It's just you ;-)
Try the primary download sites as the mirrors are not updated for a day or two.
That's how mirrors work.
Jason.
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NASCAR Legends demo released months after the game
Posters noted that a NASCAR Legends demo appeared long after the full game had been released, which several called backwards marketing. Others discussed whether the demo tracks such as Riverside could be used with Dave Noonan's track converter for GPL and the licensing questions involved, and complained about broken download mirrors.
Automated summary.
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:53:24 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml
Well, this makes sense. Let's see, we'll release NL two months
*after* the highly-anticipated N3 (not before, so we might get some
antsy N3 buyers to buy it in the meantime). It doesn't seem to be
selling well, so we'll include it in a bundle with N3(got it already)
and CTS(unwanted, even by the retailers). Oh, and maybe we'll release
a demo, six months after it hit the shelves.
Are the Sierra beancounters total morons?!?
This is a serious question! - you explain why you release a demo
after the software's been out for six months and been put into a
bargain bundle...
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:46:07 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa)
wrote:
>Oh wait a moment, this is a demo from the same Nascar Legends released
>a couple of month ago? O-k... I expected it to be another Nascar
>Legends from another era...
Was this NL demo available earlier? If so I guess I missed it. I
just looked at the www.papy.com News page and only saw the N3 demo in
January and the N3/NL/Daytona program demo in February, no mention of
a downloadable NL demo. If so, I guess they're not *total* morons. ;)
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
[link lost in import]
>However, if Sierra -- the publisher, not some warez f##k -- were to make a
>free, legal demo available with Riverside included, I would happily AND
>LEGALLY get the best of both worlds. I see no inconsistency there. Dimwit.
In the farcical attempt to partake in this elevated discussion of the
legal merits of obtaining tracks for use with games other those for which it
was originally intended, I offer:
I'd bet Papy's license doesn't allow the use of any track with a game
for which it wasn't intended. Not that I myself wouldn't partake of that...
I'm merely pointing out that the main thrust of your argument was that it
would be LEGAL by the mere fact that Papy was the originator of the track;
which of course wouldn't be the case, because they never intended NL's
Riverside to be used with ANYTHING other than NL.
I don't disagree with your intention, I disagree with your argument.
Besides, it's all moot anyway: you can get NL for about $8 (counting $6
for cereal you'd eat anyway!). Got mine while I was on vacation!
Gunner
> I don't disagree with your intention, I disagree with your argument.
You made an interesting point -- and one beyond my knowledge of Licenses,
Don.
Yeah, I know that, too. But I hate Cheerios, man! And I hate going to the
grocery store, and clipping out UPCs and all that crap. So I'll continue to
suffer with one less track because I'm an inertia-laden Cheerios-hater.
And YOU'RE certainly not a dimwit.
Regards,
Kurt
Do you have the "In Car 956" video? It really helped me at the Ring.
Plus you get Brands Hatch, Kyalami, Spa (new) and Silverstone (kinda
useless). And Le Mans, which is actually my favorite. I've watched it
a million times and I'm still amazed at the speed on the Mulsane.
-Tony-
I'm about NASCAR'ed out for the moment and I still haven't come
Is it Nascar 3 with old cars? Thanks, I'll pass this one.
Except if Noonan is going to use some Nascar Legends tracks for his
converter :)
Andre
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:53:24 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml
>
>
Oh wait a moment, this is a demo from the same Nascar Legends released
a couple of month ago? O-k... I expected it to be another Nascar
Legends from another era...
Andre
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:35:39 GMT, [email hidden] (Jeff Vincent)
wrote:
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>On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:53:24 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml > > Well, this makes sense. Let's see, we'll release NL two months >*after* the highly-anticipated N3 (not before, so we might get some >antsy N3 buyers to buy it in the meantime). It doesn't seem to be >selling well, so we'll include it in a bundle with N3(got it already) >and CTS(unwanted, even by the retailers). Oh, and maybe we'll release >a demo, six months after it hit the shelves. > > Are the Sierra beancounters total morons?!? > > This is a serious question! - you explain why you release a demo >after the software's been out for six months and been put into a >bargain bundle... > >"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was >nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into >a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim ClarkI misunderstood the earlier post, I thought another, different Nascar
Legends was released...
Andre
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:08:25 -0400, "Gault"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Is it Nascar 3 with old cars? Thanks, I'll pass this one. >> Except if Noonan is going to use some Nascar Legends tracks for his >> converter :) > >He already did, and Riverside alone is worth having IMO. >
Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Is it Nascar 3 with old cars? Thanks, I'll pass this one.
