Re: Surtees...need I say more?

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> >You wait till you reach Parabolica. He'll have you there! I've found the >trick with him is to brake a bit earlier into Parabolica but stick to the >right hand side of the road. That way he stays on the racing line and >doesn't take you off. You can then overtake him on the straight. > >BTW, thanks for my appointment as Chief Engineer of Team Backmarker. I >guess this means I'll have to work on setups for other circuits now! > >Cheers > >Phil

Don't forget to give him a little bump in the gearbox before you pass him. :) Maybe if you take him out enough, he won't attempt to send your car vaulting over the catch fence anymore? ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

<snipped> That *** red stripe and "meatball" is the***and entrails of previous victims!

http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html I might add it's all your guy's fault for making me have to change my armour. dave henrie

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html LOL- nice shots! But you're usually ok unless you try to brake with him on your tail. But seeing him there like that would give me the shakes too. :-) (And I'd forgotten that the "Murasama" had a black stripe- the blood red stripe and meatball on the Honda mod car I have is much more frightening in the rear view mirror <g>)

Gault <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8emtqk$sql$[email hidden]... <snipped> > LOL- nice shots! But you're usually ok unless you try to brake with himon > your tail. But seeing him there like that would give me the shakes too. > :-) > > (And I'd forgotten that the "Murasama" had a black stripe- the blood red > stripe and meatball on the Honda mod car I have is much more frighteningin > the rear view mirror <g>) >That blood red stripe and "meatball" is the gore and entrails of previous victims!

You wait till you reach Parabolica. He'll have you there! I've found the trick with him is to brake a bit earlier into Parabolica but stick to the right hand side of the road. That way he stays on the racing line and doesn't take you off. You can then overtake him on the straight. BTW, thanks for my appointment as Chief Engineer of Team Backmarker. I guess this means I'll have to work on setups for other circuits now! Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > I might add it's all your guy's fault for making me have to change > my armour. > dave henrie

Well, mr Surtees learned me how to brake..... :-D Remco Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > I might add it's all your guy's fault for making me have to change >my armour. >dave henrie

I was looking for some more <real> info on John Surtees -- and saw something about a "horrible" accident at Mosport in 1965 that supposedly very nearly fatal. What happened -- did someone decide to punt him off the track? :o)) Seriously though, can anyone shed any light on the big accident mentioned above? Thanks R. Hashana Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html >

The other day I was having a blast round Monza. After the start Brabham was behind me and followed me for a several laps. He seemed to have no trouble avoiding running into me under braking. Unfortunatly Surtees managed to overtake him and inevitably took me out next time we went by Parabolica!! Just proves it isn't our imagination!! Chris In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Dan Belcher) wrote: >> >>You wait till you reach Parabolica. He'll have you there!I've found the >>trick with him is to brake a bit earlier into Parabolica butstick to the >>right hand side of the road. That way he stays on the racingline and >>doesn't take you off. You can then overtake him on thestraight. >> * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

I wonder how long it is before his descendants decide to sue Papy / Sierra ;-) Ryan Mitchley

Ross. Indeed JS suffered a near fatal accident in 1965. The accident happened at the Mosport Can-Am race and not in a F1 car. He was driving a Lola-Chevrolet T70. I don't recall exactly what happened in any detail, suffice to say that it precluded him from competing in the final two GP rounds of the year at the Glen and Mexico. MS "Ross Hashana" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ClMP4.3583$[email hidden]... > I was looking for some more <real> info on John Surtees -- and sawsomething

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> about a "horrible" accident at Mosport in 1965 that supposedly very nearly > fatal. > What happened -- did someone decide to punt him off the track? :o)) > Seriously though, can anyone shed any light on the big accident mentioned > above? > Thanks > R. Hashana > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > >

why should they, I thought he was still alive(?)

He most certainly is. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk > why should they, I thought he was still alive(?) > > I wonder how long it is before his descendants decide to sue Papy / Sierra > > ;-) > > Ryan Mitchley

