Re: Wonder what (if anything) is next in Papy's "Legends" series.....

There's N@50 and N1999 .. Didn't buy them but they were there :-) Jason. Mike Barlow wrote:

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> >so this is doubtful. I would like Papy to go back to making something > other > >than NASCAR sims (yes I like them...but 4 is enough!!). > > > 4? you can't count very well can you? ;-) > > N1, > N1 expansion, > N2 > N2 BGN > N2 trucks

N@50 N1999

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> > N3 > N3 Trucks > N4(not yet available) > > then there's.. > Indy500 > Indycar 1 > Indycar2 > GPL > I believe that's a 8 to 4 ratio. Unless I missed some in the NASCAR > series.

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL) http://members.home.net/stuff.mondsj/csp - Car Sim Project (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

And I'd be next in line, cash in hand! -- don "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... everything else is driver-error." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8fck8u$160$[email hidden]... > In article <8fci1g$25b$[email hidden]>, > PS - I'd pay $150 for "Sports Car Legends" or "GT Legends" - mid-60's > sports cars and Le Mans racers - oh, yes :). > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

In article <8fci1g$25b$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: > For pure commercial Appeal, "TV Legends", with "The General Lee" fromthe > "Dukes of Hazzard", KITT from "Knight Rider" and other famous carsfrom > films or TV. Then you could *be* Starsky and Hutch, at theNurburgring, or > thrash Steve McQueen's Mustang round Hockenheim. Naturally, it couldstill > be a sim, but with a broader appeal. Quick - cancel this post before a Sierra executive sees it!!! ;) Kendt PS - I'd pay $150 for "Sports Car Legends" or "GT Legends" - mid-60's sports cars and Le Mans racers - oh, yes :). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Well i think papy should go by decades for grand prix cars like GPL 2 1970s' GPL 3 1980s' ::drooling:: :) etc Thats in my opinion.

Well CART Legends might be a bit of a waste considering they cold just make a modern CART sim and have a "retro mode" where you can run the now defunct tracks (and old configurations of current ones) in addition to some of the old cars like the March, the 80s Penskes (PC-1 thru PC-3 I belive), and the old Buick and Judd engines. Wow im drooling just thinking about this. Unfortunatley neither CART or Legends seem to be in the Sierra/Havas dictionary so this is doubtful. I would like Papy to go back to making something other than NASCAR sims (yes I like them...but 4 is enough!!). However personally I would like to see Sports Car Legends. The thought of driving a Porsche 906 or 908 is just too much to bear :) Chris

Ross Hashana <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sm8S4.23058$[email hidden]... > How about: > Grand Prix Legends 2: The Turbo Years That would be amazing.

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> R. Hashana > > Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]... > > Sports Car Legends? > > Touring Car Legends? > > Sprint Car Legends? > > Grand Prix Legends 2? > > NASCAR Legends 2? > > Dirt Track Legends? > > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > > WOO Legends? > > > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > >

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>Racer88 wrote: >> >> Sports Car Legends? >> Touring Car Legends? >> Sprint Car Legends? >> Grand Prix Legends 2? >> NASCAR Legends 2? >> Dirt Track Legends?

I'd like to see Sports Car Legends Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Racer88 wrote: >> >> Sports Car Legends? >> Touring Car Legends? >> Sprint Car Legends? >> Grand Prix Legends 2? >> NASCAR Legends 2? >> Dirt Track Legends? >> NASCAR Modifieds Legends? >> WOO Legends? > >My vote would be for Touring Car Legends, the thought of drifting a >Lotus Cortina, Alfa GTA or even a Ford Galaxie through some of those >long lovely corners we have in GPL is ..........if I think more about >this I might just weep publicly...

How about World Touring Car Championship- yes, recreating the one year only, hughly popular Group A Touring Car Championship from the early 80's... Z. Please remove my_pants when replying.

They should make a Grand Prix Legends Legends game. Where we get to pretend we are Wolfgang, lake and the like doing ridiculous lap times :-) Todd.

Sports Car Legends? Touring Car Legends? Sprint Car Legends? Grand Prix Legends 2? NASCAR Legends 2? Dirt Track Legends? NASCAR Modifieds Legends? WOO Legends? What about a Legends Car sim? 8) Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!!

How about: Grand Prix Legends 2: The Turbo Years R. Hashana Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]...

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> Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends? > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!!

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> > Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends?

My vote would be for Touring Car Legends, the thought of drifting a Lotus Cortina, Alfa GTA or even a Ford Galaxie through some of those long lovely corners we have in GPL is ..........if I think more about this I might just weep publicly... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Wed, 10 May 2000 07:39:04 GMT, "Ross Hashana" <[email hidden]> wrote: >How about: >Grand Prix Legends 2: The Turbo Years > >R. Hashana Drool.... I can only dream about that one... Andre

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> >Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]... >> Sports Car Legends? >> Touring Car Legends? >> Sprint Car Legends? >> Grand Prix Legends 2? >> NASCAR Legends 2? >> Dirt Track Legends? >> NASCAR Modifieds Legends? >> WOO Legends? >> >> What about a Legends Car sim? 8) >> >> Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > >

GT Legengs, please. Same period as GPL, -maybe- a year or two later...Ford, Chaparall (sp?), Lola, Lotus, Ferrari...mmmm. Nice to see my favorite thread back. J. P. Hovercraft Racer88 wrote:

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> Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends? > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!!

I want GPL 2 from the 70's or Touring car Legends.