> Except if Noonan is going to use some Nascar Legends tracks for his
> converter :)
He already did, and Riverside alone is worth having IMO.
Jeff Vincent wrote in message <[email hidden]>...
Absolutely agree! What backwards, dumb-ass marketing!
But the question is, does the demo contain Riverside, so I can get a free
copy of that track?
Kurt
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>On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:53:24 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml > > Well, this makes sense. Let's see, we'll release NL two months >*after* the highly-anticipated N3 (not before, so we might get some >antsy N3 buyers to buy it in the meantime). It doesn't seem to be >selling well, so we'll include it in a bundle with N3(got it already) >and CTS(unwanted, even by the retailers). Oh, and maybe we'll release >a demo, six months after it hit the shelves. > > Are the Sierra beancounters total morons?!? > I have just one word for you. SUPERBIRDS, DAYTONAs, and Riverside.
(sorry I lied)
Yes it feels very similar to N3, the setups are somewhat looser, you
have to alter your lines slightly to stay off the wall but just the
novelty of driving a FREAKIN Quarter Mile Track that makes Bristol look
like a SuperSpeedway is amazing....:)
If you can find it cheap...bite....better yet, sell your N3 and get
the Acceleration pak. The Papy version of Portland Int. Raceway for the
trucks is probably Papy's best road course effort to date.
dave henrie
Andre Warringa wrote:
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> > Is it Nascar 3 with old cars? Thanks, I'll pass this one. > Except if Noonan is going to use some Nascar Legends tracks for his > converter :) > > Andre > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:53:24 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml > > > >
Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Oh wait a moment, this is a demo from the same Nascar Legends released
> a couple of month ago? O-k... I expected it to be another Nascar
> Legends from another era...
It's been more than a couple of months. It seems that I've had my copy for
at least six months now, which is quite a lag time to be releasing a demo
version.
I think the original poster means that if you want to increase sales and the
general "buzz" about a product at the outset, you should have a demo
available well before the game gets bundled into a software collection.
Maybe it isn't the case in the Netherlands, but they're already selling
bundled versions of N3, NL, and the truck add-on here in the US for a
reduced price.
As it is I've spent about $90 for N3 and NL and I might shell out more $ for
the truck pack. This is kind of self-defeating in a way, since I'm buying
more of a product which I'm not as enthused about. So long as I keep doing
this, Papy is bound to keep selling NASCAR titles and little else since I
and others keep buying them. Good marketing for them, but not really what I
want. I'd gladly pay more for a GPL2 or a ICR3. Heck, I'd pay $90 for GPL2
alone right now. Instead I'm seriously considering skipping N4 when it
comes out. I'm about NASCAR'ed out for the moment and I still haven't come
close to running a decent time at the Ring.
Poopy Face wrote in message ...
Thanks, poop! Being called a clown by you is a real honor!
Since you appear to be a little thick, let me explain the disctinction here
...
My statement (which you accurately quoted above, thanks) had to do with Dave
Noonan's convertor. I wanted that, and I paid for it. I would also like to
have Nascar Legends, simply for the Riverside track. So far, I have "lived
without" the track, since I haven't wanted to spend the dollars.
However, if Sierra -- the publisher, not some warez f##k -- were to make a
free, legal demo available with Riverside included, I would happily AND
LEGALLY get the best of both worlds. I see no inconsistency there. Dimwit.
Kurt
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>>But the question is, does the demo contain Riverside, so I can get a free >>copy of that track? > >Wasn't it you who said to Gra Dee 5 days ago in the famous warez >thread : > >"Otherwise, since it has a price attached to it, pay it. Or live >without it." > >SOME GUYS HERE ARE REAL CLOWNS >Is this a joke?
once again 3DFILES.COM is claiming to have a demo when infact it has nothing
but broken links........
Is it just me or is this only with *every* demo they have???
.
Jeff Vincent <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:53:24 GMT, "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml > > Well, this makes sense. Let's see, we'll release NL two months > *after* the highly-anticipated N3 (not before, so we might get some > antsy N3 buyers to buy it in the meantime). It doesn't seem to be > selling well, so we'll include it in a bundle with N3(got it already) > and CTS(unwanted, even by the retailers). Oh, and maybe we'll release > a demo, six months after it hit the shelves. > > Are the Sierra beancounters total morons?!? > > This is a serious question! - you explain why you release a demo > after the software's been out for six months and been put into a > bargain bundle... > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> I misunderstood the earlier post, I thought another, different Nascar
> Legends was released...
