gpl demo

ive read so much about the game and how good it is, so i thought i would ahve a look but the demo runs like a bag of the proverbial, i mean totally unplayable, something like 2 frames ps no detail nothing, the car jumps 30 metres at a time its that bad. can anyone help me sort the demo out to atleast try the game. g400 128mb celery@464 on abit bh6 v1.0 pci 64 sound dx7a latest drivers for all. any help much appreciated. also phoned about 8 different comp shops to find a copy noone had it in stock, game pc world e boutique few independants, i was going to buy it 14.99 cheapest at game, now i just want to get the demo to run, cheers for any help Lee

It's probably your video card. It needs a Rendition (obsolescent) or a Voodoo add-on card. Well worth it. It you have been following this group, there are those who have spent hundreds of dollars upgrading their machines so it would run at 36 fps with all detail on. (Not me, there was some other reason to upgrade to a PIII 550, I just can't remember it now - actually, with two Voodoo2 cards, it ran well on my 200 MMX.) Bill Yowell Lee wrote:

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> ive read so much about the game and how good it is, so i thought i would > ahve a look but the demo runs like a bag of the proverbial, i mean totally > unplayable, something like 2 frames ps no detail nothing, the car jumps 30 > metres at a time its that bad. can anyone help me sort the demo out to > atleast try the game. > g400 > 128mb > celery@464 on abit bh6 v1.0 > pci 64 sound > dx7a > latest drivers for all. any help much appreciated. > > also phoned about 8 different comp shops to find a copy noone had it in > stock, game pc world e boutique few independants, i was going to buy it > 14.99 cheapest at game, now i just want to get the demo to run, > > cheers for any help > > Lee

Everything I've heard indicates that the demo really doesn't do the game justice. (dumb, but that seems to be the case) I had my hands on a copy of GPL the other day when I stopped in a T.J. Maxx store to pick up a new belt. Had to ask my wife to slap it out of my hands as I couldn't seem to let go of it... <g> It was priced at $12.99. See if there's a nearby T. J. Maxx and, if so, stop in and scrounge through their software rack. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

cheers brett, but florida is a bit far to travel from the uk :-) Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Everything I've heard indicates that the demo really doesn't do the > game justice. (dumb, but that seems to be the case) I had my hands > on a copy of GPL the other day when I stopped in a T.J. Maxx store to > pick up a new belt. Had to ask my wife to slap it out of my hands as > I couldn't seem to let go of it... <g> It was priced at $12.99. See > if there's a nearby T. J. Maxx and, if so, stop in and scrounge > through their software rack. > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL

> g400 That's it. If it isn't a 3dFX or a Rendition it's not NATIVELY supported by GPL, and hence will suck. Go get the OpenGL patch, make some tweaks, and then it should run better. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:11:10 +0100, Richard Walker <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ah! So if I have a beefy enough processor (e.g. Athlon 700!) I could quite >happily get away with my TNT2Ultra and the OpenGL patch? [snip] I've read other people write that they peg at 36fps with the Athalon and GeForce. I'm staying around 30 other than at the starts with a full field on my 32mb TNT2. I'm running at 800x600 and the mirror refresh set to 3 (if I remember correctly). Something that gave me a nice increase in framerate and fixed the mirror flashing was changing the Flipping Control from 2 to 0 in the registry. I actually found the tip here in RMD. I'm using the newest drivers, and the setting was in: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\RIVA TNT\OpenGL You simply need to change the last number to a 0. Mine initially appeared as 0x00000002 (2) I changed it to 0x00000000 (0) E-mail me if you need more info. Tim

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:29:22 +0100, Richard Walker <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sadly though, the OpenGL patch is terrible. For systems < 600 MHz, it >seems that a 3dfx/Voodoo card will easily outperform the equivalent OpenGL >card setup (TNT, G400, S4 etc.). > >A sad sate of affairs for me too, since I have a 400 MHz K6/2 and a >TNT2Ultra. :-( Richard, I think it's your AMD killing your frame-rate, and not the TNT2. I have TNT's in a 400mhz Pentium II, and a 350mhz K6/2. The Pentium literally doubles the frame rate on many games, despite the meager 50mhz clock speed advantage. Since the TNT is more processor dependant than the Voodoo cards, I think you'll find GPL runs better on your AMD with a Voodoo2. I ended up pulling the V2 out of my Pentium to help the K6/2 deal with newer games/sims. It does help, but my P2 with the TNT and OpenGL patch still runs faster than the K6/2 with Voodoo2. Tim