On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:43:48 GMT, "Racer88" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Sports Car Legends? >Touring Car Legends? >Sprint Car Legends? >Grand Prix Legends 2? >NASCAR Legends 2? >Dirt Track Legends? >NASCAR Modifieds Legends? >WOO Legends?

GPL 2. I would like to see the Turbo years as well. (unfortunately it wont happen) :~((

Just "Legends" would do - an open sim, where it's easy to make the appropriate cars, tracks and info. for any motor sport you'd care to recreate. One multi-purpose physics/graphics engine, with unlimited combinations of everything! By the time this has been developed, the internet should be faster, so the 'server' of each race can dictate which cars & track to use by downloading them to the clients (synchronizing problems solved). Also, everyone will be running 8ghz HurgleFlump Processors (TM), which can also be used to cook your breakfast if you remove the shielding... Oh no, sorry, my mistake - that happens above 700mhz, doesn't it? And maybe even MicroPants will have been split up by then ;) Hmmm.. rambled a bit there... Phil (vote for GPL2) Racer88 wrote:

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> > Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends? > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!!

I want GPL 2 from the 70's or Touring car Legends. Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]...

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> Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends? > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > >

Zonky wrote: > > How about World Touring Car Championship- > > yes, recreating the one year only, hughly popular Group A Touring Car > Championship from the early 80's... Volvo 240T's, BMW M635 CSi's, Rover 3500, Jaguar KJS's....yeah, I could go for that as well :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Racer88" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! How about a 1930s game that doesn't suck? ;-) Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

Racer88 wrote:

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> > Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends? > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!!

CART Legends!!!! -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

Ermm...GT Legends, rather. J. P. "J. P. Hovercraft" wrote:

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> GT Legengs, please. Same period as GPL, -maybe- a year or two > later...Ford, Chaparall (sp?), Lola, Lotus, Ferrari...mmmm. > > Nice to see my favorite thread back. > > J. P. Hovercraft > > Racer88 wrote: > > > Sports Car Legends? > > Touring Car Legends? > > Sprint Car Legends? > > Grand Prix Legends 2? > > NASCAR Legends 2? > > Dirt Track Legends? > > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > > WOO Legends? > > > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!!

"Matthew B.Knutsen" wrote: > > Goy. Honestly. Where's the 1071 Cooper S?????? > I want to whip your Galaxie butt around Goodwood in one! I also left out Austin A35's .....:-))) On the other hand, if you reread my post, I said *even* a Galaxie, so you would have to whip my Alfa GTA butt I'm afraid....... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Yeah, USAC Legends, with front engine Offys! Circa '65 before the "British Invasion"!! -Brian www.brianmclernon.com Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]...

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> Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends? > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > >

Goy. Honestly. Where's the 1071 Cooper S?????? I want to whip your Galaxie butt around Goodwood in one! Matt

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> > Sports Car Legends? > > Touring Car Legends? > > Sprint Car Legends? > > Grand Prix Legends 2? > > NASCAR Legends 2? > > Dirt Track Legends? > > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > > WOO Legends? > > My vote would be for Touring Car Legends, the thought of drifting a > Lotus Cortina, Alfa GTA or even a Ford Galaxie through some of those > long lovely corners we have in GPL is ..........if I think more about > this I might just weep publicly... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

J. P. Hovercraft <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> GT Legengs, please. Same period as GPL, -maybe- a year or two > later...Ford, Chaparall (sp?), Lola, Lotus, Ferrari...mmmm. > > Nice to see my favorite thread back. > > J. P. Hovercraft >

Hmm, Cobra Daytona, Cobra 427, Ferrari 250 GTO, Lightweight Jaguar E-type, Project D Astons... Hey, anyone see the TT at Goodwood last year? Best race I have ever seen in my life! Imagine overreving and spinning off in a �1mill 250 GTO! (Kudos Damon!) *faaaaaaint Matt

A Can-Am or Trans-Am legends sim would be cool. Brian McLernon wrote:

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> > Yeah, USAC Legends, with front engine Offys! > Circa '65 before the "British Invasion"!! > > -Brian > > www.brianmclernon.com > > Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]... > > Sports Car Legends? > > Touring Car Legends? > > Sprint Car Legends? > > Grand Prix Legends 2? > > NASCAR Legends 2? > > Dirt Track Legends? > > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > > WOO Legends? > > > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > > > > >

My Year of choice for GPL2 would either be either the late 30's or 1982. In 1982 you would have a wide range of machinery available, all very differant but all possible to win: The Turbos. These cars had an advantage at the altitude circuit (Kyalami) and the power circuits; Monza, Hockenheim etc. Renault: The Renault that year was quite often the fastest during qualifying but was let down by poor reliability in the races. Ferrari: Possibly the best car of the year, championship hopes dashed by Villeneuve dieing and Pironi attemting a similar fate. Brabham - BMW: Became one of the fastest cars towards the end of the year. Piquet won one race in Canada. Half way through the season Brabham introduced refueling which allowed them to use their power advantage to the upmost to gain an early lead. These tactics didn't work that year but led to what is now a part of F1 racing. Toleman - Hart: After managing to achieve non-qualification in all but 3 races during the previous one and a half seasons, Toleman finally came right and Warwick managed fastest lap at Zandvoort and amazingly (and I was there to witness it) ran second to a Niki Lauda for a while at Brands Hatch. The Normally aspirated. Reliable, quick on slower and medium speed tracks: Brabham: After a dissapointing first race Brabham resorted to the DFV powered car. Success came in Brazil till Piquet was disqualified. Piquet then ran the BMW engine while Patrese stuck with the DFV, scoring a win at Monaco. Willaims: Starting the season with the still competitive FW07, switched to the even better FW08 by Zolder. Rosberg was quite often beaten by the Turbos and even other DFV cars. Consistant points finishes and a brilliant win at Dijon brought the championship. Tyrrell: Michele Alboreto was often battling with Rosberg and was always at the front of the DFV "gang". Won the final round at Ceasers Palace. Mclaren: John Watson was runner up to Rosberg, he won at Zolder and Detroit. Lauda won at Long Beach and Brands Hatch. Despite these sucesses they were off pace at plenty of tracks. Alfa Romeo: De Ceseris scored a pole at Long Beach and ran second till putting it into the wall. Surprise! Surprise! The rest of the field were also rans. As you can see 1982 had more race winners than many season before or since. Anyone who remembers Rosberg and Villeneuve at Long Beach that year will understand the differance between the Turbos Power and the DFV's handling. Villeneuve was much faster on the straight and would come from 100 metres back at the start of the straight and just power by keke before the end. Through the twisty section Keke would just be able to get past Gilles as the Williams had superior handling. Back to the straight and Gilles would come like a rocket and pass Rosberg again. Eventually Gilles spun while braking at the end of the straight after slightly over doing it. Seeing as Spa was used again in 1983, maybe that could replace Zolder. The rest of the tracks should be okay. Would be an interesting sim if it had the same attention to detail that GPL had. Chris In article <sm8S4.23058$[email hidden]>, "Ross Hashana" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>How about: >Grand Prix Legends 2: The Turbo Years > >R. Hashana > >Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]... >> Sports Car Legends? >> Touring Car Legends? >> Sprint Car Legends? >> Grand Prix Legends 2? >> NASCAR Legends 2? >> Dirt Track Legends? >> NASCAR Modifieds Legends? >> WOO Legends? >> >> What about a Legends Car sim? 8) >> >> Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > > >

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On Wed, 10 May 2000 11:42:06 -0700, Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote: >My Year of choice for GPL2 would either be either the late 30's >or 1982. > >In 1982 you would have a wide range of machinery available, all >very differant but all possible to win: But let's face it: no-one would ever race on-line with anything but the turbos. It would be the Lotus thang just a million times worse. Plus you'd have to worry about a rampaging Jean-Marie Balestre running over the track, driving alone on the track while the AI drivers sit on strike in the motorhomes and worry about your moustache catching fire. <g>

Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > How about a 1930s game that doesn't suck? ;-) Yeah, a proper sim with the Auto Unions and Silver Arrows would be superb. None of that SoS trash. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk

For pure commercial Appeal, "TV Legends", with "The General Lee" from the "Dukes of Hazzard", KITT from "Knight Rider" and other famous cars from films or TV. Then you could *be* Starsky and Hutch, at the Nurburgring, or thrash Steve McQueen's Mustang round Hockenheim. Naturally, it could still be a sim, but with a broader appeal. Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]...

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> Sports Car Legends? > Touring Car Legends? > Sprint Car Legends? > Grand Prix Legends 2? > NASCAR Legends 2? > Dirt Track Legends? > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > WOO Legends? > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > >

"Racer88" <[email hidden]> wrote > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! Considering both "Legends" software by Papyrus are flops, we can't bet high that the powers-that-be suits at Sierra will green light another legend-type simulator, even if many of us would love to see them. It's just not popular enough for the mass market, and that's how Sierra works. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8fci1g$25b$[email hidden]... > For pure commercial Appeal, "TV Legends", with "The General Lee" from the > "Dukes of Hazzard", KITT from "Knight Rider" and other famous cars from > films or TV. Then you could *be* Starsky and Hutch, at the Nurburgring, or > thrash Steve McQueen's Mustang round Hockenheim. Naturally, it could still > be a sim, but with a broader appeal. Of course the logical continuation to this would be to include the Wacky Races cars. Dick Dastardly would certainly gives John Surtees a run for his money! Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk

LOL Don't foget Herbie the love bug or chitty chitty bang bang. LOL Hey what about a ride around The Glen in the Bat Mobile? :) Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8fci1g$25b$[email hidden]...

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> For pure commercial Appeal, "TV Legends", with "The General Lee" from the > "Dukes of Hazzard", KITT from "Knight Rider" and other famous cars from > films or TV. Then you could *be* Starsky and Hutch, at the Nurburgring, or > thrash Steve McQueen's Mustang round Hockenheim. Naturally, it could still > be a sim, but with a broader appeal. > > Racer88 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nG6S4.64348$[email hidden]... > > Sports Car Legends? > > Touring Car Legends? > > Sprint Car Legends? > > Grand Prix Legends 2? > > NASCAR Legends 2? > > Dirt Track Legends? > > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > > WOO Legends? > > > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > > > > > > >

Yeah I started to put that one in there but I think Papy has made it pretty clear that CART is not on there radar screen. Chuck Kandler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Racer88 wrote: > > > > Sports Car Legends? > > Touring Car Legends? > > Sprint Car Legends? > > Grand Prix Legends 2? > > NASCAR Legends 2? > > Dirt Track Legends? > > NASCAR Modifieds Legends? > > WOO Legends? > > > > What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > > > > Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > > CART Legends!!!! > > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: > http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! > > They'll call you names > And spit in your face, > But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

>so this is doubtful. I would like Papy to go back to making somethingother >than NASCAR sims (yes I like them...but 4 is enough!!). > 4? you can't count very well can you? ;-) N1, N1 expansion, N2 N2 BGN N2 trucks N3 N3 Trucks N4(not yet available) then there's.. Indy500 Indycar 1 Indycar2 GPL I believe that's a 8 to 4 ratio. Unless I missed some in the NASCAR series.

