Re: GPL Background Music

I trashed my dad's copy of the Grand Prix soundtrack when I was a kid by playing it endlessly. Copies turn up on Ebay occasionally. Mine is MGM S1E-8 ST Stereo<g>. -- don "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... everything else is driver-error." "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HcqR4.11771$[email hidden]... > "Steve Sarlls" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Thanks for your concern. I'll try and pay closer attention in the > > future. Please don't dload the soundtrack unless you own a copy of > > the album. > > > If it was only available <g>. Good luck finding it, it's only available on > Vinyl, and it's a very rare album. > > Just FYI, it's under MGM album records 1E/S1E-8ST 12inch vinyl MONO. It's > shaped like a a fold-open cover with some sort of book included with it. > > Here is the track list on my copy : > > Overture > Scott & Pat - Sarti & Louise > Theme from "Grand Prix" > Sarti's love theme (Bossa Nova) > The Zandvoort race (Scott's Comeback) > The Clermont race > Scott's theme (Bossa Nova) > Sarti's love theme > In the Garden > The Lonely Race Track > Total time : 41minutes > > > > > There is also a best of album of Maurice Jarre (who scored the music for > the movie and an incredible amount of great scores such as Lawrence of > Arabia, The Longest Day and Doctor Zhivago) by mmmm... Rhino Records I think > that includes music from the movie (NOT the one from Silva Screen). There > is so many great scores by the artist that it's hard to find the theme in > his CD "best-of" releases. It included the main theme from the movie Im > about sure. Btw, the main theme from the movie is somehow re-used in "The > Love bug". Made me smile when I heard it last week ;) Great funny racing > movie. > > I think I once saw the theme on an album by the Cinema Sound Stage Orchestra > He's still doing movie scores at the age of 76 btw! He is also the father > of Jean-Michel Jarre. Yeah, the same guy who played at the pyramids for > Y2k. > > -- movie music buff of r.a.s. > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > > >

There isn't much in the way of car sounds on the soundtrack unfortunately. I mixed it with some stereo recordings I made at a Long Beach F1 race and always take it along in the car when we head to the races<g>. An interesting Grand Prix tidbit...A friend attended an awards dinner in Los Angeles a year or two ago where James Garner, Phil Hill and Grand Prix Director of Photography, Johnny Stephens showed outtakes from Grand Prix, including details of Johnny's camera mounts and how special effects were done in the days before digital voodoo. I'm trying to contact Mr. Stephens through the Directors Guild to see if copies could be made available. -- don "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... everything else is driver-error." "Kirk Lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8f5fop$bfl$[email hidden]... > Aside from the theme, what else is in there??? > > All I really want is the sounds of the cars =) > > -- > Kirk Lane > [email hidden] > [email hidden] > ICQ: 28171652 > BRT #187 > > "Yeah you won't find me > I'm going MIA > Tonight I'm leaving > Going MIA > Getting lost in you again > Is better than being known" > -Foo Fighters, "MIA" > Steve Sarlls <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all > > might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. > > I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a > > single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me > > know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. > > > > Enjoy > > Steve-S > > #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo > > > > PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of > > print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-) > > > >

I often enjoy Never Mind the Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols whilst racing, or if I need to drive a thoroughly clean race, I try Morcheeba - Big Calm. I am an anti Chris -- -------------------------------------------------- http://www.the.saints.btinternet.co.uk Sjon Stigter wrote in message <8f4ed3$p8o$[email hidden]>... |Background music whille driving? That's sick... last time I checked race |cars where not equiped with onboard stereo's.... | | | | |Steve Sarlls <[email hidden]> wrote in message |news:[email hidden]... |> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all |> might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. |> I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a |> single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me |> know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. |> |> Enjoy |> Steve-S |> #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo |> |> PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of |> print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-) |> | |

I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. Enjoy Steve-S #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-)

Hello Steve, Aahhh, the memories...thanks! As for the copyright, I'm in the clear as I've got the LP in my closet but I haven't had a turntable for years...so again thanks! However, the music hasn't gotten any better over time, but it still evokes the film/mood...8^)...and is perfect for GPL. J. P. Hovercraft Steve Sarlls wrote:

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> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all > might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. > I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a > single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me > know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. > > Enjoy > Steve-S > #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo > > PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of > print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-)

Background music whille driving? That's sick... last time I checked race cars where not equiped with onboard stereo's.... Steve Sarlls <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all > might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. > I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a > single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me > know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. > > Enjoy > Steve-S > #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo > > PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of > print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-) >

Hi Steve, Thanks for posting the music, great action. Unfortunately, you guessed it, not all parts came through. Can you put in on a website perhaps? Andre

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>Steve Sarlls wrote: > >> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all >> might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. >> I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a >> single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me >> know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. >> >> Enjoy >> Steve-S >> #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo >> >> PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of >> print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-)

"Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Background music whille driving? That's sick... last time I checked race >cars where not equiped with onboard stereo's.... Hmmmm, even GPL has an CD-player build in..... http://pages.eidosnet.co.uk/~richeymanic/brabmir.jpg Remco

yeah but that's Savats' car :) Maybe he should more look at the road and not fiddling with his radio to fine tune it... I am sure some more drivers will make it to the finish line then :) -- Sjon Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Background music whille driving? That's sick... last time I checked race > >cars where not equiped with onboard stereo's.... > > Hmmmm, even GPL has an CD-player build in..... > > > http://pages.eidosnet.co.uk/~richeymanic/brabmir.jpg > > > > Remco >

"Steve Sarlls" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all > might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. > I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a > single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me > know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. > > Enjoy > Steve-S > #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo > > PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of > print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-)

You must be young to consider '67 long enough ago for something to have gone out of copyright. Out of print has nothing to do with it. Do you think Disney wouldn't have a problem with you copying Snow White? Give it a try, see what happens. How about the Beatle's Sargent Pepper? Do you believe that the movie itself is so old that you can be "pretty sure" it's copyright has expired? Why not post the whole thing for us? I believe Time-Warner would be the current owner. Give 'em a call, ask 'em if it's ok to post it. To be fair, if you have the original soundtrack to record and post, you know who to call first to ask if it's ok, rather than relying on being "pretty sure." Just so you know, under current law a copyright lasts the life of the author plus 75 years. This law wasn't the one in effect at the time Grand Prix was made, as I recall the law at the time was that a copyright lasted 38 years, renewable for another 38, for a total of 76. Grand Prix wouldn't even be quite up to its renewal date yet. Look, I really don't mean to be snide, and I'm not trying to rip you a new asshole or anything. I'm really just trying to get you to think for a minute, and make you a bit more aware of what is involved. You have posted an illegal binary. It dosn't seem you meant to because you were "pretty sure" you hadn't. This won't save you from prosecution. Minimum fine is $200, whether there has been fininacial lose shown or not. If you want to be "pretty sure" you can be sure that anything published since WWII is still under copyright. I've been recording songs first recorded in 1929, and I'll have to pay royalties, they are still under copyright. Unless you know *for sure* that it isn't under copyright, you can be "pretty sure" that it is. If you want to know *for sure* just call the publisher and ask.

Thanks for your concern. I'll try and pay closer attention in the future. Please don't dload the soundtrack unless you own a copy of the album. Steve-S On Sun, 7 May 2000 18:49:20 -0400, "kevingav" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Steve Sarlls" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all >> might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. >> I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a >> single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me >> know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. >> >> Enjoy >> Steve-S >> #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo >> >> PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of >> print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-) > > >You must be young to consider '67 long enough ago for something to have gone >out of copyright. Out of print has nothing to do with it. > >Do you think Disney wouldn't have a problem with you copying Snow White? >Give it a try, see what happens. > >How about the Beatle's Sargent Pepper? > >Do you believe that the movie itself is so old that you can be "pretty sure" >it's copyright has expired? Why not post the whole thing for us? I believe >Time-Warner would be the current owner. Give 'em a call, ask 'em if it's ok >to post it. To be fair, if you have the original soundtrack to record and >post, you know who to call first to ask if it's ok, rather than relying on >being "pretty sure." > >Just so you know, under current law a copyright lasts the life of the author >plus 75 years. This law wasn't the one in effect at the time Grand Prix was >made, as I recall the law at the time was that a copyright lasted 38 years, >renewable for another 38, for a total of 76. Grand Prix wouldn't even be >quite up to its renewal date yet. > >Look, I really don't mean to be snide, and I'm not trying to rip you a new >asshole or anything. I'm really just trying to get you to think for a >minute, and make you a bit more aware of what is involved. > >You have posted an illegal binary. It dosn't seem you meant to because you >were "pretty sure" you hadn't. This won't save you from prosecution. Minimum >fine is $200, whether there has been fininacial lose shown or not. > >If you want to be "pretty sure" you can be sure that anything published >since WWII is still under copyright. I've been recording songs first >recorded in 1929, and I'll have to pay royalties, they are still under >copyright. Unless you know *for sure* that it isn't under copyright, you can >be "pretty sure" that it is. If you want to know *for sure* just call the >publisher and ask. > >