Gotcha. BTW, Riverside is a blast if you don't have it yet. :-)
Which track is in the demo?
Cheers
Phil
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http://www.youpies.co.uk
I know, together with Seca, the old Sears and IMS they are the best
tracks from the converted tracks! Too bad that Riverside isn't the
complete Riverside circuit.
Andre
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:45:12 -0400, "Gault"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I misunderstood the earlier post, I thought another, different Nascar >> Legends was released... > >Gotcha. BTW, Riverside is a blast if you don't have it yet. :-) > >
The Drongo formely known as Poopy Face wrote in message ...
>>Thanks, poop! Being called a clown by you is a real honor!
>
>Please note that my name has changed,
>
>>Since you appear to be a little thick, let me explain the disctinctionhere
>>...
>
>Only some parts of me are thick, guess which ?
>
>>My statement (which you accurately quoted above, thanks) had to do withDave
>>Noonan's convertor. I wanted that, and I paid for it. I would also liketo
>>have Nascar Legends, simply for the Riverside track. So far, I have"lived
>>without" the track, since I haven't wanted to spend the dollars.
>>
>>However, if Sierra -- the publisher, not some warez f##k -- were to make a
>>free, legal demo available with Riverside included, I would happily AND
>>LEGALLY get the best of both worlds. I see no inconsistency there.Dimwit.
or
Well, you got me there. Guess I never should have taken on a licensing
expert! Glad you could set me straight.
My bad.
Kurt
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> >I don't think the license allow it to be use this way. I personnaly >have nothing against it, but since you seems to be against piracy, >just practice what you preach ! > >This is taken from EULA.TXT : > >>A. Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in >>whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, >>derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create >>derivative works based on the Program, or remove any proprietary noticesQuoted text (9 lines)
>>labels on the Program without the prior consent, in writing, of Sierra. > >It makes your statement illegal, it also makes Noonans converter >illegal, more again because he charges for it. > >What you think is : I pirat what arrange me, and will jump on the back >of those who pirat what I paid for.... fine... fine..... fine... >what have I said already ? a clown..... >Yep indeed it is.....Just wait for Nascar 389....should have it just about
right by then.
Lasted about 20 mins on my pooter,thank heavens for the uninstall....
If you haven't bothered to get it,don't bother.Waste of d/load time....
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> Is it Nascar 3 with old cars? Thanks, I'll pass this one. > Except if Noonan is going to use some Nascar Legends tracks for his > converter :) > Andre > >http://3dfiles.com/games/nascarlegends.shtml
Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Do you have the "In Car 956" video? It really helped me at the Ring.
Thanks- I've heard about this video but haven't picked it up yet. I hadn't
really considered its use as a training tool for GPL before. :-)
The Drongo formely known as Poopy Face wrote:
How do you know that David Noonan doesn't have Sierra's consent ?
Beers and cheers
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> > This is taken from EULA.TXT : > > >A. Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in > >whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, > >derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create > >derivative works based on the Program, or remove any proprietary notices or > >labels on the Program without the prior consent, in writing, of Sierra. > > It makes your statement illegal, it also makes Noonans converter > illegal, more again because he charges for it.> Try the primary download sites as the mirrors are not updated for a day ortwo.
> That's how mirrors work.
Yes but an time I try to download something the link is bad.
Even the odd time I've managed to download something, at enormous expenses
and time on a 33k modem....... the freekin' thing has damaged files or
something, avault seems to dislike me:-)
I tried the 3 primary sites before responding and they started to download (I
did cancel them).
Umm. Guess it's just one of those things :-(
Jason.
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> > Try the primary download sites as the mirrors are not updated for a day or > two. > > That's how mirrors work. > > Yes but an time I try to download something the link is bad. > > Even the odd time I've managed to download something, at enormous expenses > and time on a 33k modem....... the freekin' thing has damaged files or > something, avault seems to dislike me:-)On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:45:42 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
Yes, Noonan's product has a synergetic effect, although technically it
would perhaps not be fully legal. But it enhances any sales that are
left for GPL, so Sierra probably won't mind.
It's a bit like games such as Quake; those RELY on 3rd party stuff,
whether legal or not, well, that's up to the community.
Ruud van Gaal
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