"Mike Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote > I believe that's a 8 to 4 ratio. Unless I missed some in the NASCAR > series. You missed repackaging and re-repackaging such as SIERRA's milk moneyers NASCAR : Deceleration pack and NASCAR Racing : 1999 buggy Edition. You also missed NASCAR "nobody races it online" Legends. Soon they will re-release Nascar Racing 1 as Nascar Racing Legends : 1993. Of course with the old game engine. You also ommited the obvious Nascar Racing 4 : Truck expansion pack. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>Would be an interesting sim if it had the same attention to >detail that GPL had. I'd definitely agree with that! 1982 has always been one of my favourite GP years, I even made an '82 GP2 carset which has probably disappeared in the archives of gp2.com somewhere :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

>But how about 84 or 85 for GPL3? 1988 would be another good one, as there would be a choice of Turbos or Normally-Aspirated engines, and drivers lie Senna, Prost, Mansell et al to race against. Although Papy would probably need to include an option which allows a host to ban anyone driving the McLaren in online races :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

In article <[email hidden]>, Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> writes: >Mclaren: John Watson was runner up to Rosberg, he won at Zolder >and Detroit Watson won Detroit CONVICINGLY, too. I was at that race. My one and only F1 race.<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Racer88 ([email hidden]) wrote: : Sports Car Legends? : Touring Car Legends? : Sprint Car Legends? : Grand Prix Legends 2? : NASCAR Legends 2? : Dirt Track Legends? : NASCAR Modifieds Legends? : WOO Legends? : What about a Legends Car sim? 8) : Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! Nah. Look farther, way farther.... Flintstones Racing, err Legends! Requires a totally different racing strategy. Yabba Dabba Doo! :-) GM

Well I was counting complete sims like N1 plus the expansion pack is one. N2 and BGN and N@50 are all the same thing. N99 added the trucks. Now we have N3 and the N3 trucks...that would be four. Oh and NL but I was talking modern. Now theoretically your right in that there are 8 total NASCAR related things from Papy but thats not the way I was counting it. So yes i can count :) (BTW I didnt take offense to that...just thought i would explain my thinking) Chris

On 10 May 2000 21:26:55 GMT, [email hidden] (Tony StewartNo20) wrote: >Well i think papy should go by decades for grand prix cars like >GPL 2 1970s' >GPL 3 1980s' ::drooling:: :) Which years though? I can't say much for 1970's. But how about 84 or 85 for GPL3?

On Thu, 11 May 2000 00:15:26 GMT, Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On 10 May 2000 21:26:55 GMT, [email hidden] (Tony >StewartNo20) wrote: > >>Well i think papy should go by decades for grand prix cars like >>GPL 2 1970s' >>GPL 3 1980s' ::drooling:: :) > > >Which years though? >I can't say much for 1970's. > >But how about 84 or 85 for GPL3?

How about something like the Tyrrell P-34, maybe AI sophisticated enough to 'be' Gilles Villeneuve? Never happen....

On 11 May 2000 00:47:42 GMT, gmontem@libra (GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR) wrote:

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>Racer88 ([email hidden]) wrote: >: Sports Car Legends? >: Touring Car Legends? >: Sprint Car Legends? >: Grand Prix Legends 2? >: NASCAR Legends 2? >: Dirt Track Legends? >: NASCAR Modifieds Legends? >: WOO Legends? > >: What about a Legends Car sim? 8) > >: Keep the Legends series alive too Papy team!!!!! > > >Nah. Look farther, way farther.... > > >Flintstones Racing, err Legends! Requires a totally different racing >strategy. Yabba Dabba Doo! :-)

So long as they model Goggles Pisano correctly. I hear drifting on those Goodrock tires is a real tough thing to learn ;)

not forgetting, of course, Nascar Pinball!!!!! -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm ICQ 25485061 Mike Barlow <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mQlS4.6788$[email hidden]... > >so this is doubtful. I would like Papy to go back to making something > other > >than NASCAR sims (yes I like them...but 4 is enough!!). > > > 4? you can't count very well can you? ;-) > > N1, > N1 expansion, > N2 > N2 BGN > N2 trucks > N3 > N3 Trucks > N4(not yet available) > > then there's.. > Indy500 > Indycar 1 > Indycar2 > GPL > I believe that's a 8 to 4 ratio. Unless I missed some in the NASCAR > series. > >

Why oh why oh why do you guys want to drive turbo cars in a sim??????????? The turbo cars were actually complete pigs to drive with horrific turbo lag. How many of you hate how the BRM delivers its power? nothing, nothing, nothing BANG!! it makes the car feel heavy and unresponsive ..... that is an 80s turbo F1 car for you. Most of the drivers disliked the actual driving experience of the turbo cars but the sheer power (1400bhp + in qualifying) made them so mind blowingly fast that there was a real thrill to them. This thrill though would never translate to a sim though, so all you are left with is a sim full of unweildy unresponsive cars.... I'd be happy to have GPL2 based in 1982 for all the reasons chris dictated ..... it was an awesome year in F1s history, with 7 different constructors winning races that year. But most importantly I could drive a sweet handling DFV powered cars like the FW08b and run rings around your turbo cars. Fortunately I think that the papy team have a good enough undestanding of race car dynamics so as not to make a GPL sequel set in the years after 1982. My choice? Well it has to be 1976 ... last year of the proper ring.... normally aspirated cars not very reliant on downforce and a 6 wheel tyrell to boot :) 82 would also be great for a sequel, but please please no horrible turbo only F1 sims :( 1983 - 1989 ) Marc Mercer oh ... and any sports car legends sim from 60s, 70s or 80s would make my lifetime :))))

