Re: DSL

Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Are any of you out there more familiar with these processes, > installations, etc? Last fall I ordered DLS via one of Covad's ISP connections just like you. They came out and the technician totally butchered the wall jack (he used double stick tape on the RJ45 box to stick it to my wall). Ameritech had a actual bulkhead with RJ11 connectors which I thought this guy would replace. Not... Then the modem would not sync up to the main office and the Covad dude was totally clueless. Then I had lunch with a friend that was using DSL via www.telocity.com. He says it is fantastic so I ordered the service. Ameritech was out stringing a separate category 5 cable (basically the best) just like you had done. Telocity is supposed to contact me in the next few days to finalize to hookup. The cool part is the DLS bridge. It can be a normal Network card type connection like you have, or via the serial ports, parallel ports and the *BEST* USB! My friend was using the USB connection and was getting 400K up and down. I am 13,000 from my switch and expect to get atleast 256K up and down (yes this is ADSL). All for $49.99 a month. This time I hope it works out. I am mainly getting it for online racing (Nascar3). When I get it done, check the races on won.net I will be listed as "hammer-time" and the latency problems shouldn't be on my end :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > Here's an N3 tip I got from Al Stiff who got if from another group. > In N3 hit the alt-y key. that should report your quality ofconnection. > try and do this BEFORE the race :) > you can do this either in car or by turning on the chat box at thetrack > menu. > if the quality is low..under 40..press alt-e(no dash) to turn off the > new extrapolation. then press alt-y again and again until you get > BETTER quality #'s. once you get a decent number...press alt-e toturn > the new extrapolation back on. > it's not a perfect method, but it has kept me in some races wherethe > connection started to go south. > dave henrie Thanks, I have tried it before but I will try it again. I have a couple questions though: 1. What happens after you turn extrapolation back on then do ctrl-y? Do you still see your quality going up and down, or does it stay near the value you "locked in"? 2. Do you have to do this each time for Practice, Qualify, Warmup, Race, or do you just do it once when you initially connect to the server? Does it survive consecutive races on the same server? Thanks -- Doug Appleyard "Got us a Dirt Track Date - demolition derby figure 8" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Get on the phone to BellSouth. Such frequent disconnection is completely unacceptable. The server only drops me around once or twice a month. To check your speed go to www.dslreports.com Check out the speed tweaks section if you haven't already. Changing the DefaultRcvWindow registry setting made my speed go from 470K to 1.46M instantly. I would try connecting the USB modem directly to your PC without going through the hub. That'll at least show you if that's the problem or not. ...Colin

