GPL is best, so are the Beatles...

I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. God, I hope N4 or GP3 can give GPL a hard enough punch in the belly to make it go away for at least a couple of months. =8^/ Tim

Try 'back in the USA ' by MC5... I think that will help get everything back into perspective... jv Tim O. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads > re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. > It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. > > God, I hope N4 or GP3 can give GPL a hard enough punch in the belly to > make it go away for at least a couple of months. =8^/ > > Tim >

>I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads >re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. >It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. It's not old to me. I waited until it was in the bargain bin and bought it (along with LWFF). Just an phenomonal game. I think that GP3 could essentially wipe GPL out of the newsgroup late this summer. The game will then be two years old.

"Tim O." <[email hidden]> wrote > I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads > re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. > It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. Ain't anything other to talk about. Unless you want us to shout "SOS 1937 is the Best!" ;-) Quite like the endless loop of the B side of the Ummagumma LP (Alan Psychadelic's breakfast). It's made so you fall asleep. Eh. > God, I hope N4 or GP3 can give GPL a hard enough punch in the belly to > make it go away for at least a couple of months. =8^/ Any future title by Papyrus that will use the new game engine will probably be technically superior to GPL in every aspect of the simulator. There is a good chance that GP3 will also be superior in the majority of aspects. But since GPL was so ahead of it's time, it will be kept in many people's heart as if it's something special, unique. Like people still race F1GP today! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

beatles are brillent still! so is GPL Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Would you care to make a small wager on that? :-) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I think that GP3 could essentially wipe GPL out of the newsgroup late > > this summer. The game will then be two years old. > > > >

what are you stupid beatles would kick there sorry asses Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LDMN4.247$[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:20:22 -0400 Tim O. <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the Beatles.... > Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> > > % I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads > % re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. > % It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. > > % God, I hope N4 or GP3 can give GPL a hard enough punch in the belly to > % make it go away for at least a couple of months. =8^/ > > % Tim > > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

> The same handful And I'll always think of you as our genetically inbred sixth finger ;-) Andrew McP... off to find a cousin to sleep with (does Elle McPherson have any cousins?)

When GP2 came out it used '94 data. Didn't stop it being the best sim around =) Geoff Crammond has promised a season patch every year so there is still hope!!! ...Colin Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ea3d2$rst$[email hidden]... > The difference is that GPL intends to be a historical racing sim. GP3 is > trying to be contemporary, but will fail in that respect because OTB it'll > use 1998 data. Kinda like playing European Air war in Gloster Gladiators

>You're right. The same handful of guys will go on and on and on and on about >GPL no matter what. And no doubt the same sad little individual will do everything he can to fail to wind them up :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

> I know GPL is great, but I know what you mean. Sometimes I even wish GPL wasn't so good, that it wasn't so easy to get enthusiastic even after two years.... then I tell myself to stop being so bl**dy stupid! :-> The horrible truth is that the more you put into GPL, even if it's only a hour at a time here and there, the more you get out, which is why we get the endless stream of postings. The sky's the limit with GPL!... Well, it is at the Pants ring anyway :-) Andrew McP

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:22:51 GMT, "Michael E. Carver" [email hidden] wrote: >On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:20:22 -0400 Tim O. <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the Beatles.... >Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> <shudder> Time to pack my bags and head by to my home planet. Heh. Tim

N4 I'm willing to believe...GP3?? -Nah, don't want to start that discussion again. ;-) Jan. =--- Tim O. wrote...

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> I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads > re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. > It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. > > God, I hope N4 or GP3 can give GPL a hard enough punch in the belly to > make it go away for at least a couple of months. =8^/ > > Tim >

Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the Beatles.... Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> % I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads % re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. % It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. % God, I hope N4 or GP3 can give GPL a hard enough punch in the belly to % make it go away for at least a couple of months. =8^/ % Tim -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

% I think that GP3 could essentially wipe GPL out of the newsgroup late % this summer. The game will then be two years old. However, some of us will still need a good dose of on-line racing and it looks like GPL will still be filling that itch for some time to come. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

> I think that GP3 could essentially wipe GPL out of the newsgroup late > this summer. The game will then be two years old. Why would we start talking about it...6 months before it's released? :) :) :) dave henrie

I'm glad to hear that! I'm doing fine. Regards, Remco

Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > GP3 won't, simply because of the completely different physics between them > and the eras modelled. Even if the physics engines were identical, the > "feel" of GPL over GP3 would be like comparing chalk and cheese. My feelings exactly. I don't expect to be sliding through corners with 4 wheel drift in GP3, which is a large part of the charm of GPL. Since the cars handle so differently, straight up comparisons aren't really in order. For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to European Air War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly different. I really do hope that GP3 is a marvelous sim, and this isn't just some blind GPL loyalty. But I don't expect GP3 to wipe GPL off the board regardless of how great it might prove to be.