"Jeff Salzmann" <[email hidden]> wrote > How about something like the Tyrrell P-34, maybe AI sophisticated > enough to 'be' Gilles Villeneuve? No AI will ever match Gilles... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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> > Nah. Look farther, way farther.... > > Flintstones Racing, err Legends! Requires a totally different racing > strategy. Yabba Dabba Doo! :-) > > GM

Well then let me be the first to offer a new racing controller for Flintstones Legends. Yes for just $999.99 +s&h we'll send you the flintsonetrack controller. We start with a Nordic Track treadmill and combine it with the large stock of old TM T2's we have here so you get the true yabba dabba doo feeling of powering your Flintstones racers with your feet. No pedals, no brakes, just your good ol soles. dave henrie

"Marc Mercer" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why oh why oh why do you guys want to drive turbo cars in a sim??????????? Let me guess... vroom... vroom ... ... VROOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!! ;) I personally would love to see any friggin F1 season using the GPL game engine. Anything! Well, anything that Gilles once raced :) Of course we know how pathetic Sierra wants their racing title to please the mass market and simply don't understand the value of targeting smaller groups like Flight simulators have been able to achieve. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Thu, 11 May 2000 02:45:55 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Jeff Salzmann" <[email hidden]> wrote >> How about something like the Tyrrell P-34, maybe AI sophisticated >> enough to 'be' Gilles Villeneuve? > > >No AI will ever match Gilles... Exactly my point. my origianl comment... How about something like the Tyrrell P-34, maybe AI sophisticated enough to 'be' Gilles Villeneuve? Never happen.... And it won't. Maybe cross the AI from a snowmobile-racing sim, sprinkle a little b-group rally, and make it all F1. Heck, it would be fun just to set it on autopilot and watch the AI simulate Gilles. Anybody with a tape of the Dijon race in '79 will get a case of good quality homebrew for a copy... And yes, you can collect at the GP of Canada this June.... J

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>You missed repackaging and re-repackaging such as SIERRA's milk moneyers >NASCAR : Deceleration pack and NASCAR Racing : 1999 buggy Edition. You also >missed NASCAR "nobody races it online" Legends. > > >Soon they will re-release Nascar Racing 1 as Nascar Racing Legends : 1993. >Of course with the old game engine. You also ommited the obvious Nascar >Racing 4 : Truck expansion pack.

ROTFLMAO!!! Good one Frank! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn "skotty20" Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ Member of The Sports Gaming Network: http://www.sports-gaming.com

On Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:09 -0700, "Brian McLernon" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yeah, USAC Legends, with front engine Offys! >Circa '65 before the "British Invasion"!! The invasion actually started in 1961 and was prominant by 1964. But that period, when things were in transition at the track would be very interesting. Besides, I want to drive a Novi...

On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:43:48 GMT, "Racer88" <[email hidden]> wrote: The only suggestion I'd add to the many good ones already given would be Can Am Legends. Unfortunately, the McLarens would be dominant if the game was realistic, but just seeing these orange beasties in the company of the Chaparrals and the Honker 427 Fords would be enough to sell the game to me...

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> "Matthew B.Knutsen" wrote: > > > > Goy. Honestly. Where's the 1071 Cooper S?????? > > I want to whip your Galaxie butt around Goodwood in one! > > I also left out Austin A35's .....:-))) > > On the other hand, if you reread my post, I said *even* a Galaxie, so > you would have to whip my Alfa GTA butt I'm afraid....... >

Muahaha, ok, some more space around you to pass at full lock with smoking front tires John Rhodes-style. Thanks :-D Matt

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Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Goy, what's a Jaguar KJ? > Is that what the XJ series was called down here? DOH !!! That should be XJS of course, I have those on tapes from Bathurst when they decided they wanted to win that one.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > I also left out Austin A35's .....:-))) > > > > On the other hand, if you reread my post, I said *even* a Galaxie, so > > you would have to whip my Alfa GTA butt I'm afraid....... > > > > Muahaha, ok, some more space around you to pass at full lock with smoking > front tires John Rhodes-style. Thanks :-D

Hey, we at "The Pits" aim to please, so you're most welcome :- Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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>Sports Car Legends? >Touring Car Legends? >Sprint Car Legends? >Grand Prix Legends 2? >NASCAR Legends 2? >Dirt Track Legends? >NASCAR Modifieds Legends? >WOO Legends? >

Naah ... my bet is a N4 exansion pack or N5 :( Hena

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Okay....I wasn't being a smart-arse; I really thought that the racing XJ's > may have been known as some other designation in the US. :-) LOL, I'm so used to the spell checker in Netscape catching the obvious typo's that I hardly ever proof read anymore, bad habit, I know, especially in a NG frequented by Bruce and Bart, the dynamic duo :-))) Seriously though, I think even our US friends kept the name on this one, as they have with most Jag's over the years I believe, guess even they know a great car when they get a chance to drive one.... :-) I loved those cars in the green livery they ran in the Bathurst races, and being run by TWR, they looked simply awesome as you'd expect Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

ROTFLMAO!!! Good one Frank! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn "skotty20" Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ Member of The Sports *** Network: [link lost in import: /***.com]

