Ed,
Thats a joke carried over from Jacob's newsgroup. Eric made a post and
someone asked "How do you know?" <VBG>
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Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Oh... he *know's* Skotty! :)
>
> Eric works for Papyrus Studios.
>
> Ed_
>
>
> "Skotty Flynn" wrote:
> .> How do you know?
> >
> > On Thu, 11 May 2000 19:15:45 -0400, "Eric Busch" wrote:
> >
> > >Not at all...
> > >
> > >Eric
> > >
> > >"David G Fisher" wrote:
> > >> From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just an
> > >updated/optimised two year old GPL graphics engine.
>
>
Not at all...
Eric
From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just an updated/optimised
two year old GPL
graphics engine. Why all the worry about what cpu and video card will be
required to run it?
While what I've seen of the graphics look EXCELLENT, they are not going to
be in the same
class as the, by then, one year old RC 2000 and SBK 2000 graphics. Those two
graphic engines are in a class of their own. WSC will likely join them. It
won't look as nice as GP 500 either.
You should be able to run GPL right now (still choppy at the start) with a
full field of 19 AI with a P500 and V3. I'm sure the updated graphics engine
runs faster than GPL's. Even with adding another 20 AI (drawing 15), I'll
bet Andre's ovaries that N4 will run fine with a P800 and V3/TNT2.
I don't think a NASCAR size field of cars is possible with graphics as rich
and photo-realistic as in RC 2000/SBK 2000 so this is not a criticism (relax
Papy worshipers). The graphics will look great, but I think all the
speculation about cpu's and graphics cards in other threads has gone a bit
overboard. What do you think they're using right now at the Papyrus offices
to develope the game?
Actually, I think N4's graphics will rate (not far though) below RC2000,
SBK 2000, GP3, WSC
http://www.spielecity.net/show.php3?Bild=/previews/S_WorldSportsCars/33.jpg
, GP 500, NFS PU,
NASCAR Heat
http://www.gamecenter.com/Features/Exclusives/E32k/Pc/Nascarheat/index.html
, 4 x 4 Evolution, and Motocross Madness 2. N4 won't be the sim which best
shows the differences between a V5 or GeForce-2, so either one will probably
be fine. N4 will look GREAT, but very similiar to GPL, and about as good as
can be expected in a sim with such a huge field of opponents. Just not as
good as the sims mentioned above. It won't need a 2Ghz and GeForce 7 to run
it like some are speculating.
As for the D3D/3dfx debate, it doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't for awhile.
D3D proved it's superiority with RC 2000 and SBK 2000. There's no need for
Papyrus or any other developer to waste time writing a 3dfx version of their
games.
David G Fisher
Just a little point, RC 2000 and SBK 2000 only prove that those particular
two game have very impressive grahpics. It doesn't mean they wouldn't have
looked better in Glide. When you compare a game that runs in both D3D and
Glide, it looks better in Glide. Also when you've got the kind of physics
that we see in RC 2000 you've got plenty of CPU time left for stunning
visuals.
Physics is more important in making a great game than grahpics. I would
rather play GP500 than Superbike 2000. I would rather play GPL than RC 2000
or any of the Need for speed games. Also theres a difference between good
visuals and realistic visuals. GPL may not look spectacular, but it
couldn't really look much more realistic.
Not at all...
Eric
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just anupdated/optimised
> two year old GPL graphics engine.
How do you know?
On Thu, 11 May 2000 19:15:45 -0400, "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
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>Not at all... > >Eric > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:IIFS4.185624$[email hidden]... >> From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just an >updated/optimised >> two year old GPL graphics engine. >My thoughts exactly...he works for Papy. He knows. He knows. He
knows.
Lee
On Fri, 12 May 2000 03:27:32 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>Oh... he *know's* Skotty! :) > >Eric works for Papyrus Studios. > >Ed_ > > >"Skotty Flynn" wrote: >.> How do you know? >> >> On Thu, 11 May 2000 19:15:45 -0400, "Eric Busch" wrote: >> >> >Not at all... >> > >> >Eric >> > >> >"David G Fisher" wrote: >> >> From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just an >> >updated/optimised two year old GPL graphics engine. >Oh... he *know's* Skotty! :)
Eric works for Papyrus Studios.