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> Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > GP3 won't, simply because of the completely different physics between them > > and the eras modelled. Even if the physics engines were identical, the > > "feel" of GPL over GP3 would be like comparing chalk and cheese. > > My feelings exactly. I don't expect to be sliding through corners with 4 > wheel drift in GP3, which is a large part of the charm of GPL. Since the > cars handle so differently, straight up comparisons aren't really in order.

Very good points. I just hope that GP3 will give me an impression of driving a hi-tech formula-1 car, something i think F1 2000 have some problems of doing. GPL really make me feel that i'm strapped into a rocket going way to fast for my own good. > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to European Air > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly different. A better analogy is to compare a WW2 sim with a modern jet-sim, isn't it ? > I really do hope that GP3 is a marvelous sim, and this isn't just some blind > GPL loyalty. But I don't expect GP3 to wipe GPL off the board regardless of > how great it might prove to be. No, but I hope every time when a new sim is released that it will show GPL where my shelf is, but with no internet-play and FF i fear that GP3 might not be the one. I'd love to be proven wrong, since the rest of it looks very promising. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

>Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote:(snipped) >> "Gault" <[email hidden]> writes: > > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to EuropeanAir > > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikinglydifferent. > > A better analogy is to compare a WW2 sim with a modern jet-sim, isn't it ? I might have said so, but by the time they finally get GP3 out the door both it and GPL will be dealing with historical seasons. :-)

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> >Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote: > (snipped) > >> "Gault" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to European > Air > > > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly > different. > > > > A better analogy is to compare a WW2 sim with a modern jet-sim, isn't it ? > > I might have said so, but by the time they finally get GP3 out the door both > it and GPL will be dealing with historical seasons. :-)

Of course, why didn't i think of that. :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >GP3 won't, simply because of the completely different physics between them >and the eras modelled. Aha, so that's why I gained 20 Kilo! <g> Remco

You're right. The same handful of guys will go on and on and on and on about GPL no matter what. David G Fisher "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8e9cta$dgh$[email hidden]... > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > GP3 won't, simply because of the completely different physics betweenthem > > and the eras modelled. Even if the physics engines were identical, the > > "feel" of GPL over GP3 would be like comparing chalk and cheese. > > My feelings exactly. I don't expect to be sliding through corners with 4 > wheel drift in GP3, which is a large part of the charm of GPL. Since the > cars handle so differently, straight up comparisons aren't really inorder. > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to EuropeanAir > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly different. > > I really do hope that GP3 is a marvelous sim, and this isn't just someblind > GPL loyalty. But I don't expect GP3 to wipe GPL off the board regardlessof > how great it might prove to be. > >

The difference is that GPL intends to be a historical racing sim. GP3 is trying to be contemporary, but will fail in that respect because OTB it'll use 1998 data. Kinda like playing European Air war in Gloster Gladiators Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Gault" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > >Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote: > > (snipped) > > >> "Gault" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D toEuropean > > Air > > > > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly > > different. > > > > > > A better analogy is to compare a WW2 sim with a modern jet-sim, isn'tit ? > > > > I might have said so, but by the time they finally get GP3 out the doorboth

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> > it and GPL will be dealing with historical seasons. :-) > > Of course, why didn't i think of that. :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: <Snipperdesnipsnipsnapperdesnap> Hi David, I hope you're ok? Regards, Remco

[email hidden] (David G Fisher) wrote in <Wf0O4.155602$[email hidden]>: >You're right. The same handful of guys will go on and on and on and >on about GPL no matter what. > >David G Fisher I'd certainly count you as one of them. Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

Better than ever. And how are you? David G Fisher "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <Snipperdesnipsnipsnapperdesnap> > > Hi David, > > I hope you're ok? > > Regards, > > Remco > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Better than ever. I'm glad to hear that! >And how are you? I'm doing fine. Regards, Remco

GP3 won't, simply because of the completely different physics between them and the eras modelled. Even if the physics engines were identical, the "feel" of GPL over GP3 would be like comparing chalk and cheese. N4 might....depending upon how far Papyrus go with the physics. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Tim O. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > I know GPL is great, but constantly seeing the "GPL is Best!" threads > re-hashed is like being caught in an endless loop of Back In The USSR. > It's fun for a while, but now it's old and tired. > > God, I hope N4 or GP3 can give GPL a hard enough punch in the belly to > make it go away for at least a couple of months. =8^/ > > Tim >

