I guess I will have 2 copies.
http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0
Stale GTR international release news sparks netiquette spat
A poster linked to news of GTR's international release, and others complained that the announcement was two weeks old and gave no release date. Some posters criticised the game's dated engine and the release delays, while others praised its physics and netcode. Users also raised concerns about the StarForce copy protection. Much of the thread became a dispute over whether it was arrogant to scold the original poster.
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I guess I will have 2 copies.
http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0
"Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>I guess I will have 2 copies.
>
> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0
>
This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it.
Is there any reason why you posted it?
Alanb
I'm downloading the Demo. Not speaking German, do I have a chance at
running this?
-Larry
"Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>I guess I will have 2 copies.
>
> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0
>
>I guess I will have 2 copies.
>
> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0
Shame we won't be seeing it for another 2 months. Honestly, the
publisher/developers have really screwed up on this one. The game's
graphics engine was already dated when it was announced 18 months ago and
the delays have really done some damage to the game. It's a fantastic sim
in terms of car/track physics and 3D modelling but the sequel will need to
improve in every other area 3-fold if it's going to become the king of sims.
I hear the netcode is very good in 1.2 but there's so many other oddities
that happen in multiplayer mainly to do with the starting grid that give it
a very shoddy feel. The Starforce thing is also a major pain which only
hinders legitimate users - pirates will just go play something else or use
one of the workarounds to play the game.
Starforce? I'm afraid to ask...
-Larry
"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >I guess I will have 2 copies. >> >> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 > > Shame we won't be seeing it for another 2 months. Honestly, the > publisher/developers have really screwed up on this one. The game's > graphics engine was already dated when it was announced 18 months ago and > the delays have really done some damage to the game. It's a fantastic sim > in terms of car/track physics and 3D modelling but the sequel will need to > improve in every other area 3-fold if it's going to become the king of > sims. I hear the netcode is very good in 1.2 but there's so many other > oddities that happen in multiplayer mainly to do with the starting grid > that give it a very shoddy feel. The Starforce thing is also a major pain > which only hinders legitimate users - pirates will just go play something > else or use one of the workarounds to play the game. > >I am very surprised to hear everyone talk about the "engine". GTR is not
the old ISI engine only. Those that think it is are doing a great
disservice to themselves and the sim-racing community as a whole. GTR is
far and away the best "available" sim right now, bar none(my opinion of
course). The net code is the best since Heat, you can rub and it is very
warp free and I am most nights that I run playing with people half way
around the world.
All that being said the release has been a bust I agree, but once it gets
into the hands of sim-racing fans look out. On another note if it helps
them build GTR2, I will support them. I support everyone that makes an
effort to cater to the simracing crowd.
Chad
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Starforce? I'm afraid to ask... > > -Larry > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >I guess I will have 2 copies. >>> >>> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >> >> Shame we won't be seeing it for another 2 months. Honestly, the >> publisher/developers have really screwed up on this one. The game's >> graphics engine was already dated when it was announced 18 months ago and >> the delays have really done some damage to the game. It's a fantastic >> sim in terms of car/track physics and 3D modelling but the sequel will >> need to improve in every other area 3-fold if it's going to become the >> king of sims. I hear the netcode is very good in 1.2 but there's so many >> other oddities that happen in multiplayer mainly to do with the starting >> grid that give it a very shoddy feel. The Starforce thing is also a >> major pain which only hinders legitimate users - pirates will just go >> play something else or use one of the workarounds to play the game. >> >> > >In article <fELAd.15146$jn.12032@lakeread06>, [email hidden] says...
> I'm downloading the Demo. Not speaking German, do I have a chance at
> running this?
>
> -Larry
Just downloaded it myself.. you've probably found out by now but it's
in English.
Cheers,
Rod.
Copy protection, as in the thing used by Toca Race Driver 2 (and variants).
Take a look at http://www.star-force.com/
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Andi.
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"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Starforce? I'm afraid to ask...
>
> -Larry
>
> "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > >I guess I will have 2 copies.
> >>
> >> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0
> >
> > Shame we won't be seeing it for another 2 months. Honestly, the
> > publisher/developers have really screwed up on this one. The game's
> > graphics engine was already dated when it was announced 18 months ago
and
> > the delays have really done some damage to the game. It's a fantastic
sim
> > in terms of car/track physics and 3D modelling but the sequel will need
to
> > improve in every other area 3-fold if it's going to become the king of
> > sims. I hear the netcode is very good in 1.2 but there's so many other
> > oddities that happen in multiplayer mainly to do with the starting grid
> > that give it a very shoddy feel. The Starforce thing is also a major
pain
> > which only hinders legitimate users - pirates will just go play
something
> > else or use one of the workarounds to play the game.
> >
> >
>
>
"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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sims.
> I hear the netcode is very good in 1.2 but there's so many other oddities
> that happen in multiplayer mainly to do with the starting grid that giveit
> a very shoddy feel. The Starforce thing is also a major pain which only
> hinders legitimate users - pirates will just go play something else or use
> one of the workarounds to play the game.