"Steve Sarlls" <[email hidden]> wrote > Thanks for your concern. I'll try and pay closer attention in the > future. Please don't dload the soundtrack unless you own a copy of > the album. If it was only available <g>. Good luck finding it, it's only available on Vinyl, and it's a very rare album. Just FYI, it's under MGM album records 1E/S1E-8ST 12inch vinyl MONO. It's shaped like a a fold-open cover with some sort of book included with it. Here is the track list on my copy : Overture Scott & Pat - Sarti & Louise Theme from "Grand Prix" Sarti's love theme (Bossa Nova) The Zandvoort race (Scott's Comeback) The Clermont race Scott's theme (Bossa Nova) Sarti's love theme In the Garden The Lonely Race Track Total time : 41minutes There is also a best of album of Maurice Jarre (who scored the music for the movie and an incredible amount of great scores such as Lawrence of Arabia, The Longest Day and Doctor Zhivago) by mmmm... Rhino Records I think that includes music from the movie (NOT the one from Silva Screen). There is so many great scores by the artist that it's hard to find the theme in his CD "best-of" releases. It included the main theme from the movie Im about sure. Btw, the main theme from the movie is somehow re-used in "The Love bug". Made me smile when I heard it last week ;) Great funny racing movie. I think I once saw the theme on an album by the Cinema Sound Stage Orchestra He's still doing movie scores at the age of 76 btw! He is also the father of Jean-Michel Jarre. Yeah, the same guy who played at the pyramids for Y2k. -- movie music buff of r.a.s. -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net

Aside from the theme, what else is in there??? All I really want is the sounds of the cars =) -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA" Steve Sarlls <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all > might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. > I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a > single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me > know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. > > Enjoy > Steve-S > #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo > > PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of > print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-) >

As written... >You must be young to consider '67 long enough ago for something to have gone >out of copyright. Out of print has nothing to do with it. (snip) >You have posted an illegal binary. It dosn't seem you meant to because you >were "pretty sure" you hadn't. This won't save you from prosecution. Minimum >fine is $200, whether there has been fininacial lose shown or not. First off, thanks for the binary posting! Don't take this as a personal attack- given the hair-trigger nonsense about anything involving the Net these days, caution is certainly prudent...but... While the spirit of what you're saying is reasonable, you're pushing the point by arguing that posting this is illegal- Speedvision and AMC both show this film quite frequently. Complaining about rebroadcasts (usenet posting, albeit a minor snippet, certainly fits the bill) is as absurd as complaining about people circulating tapes for personal viewing. Have you ever borrowed a tape from a friend, with no monetary compensation, to watch, say, a Grand Prix? If you live in the US, you probably have!! By your logic, this too is illegal. Are web sites showing snips of Grand Prix qualifying illegal? I sure hope not, because I can't get the goddamn qualifying on TV, but that's another story for another day....and if so, why hasn't the FIA prosecuted them? They're certainly ruthless enough..... Who's to say that I don't have a copy of Grand Prix (I do) and sampled the songs- in fact, a stereo broadcast taped onto a VCR has a better sound quality than any pre-made audio tape, and it's clearly better than recording from an LP. Then I give the samples to a friend, for the same price as the net posting cost. Nothing. Do I owe anybody $200? Does he? Did I pay for the film I recorded? Nope- taped it when AMC was doing a free-weekend preview. The only difference between is how you arrived at the samples- did you record from your videotape (again, personal use here, it's never been illegal to tape a broadcast) or did you download from the net? You can argue about the evil internet all you want- the distribution medium is the only difference. How does that make it illegal? If I don't sell copies, where's the law being broken? If the producer chooses to make something freely available, how can you argue that they can file for damages? This isn't "The Phantom Menace" being posted on the net three months before the VCR version is released here....this is an ancient movie with an out-of-print soundtrack. Is the copyright expired? Of course it's not. But how is this distribution different from a free viewing being taped? I don't see the copyright arguement entering into this at all, unless it was sold for a profit. Good luck finding this soundtrack. You'll be very hard pressed to do so- and this file certainly wasn't posted for profit, nor was it posted to deter sales for a nonexistent product. At best, it saved somebody the time to sample and convert to MP3. Again, personal use is the arguement here. How can you say there's been any loss to the producer of the medium when it's freely available to copy (on TV, radio, whatever)? Enough prattle. Time to run some laps at the Glen.... J