Would you care to make a small wager on that? :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I think that GP3 could essentially wipe GPL out of the newsgroup late > this summer. The game will then be two years old. >

> I'm not volunteering to sleep with you Hehe, I didn't think you were :-) Andrew McP

Free form jams. Those were the days <G> I saw the GD many years ago. Mr Garcia comes onstage and proceeds to tale 20 minutes to tune his guitar before they kick into gear. There was a big grey area where it was impossible to determine where the tuning up ended and the music actually started <G> MS "Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfb09d$519f1f40$0100007f@ronayton...

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> > Michael E. Carver [email hidden] wrote in article > > > > Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the > Beatles.... > > Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> > > > > **************************** Michael E. Carver > > > > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > > > Truckin' & Casey Jones spring immediately to mind. :)) > > Cheers, > Ron >

Gault <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8e9cta$dgh$[email hidden]... > My feelings exactly. I don't expect to be sliding through corners with 4 > wheel drift in GP3, which is a large part of the charm of GPL. Since the > cars handle so differently, straight up comparisons aren't really inorder. > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to EuropeanAir > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly different. Ah... but you will be sliding through corners with 4 wheel drift. But the margin for error is much tighter. The speed is higher and the car goes away more quickly. He did pretty good with the physics of GP2 and there's no way the graphical perpective of GP3 could be half as bad as GPL. If he's Geoff, I think we'll see a terrific sense of acceleration and speed, and hopefully, bumps and twitchyness. > I really do hope that GP3 is a marvelous sim, and this isn't just someblind > GPL loyalty. But I don't expect GP3 to wipe GPL off the board regardlessof > how great it might prove to be. GP3 got no online. -- Mark Jeangerard www.soundchaserweb.com New Mexico, USA

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> > > The same handful > > And I'll always think of you as our genetically inbred sixth finger ;-) > > Andrew McP... off to find a cousin to sleep with (does Elle McPherson have > any cousins?)

If she doesn't, I'd like to volunteer for that position, I'm sure I've had some relatives move to wherever she's from at some point in time :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Hehe, I didn't think you were :-) Andrew McP

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> > Andrew MacPherson wrote: > > > > > The same handful > > > > And I'll always think of you as our genetically inbred sixth finger ;-) > > > > Andrew McP... off to find a cousin to sleep with (does Elle McPherson have > > any cousins?) > > If she doesn't, I'd like to volunteer for that position, I'm sure I've > had some relatives move to wherever she's from at some point in time :-)

Ok, that didn't come out the way it was meant to.... Andrew, I'm not volunteering to sleep with you in place of Elle's missing cousins :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > She has a gorgeous sister (Mimi)!! Dunno about her cousins....if any, > they're bound to be blokes! Did Mimi's phone number get lost in the famous "Black Book Incident" as well ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Michael E. Carver [email hidden] wrote in article > > Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than theBeatles.... > Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> > > **************************** Michael E. Carver > > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. Truckin' & Casey Jones spring immediately to mind. :)) Cheers, Ron

Didn't one of the Beatles say they were better than Jesus or sg at one point? +Q Md "m.seery" wrote:

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> > Free form jams. Those were the days <G> > > I saw the GD many years ago. Mr Garcia comes onstage and proceeds to tale 20 > minutes to tune his guitar before they kick into gear. There was a big grey > area where it was impossible to determine where the tuning up ended and the > music actually started <G> > > MS > > "Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:01bfb09d$519f1f40$0100007f@ronayton... > > > > Michael E. Carver [email hidden] wrote in article > > > > > > Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the > > Beatles.... > > > Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> > > > > > > **************************** Michael E. Carver > > > > > > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > > > > > > Truckin' & Casey Jones spring immediately to mind. :)) > > > > Cheers, > > Ron > >

John Lennon said something to the effect: that the Beatles were more POPULAR than God... and at that point in time he may very well have been correct. dave henrie Martyn Danby wrote:

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> > Didn't one of the Beatles say they were better than Jesus or sg at one > point? +Q > > Md > > "m.seery" wrote: > > > > Free form jams. Those were the days <G> > > > > I saw the GD many years ago. Mr Garcia comes onstage and proceeds to tale 20 > > minutes to tune his guitar before they kick into gear. There was a big grey > > area where it was impossible to determine where the tuning up ended and the > > music actually started <G> > > > > MS > > > > "Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:01bfb09d$519f1f40$0100007f@ronayton... > > > > > > Michael E. Carver [email hidden] wrote in article > > > > > > > > Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the > > > Beatles.... > > > > Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> > > > > > > > > **************************** Michael E. Carver > > > > > > > > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > > > > > > > > > Truckin' & Casey Jones spring immediately to mind. :)) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Ron > > >