Not For GPL!! ;-) Seriously, your trouble with the demo probably stems from using the G400. Also, I think (maybe someone can confirm), the demo is v1.0 of the gpl.exe, which, again I think, won't run using the OpenGL Glide wrapper. My advice: pick up a V2 on the cheap and prepare to lose your life to a racing sim. Jan. =--- Lee wrote in message... > cheers brett, but florida is a bit far to travel from the uk :-) > <Snip>

In message <qjJO4.61783$[email hidden]> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Seriously, your trouble with the demo probably stems from using the G400. > Also, I think (maybe someone can confirm), the demo is v1.0 of the > gpl.exe, which, again I think, won't run using the OpenGL Glide wrapper. The latest demo, from papy.com is based on version 1.2 of the game, and *does* work with the OpenGL patch (beta2). Sadly though, the OpenGL patch is terrible. For systems < 600 MHz, it seems that a 3dfx/Voodoo card will easily outperform the equivalent OpenGL card setup (TNT, G400, S4 etc.). A sad sate of affairs for me too, since I have a 400 MHz K6/2 and a TNT2Ultra. :-( -- Richard. "You think you lost your love, when I saw her yesterday."

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> > It's probably your video card. It needs a Rendition (obsolescent) or a Voodoo > add-on card. Well worth it. It you have been following this group, there are > those who have spent hundreds of dollars upgrading their machines so it would > run at 36 fps with all detail on. (Not me, there was some other reason to > upgrade to a PIII 550, I just can't remember it now - actually, with two > Voodoo2 cards, it ran well on my 200 MMX.) > Bill Yowell

Well Bill, if you are like me, you spent those thousands of dollars on a PIII system not for wimpy GPL, but to see another program in it's TRUE GLORY! If your like me you got 100mhz memory and cast aside your old Rendition system just so ONE PARTICULAR PROGRAM really really shined. Yessir...I'm betting your into Windows Solitaire just like I am.... dave henrie ps...Lee, it's the Matrox. The demo has no D3D or opengl capability. I've heard some folks say Matrox has upgraded their GPL patch, but I'm not sure how effective it is. If you have a free pci slot or two.. a couple of 3dfx V21000's would make GPL shine.

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> > Lee wrote: > > > ive read so much about the game and how good it is, so i thought i would > > ahve a look but the demo runs like a bag of the proverbial, i mean totally > > unplayable, something like 2 frames ps no detail nothing, the car jumps 30 > > metres at a time its that bad. can anyone help me sort the demo out to > > atleast try the game. > > g400 > > 128mb > > celery@464 on abit bh6 v1.0 > > pci 64 sound > > dx7a > > latest drivers for all. any help much appreciated. > > > > also phoned about 8 different comp shops to find a copy noone had it in > > stock, game pc world e boutique few independants, i was going to buy it > > 14.99 cheapest at game, now i just want to get the demo to run, > > > > cheers for any help > > > > Lee

Thanks. I wasn't sure about my stuff, but I felt I should answer his plight as I, briefly, remembered myself 2 years ago, with a P133 Voodoo1 combination, getting a truly miserable 11fps out of the GPL demo. Had to try and convince him, GPL's worth every bit you put into it. Which, in my case, includes 2 PC upgrades, a cable modem connection and countless hours (sad, huh?). Jan. =--- Richard Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:644a11b749%[email hidden]...

