A RAS Newbies thoughts...........

Hi all..... For those that don't know me, you do now. An avid online GPL'er (thanks to the introduction Herr Seery all that time ago) and a perhaps misplaced loyalty to the beatiful Red Car, I am a little worried........... why?, you ask............. Well.I 'tried' an F2 race the other day.......what a load of cack..... ....afterall, that was ALL was on offer on VROC. Ijust cannot see the enjoyment of racing round a half speed!! It WAS at Spa, and I managed to light, smoke and extingush a fag...as I entered the str8 and just before I reached Masta !!! Now, I know that there are a few people out there, who just LOVE the F2 scene..........but WHY? The 'closer-racing' adage is a little worn, but is there any other reason, except that one and the other, "F1 is just too unrealistic........" that could possibly help me understand?? As for F3...don't even go there!! Anyways....... Keep healthy all.......... Nosher

On Mon, 08 May 2000 20:13:13 +0100, [email hidden] wrote:

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>An avid online GPL'er (thanks to the introduction Herr Seery all that >time ago) and a perhaps misplaced loyalty to the beatiful Red Car, I >am a little worried........... >why?, you ask............. >Well.I 'tried' an F2 race the other day.......what a load of cack..... >....afterall, that was ALL was on offer on VROC. Ijust cannot see the >enjoyment of racing round a half speed!! It WAS at Spa, and I managed >to light, smoke and extingush a fag...as I entered the str8 and just >before I reached Masta !!!

If you're only achieving "half speed", I suspect smoke is getting in your eyes. >Now, I know that there are a few people out there, who just LOVE the >F2 scene..........but WHY? The 'closer-racing' adage is a little worn, >but is there any other reason, except that one and the other, "F1 is >just too unrealistic........" that could possibly help me understand?? I believe one of the main attractions of F2 aficionados is the general atmosphere of the F2 community. There appears to be far less of the " I will win this race on the first lap, in Turn 1 " lunacy that is so prevalent in online F1 events. It appears the F2 contestants are happy to sacrifice the thrill of the F1 cars to participate in events that actually resemble races. Steve Smith's F2 Superguide says it best: " There are those among us in the virtual racing community who believe the highest level of samadhi in Papyrus' immortal Grand Prix Legends is not to be found in the Formula 1 cars--whose raw power and ragged control seem as prehistoric as the troglodytic Unlimited Hydros in powerboat racing--but in the grace and balance of the Formula 2 cars (called "Advanced Trainers" in the game due to some obscure legal beef, just as the doughty little Formula 3s are elliptically referred to as "Novice Trainers"). It wasn't supposed to be this way." " The F2s aren't really trainers at all, but superb racers in their own right. Mastering the welterweight F2s will in no way prepare you for a title bout with the Neanderthal F1s, but they will teach you the art of motor racing without the excess baggage of too much power and too little car control. The F2s may not be as spectacular as the F1s, but by the same token, F2 racing does not attract the grandstanders, the show-offs, or those annoying thrill-kills who like to spoil everybody else's sport by blasting around the track the wrong way taking out all the serious racers. I won't say the denizens of F2 are a bunch of mincing aesthetes, but they're a bit more refined than the ego-poisoned bullies who like to throw their weight around in F1 events. Like they say, if a little is good, a lot isn't necessarily better." Amen. >As for F3...don't even go there!! Wouldn't think of it. Go here instead: http://www.simracing.com/guides/f2superguide/index.shtml -- a m b i e n t a t m i n d s p r i n g d o t c o m