Quite right about it being John Lennon. The actual quote was "We are more famous than God" Cheers MS "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> John Lennon said something to the effect: that the Beatles were more > POPULAR than God... and at that point in time he may very well have > been correct. > dave henrie > > Martyn Danby wrote: > > > > Didn't one of the Beatles say they were better than Jesus or sg at one > > point? +Q > > > > Md > > > > "m.seery" wrote: > > > > > > Free form jams. Those were the days <G> > > > > > > I saw the GD many years ago. Mr Garcia comes onstage and proceeds to

tale 20 > > > minutes to tune his guitar before they kick into gear. There was a biggrey > > > area where it was impossible to determine where the tuning up endedand the

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> > > music actually started <G> > > > > > > MS > > > > > > "Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:01bfb09d$519f1f40$0100007f@ronayton... > > > > > > > > Michael E. Carver [email hidden] wrote in article > > > > > > > > > > Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the > > > > Beatles.... > > > > > Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> > > > > > > > > > > **************************** Michael E. Carver > > > > > > > > > > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Truckin' & Casey Jones spring immediately to mind. :)) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ron > > > >

Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ummm....GP3 will STILL be representative of contemporary F1, in comparison > to GPL, of course. > Changes to the formula between 1998 and 2000 are miniscule. Changes tothe > drivers equally so. > Therefore, compared to both the formula and the drivers of the 1967, GP3is

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> certainly "contemporary". > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- >

It will be contemporary in the fact that it models a 'modern' formula 1 car, I concede that, but it'll still be out of date: Car performance data will be old, liveries will be old, etc. Perhaps most importantly will it include the latest circuits? OK, will it include Indy? I am going to be spending a lot of time with the demo, when it comes out, comparing it to F12k and old crock MGPRS2. I'm sceptical: Geoff Crammond is'nt God, and GP3 is likely to lack a number of features. It had better be damn good before I spend hard-earned cash on it.

David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wf0O4.155602$[email hidden]... > You're right. The same handful of guys will go on and on and on and onabout > GPL no matter what. > > David G Fisher Ho, not me! I've seen the light! these blinkered fools cling to GPL, but I have Spirit of Speed! I say to you one and all: This is the sim you have waited for! Join me, and consign GPL's stinking carcass to the auto sim graveyard whence it came

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes > John Lennon said something to the effect: that the Beatles were more >POPULAR than God... Didn't he get into trouble for claiming that the Beatles were more real than GPL? -- Russell Whitworth - If you need my email address, you'll have to visit my website (sorry) - - Home ==> http://www.anchorag.demon.co.uk/ - - Work ==> http://www.questus.co.uk/ -

Actually, I think the quote was more on the lines of an off-the-cuff "We're bigger than Jesus." I'm too lazy to look it up right now, so I offer it provisionally. But I remember it in part because a more-or-less funny book came out in the mid-to-late 70's which was a "what-if-the-Beatles-reunited" kind of thing, and in it, it turns out that what John *actually* meant when he said "we're bigger" was that they were *taller* than Jesus. Ha ha. Anyhow, I'm sorry to say that in my area of the USA (the south), good ol' boys and their lil' wimmin promptly organized Beatle-Burning parties (well, Beatle *record* burning parties). Evidently, that whole experience really shook Lennon. Lots of rabid hate-mail and so forth . . . --DK "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BPiO4.1402$[email hidden]...

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> Quite right about it being John Lennon. > The actual quote was "We are more famous than God" > > Cheers > > MS > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > John Lennon said something to the effect: that the Beatles were more > > POPULAR than God... and at that point in time he may very well have > > been correct. > > dave henrie > > > > Martyn Danby wrote: > > > > > > Didn't one of the Beatles say they were better than Jesus or sg at one > > > point? +Q > > > > > > Md > > > > > > "m.seery" wrote: > > > > > > > > Free form jams. Those were the days <G> > > > > > > > > I saw the GD many years ago. Mr Garcia comes onstage and proceeds to > tale 20 > > > > minutes to tune his guitar before they kick into gear. There was a

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> grey > > > > area where it was impossible to determine where the tuning up ended > and the > > > > music actually started <G> > > > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > "Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:01bfb09d$519f1f40$0100007f@ronayton... > > > > > > > > > > Michael E. Carver [email hidden] wrote in article > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually the Grateful Dead where (and are) better than the > > > > > Beatles.... > > > > > > Sorry to burst that bubble..... <G> > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************** Michael E. Carver > > > > > > > > > > > > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in > town. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truckin' & Casey Jones spring immediately to mind. :)) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Ron > > > > > > >