On Sun, 7 May 2000 22:19:09 -0700, "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>There isn't much in the way of car sounds on the soundtrack unfortunately. I >mixed it with some stereo recordings I made at a Long Beach F1 race and >always take it along in the car when we head to the races<g>. > >An interesting Grand Prix tidbit...A friend attended an awards dinner in Los >Angeles a year or two ago where James Garner, Phil Hill and Grand Prix >Director of Photography, Johnny Stephens showed outtakes from Grand Prix, >including details of Johnny's camera mounts and how special effects were >done in the days before digital voodoo. I'm trying to contact Mr. Stephens >through the Directors Guild to see if copies could be made available.

Sometimes Speedvison runs an interview with John Frankenheimer. Probably same footage. Very interesting to see the nitrogen- powered rocket-car fired into the Monte Carlo harbor...

"Jeff Salzmann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > As written... > > >You must be young to consider '67 long enough ago for something to havegone > >out of copyright. Out of print has nothing to do with it. > > (snip) > > >You have posted an illegal binary. It dosn't seem you meant to becauseyou > >were "pretty sure" you hadn't. This won't save you from prosecution.Minimum

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> >fine is $200, whether there has been fininacial lose shown or not. > > First off, thanks for the binary posting! > > Don't take this as a personal attack- given the hair-trigger nonsense > about anything involving the Net these days, caution is certainly > prudent...but... > > While the spirit of what you're saying is reasonable, you're pushing > the point by arguing that posting this is illegal-

It is not only reasonable, I'm not pushing the point. It is what a lawyer would consider "Black letter" law. The law just plain states it is illegal. Period. Not open to interpretation. Another common "black letter" law that you might relate to is the age of consent. There is no wiggle room, no interpretation. The law is explicit as written. If you try to defend yourself by telling the judge it was the day before her birthday and stick to that defence you will get a HARSHER sentence, not a dismisal or leniency.

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> > Speedvision and AMC both show this film quite frequently. Complaining > about rebroadcasts (usenet posting, albeit a minor snippet, certainly > fits the bill) is as absurd as complaining about people circulating > tapes for personal viewing. Have you ever borrowed a tape from a > friend, with no monetary compensation, to watch, say, a Grand Prix? If > you live in the US, you probably have!! By your logic, this too is > illegal. Are web sites showing snips of Grand Prix qualifying illegal? > I sure hope not, because I can't get the goddamn qualifying on TV, but > that's another story for another day....and if so, why hasn't the FIA > prosecuted them? They're certainly ruthless enough.....

