 3dfx mode. After all that, you can expect the D3D version of GPL. Any clue how long folks have been waiting for the first item? dave henrie NanaKofi wrote: > > Good posting there........I like it. > > -NK

But WILL he? Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well now you do! > See....you _can_ learn something new every day! > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rF9N4.146169$[email hidden]... > > > > "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]... > > > As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best > driving > > > simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or

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> > it, > > > but as of today no one has come close. > > > > Didn't know that. > > > > David G Fisher > > > >

Well now you do! See....you _can_ learn something new every day! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rF9N4.146169$[email hidden]... > > "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]... > > As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best driving > > simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or beat > it, > > but as of today no one has come close. > > Didn't know that. > > David G Fisher >

The V3 "will" do 2D also, but unless I'm sorely mistaken you can add a PCI V3 and use it in addition to your current AGP card. The site that quoted the sales success of the V3-2000 PCI (which escapes me at the moment) stated just that as the reason. Cheers, Steve B. Soren Sarstrup <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8e4h2f$cqq$[email hidden]... > <snip interesting voodoo stuff> > > > The best-selling Voodoo3 at the moment (I think) is the V3-2000 PCI,which > > will work alongside your AGP card and will run GPL nicely. > > Erm, excuse me for being ignorant, but I thought the V3 was a"full-service"

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> card, i.e. 2D stuff as well. Is it really possible to run a V3 alongside, > say, a Nvidia or Matrox AGP card? > > Yours most baffledly, > > Soren Sarstrup > Birmingham UK > >

In message <Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]> "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote: > There is an unofficial OpenGL patch, but from what I can tell it's > worthiness is hit or miss. Will it work with all OpenGL drivers or only > those from Nvidia (and that appears to be only a subset of drivers)? The OpenGL patch is pretty awful. Ideally, Papy would fix it, but they are not going to, since as far as they are concerned, GPL is dead. > Do you think it would be possible to lobby Papy to develop a DX patch? No. > Or even to farm out the job to an outside developer. I would surely pay > $10 to $15 dollars to keep this game alive for another few years. Me too. If one of the GPL-stars would like to organise a programmer and some money, then... I think Papy would *sell* a copy of the OpenGL code (under a non-disclosure agreement) to a programmer who paid them enough. He or she could then improve the OpenGL. The same probably applies to the whole game, but with much more money... -- Richard. "Don't pass me by don't make me cry don't make me blue."

Now you do. Marty David G Fisher wrote:

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> "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]... > > As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best driving > > simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or beat > it, > > but as of today no one has come close. > > Didn't know that. > > David G Fisher

There's always exceptions to the rule, but I won't name any names. :) Marty Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> Well now you do! > See....you _can_ learn something new every day! > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rF9N4.146169$[email hidden]... > > > > "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Hv8N4.3690$[email hidden]... > > > As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best > driving > > > simulator on the market. Other companies have promised to meet or beat > > it, > > > but as of today no one has come close. > > > > Didn't know that. > > > > David G Fisher > >

"AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote > As we've all seen over the past year, GPL continues to be the best driving > simulator on the market. The future of GPL is non-existent. Sierra will never approve taking some working hour time off other milking-money project to do whatever addition to GPL. The future of GPL is what we, the community, will do of it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

You can do this, in theory, in Win98 if you either move your monitor back and forth to the correct display when it switches or get two montitors and just have two space hogs on your desk. Myself I would love to get a new Sony Flat Screen as a second monitor. :-) Like I am that rich! Actually I was thinking of one of those boxes that allows two monitors, keyboards, mice, and run them to the basement and make a simulation station. That way it can be setup and ready to go when ever I am want to race. I might also be able to keep my back from hurting while racing. SLG "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The V3 "will" do 2D also, but unless I'm sorely mistaken you can add a PCI >V3 and use it in addition to your current AGP card. The site that quoted >the sales success of the V3-2000 PCI (which escapes me at the moment) stated >just that as the reason. > >Cheers, > >Steve B. > >Soren Sarstrup <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8e4h2f$cqq$[email hidden]... >> <snip interesting voodoo stuff> >> >> > The best-selling Voodoo3 at the moment (I think) is the V3-2000 PCI, >which >> > will work alongside your AGP card and will run GPL nicely. >> >> Erm, excuse me for being ignorant, but I thought the V3 was a >"full-service" >> card, i.e. 2D stuff as well. Is it really possible to run a V3 alongside, >> say, a Nvidia or Matrox AGP card? >> >> Yours most baffledly, >> >> Soren Sarstrup >> Birmingham UK >> >> > >

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Of course they won't, since Sierra are a commercial organisation. It's not as if Microsoft would bug-fix (or hand out the source to) Word 6! I suppose even if Papy/Sierra released the source to rastogl.dll it wouldn't exactly help, since we would need to know how it fits into GPL, and they probably won't release essential API docs. Mmmnnn... perhaps if they released all the rasteriser code, we could compare the 3dfx one... Hopefully a beautifully-optimised D3D rasteriser. -- Richard. "Will you still need me, will you still feed me. When I'm sixty-four."

On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 05:57:33 GMT, ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote: > >The future of GPL is what we, the community, will do of it. > A good start would be some devoted cracker breaking into their systems and releasing the source on the net. Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61