Actually, none of us have been playing GPL since the end of 1998. The takeover of the newsgroup, WInVroc, etc., was all a big hoax (initiated by Y2K Rick--good job Rick!), done simply to get your goat. Ha! HA!, I say! We really had you going there, David Gee. So . . . guys, let's call off the charade now. You've all been very good, very convincing. But after all, summer's here! It's time for mayonnaise! ---DK "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wf0O4.155602$[email hidden]... > You're right. The same handful of guys will go on and on and on and onabout

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> GPL no matter what. > > David G Fisher > > > "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8e9cta$dgh$[email hidden]... > > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > GP3 won't, simply because of the completely different physics between > them > > > and the eras modelled. Even if the physics engines were identical,

the > > > "feel" of GPL over GP3 would be like comparing chalk and cheese. > > > > My feelings exactly. I don't expect to be sliding through corners with4 > > wheel drift in GP3, which is a large part of the charm of GPL. Sincethe > > cars handle so differently, straight up comparisons aren't really in > order. > > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to European > Air > > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikinglydifferent. > > > > I really do hope that GP3 is a marvelous sim, and this isn't just some > blind > > GPL loyalty. But I don't expect GP3 to wipe GPL off the boardregardless > of > > how great it might prove to be. > > > > >

Let's rephrase that slightly just to get some accuracy into it, shall we? How about "The same handful of guys will go on and on and on and on about GPL until something is produced that surpasses it". There. That's MUCH better! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wf0O4.155602$[email hidden]... > You're right. The same handful of guys will go on and on and on and on about > GPL no matter what. > > David G Fisher > > > "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8e9cta$dgh$[email hidden]... > > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > GP3 won't, simply because of the completely different physics between > them > > > and the eras modelled. Even if the physics engines were identical, the > > > "feel" of GPL over GP3 would be like comparing chalk and cheese. > > > > My feelings exactly. I don't expect to be sliding through corners with 4 > > wheel drift in GP3, which is a large part of the charm of GPL. Since the > > cars handle so differently, straight up comparisons aren't really in > order. > > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to European > Air > > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly different. > > > > I really do hope that GP3 is a marvelous sim, and this isn't just some > blind > > GPL loyalty. But I don't expect GP3 to wipe GPL off the board regardless > of > > how great it might prove to be. > > > > >

Ummm....GP3 will STILL be representative of contemporary F1, in comparison to GPL, of course. Changes to the formula between 1998 and 2000 are miniscule. Changes to the drivers equally so. Therefore, compared to both the formula and the drivers of the 1967, GP3 is certainly "contemporary". -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ea3d2$rst$[email hidden]... > The difference is that GPL intends to be a historical racing sim. GP3 is > trying to be contemporary, but will fail in that respect because OTB it'll > use 1998 data. Kinda like playing European Air war in Gloster Gladiators > > Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Gault" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > >Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > (snipped) > > > >> "Gault" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > For you flight sim fans, it'd be like comparing Red Baron 3D to > European > > > Air > > > > > War. Both are great sims, but the subject matter is strikingly > > > different. > > > > > > > > A better analogy is to compare a WW2 sim with a modern jet-sim, isn't > it ? > > > > > > I might have said so, but by the time they finally get GP3 out the door > both > > > it and GPL will be dealing with historical seasons. :-) > > > > Of course, why didn't i think of that. :) > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove spam when replying > >

She has a gorgeous sister (Mimi)!! Dunno about her cousins....if any, they're bound to be blokes! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andrew MacPherson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Andrew McP... off to find a cousin to sleep with (does Elle McPherson have > any cousins?)

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Here you go, Uncle. > http://freespace.virgin.net/mys.tiko/mimi.html Mmmmm..........Mimi Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Here you go, Uncle. http://freespace.***.net/mys.tiko/mimi.html -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > I WISH!!! :-) > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Did Mimi's phone number get lost in the famous "Black Book Incident" as > > well ? > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

> Here you go, Uncle. > http://freespace.***.net/mys.tiko/mimi.html Mmmmm..........Mimi Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

I may be dating myself but John Lennon stated that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus in response to a question posed by a reporter who asked him to account for their huge following. And considering the number of their fans at the time this was correct as they transcended beyond the christian world. But unfortunately, the religious right took it out of context and declared them persona non grata and the album smashing and bon fires started! Lennon was left at a total loss for what followed as he had in no way intended to imply the Beatles where more important than Christ or Christianity. Pete "Martyn Danby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Didn't one of the Beatles say they were better than Jesus or sg at one > point? +Q > > > Md