These are logical arguments from a personal point of view. Not legal arguments. They are legally wrong. By the way, I live in the US and have never borrowed a tape of any sporting event from a friend. As for Grand Prixs specifically, I legally purchase the right to watch them. I watch or tape them for my own use, period, which, by the way, the law specifically allows. It specifically disallows you for giving the copy to a friend. This is just the law. Whether you agree with or not is irrelevant. My view is not based on "logic." It is based on law. Perhaps the law isn't always logical, it is, none the less, still the law. The FIA may be ruthless enough, I have never been a Bernie fan and, personally, believe he has damaged F1 beyond redemption, NEVER let a lawyer run the show, but they don't have perfect knowledge either. I'm sure that if you notified the proper person a cease and desist letter would arrive at every illegal poster.

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> > Who's to say that I don't have a copy of Grand Prix (I do) and sampled > the songs- in fact, a stereo broadcast taped onto a VCR has a better > sound quality than any pre-made audio tape, and it's clearly better > than recording from an LP. Then I give the samples to a friend, for > the same price as the net posting cost. Nothing. Do I owe anybody > $200? Does he?

I can't say you don't have a legal copy. If you do, you have the explicit legal right to make copies *for you own personal use.* You do not have the right to download it. See the recent decision against MP3.com. Again, this is the law. You may disagree. You may choose to violate it. It is still the law. In your above example the law says, explicitly, that yes, you owe $200. You have illegally distributed property which was not yours. You are a thief. What you gained by the theft is legally irrelevant to the theft itself. Your friend can have his copy seized. It is a stolen good.

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> Did I pay for the film I recorded? Nope- taped it when AMC was doing a > free-weekend preview. The only difference between is how you arrived > at the samples- did you record from your videotape (again, personal > use here, it's never been illegal to tape a broadcast) or did you > download from the net? You can argue about the evil internet all you > want- the distribution medium is the only difference. How does that > make it illegal? If I don't sell copies, where's the law being broken?

No, the distributuion method isn't the only difference. AMC *payed* for the rights to broadcast. That's a big difference. They have an actual contract with the copyright holder allowing the broadcast in exchange for consideration. Legally this is a *big* difference. The poster has no such contract, or permission of any sort. You have to say "please," at the least for it to be legal to post it. As I pointed out to the original poster, if he had a copy of the record he KNEW exactly who to call to ask please. It isn't hard. He could have done it. For various reasons he didn't. Legally that is his failure.

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> > If the producer chooses to make something freely available, how can > you argue that they can file for damages? This isn't "The Phantom > Menace" being posted on the net three months before the VCR version is > released here....this is an ancient movie with an out-of-print > soundtrack. Is the copyright expired? Of course it's not. But how is > this distribution different from a free viewing being taped? I don't > see the copyright arguement entering into this at all, unless it was > sold for a profit.

The producer didn't make it freely available. As above, he charged money to make it available. The law limits what you as an end viewer can do with that broadcast. You may choose not to understand the difference, or just plain disagree with it. It is fact none the less. Your claim that it is ancient is just plain fallacious. It is recent. In the purely legal sense it is "new" enough that it is still under copyright *under a law that gives the LEAST protection to the copyright holder.* Bach is ancient. Bach is dead. Neither Bach nor his hiers have any remaining rights to his works. Explain to Paul McCartney that "Yesterday" is "ancient" and thus you may do as you will with it. Or maybe you have to explain it to Micheal Jackson. :) Look at it this way, if I have a lawnmower in my garage that I havn't used since 1967 do you feel that that gives you the right to take it without asking? If you do, do you think the police and a judge will agree with you?

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> > Good luck finding this soundtrack. You'll be very hard pressed to do > so- and this file certainly wasn't posted for profit, nor was it > posted to deter sales for a nonexistent product. At best, it saved > somebody the time to sample and convert to MP3. Again, personal use is > the arguement here. How can you say there's been any loss to the > producer of the medium when it's freely available to copy (on TV, > radio, whatever)?