Goy, what's a Jaguar KJ? Is that what the XJ series was called down here? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Zonky wrote: > > > > How about World Touring Car Championship- > > > > yes, recreating the one year only, hughly popular Group A Touring Car > > Championship from the early 80's... > > Volvo 240T's, BMW M635 CSi's, Rover 3500, Jaguar KJS's....yeah, I could > go for that as well :-))) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

If you haven't seen it yet...SCGT car builders have produced the Mk 8 McClaren in all it's orange glory. Funny, when the modern-day Mclaren unveiled it's new car last year, the WEST sponsorship wasn't finalized yet, so they debut'd the car in traditional McClaren Orange...I was suprised to find that the new car didn't 'Look' right in the old color. (of course I still think current F1 cars are some of the OOGLIEST racers around) dave henrie "The Black Cat =^..^=" wrote:

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> > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:43:48 GMT, "Racer88" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > The only suggestion I'd add to the many good ones already given would > be Can Am Legends. Unfortunately, the McLarens would be dominant if > the game was realistic, but just seeing these orange beasties in the > company of the Chaparrals and the Honker 427 Fords would be enough to > sell the game to me...

Now that would certainly increase sales to the younger generations ;) -- Ian Parker == Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Ranault"??!! > Nothing like a name-change to boost sales....perhaps Rover will change > _their_ name to "Raver"!! :-) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

Phil Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:74kS4.4026$[email hidden]... <snip>> > > Of course the logical continuation to this would be to include the Wacky > Races cars. Dick Dastardly would certainly gives John Surtees a run forhis

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My God, your right! This will be brilliant! I'm going to learn to program, and I'll let you know how I'm getting on with this game next year: "Wacky Racer Legends" I will NOT be including Rendition support however.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Ranault"??!! >Nothing like a name-change to boost sales....perhaps Rover will change >_their_ name to "Raver"!! :-) I'm glad you didn't use Ford as an example... <g> Remco

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> >>But how about 84 or 85 for GPL3? > >1988 would be another good one, as there would be a choice of Turbos or >Normally-Aspirated engines, and drivers lie Senna, Prost, Mansell et al >to race against. > >Although Papy would probably need to include an option which allows a >host to ban anyone driving the McLaren in online races :-)

Well I think everyone would probably end up in a McLaren... with a yellow helmet :>

Who do I make the cheque out to? J. P. Hovercraft [email hidden] wrote:

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> In article <8fci1g$25b$[email hidden]>, > "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > For pure commercial Appeal, "TV Legends", with "The General Lee" from > the > > "Dukes of Hazzard", KITT from "Knight Rider" and other famous cars > from > > films or TV. Then you could *be* Starsky and Hutch, at the > Nurburgring, or > > thrash Steve McQueen's Mustang round Hockenheim. Naturally, it could > still > > be a sim, but with a broader appeal. > > Quick - cancel this post before a Sierra executive sees it!!! > ;) > > Kendt > > PS - I'd pay $150 for "Sports Car Legends" or "GT Legends" - mid-60's > sports cars and Le Mans racers - oh, yes :). > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Slightly erroneous, Marc. Certainly at the beginning of the so-called "turbo decade", when Ranault set the ball rolling, the lag was horrific. However, by the time the FIA in its infinite wisdom called a halt to turbo proceedings the lag had almost disappeared. A similar thing occurred in road-going car....the original SAAB Turbo behaved significantly differently to current turb-assisted vehicles. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Marc Mercer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8fd528$2m8k$[email hidden]... > Why oh why oh why do you guys want to drive turbo cars in a sim??????????? > > The turbo cars were actually complete pigs to drive with horrific turbo lag. > How many of you hate how the BRM delivers its power? nothing, nothing, > nothing BANG!! it makes the car feel heavy and unresponsive ..... that is > an 80s turbo F1 car for you. > > Most of the drivers disliked the actual driving experience of the turbo cars > but the sheer power (1400bhp + in qualifying) made them so mind blowingly > fast that there was a real thrill to them. > > This thrill though would never translate to a sim though, so all you are > left with is a sim full of unweildy unresponsive cars.... > > I'd be happy to have GPL2 based in 1982 for all the reasons chris dictated > ..... it was an awesome year in F1s history, with 7 different constructors > winning races that year. But most importantly I could drive a sweet handling > DFV powered cars like the FW08b and run rings around your turbo cars. > > Fortunately I think that the papy team have a good enough undestanding of > race car dynamics so as not to make a GPL sequel set in the years after > 1982. > > My choice? Well it has to be 1976 ... last year of the proper ring.... > normally aspirated cars not very reliant on downforce and a 6 wheel tyrell > to boot :) > 82 would also be great for a sequel, but please please no horrible turbo > only F1 sims :( 1983 - 1989 ) > > > Marc Mercer > > oh ... and any sports car legends sim from 60s, 70s or 80s would make my > lifetime :)))) > > >

Oh, GOD YES!!!! 1964 - 1967.......If only we had that period to play with as "Indy Legends Part II; The Demise of the Roadsters"!! ("Indy Legends Part I" being subtitled, naturally, "The Roadster Years"!) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:09 -0700, "Brian McLernon" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yeah, USAC Legends, with front engine Offys! > >Circa '65 before the "British Invasion"!! > > The invasion actually started in 1961 and was prominant by 1964. But > that period, when things were in transition at the track would be very > interesting. > > Besides, I want to drive a Novi...