I WISH!!! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Did Mimi's phone number get lost in the famous "Black Book Incident" as > well ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Well.....we are all experts when it comes to judging what WE are happy with. For my money, if it's GP2 with accelerated graphics then that's enough for me, 1998 or not. Being a "GPx" product means that it won't be too long before car sets, driver sets, tracks sets, advertising sets, landscaping sets and, for all I know, underwear sets will start flooding the internet. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8eco2n$kol$[email hidden]... > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ummm....GP3 will STILL be representative of contemporary F1, in comparison > > to GPL, of course. > > Changes to the formula between 1998 and 2000 are miniscule. Changes to > the > > drivers equally so. > > Therefore, compared to both the formula and the drivers of the 1967, GP3 > is > > certainly "contemporary". > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > It will be contemporary in the fact that it models a 'modern' formula 1 car, > I concede that, but it'll still be out of date: Car performance data will be > old, liveries will be old, etc. Perhaps most importantly will it include the > latest circuits? OK, will it include Indy? > I am going to be spending a lot of time with the demo, when it comes out, > comparing it to F12k and old crock MGPRS2. I'm sceptical: Geoff Crammond > is'nt God, and GP3 is likely to lack a number of features. It had better be > damn good before I spend hard-earned cash on it. > >

Here you go, Uncle. http://freespace.virgin.net/mys.tiko/mimi.html -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:390a0b12$[email hidden]... > I WISH!!! :-) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Did Mimi's phone number get lost in the famous "Black Book Incident" as > > well ? > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com > >

Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well.....we are all experts when it comes to judging what WE are happywith. > For my money, if it's GP2 with accelerated graphics then that's enough for > me, 1998 or not. > > Being a "GPx" product means that it won't be too long before car sets, > driver sets, tracks sets, advertising sets, landscaping sets and, for allI

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> know, underwear sets will start flooding the internet. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

Hey! a chance to drive in Michael Scumacher's 2000 season underwear! Seriously, though, the developers should still do their utmost to get things spot -on before release. And GP3's suspected lack of multiplayer, and crap replays may not be fixed by a third party mod. As I've said, I shall wait and see.

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>> > And I'll always think of you as our genetically inbred sixth finger ;-) >> > >> > Andrew McP... off to find a cousin to sleep with (does Elle McPherson >have >> > any cousins?) >> >> If she doesn't, I'd like to volunteer for that position, I'm sure I've >> had some relatives move to wherever she's from at some point in time :-) > >Ok, that didn't come out the way it was meant to.... > >Andrew, I'm not volunteering to sleep with you in place of Elle's >missing cousins :-))) >

I started to ask you about that, but decided to let you off the hook...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Of course, now that her address is public knowledge, I can cross Mimi out of my LBB.........:-( -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Here you go, Uncle. > > http://freespace.virgin.net/mys.tiko/mimi.html > > Mmmmm..........Mimi > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Wrong... replays of online races can be just as exciting to watch as the real thing.;-) Jan. =--- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:390bd92f$[email hidden]... > Well, it's all so subjective, isn't it? I don't give a rat's posterior > about on-line play and as for replays, well........it's nice to see a lapor

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> two but as for watching half an hour of it....BORING!! :-) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > <snip>

No, nobody believed him. ;-) Jan. =--- Russell Whitworth wrote...

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> <snip> > Didn't he get into trouble for claiming that the Beatles were more real > than GPL? > > -- > Russell Whitworth > > - If you need my email address, you'll have to visit my website (sorry) - > - Home ==> http://www.anchorag.demon.co.uk/ - > - Work ==> http://www.questus.co.uk/ -

No, nobody believed him. ;-) Jan. =---

Well, it's all so subjective, isn't it? I don't give a rat's posterior about on-line play and as for replays, well........it's nice to see a lap or two but as for watching half an hour of it....BORING!! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ef72o$bv8$[email hidden]... > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well.....we are all experts when it comes to judging what WE are happy > with. > > For my money, if it's GP2 with accelerated graphics then that's enough for > > me, 1998 or not. > > > > Being a "GPx" product means that it won't be too long before car sets, > > driver sets, tracks sets, advertising sets, landscaping sets and, for all > I > > know, underwear sets will start flooding the internet. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > Hey! a chance to drive in Michael Scumacher's 2000 season underwear! > Seriously, though, the developers should still do their utmost to get things > spot -on before release. And GP3's suspected lack of multiplayer, and crap > replays may not be fixed by a third party mod. As I've said, I shall wait > and see. > >