To share in DSL tales, I just got DSL service from BellSouth. They sent me an external USB modem and I installed it myself. They said they verified the lines, and indeed someone from BellSouth was seen at my house checking the drop (didn't come inside, and I wasn't there, so I never talked to them). I live in 20 year old house and neighborhood with (probably) copper lines. My problems now are: The supposedly "always-on" connection disconnects after 10-15 minutes, even when I'm not doing anything (computer is sitting there idle, not even a screen saver). And worse, of course, is I can no longer race N3 on-line. I can join races with pings of 45, and latency of 0.03, but when the host proceeds to the qualifying, or to the race, I get "bad connection, losing connection" and then I am disconnected. This is at peak periods (10-12 pm eastern) but that's the only time I can do it. This is often to what I *think* are good N3 servers (brick onecall.net for example). So what should I suspect first? Could it be the modem, or the fact is it connected through a $40 USB hub along with my pedals and joystick? Or perhaps my house wiring (I replaced the jack and the cord to the modem, with no avail. Next is the under-house wiring). Or I have heard the end-office ADSL connections are often jury-rigged. Or is it my neighborhood lines? I do have filters on other phones in the house. No filter on the line going to the computer, and no filter on the 2nd line phone - but I'll stick one on there too, can't hurt. Is there a web site where I can measure the quality of my connection, not just the speed (or should I just use ping)? I have Win98, P3 550, 128M RAM, 80% system resources free before connecting to internet. I ran the broadband tweaks from speedguide.net. thanks By the way, apologies to those involved in the N3 race last night where my DSL disconnected me when we were on the starting grid. I could not get reconnected so I assume my car was left there. Argh. -- Doug Appleyard "Got us a Dirt Track Date, demolition derby figure 8" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Question/observation about DSL connections. First off, let me start by filling you in on my experience with Hell Atlantic. I originally ordered ISDN from Bell Atlantic because I was planning on moving within a year and did not want to sign a long term contract with a DSL provider in case where I moved did not offer the service. (Same city, but different area). Well, Bell Atlantic flubbed up the line installation and I went 3 days without ANY phone service. So I cancelled the ISDN. In doing so, they tell me DSL is now available through them with no contract. 640 down / 90 up service for $49.99 a month. So i sign up. Well, the first 10 days were fantastic. Not a problem. NO INSTALLATION. All I had to do was install microfilters on my phone jack and plug the line into the external Westell DSL modem and into my nic card. Worked great. Well, after day 10 it went to hell. I ended up with no service for 14 out of the 29 days I had the service. I cancelled it on day 29 so I could get my $100 back for the modem. So whatever you do, READ DSL REPORTS AND BE FOREWARNED ABOUT BELL ATLANTIC. So Im back at 56K. But then we had a family situation arise in which I will not be moving probably for another year or so at the earliest. So I called Fast.net since they offer DSL in my area using COVAD. I had to sign a 12 month contract, but for $69.99 I get 1.5Mps down and 384 up. I am less than 1,400 feet from the central office. OK, here is my question observation. With BA, I had no installation. Just the microfilters. Now, with COVAD, Bell Atlantic came out yesterday and ran a separate data line into the box out back. Tomorrow, a technician is coming to run it from the pole/box out back into our box down stairs. Then on Saturday a COVAD technician comes in and installs it onto my PC. I did not realize there was that significant of a difference in DSL technology offerings. I would think this separate data line would be superior method as the old method did give me some modem noise on my telephone in the PC room, but not on our main phone upstairs. All were on the same line. Im ASSuming COVAD is using a splitter of some kind but using a separate data line which is to be used for DSL only, not any phone service. Are any of you out there more familiar with these processes, installations, etc? One thing I learned with my BA DSL, Im glad I kept my Earthlink account active <VBG> The one downside is Fast.net does not give me free dial up service as BA offered with DSL. Its only $9.99, but its not free ;) You have to have a backup service available unless you can live without ANY access from time to time. Or if you go with Bell Atlantic, no DSL service a MAJORITY of the time. <G> Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

I forgot to mention Bell Atlantic uses WinPoet (PPPoE) and Fast.net offers a Static IP. Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450

Here's an N3 tip I got from Al Stiff who got if from another group. In N3 hit the alt-y key. that should report your quality of connection. try and do this BEFORE the race :) you can do this either in car or by turning on the chat box at the track menu. if the quality is low..under 40..press alt-e(no dash) to turn off the new extrapolation. then press alt-y again and again until you get BETTER quality #'s. once you get a decent number...press alt-e to turn the new extrapolation back on. it's not a perfect method, but it has kept me in some races where the connection started to go south. dave henrie Doug Appleyard wrote:

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> > To share in DSL tales, I just got DSL service from BellSouth. > They sent me an external USB modem and I installed it myself. > They said they verified the lines, and indeed someone from > BellSouth was seen at my house checking the drop (didn't > come inside, and I wasn't there, so I never talked to them). > > I live in 20 year old house and neighborhood > with (probably) copper lines. > > My problems now are: The supposedly "always-on" > connection disconnects after 10-15 minutes, even > when I'm not doing anything (computer is sitting there > idle, not even a screen saver). And worse, of course, > is I can no longer race N3 on-line. I can join races with > pings of 45, and latency of 0.03, but when the host > proceeds to the qualifying, or to the race, I get "bad > connection, losing connection" and then I am > disconnected. This is at peak periods (10-12 pm eastern) > but that's the only time I can do it. This is often > to what I *think* are good N3 servers (brick onecall.net for > example). > > So what should I suspect first? Could it be the modem, > or the fact is it connected through a $40 USB hub along > with my pedals and joystick? Or perhaps my house > wiring (I replaced the jack and the cord to the modem, > with no avail. Next is the under-house wiring). Or I have > heard the end-office ADSL connections are often jury-rigged. > Or is it my neighborhood lines? I do have filters on > other phones in the house. No filter on the line going > to the computer, and no filter on the 2nd line phone - but > I'll stick one on there too, can't hurt. > > Is there a web site where I can measure the quality > of my connection, not just the speed (or should I just > use ping)? > > I have Win98, P3 550, 128M RAM, 80% system resources > free before connecting to internet. I ran the broadband > tweaks from speedguide.net. > > thanks > > By the way, apologies to those involved in the N3 race > last night where my DSL disconnected me when we were > on the starting grid. I could not get reconnected so > I assume my car was left there. Argh. > > -- > Doug Appleyard > "Got us a Dirt Track Date, demolition derby figure 8" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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> OK, here is my question observation. With BA, I had no installation. > Just the microfilters. Now, with COVAD, Bell Atlantic came out > yesterday and ran a separate data line into the box out back. Tomorrow, > a technician is coming to run it from the pole/box out back into our box > down stairs. Then on Saturday a COVAD technician comes in and installs > it onto my PC. I did not realize there was that significant of a > difference in DSL technology offerings. I would think this separate > data line would be superior method as the old method did give me some > modem noise on my telephone in the PC room, but not on our main phone > upstairs. All were on the same line. Im ASSuming COVAD is using a > splitter of some kind but using a separate data line which is to be used > for DSL only, not any phone service. > > Are any of you out there more familiar with these processes, > installations, etc? >