Well, on that basis, the Brabhams and Lotii would be dominant in GPL. If so, it doesn't appear to bother too many people! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:43:48 GMT, "Racer88" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Unfortunately, the McLarens would be dominant if > the game was realistic,

Okay....I wasn't being a smart-arse; I really thought that the racing XJ's may have been known as some other designation in the US. :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Goy, what's a Jaguar KJ? > > Is that what the XJ series was called down here? > > DOH !!! > > That should be XJS of course, I have those on tapes from Bathurst when > they decided they wanted to win that one.....:-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Ranault"??!! Nothing like a name-change to boost sales....perhaps Rover will change _their_ name to "Raver"!! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Slightly erroneous, Marc. > Certainly at the beginning of the so-called "turbo decade", when Ranault set > the ball rolling, the lag was horrific. > However, by the time the FIA in its infinite wisdom called a halt to turbo > proceedings the lag had almost disappeared. > > A similar thing occurred in road-going car....the original SAAB Turbo > behaved significantly differently to current turb-assisted vehicles. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Marc Mercer <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8fd528$2m8k$[email hidden]... > > Why oh why oh why do you guys want to drive turbo cars in a sim??????????? > > > > The turbo cars were actually complete pigs to drive with horrific turbo > lag. > > How many of you hate how the BRM delivers its power? nothing, nothing, > > nothing BANG!! it makes the car feel heavy and unresponsive ..... that > is > > an 80s turbo F1 car for you. > > > > Most of the drivers disliked the actual driving experience of the turbo > cars > > but the sheer power (1400bhp + in qualifying) made them so mind blowingly > > fast that there was a real thrill to them. > > > > This thrill though would never translate to a sim though, so all you are > > left with is a sim full of unweildy unresponsive cars.... > > > > I'd be happy to have GPL2 based in 1982 for all the reasons chris dictated > > ..... it was an awesome year in F1s history, with 7 different constructors > > winning races that year. But most importantly I could drive a sweet > handling > > DFV powered cars like the FW08b and run rings around your turbo cars. > > > > Fortunately I think that the papy team have a good enough undestanding of > > race car dynamics so as not to make a GPL sequel set in the years after > > 1982. > > > > My choice? Well it has to be 1976 ... last year of the proper ring.... > > normally aspirated cars not very reliant on downforce and a 6 wheel tyrell > > to boot :) > > 82 would also be great for a sequel, but please please no horrible turbo > > only F1 sims :( 1983 - 1989 ) > > > > > > Marc Mercer > > > > oh ... and any sports car legends sim from 60s, 70s or 80s would make my > > lifetime :)))) > > > > > > > >

Debatable... I quite like them (shape, some liveries are hideous), there is something pleasing about the purposefulness of the cars. Then again, I probably have a warped sense of esthetics. Jan. =--- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Current F1 cars, both in shape and liveries, have all the aesthetics of a > mud-puddle. > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > <snip>

Only 8 Mike??? Forgetting a few here; NR1999 Nascar Legends Nascar Acceleration Pack N2 All American Edition N2/BGN for Playstation So lets make that 13 to 4... Unfortunatly, Papyrus isn't the big problem... the suits at Sierra are. Papy only got one "tiny" problem... Kaemmer is said to not be keen on creating a Sportscar sim.. and *thats* a huge shame... If theres one sim I'de love to buy multiple copies of.. it would be Can-Am Legends! Ed_ "Mike Barlow" wrote

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> 4? you can't count very well can you? ;-) > > N1, > N1 expansion, > N2 > N2 BGN > N2 trucks > N3 > N3 Trucks > N4(not yet available)

I think they look like BUGS...The Ferrari especially reminds me of a Preying Mantis the way the nose is elevated. And the square foot boxes like in the McClarens just don't doit for me. I STILL, after a year and half, can't get used to those rollbar cameras with the wheels pinched in and the elevated nose blocking the front of the car...just doesn't seem right. Gimmie the Ferrari's of Prost and Mansell, the McLarens of Prost and Senna..not the Senna, Andretti, Hakkinen ones, and the Williams of Prost, Hill, Villenuve. The earlier williams had that funny hump on the nose too. I like wings...big wings..not those tiny 3 element breakable jobbies they use today. Because of that...the WSC cars always catch my eyes, that big wing going the full width of the car on a SP333, or R&S MKIII. The newer Sports cars all have a F1 nose built between the front-wheel fenders...yuck!(Lola, Reynard, Audi) Sure they may be faster...but they just don't have the "look." And the CART Lola from the eary '90's has what should be a classic shape. Mikey Andretti's VERY POINTED nose bumping up against rear facing in-car camera shots. Those were cool. Todays cars all look like they once had a broken nose that healed poorly. (recurring theme here) dave henrie Ugliest F1 car other than todays bugs would be that hideous McClaren with the baby wing over the air box. Have I left anyone out? :> Jan Verschueren wrote:

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I *think* it was Win Percy, I'd have to review my tapes to check, got them from a friend in Australia, "History of Bathurst" or something, great to watch, especially the early years where the classes where decided by the price of the car.....that made for some odd cars being in class with each other :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Except for their designation "XK-E" whereas the rest of the world simply referred to it as the "E-type". That was a good year, that one. Was it Win Percy and John Goss (local driver) who were in the winning car, or Armin Hahn (sp?) with Goss? I can remember Gossy mentioning that the seat-back broke! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Seriously though, I think even our US friends kept the name on this one, > as they have with most Jag's over the years I believe, guess even they > know a great car when they get a chance to drive one.... :-) > > I loved those cars in the green livery they ran in the Bathurst races, > and being run by TWR, they looked simply awesome as you'd expect > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Current F1 cars, both in shape and liveries, have all the aesthetics of a mud-puddle. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you haven't seen it yet...SCGT car builders have produced the Mk 8 > McClaren in all it's orange glory. Funny, when the modern-day Mclaren > unveiled it's new car last year, the WEST sponsorship wasn't finalized > yet, so they debut'd the car in traditional McClaren Orange...I was > suprised to find that the new car didn't 'Look' right in the old color. > (of course I still think current F1 cars are some of the OOGLIEST racers > around) > dave henrie > > "The Black Cat =^..^=" wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:43:48 GMT, "Racer88" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > The only suggestion I'd add to the many good ones already given would > > be Can Am Legends. Unfortunately, the McLarens would be dominant if > > the game was realistic, but just seeing these orange beasties in the > > company of the Chaparrals and the Honker 427 Fords would be enough to > > sell the game to me...

HA! Maybe we're on to something here, Ian. Perhaps you could approach Phoenix with this suggestion? :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ian P <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:D_BS4.1176$[email hidden]... > Now that would certainly increase sales to the younger generations ;) > > -- > Ian Parker > > == > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Ranault"??!! > > Nothing like a name-change to boost sales....perhaps Rover will change > > _their_ name to "Raver"!! :-) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > >

HAAA! Now that's not nice, Rem! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >"Ranault"??!! > >Nothing like a name-change to boost sales....perhaps Rover will change > >_their_ name to "Raver"!! :-) > > I'm glad you didn't use Ford as an example... <g> > > Remco >

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > The early years were the ones that I used to attend occassionally (at > Bathurst, that is....not Philip Island). Interesting mixture, indeed. I > remember one year the police ran a Studebaker Lark (V8) that peed all over > the competition going UP the mountain but quickly ran out of brakes coming > DOWN the hill!! :-) Brakes AND wheel bearings if memory serves me right :-), it was about then they said that the big V8's would never win at Bathurst.... > But the years of the Minis and Cortinas, then the Holden Monaros, Ford > Falcon GTs and the Chrysler Chargers were phenomenal......in my mind some of > the most entertaining Aussie motor-racing of all time. From what I've seen, I'd agree, but the V8's in the early 90's where a good show as well, there's the opening of the wet race in 91 or 92 on those tapes, Brock and Perkins going at it, sliding those cars like they were rally cars on a short sprint, awesome, must have seen those opening laps 50 times by now Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Oh...most certainly a case of personal taste, Jan. I just can't stand the appearance of the bloody things! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:10HS4.25566$[email hidden]... > Debatable... I quite like them (shape, some liveries are hideous), there is > something pleasing about the purposefulness of the cars. Then again, I > probably have a warped sense of esthetics. > > Jan. > =--- > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Current F1 cars, both in shape and liveries, have all the aesthetics of a > > mud-puddle. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > <snip> > >

The early years were the ones that I used to attend occassionally (at Bathurst, that is....not Philip Island). Interesting mixture, indeed. I remember one year the police ran a Studebaker Lark (V8) that peed all over the competition going UP the mountain but quickly ran out of brakes coming DOWN the hill!! :-) But the years of the Minis and Cortinas, then the Holden Monaros, Ford Falcon GTs and the Chrysler Chargers were phenomenal......in my mind some of the most entertaining Aussie motor-racing of all time. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > Except for their designation "XK-E" whereas the rest of the world simply > > referred to it as the "E-type". > > > > That was a good year, that one. Was it Win Percy and John Goss (local > > driver) who were in the winning car, or Armin Hahn (sp?) with Goss? > > I can remember Gossy mentioning that the seat-back broke! > > I *think* it was Win Percy, I'd have to review my tapes to check, got > them from a friend in Australia, "History of Bathurst" or something, > great to watch, especially the early years where the classes where > decided by the price of the car.....that made for some odd cars being in > class with each other :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > You'll have to save your pennies and come down and watch a live race, Goy. You mean, spending weekend on "the mountain", barbecuing, drinking Fosters and cheering whenever Larry Perkins goes past ? I can do that :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

You'll have to save your pennies and come down and watch a live race, Goy. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > The early years were the ones that I used to attend occassionally (at > > Bathurst, that is....not Philip Island). Interesting mixture, indeed. I > > remember one year the police ran a Studebaker Lark (V8) that peed all over > > the competition going UP the mountain but quickly ran out of brakes coming > > DOWN the hill!! :-) > > Brakes AND wheel bearings if memory serves me right :-), it was about > then they said that the big V8's would never win at Bathurst.... > > > But the years of the Minis and Cortinas, then the Holden Monaros, Ford > > Falcon GTs and the Chrysler Chargers were phenomenal......in my mind some of > > the most entertaining Aussie motor-racing of all time. > > From what I've seen, I'd agree, but the V8's in the early 90's where a > good show as well, there's the opening of the wet race in 91 or 92 on > those tapes, Brock and Perkins going at it, sliding those cars like they > were rally cars on a short sprint, awesome, must have seen those opening > laps 50 times by now > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Well.....all the above except the Fosters......we send that rubbish overseas and drink decent stuff instead!! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > > You'll have to save your pennies and come down and watch a live race, Goy. > > You mean, spending weekend on "the mountain", barbecuing, drinking > Fosters and cheering whenever Larry Perkins goes past ? > > I can do that :-))) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Well.....all the above except the Fosters......we send that rubbish overseas > and drink decent stuff instead!! Hey, fair enough, when in Rome...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com