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> I _DID_ say that it's "subjective", Jan. > I find it boring....you (and zillions of others) find it entertaining. > Okay? :-) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

What I find useful with replays is the fact that you can use them to analyse your driving, and, if you make a mistake, or crash, you can find out what you did wrong, and avoid doing it in future. I wasn't suggesting watching a whole race, but for example, analysing various lines through a corner can be done better with a replay than with any telemetry. The fact remains, as you say, many *do* want a replay facility that can allow many cameras, and plenty of runtime. It's not as if we're 'pushing the envelope' here, it can, and has been done. There is no excuse for not having the facility to record a race if you want to.

So Ace, are you saying then, that Iron Maiden would be a "Sim" band and the Beatles would be an "Arcade" band?<g> -- don "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... everything else is driver-error." "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ekl2r$22q$[email hidden]... > > Kieran Larkin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8e9ife$6fd$[email hidden]... > > what are you stupid beatles would kick there sorry asses > > Ladies and gentlemen, grammar and spelling have left the building. > Incidentally, Iron Maiden would "have" the Beatles "sorry arses" > >

I _DID_ say that it's "subjective", Jan. I find it boring....you (and zillions of others) find it entertaining. Okay? :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bISO4.68743$[email hidden]... > Wrong... replays of online races can be just as exciting to watch as the > real thing.;-) > > Jan. > =--- > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:390bd92f$[email hidden]... > > Well, it's all so subjective, isn't it? I don't give a rat's posterior > > about on-line play and as for replays, well........it's nice to see a lap > or > > two but as for watching half an hour of it....BORING!! :-) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > <snip> > >

We shall leave it at that, then

Kieran Larkin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8e9ife$6fd$[email hidden]... > what are you stupid beatles would kick there sorry asses Ladies and gentlemen, grammar and spelling have left the building. Incidentally, Iron Maiden would "have" the Beatles "sorry arses"

We shall leave it at that, then Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh....indeed many, many, many people enjoy the replay facility and I amnot, > in any way, shape or form, deriding their request, indeed, _REQUIREMENT_for > such a facility in any simulation. > > All that I am saying (for what seems to be the umpteenth time!) is that,to > _ME_, a replay utility has the same level of importance as on-line > play...........zero. It therefore has no bearing on whether I view a gameas

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> being worthy of consideration or not. > > I stress, once again, that's as far as _I_ am concerned. Me. Nobody > else....just me. I alone. :-) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

In article <8eldcg$aot$[email hidden]>, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes: >So Ace, are you saying then, that Iron Maiden would be a "Sim" band and the >Beatles would be an "Arcade" band?<g> >-- Actully, Iron Maiden would be a HARDCORE sim... :) -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Oh....indeed many, many, many people enjoy the replay facility and I am not, in any way, shape or form, deriding their request, indeed, _REQUIREMENT_ for such a facility in any simulation. All that I am saying (for what seems to be the umpteenth time!) is that, to _ME_, a replay utility has the same level of importance as on-line play...........zero. It therefore has no bearing on whether I view a game as being worthy of consideration or not. I stress, once again, that's as far as _I_ am concerned. Me. Nobody else....just me. I alone. :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8eice5$gbn$[email hidden]... > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I _DID_ say that it's "subjective", Jan. > > I find it boring....you (and zillions of others) find it entertaining. > > Okay? :-) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > What I find useful with replays is the fact that you can use them to analyse > your driving, and, if you make a mistake, or crash, you can find out what > you did wrong, and avoid doing it in future. I wasn't suggesting watching a > whole race, but for example, analysing various lines through a corner can > be done better with a replay than with any telemetry. The fact remains, as > you say, many *do* want a replay facility that can allow many cameras, and > plenty of runtime. It's not as if we're 'pushing the envelope' here, it can, > and has been done. There is no excuse for not having the facility to record > a race if you want to. > >

I personally like both bands. Since when was music a competitive sport anyway. As an art form, it's a subjective thing and if you have to come out with statements like this, I think you are missing the point entirely. MS "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ekl2r$22q$[email hidden]...