This argument is why I specifically pointed out that the law specifies a MINIMUM punitive fine of $200 even if there was no monetary damage. The law has seen this argument before, and has rejected it absolutely. Monetary damage is irrelevant. As in the above analogy of the lawnmower I might not have suffered any monetary loss by your taking it. Maybe you even brought it back. You have still commited at least two criminal acts. You can be prosocuted for those acts, even though I would *loose* a civil suit against you. The posting of material for which you do not have the legal rignts to do so is a *criminal* act, regardless of monetary concerns. If the person who posted it realizes this and wishes to post it anyway, well, that's his choice. If you wish to condone it and download it, again, that is your discision. I havn't anyware made the argument that it is "wrong," I have just pointed out its explicit legality. Rationalizations don't effect this law. Your own personal moral threshold is you own, but irrelevant to the law. Personally, I have held the opinion that piracy of intectual property can be a great boon to the rights holder under certain circumstances. I have often posted id as a prime example of this. With regards to the music industry the Greatful Dead developed making money off piracy to fine art. It is wonder to behold. In all likelyhood, since you consider 1967 as "ancient" that I have been professionally involved in the music and publishing industry longer than you have been alive. Certainly long enough for 1967 to be clearly remembered. I saw Grand Prix on it's original release in the sort of big screen theater that hasn't even been built since WWII. I'm afraid that in this matter I simply know better than you do what the law is. The posting of the soundtrack is illegal. It is a "warz" file. Period. No wiggle room. > > Enough prattle. Time to run some laps at the Glen.... Here we are in absolute and perfect agreement. The Glen and Lime Rock are my favorite tracks, and the fact that I live midway between the two has nothing, NOTHING I say, to do with it. :) Regards and happy lapping, Kevin F. Gavitt

"Steve Sarlls" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all > might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. > I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a > single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me > know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. > > Enjoy > Steve-S > #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo > > PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of > print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-) >

I have just gone and done something entirely radical, I have done actual research. Under the law that *currently* applies to the Grand Prix soundtrack, and the movie itself for that matter, its copyright will expire in 2062. At that point it will be legally declared "ancient." Not one minute before. As an industry professional this took me less than 5 minutes. Anyone else with access to a library, or the web, as I believe all of us here have, could have duplicated my results in less than an hour. A littlte research, or simply asking your reference librarian, can often save you from, quite inadvertantly, breaking the law. For those who want the actual law a copyright currently lasts the life of the author plus 70 years if the author is an individual, and 95 years if a corporation. As of October 27, 1998, this law is RETROACTIVE. Think about it for moment and I think you'll see yourself that most property laws last for * at least* the life of the original owner, and usually the life of heirs as well. Intellectual property laws do indeed give the LEAST rights to the owner of any property , but even so 1967 is VERY recent by any property law. I will refer again to my example of the Beatles' recordings. Would anyone here assume that the Beatles' are so old that they are out of copyright? I seriously doubt it, and yet they are contemporanious with Grand Prix. Mickey Mouse was invented in the 20's, does anyone here believe that Disney dosn't hold exclusive rights to Mickey? Again I doubt it. I doubt Steve believes it either, and has simply made the mistake of not thinking it through very hard. So then, note that I have *NOT* flamed Steve, nor made any argument about the morality of what he did. I have ONLY noted his mistake in believing his actions were legal. They weren't. If he's comfortable with that, that's his business. If you're comfortable downloading it, that's your business. It is absolutely an illegal pirate file though. Deal with that *fact* as you will. Kevin F. Gavitt

On Mon, 08 May 2000 01:05:09 GMT, Steve Sarlls <[email hidden]> wrote: > Thanks for your concern. I'll try and pay closer attention in the >future. Please don't dload the soundtrack unless you own a copy of >the album. > > Steve-S Uh... I own a copy of the album, I do! So could you post the MP3 on a website for me please? :))) PS I own a copy of the album on tape... Andre