Ed_
"Skotty Flynn" wrote:
.> How do you know?
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> > On Thu, 11 May 2000 19:15:45 -0400, "Eric Busch" wrote: > > >Not at all... > > > >Eric > > > >"David G Fisher" wrote: > >> From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just an > >updated/optimised two year old GPL graphics engine.That's a completely new graphics engine then?
Looks more like GPL, and even N3, than any other sim in the marketplace.
David G Fisher
"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Not at all... > > Eric > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IIFS4.185624$[email hidden]... > > From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just an > updated/optimised > > two year old GPL graphics engine. > > 19 cars vs 42. 16 bit graphics vs 32. Real time light sourcing vs.
none. T&L vs none. Contained racing space that keeps the cars mostly
visible the whole race. The reasons for increased horsepower are many.
you'll need it.
dave henrie
David G Fisher wrote:
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> > From what I can tell, the N4 graphics engine is just an updated/optimised > two year old GPL > graphics engine. Why all the worry about what cpu and video card will be > required to run it? > > While what I've seen of the graphics look EXCELLENT, they are not going to > be in the same > class as the, by then, one year old RC 2000 and SBK 2000 graphics. Those two > graphic engines are in a class of their own. WSC will likely join them. It > won't look as nice as GP 500 either. > > You should be able to run GPL right now (still choppy at the start) with a > full field of 19 AI with a P500 and V3. I'm sure the updated graphics engine > runs faster than GPL's. Even with adding another 20 AI (drawing 15), I'll > bet Andre's ovaries that N4 will run fine with a P800 and V3/TNT2. > > I don't think a NASCAR size field of cars is possible with graphics as rich > and photo-realistic as in RC 2000/SBK 2000 so this is not a criticism (relax > Papy worshipers). The graphics will look great, but I think all the > speculation about cpu's and graphics cards in other threads has gone a bit > overboard. What do you think they're using right now at the Papyrus offices > to develope the game? > > Actually, I think N4's graphics will rate (not far though) below RC2000, > SBK 2000, GP3, WSC > http://www.spielecity.net/show.php3?Bild=/previews/S_WorldSportsCars/33.jpg > , GP 500, NFS PU, > NASCAR Heat > http://www.gamecenter.com/Features/Exclusives/E32k/Pc/Nascarheat/index.html > , 4 x 4 Evolution, and Motocross Madness 2. N4 won't be the sim which best > shows the differences between a V5 or GeForce-2, so either one will probably > be fine. N4 will look GREAT, but very similiar to GPL, and about as good as > can be expected in a sim with such a huge field of opponents. Just not as > good as the sims mentioned above. It won't need a 2Ghz and GeForce 7 to run > it like some are speculating. > > As for the D3D/3dfx debate, it doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't for awhile. > D3D proved it's superiority with RC 2000 and SBK 2000. There's no need for > Papyrus or any other developer to waste time writing a 3dfx version of their > games. > > David G FisherHuh? What N4 pics have you been looking at? The N4 pics I've seen look
almost photorealistic. Besides an issue with the shadows of the cars not
matching up, directionally, with the shadows from the walls and stands, I
don't see any other major flaws in the N4 pics. The graphics look to be in
a different league than GPL and N3.
Anyone else out there really like the in-car pics in Nascar Heat (NH)?
I do! I'm looking forward to NH as I really think the team
developing this title will have something that will compete well with N4.
NOTE... I am not implying that N4 will be dethroned, just that competition
will be good, and that can only mean good things for us simmers/gamers!
My only other wish for the upcoming sims (given the graphics will really
look as good as advertised thus far), is that the physics models and sounds
have advanced as well.
Let's see... N4, NH, GP3 and WSC... gonna be a great fall/winter this year!
:-)
Dave Ericson
MomoBoy
JDB Racing
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