Thanks everyone -- you guys are great! R. Hashana

Bruce. My former post concured with yours. However, it looks as though it was a 1965 sportscar race although I cannot be more specific as to what series. I sourced this much from Maclaren, the Grand Prix, Can-Am and Indycars by Doug Nye. This is heavily edited and not verbatim. " Maclaren's 1965 efforts were concentrated on the sportscars for the 1965 season. The season kicked off at Silverstone as a supporting race for the F2 Senior Service 200 on March 20th. (abandoned due to torrential rain on lap 18 of the scheduled 25). Winner - Clark (Lotus 30). <snipped mid season> Guards Trophy - Brands Hatch, August 30th. Bruce Maclaren ran a 5-litre Maclaren - Elva- Oldsmobile (Traco - Olds) but was beaten into second place by Surtees in the stronger litre Lola-Chev. St Jovite- September 18. Maclaren ran the new prototype M2A. DNS due to broken crank in practice. Surtees won again. Mosport - the following weekend. Some confusion might lie here to the unwitting as this was announced as the Canadial GP. Surtees was hurt in practice due to suspension failure on the Lola. Race was won (on aggregate over 2 heats) by Jim Hall (Car unspecified) by 1.8 seconds over Maclaren. Mark Interesting point with respect to St Jovite, although my sources concur with your original post about the T70. Hmmm. This is worthy of a trip to the library I think. Cheers Mark > That's not right....it couldn't have been a CanAm race. > I am SURE that the Can Am didn't commence until season 1966, the firstrace > being at St. Jovite the first weekend in September. > > I wonder what the race was at Mosport?.......it wasn't the Players200....he

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> was okay in that. > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Can Am. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Ross Hashana <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ClMP4.3583$[email hidden]... > > > I was looking for some more <real> info on John Surtees -- and saw > > something > > > about a "horrible" accident at Mosport in 1965 that supposedly very > nearly > > > fatal. > > > What happened -- did someone decide to punt him off the track? :o)) > > > Seriously though, can anyone shed any light on the big accident > mentioned > > > above? > > > Thanks > > > R. Hashana > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

why should they, I thought he was still alive(?) Ryan Mitchley <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8eosll$fne$[email hidden]...

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> I wonder how long it is before his descendants decide to sue Papy / Sierra > ;-) > > Ryan Mitchley > > >

He most certainly is. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8epqgk$fd4$[email hidden]... > why should they, I thought he was still alive(?) > Ryan Mitchley <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8eosll$fne$[email hidden]... > > I wonder how long it is before his descendants decide to sue Papy / Sierra > > ;-) > > > > Ryan Mitchley > > > > > > > >

Thanks everyone -- you guys are great! R. Hashana Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> A little more info........ > > He sustained multiple injuries when he crashed a Lola T70 sports car while > practising for a Can- Am race at Mosport Park, near Toronto, shortly after > the Italian Grand Prix in September. For a few days it seemed as though > Surtees might not survive, but he fought back to recover from his injuries > with a characteristic tenacity which saw him back in a Ferrari - and

winning > again - early in 1966.

No, Remco. "Mr. Surtees _taught_ me how to brake". (You learned, he taught). -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Well, mr Surtees learned me how to brake..... > > :-D > > Remco > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > > > > I might add it's all your guy's fault for making me have to change > >my armour. > >dave henrie >

Can Am. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ross Hashana <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ClMP4.3583$[email hidden]... > I was looking for some more <real> info on John Surtees -- and saw something > about a "horrible" accident at Mosport in 1965 that supposedly very nearly > fatal. > What happened -- did someone decide to punt him off the track? :o)) > Seriously though, can anyone shed any light on the big accident mentioned > above? > Thanks > R. Hashana > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > >

A little more info........ He sustained multiple injuries when he crashed a Lola T70 sports car while practising for a Can- Am race at Mosport Park, near Toronto, shortly after the Italian Grand Prix in September. For a few days it seemed as though Surtees might not survive, but he fought back to recover from his injuries with a characteristic tenacity which saw him back in a Ferrari - and winning again - early in 1966. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ross Hashana <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ClMP4.3583$[email hidden]... > I was looking for some more <real> info on John Surtees -- and saw something > about a "horrible" accident at Mosport in 1965 that supposedly very nearly > fatal. > What happened -- did someone decide to punt him off the track? :o)) > Seriously though, can anyone shed any light on the big accident mentioned > above? > Thanks > R. Hashana > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > >

That's not right....it couldn't have been a CanAm race. I am SURE that the Can Am didn't commence until season 1966, the first race being at St. Jovite the first weekend in September. I wonder what the race was at Mosport?.......it wasn't the Players 200....he was okay in that. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Can Am. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Ross Hashana <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ClMP4.3583$[email hidden]... > > I was looking for some more <real> info on John Surtees -- and saw > something > > about a "horrible" accident at Mosport in 1965 that supposedly very nearly > > fatal. > > What happened -- did someone decide to punt him off the track? :o)) > > Seriously though, can anyone shed any light on the big accident mentioned > > above? > > Thanks > > R. Hashana > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > > > > > > >