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> > Kieran Larkin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8e9ife$6fd$[email hidden]... > > what are you stupid beatles would kick there sorry asses > > Ladies and gentlemen, grammar and spelling have left the building. > Incidentally, Iron Maiden would "have" the Beatles "sorry arses" > >

No, I was just taking the***out of Mr Larkin's ill-informed (and poorly composed) comments

Very well........if you're sure. :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ekluc$2o2$[email hidden]... > We shall leave it at that, then > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Oh....indeed many, many, many people enjoy the replay facility and I am > not, > > in any way, shape or form, deriding their request, indeed, _REQUIREMENT_ > for > > such a facility in any simulation. > > > > All that I am saying (for what seems to be the umpteenth time!) is that, > to > > _ME_, a replay utility has the same level of importance as on-line > > play...........zero. It therefore has no bearing on whether I view a game > as > > being worthy of consideration or not. > > > > I stress, once again, that's as far as _I_ am concerned. Me. Nobody > > else....just me. I alone. :-) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > >

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > > > >Ok, that didn't come out the way it was meant to.... > > > >Andrew, I'm not volunteering to sleep with you in place of Elle's > >missing cousins :-))) > > > > I started to ask you about that, but decided to let you off the hook...<g>

Thx appreciated..:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Not as such, but Iron maiden have 6 members, and the beatles have three. Hardly a fair fight. Kinda like comparing GPL with NFS...Oops there I go :-) don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8eldcg$aot$[email hidden]... > So Ace, are you saying then, that Iron Maiden would be a "Sim" band andthe

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> Beatles would be an "Arcade" band?<g> > -- > don > > "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... > everything else is driver-error." > > "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ekl2r$22q$[email hidden]... > > > > Kieran Larkin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8e9ife$6fd$[email hidden]... > > > what are you stupid beatles would kick there sorry asses > > > > Ladies and gentlemen, grammar and spelling have left the building. > > Incidentally, Iron Maiden would "have" the Beatles "sorry arses" > > > > > >

m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RhwP4.4885$[email hidden]... > I personally like both bands. > > Since when was music a competitive sport anyway. As an art form, it's a > subjective thing and if you have to come out with statements like this, I > think you are missing the point entirely. > No, I was just taking the piss out of Mr Larkin's ill-informed (and poorly composed) comments

he was being sarcastic

>This is the stupidist thing I have read on the usenet in some >years....and considering how much stupid stuff I have seen thats >saying quite a lot. Congrats... >It must be a troll..... Erk.. An acute case of sense of humour failure :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

This is the stupidist thing I have read on the usenet in some years....and considering how much stupid stuff I have seen thats saying quite a lot. Congrats... It must be a troll..... PAPA DOC

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>Ho, not me! I've seen the light! these blinkered fools cling to GPL, but I >have Spirit of Speed! I say to you one and all: This is the sim you have >waited for! Join me, and consign GPL's stinking carcass to the auto sim >graveyard whence it came > > > >

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> President for life of the Assholes of the Universe... Rants, Bullshit and Help guides to be found at... www.papadoc.net

he was being sarcastic Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This is the stupidist thing I have read on the usenet in some > years....and considering how much stupid stuff I have seen thats > saying quite a lot. Congrats... > > It must be a troll..... > > PAPA DOC > > >Ho, not me! I've seen the light! these blinkered fools cling to GPL, but

I

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> >have Spirit of Speed! I say to you one and all: This is the sim you have > >waited for! Join me, and consign GPL's stinking carcass to the auto sim > >graveyard whence it came > > > > > > > > > > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand > Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> > President for life of the Assholes of the Universe... > Rants, Bullshit and Help guides to be found at... > www.papadoc.net

You're a smart man Papa Doc... Andre On Fri, 26 May 2000 02:15:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand) wrote:

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>This is the stupidist thing I have read on the usenet in some >years....and considering how much stupid stuff I have seen thats >saying quite a lot. Congrats... > >It must be a troll..... > >PAPA DOC > >>Ho, not me! I've seen the light! these blinkered fools cling to GPL, but I >>have Spirit of Speed! I say to you one and all: This is the sim you have >>waited for! Join me, and consign GPL's stinking carcass to the auto sim >>graveyard whence it came >> >> >> >> > >Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> >President for life of the Assholes of the Universe... >Rants, Bullshit and Help guides to be found at... >www.papadoc.net

I was indeed. Thank-you Kai! -- -Ace-

> > It must be a troll..... > > PAPA DOC > Well Duh! Although, actually, it wasn't a troll, it was a JOKE. By the way, I remember who Papa Doc was. Ummmm, nice handle?

Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1olX4.121497$[email hidden]... > he was being sarcastic > I was indeed. Thank-you Kai! -- -Ace-

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> > Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1olX4.121497$[email hidden]... > > he was being sarcastic > > > > I was indeed. Thank-you Kai!

Good thing. We cultists were getting a fire ready for you. :-)