Heya Scott, I live a bit away from you, but heck:-) The company I'm working in has started initial supply/testing of ADSL, and from what I know so far, they are planning on using the same technology. Your problems/the install routines you described are the same. The DSL just runs on a higher frequency than your ordinairy Phone, so they *can use the same copper pair, with a microfilter at the end. I think the same problems that occur with ISDN will happen; end line quality issues. Running a dedicated copper pair into your house is a good way of fixing a part of that. From where I work I can run tests on the lines remotely to check their condition, as copper is erm...you know, "corrosion transformed"! The last place I lived, I tapped into a friends ISDN from across the yard (this was way out in the countryside!), ran a couple of cable drums out through the snow, slush etc and up to my computer (with his agreement of course; a neat though not quite legal soloution). These two drums were bought from a bargain bin. The connection was absolutely brilliant! No problems, always great stability etc. Now, I've got ISDN at a location in the town centre, same PC setup, and I'm practically on top of the nearest phone central/box, but my connection here is much worse than it was in the middle of nowhere.... My conclusion is; ADSL is ok, but because of the ageing copper network, may be unstable, and have frequent breakdowns. Fibre will be the way to go.....but I'll go for ADSL/DSL when it's available ($). I'll just rip out all the old phone lines/jacks from my house first, and do a fresh layup! Phone jacks/phones on your in-house line before the microfilters will play havoc with your DSL! Matt

According to the folks who passed it on to me...turning the extrapolation back on is "supposed" to lock it in. I'm not sure that is true tho. I have usually tried to enable it just before practice ends or at the end of the qualifying session. Not too many people run a warmup so it's tough to get it ready..and sitting at the line hitting alt-y over and over is an easy way to smoked at the start.. <VBG> dave henrie Doug Appleyard wrote:

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Here's an N3 tip I got from Al Stiff who got if from another group. > > In N3 hit the alt-y key. that should report your quality of > connection. > > try and do this BEFORE the race :) > > you can do this either in car or by turning on the chat box at the > track > > menu. > > if the quality is low..under 40..press alt-e(no dash) to turn off the > > new extrapolation. then press alt-y again and again until you get > > BETTER quality #'s. once you get a decent number...press alt-e to > turn > > the new extrapolation back on. > > it's not a perfect method, but it has kept me in some races where > the > > connection started to go south. > > dave henrie > > Thanks, I have tried it before but I will try it > again. I have a couple questions though: > > 1. What happens after you turn extrapolation > back on then do ctrl-y? Do you still see > your quality going up and down, or does it > stay near the value you "locked in"? > > 2. Do you have to do this each time for Practice, > Qualify, Warmup, Race, or do you just do it once > when you initially connect to the server? Does > it survive consecutive races on the same server? > > Thanks > > -- > Doug Appleyard > "Got us a Dirt Track Date - demolition derby figure 8" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Scott, Check out www.telocity.com I just started with their DSL service last week. I love it. $49.94/mo and if you stay on for 12 months they waive the equipment fee. No installers, just a DSL modem and microfilters. I get 1.5mb down and 384 kb up. Modem supports ethernet, USB, or parallel port interface and is a smart cookie. I also got a static IP address (and ZoneAlarm almost immediately thereafter). Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