I found my 2 copies on Ebay. One in mint the other, Pre-release I think, in near mint. Now if only I had a turntable. :-) Steve-S #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo On Mon, 08 May 2000 03:08:23 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Steve Sarlls" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Thanks for your concern. I'll try and pay closer attention in the >> future. Please don't dload the soundtrack unless you own a copy of >> the album. > > >If it was only available <g>. Good luck finding it, it's only available on >Vinyl, and it's a very rare album. > >Just FYI, it's under MGM album records 1E/S1E-8ST 12inch vinyl MONO. It's >shaped like a a fold-open cover with some sort of book included with it. > >Here is the track list on my copy : > >Overture >Scott & Pat - Sarti & Louise >Theme from "Grand Prix" >Sarti's love theme (Bossa Nova) >The Zandvoort race (Scott's Comeback) >The Clermont race >Scott's theme (Bossa Nova) >Sarti's love theme >In the Garden >The Lonely Race Track >Total time : 41minutes > > > > >There is also a best of album of Maurice Jarre (who scored the music for >the movie and an incredible amount of great scores such as Lawrence of >Arabia, The Longest Day and Doctor Zhivago) by mmmm... Rhino Records I think >that includes music from the movie (NOT the one from Silva Screen). There >is so many great scores by the artist that it's hard to find the theme in >his CD "best-of" releases. It included the main theme from the movie Im >about sure. Btw, the main theme from the movie is somehow re-used in "The >Love bug". Made me smile when I heard it last week ;) Great funny racing >movie. > >I think I once saw the theme on an album by the Cinema Sound Stage Orchestra >He's still doing movie scores at the age of 76 btw! He is also the father >of Jean-Michel Jarre. Yeah, the same guy who played at the pyramids for >Y2k. > >-- movie music buff of r.a.s. >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.WeRace.net > >

I think we all know that posting copyrighted material without consent is illegal. frankly with all the laws out government breaks and all the laws they write to protect criminals and oppress victims I have a very difficult time abiding by laws unless I see that to not do so would cause harm to others. I didn't think that posting a soundtrack would cause anyone any harm. Particularly since this soundtrack is rather old, by my standards, and difficult, if not impossible, to obtain in a format useable by most peoples music equipment. If this offends your sense of profesionalism or honesty I appologize. When this nations government is honest I'll pay much closer attention to the laws whether I think thier good ones or not. Until then I do as I please. Good Day Steve-S PS. You can try catching me on Napster if you want. I'm on occasionally. name is F**kingSressed without the *'s of course. :-) On Mon, 8 May 2000 09:33:41 -0400, "kevingav" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Steve Sarlls" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I read some posts about background music for GPL and thought y'all >> might like to listen to the soundtrack from Grand Prix while driving. >> I do and I enjoy it alot. It's posted in alt.binaries.simulators as a >> single zip file. It's rather large so if parts don't make it let me >> know and I'll see if I can break it down to individual songs. >> >> Enjoy >> Steve-S >> #63 Warbirds Chevy Monte Carlo >> >> PS. I'm pretty sure the copyright has expired. It's been out of >> print for some time. Anyone have a turntable??? :-) >> > >I have just gone and done something entirely radical, I have done actual >research. Under the law that *currently* applies to the Grand Prix >soundtrack, and the movie itself for that matter, its copyright will expire >in 2062. At that point it will be legally declared "ancient." Not one minute >before. > >As an industry professional this took me less than 5 minutes. Anyone else >with access to a library, or the web, as I believe all of us here have, >could have duplicated my results in less than an hour. > >A littlte research, or simply asking your reference librarian, can often >save you from, quite inadvertantly, breaking the law. > >For those who want the actual law a copyright currently lasts the life of >the author plus 70 years if the author is an individual, and 95 years if a >corporation. As of October 27, 1998, this law is RETROACTIVE. > >Think about it for moment and I think you'll see yourself that most property >laws last for * at least* the life of the original owner, and usually the >life of heirs as well. Intellectual property laws do indeed give the LEAST >rights to the owner of any property , but even so 1967 is VERY recent by any >property law. > >I will refer again to my example of the Beatles' recordings. Would anyone >here assume that the Beatles' are so old that they are out of copyright? I >seriously doubt it, and yet they are contemporanious with Grand Prix. Mickey >Mouse was invented in the 20's, does anyone here believe that Disney dosn't >hold exclusive rights to Mickey? Again I doubt it. > >I doubt Steve believes it either, and has simply made the mistake of not >thinking it through very hard. > >So then, note that I have *NOT* flamed Steve, nor made any argument about >the morality of what he did. I have ONLY noted his mistake in believing his >actions were legal. They weren't. > >If he's comfortable with that, that's his business. If you're comfortable >downloading it, that's your business. > >It is absolutely an illegal pirate file though. Deal with that *fact* as you >will. > >Kevin F. Gavitt >