Burn the non-believer!! ;-) Seriously Phil (was it?), you're missing the point completely. Spa is not a good venue for this type of racing... the cockpit workload is indeed fairly low and without the buttclenching speed of the F1 to get the adrenaline flowing, it can produce a false representation of the "scene". Hardcore F2 and F3 racers will still find it challenging as one needs to run a very clean line on the track to get the good laptimes. There's two main reasons behind racing the lower formulea online: 1) They are easier to drive (then again, this entails having to drive them closer to the edge to be competitive), allowing more of your concentration to be devoted to racing and SA. 2) The speed and speed differences are lower so it's easier to deal with the phenomena associated with online racing (latency, warping, slomo/FF, etc...). I touched on a 3rd issue for the purist among us. Not having the power to "correct" slight mistakes forces you to drive a clean, smooth line. Seeing as every mph lost takes forever to get back (especially in F3) you can not just chuck it at a corner, drive through the resulting mess and still expect a reasonable time (you can't even do that in F1 at some levels of competition). Needless to say I like the lower formulae, I drive in Mark Seery's F3 league and find challenge and excitement in most everywhere we go (except super speedways, they get really boring once you get dropped out of the draft -( ). Don't get me wrong, I like F1 racing too, but you need a very good bunch of sensible and talented drivers to have a good race. Cheers, Jan. =--- nosher wrote...

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><snip> > Now, I know that there are a few people out there, who just LOVE the > F2 scene..........but WHY? The 'closer-racing' adage is a little worn, > but is there any other reason, except that one and the other, "F1 is > just too unrealistic........" that could possibly help me understand?? > > As for F3...don't even go there!!

Hi Phil. Long time no see me old mukka ;-) > As for F3...don't even go there!! Hehe. I used to stuff you in my F1 Cooper. Are ya scared of being whipped in the pussycats? <G> Cya soon mate MS

<[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]... > It WAS at Spa, and I managed > to light, smoke and extingush a fag...as I entered the str8 and just > before I reached Masta !!! So what laptimes were you doing, Phil? Maybe you just didn't try hard enough. Personally I love the F2 at Spa even without a fag. Bye, Leo

Hi Mark !! >Long time no see me old mukka ;-) > >> As for F3...don't even go there!! > >Hehe. I used to stuff you in my F1 Cooper. Are ya scared of being whipped in >the pussycats? <G> Is Jan and Andy still about perchance........ ....oh, and anytime mate,,,,,,,,,,,,,no longer the complete rookie I ONCE was !! <G> Warmest regards my friend! Nosh.

Hi mg.... >I believe one of the main attractions of F2 aficionados is the general >atmosphere of the F2 community. There appears to be far less >of the " I will win this race on the first lap, in Turn 1 " lunacy >that is so prevalent in online F1 events. It appears the F2 >contestants are happy to sacrifice the thrill of the F1 cars to >participate in events that actually resemble races. Now THAT is a little unfair. Does that apply to ALL F1 advocates? I have yet won a race at Turn 1 !!! You obviously kick around the wrong part of the GPL F1 community, m8. > >Wouldn't think of it. Go here instead: > >http://www.simracing.com/guides/f2superguide/index.shtml Thanks, I'll take a look.. Regards Nosher.

I'm still here... mr Jones has wussed out tho'. (just checking if he lurks RAS <g>). Jan. =--- <[email hidden]> wrote...

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> Hi Mark !! > > Long time no see me old mukka ;-) > ><Snip> Is Jan and Andy still about perchance........ > > ....oh, and anytime mate,,,,,,,,,,,,,no longer the complete rookie I > ONCE was !! <G> > > Warmest regards my friend! > > Nosh.

In article <a_RR4.568$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Needless to say I like the lower formulae, I drive in Mark Seery's F3 league >and find challenge and excitement in most everywhere we go (except super >speedways, they get really boring once you get dropped out of the draft >-( ). Don't get me wrong, I like F1 racing too, but you need a very good >bunch of sensible and talented drivers to have a good race. Does it mess you up to change between F3 and F1? Just curious. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No it doesn't, but that could be just me. Others have commented on having to re-learn things after a switch. Jan. =--- EldredP wrote...

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> <snip> > Does it mess you up to change between F3 and F1? Just curious. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 10 May 2000 18:53:37 +0100, [email hidden] wrote in message <[email hidden]> : >Now THAT is a little unfair. Does that apply to ALL F1 advocates? I >have yet won a race at Turn 1 !!! Some of us still remember that race at the Ring <vbeg> Cheers, Richard