He is. Ace wrote:

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> > why should they, I thought he was still alive(?) > Ryan Mitchley <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8eosll$fne$[email hidden]... > > I wonder how long it is before his descendants decide to sue Papy / Sierra > > ;-) > > > > Ryan Mitchley > > > > > >

Thanks Mark. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q_VP4.8441$[email hidden]... > Bruce. > > My former post concured with yours. However, it looks as though it was a > 1965 sportscar race although I cannot be more specific as to what series. I > sourced this much from Maclaren, the Grand Prix, Can-Am and Indycars by Doug > Nye. This is heavily edited and not verbatim. > > " Maclaren's 1965 efforts were concentrated on the sportscars for the 1965 > season. > > > The season kicked off at Silverstone as a supporting race for the F2 Senior > Service 200 on March 20th. (abandoned due to torrential rain on lap 18 of > the scheduled 25). Winner - Clark (Lotus 30). > > <snipped mid season> > > Guards Trophy - Brands Hatch, August 30th. Bruce Maclaren ran a 5-litre > Maclaren - Elva- Oldsmobile (Traco - Olds) but was beaten into second place > by Surtees in the stronger litre Lola-Chev. > > St Jovite- September 18. Maclaren ran the new prototype M2A. DNS due to > broken crank in practice. Surtees won again. > > Mosport - the following weekend. Some confusion might lie here to the > unwitting as this was announced as the Canadial GP. Surtees was hurt in > practice due to suspension failure on the Lola. Race was won (on aggregate > over 2 heats) by Jim Hall (Car unspecified) by 1.8 seconds over Maclaren. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Interesting point with respect to St Jovite, although my sources concur with > your original post about the T70. Hmmm. This is worthy of a trip to the > library I think. > > Cheers > > Mark > > That's not right....it couldn't have been a CanAm race. > > I am SURE that the Can Am didn't commence until season 1966, the first > race > > being at St. Jovite the first weekend in September. > > > > I wonder what the race was at Mosport?.......it wasn't the Players > 200....he > > was okay in that. > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Can Am. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Ross Hashana <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ClMP4.3583$[email hidden]... > > > > I was looking for some more <real> info on John Surtees -- and saw > > > something > > > > about a "horrible" accident at Mosport in 1965 that supposedly very > > nearly > > > > fatal. > > > > What happened -- did someone decide to punt him off the track? :o)) > > > > Seriously though, can anyone shed any light on the big accident > > mentioned > > > > above? > > > > Thanks > > > > R. Hashana > > > > > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > http://simracers.homestead.com/GPL_Surtees.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No, Remco. >"Mr. Surtees _taught_ me how to brake". > >(You learned, he taught). Ah, thank you! I appreciate it. This error is easy to make (for me), since: "I learned to brake" is translated into Dutch as "Ik leerde hoe te remmen." and "Mr. Surtees taught me to brake" is translated as "Mnr. Surtees leerde mij hoe te remmen." In both cases "leerde" is used in Dutch.... Remco

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>-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >--------------------------- > >Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Well, mr Surtees learned me how to brake.....

"Ik leer remmen" also means litterally "I leather brakes" <G> :-/ Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]...

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> "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >No, Remco. > >"Mr. Surtees _taught_ me how to brake". > > > >(You learned, he taught). > > Ah, thank you! I appreciate it. This error is easy to make (for me), > since: > > "I learned to brake" is translated into Dutch as "Ik leerde hoe te > remmen." > > and > > "Mr. Surtees taught me to brake" is translated as "Mnr. Surtees leerde > mij hoe te remmen." > > In both cases "leerde" is used in Dutch.... > > Remco > > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce Kennewell, > >Canberra, Australia. > >--------------------------- > > > >Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> Well, mr Surtees learned me how to brake..... >

Thank you for accepting my "tutorial" in the manner in which it was intended, Remco. :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >No, Remco. > >"Mr. Surtees _taught_ me how to brake". > > > >(You learned, he taught). > > Ah, thank you! I appreciate it. This error is easy to make (for me), > since: > > "I learned to brake" is translated into Dutch as "Ik leerde hoe te > remmen." > > and > > "Mr. Surtees taught me to brake" is translated as "Mnr. Surtees leerde > mij hoe te remmen." > > In both cases "leerde" is used in Dutch.... > > Remco > > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce Kennewell, > >Canberra, Australia. > >--------------------------- > > > >Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> Well, mr Surtees learned me how to brake..... >