ZoneAlarm has been on my PC since the day I had Bell Atlantic ;) A little late to check out telocity since I already signed the contract with Fast.net, but the reviews I read at DSLreports gives Fast.net good marks except for the Bell Atlantic line installation where most of the problems were with Bell Atlantic not showing up for appointments. ROFLMAO - Imagine that ;) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ #4395450 Editor in Chief PowerSims.com Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Scott, > > Check out www.telocity.com > > I just started with their DSL service last week. I love it. > $49.94/mo and if you stay on for 12 months they waive the equipment > fee. No installers, just a DSL modem and microfilters. I get 1.5mb > down and 384 kb up. Modem supports ethernet, USB, or parallel port > interface and is a smart cookie. I also got a static IP address (and > ZoneAlarm almost immediately thereafter). > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL >

Cool. Thanks for telling ras that. We've been struggleing to find DSL and the best we could find here is 200k a sec for $60 a month and it wont be here for almost another year! Well thank you very very much. Thanks, Alex Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8enoih$ivp$[email hidden]...

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> Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Are any of you out there more familiar with these processes, > > installations, etc? > > Last fall I ordered DLS via one of Covad's ISP connections just like > you. They came out and the technician totally butchered the wall > jack (he used double stick tape on the RJ45 box to stick it to my > wall). Ameritech had a actual bulkhead with RJ11 connectors which > I thought this guy would replace. Not... Then the modem would not > sync up to the main office and the Covad dude was totally clueless. > > Then I had lunch with a friend that was using DSL via www.telocity.com. > He says it is fantastic so I ordered the service. Ameritech was out > stringing a separate category 5 cable (basically the best) just like > you had done. Telocity is supposed to contact me in the next few > days to finalize to hookup. The cool part is the DLS bridge. It can > be a normal Network card type connection like you have, or via > the serial ports, parallel ports and the *BEST* USB! My friend > was using the USB connection and was getting 400K up and > down. I am 13,000 from my switch and expect to get atleast > 256K up and down (yes this is ADSL). All for $49.99 a month. > > This time I hope it works out. I am mainly getting it for online > racing (Nascar3). When I get it done, check the races on > won.net I will be listed as "hammer-time" and the latency > problems shouldn't be on my end :-) > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WZ2Q4.25604$[email hidden]...

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> Update. > > Do you guess want to guess whether or not the fricken morons at Bell > Atlantic showed up for their appointment today? > > 3 guesses and the first 2 dont count <VBG> > > I feel sorry for the ISP and COVAD. It makes them look bad when its not > their fault. They can't control how screwed up Bell Atlantic is.

Well telocity isn't batting 1000 either. I called them up to find out what the deal is with my DSL order. Ameritech was at my house 2.5 weeks ago to connect the DSL line. Telocity claims I should have been contacted 5 days later for the final hookup. 2.5 weeks later they have no idea why nobody has contacted me to complete the installation. I finally made the appointment for this coming saturday. We will see. I give it a 50-50 chance for success :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sDKP4.18868$[email hidden]... > Funny part is my Sister works for Bell Atlantic and at their meeting amonth > ago the management told them not to push DSL because they cannot keep up > with the installations and they don't have a solid grasp on the technology > yet. ROFLMAO - No Sh@t!! <VBG> The funny part of my story is that the dude that did the first attempted install for Covad (in the chicago area) told me he was hired for his installation expertise. I guess he knew how to use double stick tape :-) And... He used to work for Southern Bell :-) Wow. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Greg, Keep in touch and hopefully after Saturday we can get together and see what kind of connections we have <G> I have heard good things about Telocity too, but I didn't see them as offering service in my area. Fast.net is listed on DSLReports.com and the reviews are good. It seems like all the problems are with Bell Atlantic showing up for installation on their scheduled time. I am off work tomorrow and will be home 1/2 the day and I have my wife coming home for the second 1/2 of the day so someone is here the whole day. I plan on having Fast.nets phone number on speed dial so we can check in regularly and have them call COVAD and then Bell Atlantic to make sure they show up tomorrow. When I take off work for this kind of crap.. they better show up or frustrated postal workers are going to look like Barney compared to me <VBG> Funny part is my Sister works for Bell Atlantic and at their meeting a month ago the management told them not to push DSL because they cannot keep up with the installations and they don't have a solid grasp on the technology yet. ROFLMAO - No Sh@t!! <VBG> -- Scott B. Husted ICQ #4395450 Editor in Chief PowerSims.com Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:8enoih$ivp$[email hidden]... > Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Are any of you out there more familiar with these processes, > > installations, etc? > > Last fall I ordered DLS via one of Covad's ISP connections just like > you. They came out and the technician totally butchered the wall > jack (he used double stick tape on the RJ45 box to stick it to my > wall). Ameritech had a actual bulkhead with RJ11 connectors which > I thought this guy would replace. Not... Then the modem would not > sync up to the main office and the Covad dude was totally clueless. > > Then I had lunch with a friend that was using DSL via www.telocity.com. > He says it is fantastic so I ordered the service. Ameritech was out > stringing a separate category 5 cable (basically the best) just like > you had done. Telocity is supposed to contact me in the next few > days to finalize to hookup. The cool part is the DLS bridge. It can > be a normal Network card type connection like you have, or via > the serial ports, parallel ports and the *BEST* USB! My friend > was using the USB connection and was getting 400K up and > down. I am 13,000 from my switch and expect to get atleast > 256K up and down (yes this is ADSL). All for $49.99 a month. > > This time I hope it works out. I am mainly getting it for online > racing (Nascar3). When I get it done, check the races on > won.net I will be listed as "hammer-time" and the latency > problems shouldn't be on my end :-) > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >

Update. Do you guess want to guess whether or not the fricken morons at Bell Atlantic showed up for their appointment today? 3 guesses and the first 2 dont count <VBG> I feel sorry for the ISP and COVAD. It makes them look bad when its not their fault. They can't control how screwed up Bell Atlantic is. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ #4395450 Editor in Chief PowerSims.com Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Question/observation about DSL connections. > > First off, let me start by filling you in on my experience with Hell > Atlantic. I originally ordered ISDN from Bell Atlantic because I was > planning on moving within a year and did not want to sign a long term > contract with a DSL provider in case where I moved did not offer the > service. (Same city, but different area). Well, Bell Atlantic flubbed > up the line installation and I went 3 days without ANY phone service. > So I cancelled the ISDN. In doing so, they tell me DSL is now available > through them with no contract. 640 down / 90 up service for $49.99 a > month. So i sign up. Well, the first 10 days were fantastic. Not a > problem. NO INSTALLATION. All I had to do was install microfilters on > my phone jack and plug the line into the external Westell DSL modem and > into my nic card. Worked great. Well, after day 10 it went to hell. I > ended up with no service for 14 out of the 29 days I had the service. I > cancelled it on day 29 so I could get my $100 back for the modem. So > whatever you do, READ DSL REPORTS AND BE FOREWARNED ABOUT BELL ATLANTIC. > > So Im back at 56K. But then we had a family situation arise in which I > will not be moving probably for another year or so at the earliest. So > I called Fast.net since they offer DSL in my area using COVAD. I had to > sign a 12 month contract, but for $69.99 I get 1.5Mps down and 384 up. > I am less than 1,400 feet from the central office. > > OK, here is my question observation. With BA, I had no installation. > Just the microfilters. Now, with COVAD, Bell Atlantic came out > yesterday and ran a separate data line into the box out back. Tomorrow, > a technician is coming to run it from the pole/box out back into our box > down stairs. Then on Saturday a COVAD technician comes in and installs > it onto my PC. I did not realize there was that significant of a > difference in DSL technology offerings. I would think this separate > data line would be superior method as the old method did give me some > modem noise on my telephone in the PC room, but not on our main phone > upstairs. All were on the same line. Im ASSuming COVAD is using a > splitter of some kind but using a separate data line which is to be used > for DSL only, not any phone service. > > Are any of you out there more familiar with these processes, > installations, etc? > > One thing I learned with my BA DSL, Im glad I kept my Earthlink account > active <VBG> The one downside is Fast.net does not give me free dial up > service as BA offered with DSL. Its only $9.99, but its not free ;) > You have to have a backup service available unless you can live without > ANY access from time to time. Or if you go with Bell Atlantic, no DSL > service a MAJORITY of the time. <G> > > Scott > PA-Scott > PowerSims.com > > -- > Scott B. Husted > ICQ# 4395450 > >