>
>
Ah an expert, just when you need one ;-(
There still isn't a release date for the International version, so 2 months
is a guess.
The net code has been fine from 1.0 to 1.21, I've had no problems, but then
I missed the bugged patch they released ;-)
Never seen any start grid issues, on or offline.
Never had any issues with Starforce either, with GTR or TRD2.
Anyone with an interest in the GT racing should buy the German version and
with a couple of changes (delete the contents of one file and overwrite the
pit speech files) the game is back to English and playable by anyone.
Stop complaining and get out there and play!
--
Andi.
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> >I guess I will have 2 copies. > > > > http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 > > Shame we won't be seeing it for another 2 months. Honestly, the > publisher/developers have really screwed up on this one. The game's > graphics engine was already dated when it was announced 18 months ago and > the delays have really done some damage to the game. It's a fantastic sim > in terms of car/track physics and 3D modelling but the sequel will need to > improve in every other area 3-fold if it's going to become the king of"This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it.
Is there any reason why you posted it?"
I'm sorry. Did I waste your time?
"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >>I guess I will have 2 copies. >> >> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >> > > This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. > > Is there any reason why you posted it? > > Alanb >Considering that there was no actual release date in the announcement from
two weeks ago and that was an issue, then yes, your post was inappropriate
as it suggested that a "real" announcement had now been made.
Marc
"Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. > > Is there any reason why you posted it?" > > > I'm sorry. Did I waste your time? > > > > > > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s4KAd.282118$V41.2146@attbi_s52... >> >> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>>I guess I will have 2 copies. >>> >>> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >>> >> >> This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. >> >> Is there any reason why you posted it? >> >> Alanb >> > >"Considering that there was no actual release date in the announcement from
two weeks ago and that was an issue, then yes, your post was inappropriate
as it suggested that a "real" announcement had now been made"
Sorry to confuse anyone.
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Considering that there was no actual release date in the announcement from > two weeks ago and that was an issue, then yes, your post was inappropriate > as it suggested that a "real" announcement had now been made. > > Marc > > "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> "This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. >> >> Is there any reason why you posted it?" >> >> >> I'm sorry. Did I waste your time? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:s4KAd.282118$V41.2146@attbi_s52... >>> >>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>I guess I will have 2 copies. >>>> >>>> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >>>> >>> >>> This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. >>> >>> Is there any reason why you posted it? >>> >>> Alanb >>> >> >> > >
"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Is there any reason why you're being such a arrogant SOB. The attitude of
some people in this NG over the last 5 years has turned from a helpful bunch
of fellas, to some of the people being so full of their own self
importance, that any posting made that isn't 100% made on time or 100%
accurate, is jumped all over and the poster belittled and treated with
contempt.
the original post could of been corrected in a more civil manner, but no.
You had to be an arsehole.
Good Day
Steve
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> > "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >>I guess I will have 2 copies. >> >> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >> > > This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. > > Is there any reason why you posted it? > > Alanb >On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:18:32 -0000, "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Copy protection, as in the thing used by Toca Race Driver 2 (and variants).
>Take a look at http://www.star-force.com/
And not much use either, since starforce protected games are being
cracked too. These new copy protections are really working the wrong
way, they hinder the buyers, while people playing pirated copies don't
have the starforce crap installing software on their pc's.
Even the demo of GTR was starforce protected I read, so installing
software on your pc without asking. You have to use a
starforce-cleaner utility to get rid of it. The reason for me to skip
the GTR demo.
I bought hl2, then played with a pirated copy to get rid of the STEAM
crap. This is getting a bit silly ;)
Andre
"Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's not about arrogance; it's about folks posting stuff as if they've been
out of the country (or out of the world) for a year or so. They post just
to post, like they feel better because they might have some inside
information.
Alanb
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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s4KAd.282118$V41.2146@attbi_s52... >> >> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>>I guess I will have 2 copies. >>> >>> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >>> >> >> This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. >> >> Is there any reason why you posted it? >> >> Alanb >> > Is there any reason why you're being such a arrogant SOB. The attitude of > some people in this NG over the last 5 years has turned from a helpful > bunch of fellas, to some of the people being so full of their own self > importance, that any posting made that isn't 100% made on time or 100% > accurate, is jumped all over and the poster belittled and treated with > contempt. > > the original post could of been corrected in a more civil manner, but no. > You had to be an arsehole. > > Good Day > > Steve >
"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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of
no.
been
> out of the country (or out of the world) for a year or so. They post just
> to post, like they feel better because they might have some inside
> information.
>
> Alanb
Every night I thank my lucky stars that we have you here to monitor these
people.
I mean if there is one thing this newsgroup needs even more then posts full
of useless information it must surely be someone to make another post to
point them all out.
Keep up the good work. Over and out.