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> <Snip> > The latest demo, from papy.com is based on version 1.2 of the game, and > *does* work with the OpenGL patch (beta2). > > Sadly though, the OpenGL patch is terrible. For systems < 600 MHz, it > seems that a 3dfx/Voodoo card will easily outperform the equivalent OpenGL > card setup (TNT, G400, S4 etc.). > > A sad sate of affairs for me too, since I have a 400 MHz K6/2 and a > TNT2Ultra. :-( > > > -- > Richard. > > "You think you lost your love, when I saw her yesterday."

sorry dave i would rather go without the game than go back to a 3dfx based card after having matrox`s for the last 18mths, v1,v2 and a banshee, they just dont get a look in after using this card. this isnt flamebait or anything but i prefer quality rather than quantity. cheers Lee Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > William Yowell wrote: > > > > It's probably your video card. It needs a Rendition (obsolescent) or aVoodoo > > add-on card. Well worth it. It you have been following this group, thereare > > those who have spent hundreds of dollars upgrading their machines so itwould > > run at 36 fps with all detail on. (Not me, there was some other reasonto

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> > upgrade to a PIII 550, I just can't remember it now - actually, with two > > Voodoo2 cards, it ran well on my 200 MMX.) > > Bill Yowell > > Well Bill, if you are like me, you spent those thousands of dollars > on a PIII system not for wimpy GPL, but to see another program in it's > TRUE GLORY! If your like me you got 100mhz memory and cast aside your > old Rendition system just so ONE PARTICULAR PROGRAM really really > shined. > Yessir...I'm betting your into Windows Solitaire just like I am.... > dave henrie > ps...Lee, it's the Matrox. The demo has no D3D or opengl capability. > I've heard some folks say Matrox has upgraded their GPL patch, but I'm > not sure how effective it is. If you have a free pci slot or two.. > a couple of 3dfx V21000's would make GPL shine. > > > > > > Lee wrote: > > > > > ive read so much about the game and how good it is, so i thought i

would > > > ahve a look but the demo runs like a bag of the proverbial, i meantotally > > > unplayable, something like 2 frames ps no detail nothing, the carjumps 30

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> > > metres at a time its that bad. can anyone help me sort the demo out to > > > atleast try the game. > > > g400 > > > 128mb > > > celery@464 on abit bh6 v1.0 > > > pci 64 sound > > > dx7a > > > latest drivers for all. any help much appreciated. > > > > > > also phoned about 8 different comp shops to find a copy noone had it

in > > > stock, game pc world e boutique few independants, i was going to buyit > > > 14.99 cheapest at game, now i just want to get the demo to run, > > > > > > cheers for any help > > > > > > Lee

No problem there, but a V2 sitting in the PCI slot that is used only for gpl, that doesn't seem to be too much of a sacrifice. You can still set up your system to run everything else through the Matrox. dave henrie Lee wrote:

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> > sorry dave i would rather go without the game than go back to a 3dfx based > card after having matrox`s for the last 18mths, v1,v2 and a banshee, they > just dont get a look in after using this card. this isnt flamebait or > anything but i prefer quality rather than quantity. > > cheers > Lee > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > William Yowell wrote: > > > > > > It's probably your video card. It needs a Rendition (obsolescent) or a > Voodoo > > > add-on card. Well worth it. It you have been following this group, there > are > > > those who have spent hundreds of dollars upgrading their machines so it > would > > > run at 36 fps with all detail on. (Not me, there was some other reason > to > > > upgrade to a PIII 550, I just can't remember it now - actually, with two > > > Voodoo2 cards, it ran well on my 200 MMX.) > > > Bill Yowell > > > > Well Bill, if you are like me, you spent those thousands of dollars > > on a PIII system not for wimpy GPL, but to see another program in it's > > TRUE GLORY! If your like me you got 100mhz memory and cast aside your > > old Rendition system just so ONE PARTICULAR PROGRAM really really > > shined. > > Yessir...I'm betting your into Windows Solitaire just like I am.... > > dave henrie > > ps...Lee, it's the Matrox. The demo has no D3D or opengl capability. > > I've heard some folks say Matrox has upgraded their GPL patch, but I'm > > not sure how effective it is. If you have a free pci slot or two.. > > a couple of 3dfx V21000's would make GPL shine. > > > > > > > > > > Lee wrote: > > > > > > > ive read so much about the game and how good it is, so i thought i > would > > > > ahve a look but the demo runs like a bag of the proverbial, i mean > totally > > > > unplayable, something like 2 frames ps no detail nothing, the car > jumps 30 > > > > metres at a time its that bad. can anyone help me sort the demo out to > > > > atleast try the game. > > > > g400 > > > > 128mb > > > > celery@464 on abit bh6 v1.0 > > > > pci 64 sound > > > > dx7a > > > > latest drivers for all. any help much appreciated. > > > > > > > > also phoned about 8 different comp shops to find a copy noone had it > in > > > > stock, game pc world e boutique few independants, i was going to buy > it > > > > 14.99 cheapest at game, now i just want to get the demo to run, > > > > > > > > cheers for any help > > > > > > > > Lee