"don hodgdon" wrote: > Mine is MGM S1E-8 ST Stereo<g>. Funny you say that Don.... I've borrowed Matt's *real* Grand Prix Soundtrack.. "The exciting sounds of Grand Prix" or something in that ball-park.. It contains recording from Various Grand Prix races from the '66 season (I think) In the upper left corner on the cover theres a little label that reads something like this: "This record is recorded in stereo, but will also play on more *modern* MONO players!" Thoose were the days - eh? :)) Ed_

I know I'm gonna get a lot of 'but it's ILLEGAL!' replies on this post, but I think there is nothing wrong to post a soundtrack of a 30-year old movie which is hardly available in the stores anymore. I just did a search on soundtrack sites on Yahoo (there's lots of them by the way) and no single site had the Grand Prix soundtrack available. Besides, even if they did, I don't have a LP player anymore. Technically it is illegal, even if there was not a single copy via legal ways obtainable in the whole wide world, but the posts about 'I did some research and it is ILLEGAL' were really out of line here. Much ado about nothing is the correct expression for this I believe? PS If you ever see a nice picture of a racecar on the internet, and want to download it to use it as your wallpaper, be sure to do some research in your local library to see if there is any copyright on the picture, otherwise you're doing something ILLEGAL! :) Andre On Mon, 08 May 2000 17:31:57 GMT, Steve Sarlls <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I think we all know that posting copyrighted material without >consent is illegal. frankly with all the laws out government breaks >and all the laws they write to protect criminals and oppress victims I >have a very difficult time abiding by laws unless I see that to not do >so would cause harm to others. I didn't think that posting a >soundtrack would cause anyone any harm. Particularly since this >soundtrack is rather old, by my standards, and difficult, if not >impossible, to obtain in a format useable by most peoples music >equipment. If this offends your sense of profesionalism or honesty I >appologize. When this nations government is honest I'll pay much >closer attention to the laws whether I think thier good ones or not. >Until then I do as I please. > >Good Day >Steve-S > >PS. You can try catching me on Napster if you want. I'm on >occasionally. name is F**kingSressed without the *'s of course. >:-)

Or some things have been given to public domain - like the ICR1 Indy track pack. I remember someone here said they emailed Papy about it and they said just go d/l it on the net somewhere... And, yes, while some things are technically illegal, are they really going to prosecute on things like the Grand Prix soundtrack? They haven't made a $ off of that in years I bet. -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA"

Hey, no reactions at all... so everybody agrees with me, even DGF! :) Andre On Mon, 08 May 2000 22:37:49 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I know I'm gonna get a lot of 'but it's ILLEGAL!' replies on this >post, but I think there is nothing wrong to post a soundtrack of a >30-year old movie which is hardly available in the stores anymore. >I just did a search on soundtrack sites on Yahoo (there's lots of them >by the way) and no single site had the Grand Prix soundtrack >available. Besides, even if they did, I don't have a LP player >anymore. > >Technically it is illegal, even if there was not a single copy via >legal ways obtainable in the whole wide world, but the posts about 'I >did some research and it is ILLEGAL' were really out of line here. >Much ado about nothing is the correct expression for this I believe? > >PS If you ever see a nice picture of a racecar on the internet, and >want to download it to use it as your wallpaper, be sure to do some >research in your local library to see if there is any copyright on the >picture, otherwise you're doing something ILLEGAL! :) > >Andre

lol........ didn't it ? :) Ash http://www.race-timing.com Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3JUR4.1183$[email hidden]... | I remember a song about GPL from some dude called Brain Adams. It's titled | "The summer of 67" | I goes like this: "I got my first real slipstream back at Watkins Glen,... | Errrrr... wait a minute... it wasn't like that was it? ;-) | |

I remember a song about GPL from some dude called Brain Adams. It's titled "The summer of 67" I goes like this: "I got my first real slipstream back at Watkins Glen,... Errrrr... wait a minute... it wasn't like that was it? ;-)