Elrikk ;o)
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> > "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:671Bd.96389$[email hidden]... > > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:s4KAd.282118$V41.2146@attbi_s52... > >> > >> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >>>I guess I will have 2 copies. > >>> > >>> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 > >>> > >> > >> This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. > >> > >> Is there any reason why you posted it? > >> > >> Alanb > >> > > Is there any reason why you're being such a arrogant SOB. The attitudeQuoted text (7 lines)
> > some people in this NG over the last 5 years has turned from a helpful > > bunch of fellas, to some of the people being so full of their own self > > importance, that any posting made that isn't 100% made on time or 100% > > accurate, is jumped all over and the poster belittled and treated with > > contempt. > > > > the original post could of been corrected in a more civil manner, butQuoted text (8 lines)
> > You had to be an arsehole. > > > > Good Day > > > > Steve > > > > It's not about arrogance; it's about folks posting stuff as if they'veQuoted text (14 lines)
> > Every night I thank my lucky stars that we have you here to monitor these > people. > > I mean if there is one thing this newsgroup needs even more then posts > full > of useless information it must surely be someone to make another post to > point them all out. > > Keep up the good work. Over and out. > > Elrikk ;o) > >Haven't installed it yet, but that's great to hear :)
-Larry
"RodP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <fELAd.15146$jn.12032@lakeread06>, [email hidden] says... > >> I'm downloading the Demo. Not speaking German, do I have a chance at >> running this? >> >> -Larry > > Just downloaded it myself.. you've probably found out by now but it's > in English. > > Cheers, > Rod.I knew I was afraid to ask :)
Can't be any worse than this Half-Life 2 nonsense.
-Larry
"Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Copy protection, as in the thing used by Toca Race Driver 2 (and > variants). > Take a look at http://www.star-force.com/ > > -- > Andi. > > Remove only one zero to reply > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:K2MAd.15158$jn.11909@lakeread06... >> Starforce? I'm afraid to ask... >> >> -Larry >> >> "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >I guess I will have 2 copies. >> >> >> >> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >> > >> > Shame we won't be seeing it for another 2 months. Honestly, the >> > publisher/developers have really screwed up on this one. The game's >> > graphics engine was already dated when it was announced 18 months ago > and >> > the delays have really done some damage to the game. It's a fantastic > sim >> > in terms of car/track physics and 3D modelling but the sequel will need > to >> > improve in every other area 3-fold if it's going to become the king of >> > sims. I hear the netcode is very good in 1.2 but there's so many other >> > oddities that happen in multiplayer mainly to do with the starting grid >> > that give it a very shoddy feel. The Starforce thing is also a major > pain >> > which only hinders legitimate users - pirates will just go play > something >> > else or use one of the workarounds to play the game. >> > >> > >> >> > >It led me to the Demo, so it didn't bother me.
But now that I hear it might install hidden copy-protection software on your
system (even the Demo ?) I'm going to pass until I know more about this.
-Larry
"Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. > > Is there any reason why you posted it?" > > > I'm sorry. Did I waste your time? > > > > > > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s4KAd.282118$V41.2146@attbi_s52... >> >> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>>I guess I will have 2 copies. >>> >>> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >>> >> >> This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. >> >> Is there any reason why you posted it? >> >> Alanb >> > >#1, I doubt this is the case.
#2, you must never forget server retention level. It's different for
everyone.
#3, There's always the "Next" button.
-Larry
"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:671Bd.96389$[email hidden]... >> >> "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:s4KAd.282118$V41.2146@attbi_s52... >>> >>> "Tiny Lund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>I guess I will have 2 copies. >>>> >>>> http://www.gtr-game.com/index.php?page=news0 >>>> >>> >>> This news is nearly two weeks old. I think most here are aware of it. >>> >>> Is there any reason why you posted it? >>> >>> Alanb >>> >> Is there any reason why you're being such a arrogant SOB. The attitude >> of some people in this NG over the last 5 years has turned from a helpful >> bunch of fellas, to some of the people being so full of their own self >> importance, that any posting made that isn't 100% made on time or 100% >> accurate, is jumped all over and the poster belittled and treated with >> contempt. >> >> the original post could of been corrected in a more civil manner, but no. >> You had to be an arsehole. >> >> Good Day >> >> Steve >> > > It's not about arrogance; it's about folks posting stuff as if they've > been out of the country (or out of the world) for a year or so. They post > just to post, like they feel better because they might have some inside > information. > > Alanb >On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:59:45 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>It's not about arrogance; it's about folks posting stuff as if they've been
>out of the country (or out of the world) for a year or so. They post just
>to post, like they feel better because they might have some inside
>information.
Not a year.....2 weeks. It was news to me, since I've been out of the
loop over the holidays.
Well, the article is 2 weeks old but the "news" is about 6 months old.
Pretty useless info from the OP and the site itself - this post implied
there was a date for the release since everyone knows the rest.
"TW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:59:45 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
> >It's not about arrogance; it's about folks posting stuff as if they'vebeen
> >out of the country (or out of the world) for a year or so. They postjust
> >to post, like they feel better because they might have some inside
> >information.
>
> Not a year.....2 weeks. It was news to me, since I've been out of the
> loop over the holidays.
>