cheers i got the updated demo to work upto 1280@27fps. r u supposed to be able to have a race in the demo as all i can do is practice? cheers Lee Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> No problem there, but a V2 sitting in the PCI slot that is used only > for gpl, that doesn't seem to be too much of a sacrifice. You can still > set up your system to run everything else through the Matrox. > dave henrie > > > Lee wrote: > > > > sorry dave i would rather go without the game than go back to a 3dfx

based > > card after having matrox`s for the last 18mths, v1,v2 and a banshee,they

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> > just dont get a look in after using this card. this isnt flamebait or > > anything but i prefer quality rather than quantity. > > > > cheers > > Lee > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > William Yowell wrote: > > > > > > > > It's probably your video card. It needs a Rendition (obsolescent) or

a > > Voodoo > > > > add-on card. Well worth it. It you have been following this group,there > > are > > > > those who have spent hundreds of dollars upgrading their machines soit > > would > > > > run at 36 fps with all detail on. (Not me, there was some otherreason > > to > > > > upgrade to a PIII 550, I just can't remember it now - actually, withtwo

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> > > > Voodoo2 cards, it ran well on my 200 MMX.) > > > > Bill Yowell > > > > > > Well Bill, if you are like me, you spent those thousands of dollars > > > on a PIII system not for wimpy GPL, but to see another program in it's > > > TRUE GLORY! If your like me you got 100mhz memory and cast aside your > > > old Rendition system just so ONE PARTICULAR PROGRAM really really > > > shined. > > > Yessir...I'm betting your into Windows Solitaire just like I am.... > > > dave henrie > > > ps...Lee, it's the Matrox. The demo has no D3D or opengl capability. > > > I've heard some folks say Matrox has upgraded their GPL patch, but I'm > > > not sure how effective it is. If you have a free pci slot or two.. > > > a couple of 3dfx V21000's would make GPL shine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee wrote: > > > > > > > > > ive read so much about the game and how good it is, so i thought i > > would > > > > > ahve a look but the demo runs like a bag of the proverbial, i mean > > totally > > > > > unplayable, something like 2 frames ps no detail nothing, the car > > jumps 30 > > > > > metres at a time its that bad. can anyone help me sort the demo

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> > > > > atleast try the game. > > > > > g400 > > > > > 128mb > > > > > celery@464 on abit bh6 v1.0 > > > > > pci 64 sound > > > > > dx7a > > > > > latest drivers for all. any help much appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > also phoned about 8 different comp shops to find a copy noone had

it > > in > > > > > stock, game pc world e boutique few independants, i was going tobuy > > it > > > > > 14.99 cheapest at game, now i just want to get the demo to run, > > > > > > > > > > cheers for any help > > > > > > > > > > Lee

On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:16:04 +0100, "Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >ive read so much about the game and how good it is, so i thought i would >ahve a look but the demo runs like a bag of the proverbial, i mean totally >unplayable, something like 2 frames ps no detail nothing, the car jumps 30 I made the same mistake. I tried the Demo. The demo does NOT work on many machines. It was horrendous on my computer. I purchased the game and it works incredible on my machine (C466, V3-2000, 128mb). The sim itself is a phenomenom.

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>metres at a time its that bad. can anyone help me sort the demo out to >atleast try the game. >g400 >128mb >celery@464 on abit bh6 v1.0 >pci 64 sound >dx7a >latest drivers for all. any help much appreciated. > >also phoned about 8 different comp shops to find a copy noone had it in >stock, game pc world e boutique few independants, i was going to buy it >14.99 cheapest at game, now i just want to get the demo to run,

Order online.

pisser, ah well cheers Lee "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JaXO4.72843$[email hidden]...

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> Practise only... you need to buy the game to enjoy getting your behind > kicked by the AI. ;-) > > Jan. > =--- > Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ehch5$im8$[email hidden]... > > cheers i got the updated demo to work upto 1280@27fps. > > r u supposed to be able to have a race in the demo as all i can do is > > practice? > > > > cheers > > > > Lee > > > > <snip> > >

Practise only... you need to buy the game to enjoy getting your behind kicked by the AI. ;-) Jan. =--- Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ehch5$im8$[email hidden]...

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> cheers i got the updated demo to work upto 1280@27fps. > r u supposed to be able to have a race in the demo as all i can do is > practice? > > cheers > > Lee > > <snip>

In message <[email hidden]> Tim O. <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:29:22 +0100, Richard Walker > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Sadly though, the OpenGL patch is terrible. For systems < 600 MHz, it > > seems that a 3dfx/Voodoo card will easily outperform the equivalent > > OpenGL card setup (TNT, G400, S4 etc.). > > > > A sad sate of affairs for me too, since I have a 400 MHz K6/2 and a > > TNT2Ultra. :-( > > Richard, I think it's your AMD killing your frame-rate, and not the TNT2. > I have TNT's in a 400mhz Pentium II, and a 350mhz K6/2. The Pentium > literally doubles the frame rate on many games, despite the meager 50mhz > clock speed advantage.

Mmmnnn, yes, but a Pentium II has faster L2 cache, doesn't it? > Since the TNT is more processor dependant than the Voodoo cards, I think > you'll find GPL runs better on your AMD with a Voodoo2. Yes, since my mate has a similar system to me, but with a Voodoo 2, and it works a *lot* faster. > I ended up pulling the V2 out of my Pentium to help the K6/2 deal with > newer games/sims. It does help, but my P2 with the TNT and OpenGL patch > still runs faster than the K6/2 with Voodoo2. Ah! So if I have a beefy enough processor (e.g. Athlon 700!) I could quite happily get away with my TNT2Ultra and the OpenGL patch? What frame rates (and graphics detail) to people get with the OpenGL patch? I am going to upgrade my processor some time this year, but I'd like some idea of what processor people are using to get GPL to work OK with a TNT card. I know it will be more expensive than a Voodoo card, but a faster processor would also benefit my other games. -- Richard. "Someday when I'm lonely. Wishing you weren't so far away."

On Mon, 01 May 2000 11:52:26 +0100, Richard Walker <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> > Ah! So if I have a beefy enough processor (e.g. Athlon 700!) I could >> > quite happily get away with my TNT2Ultra and the OpenGL patch? >> >> I've read other people write that they peg at 36fps with the Athalon and >> GeForce. I'm staying around 30 other than at the starts with a full field >> on my 32mb TNT2. I'm running at 800x600 and the mirror refresh set to 3 >> (if I remember correctly). > >Sounds OK... but what CPU is this? > >I would only use 640x480, or possibly 800x600 - the picture has to look on >on my TV!

Athlon 700, same as you originally mentioned up there. Tim

In message <[email hidden]> Tim O. <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:11:10 +0100, Richard Walker > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Ah! So if I have a beefy enough processor (e.g. Athlon 700!) I could > > quite happily get away with my TNT2Ultra and the OpenGL patch? > > I've read other people write that they peg at 36fps with the Athalon and > GeForce. I'm staying around 30 other than at the starts with a full field > on my 32mb TNT2. I'm running at 800x600 and the mirror refresh set to 3 > (if I remember correctly).

Sounds OK... but what CPU is this? I would only use 640x480, or possibly 800x600 - the picture has to look on on my TV! Thanks for the tip. -- Richard. "Have you seen the bigger piggies In their starched white shirts."

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> On Mon, 01 May 2000 11:52:26 +0100, Richard Walker > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > I've read other people write that they peg at 36fps with the Athalon > > > and GeForce. I'm staying around 30 other than at the starts with a > > > full field on my 32mb TNT2. I'm running at 800x600 and the mirror > > > refresh set to 3 (if I remember correctly). > > > > Sounds OK... but what CPU is this? > > Athlon 700, same as you originally mentioned up there.

Excellent! I suppose I'll have to start saving! :-) Thanks, -- Richard. "Someday when I'm lonely. Wishing you weren't so far away."