Re: Mr. Gearan finally writes a rebuttal

>BUT, you forgot to add Wrestling. What a pure joke it is, it's >pathetic to watch. Whoever said it's a sport? In the words of the WWF, it's sports entertainment. While most of the matches are planned out, there's nothing fake about smacking a concrete floor. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

you *do* need to start registering guns in the USA, although not necessarily for that particular reason. hey- you register your car, why not your personal implement of death? just out of curiosity, what is it about you gun lovers that makes you think you should be able to decide who lives and who dies? are you that omniscient? or have you not realized that life really isn't a schwarzzeneger movie, and vigilantes don't actually exist....despite what so many of you seem to think.... i think gearan's opinions are ridiculous; certainly not on the same level as the sensible notion of the registration of firearms. your comparison gives gearan far too much credit. "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfc0df$75d693a0$f2d2fc3f@packardbell...

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> > Wath Teed me off was his lack in research on Auto Racing Period. This > being the land of the free he has a right to his opinion, but if he is > going to write about it it should be an informed opinion, not the > misinformed garbage he wrote. Also Jeff (JEDD as he called him) Krosnoff > should have been at least correctly noted. Most guys like him fire off > something while being completely misinformed. Racing is dangerous, > unfornately when somehting goes wrong in a race car it usually gones > terribly wrong. > > His opinion hold about the same wieght as someone saying we need to > register guns in the USA due to a child of 6 years old shooting another > with a stolen gun. > > Dave > > LegendNo6 <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <8g177s$dr0$[email hidden]>... > > Here's the link: > > http://www.telegram.com/sports/gearan1.html > > > > How hard can it be to write "I apologize to the Petty family for my

harsh > > and unwarrented comments. However, my opinions on racing stand."That's

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> > all he really had to write. He hasn't figured out that his opinion on > > racing isn't what fired most people up, but his comments directed at the > > Petty family and the way he did it is the issue. I mean, I think pro > > basketball wastes 3 channels on my TV every night, so I simply choose to > > ignore the sport. Can't he do the same for racing and leave it well > enough > > alone? > > > > I'm through wasting time with this nut--I have some work to do so I can > > participate in my "non-sport" this weekend. > > > > Dave McCarson > > > > > > > >

Dwayne White <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Finally, some one who has the same opinion of basketball that I do. Make that three of us. Don't forget to include on the list of wastes of TV time: Baseball Football Hockey Tennis Track and Field Skiing any "Xtreme" sport and *_especially_* Golf. ~daxe "motorsports and boxing only, thanks" rexford

daxe <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > Finally, some one who has the same opinion of basketball that I do. > > Make that three of us. Don't forget to include on the list of wastes ofTV

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> time: > > Baseball > Football > Hockey > Tennis > Track and Field > Skiing > any "Xtreme" sport > and *_especially_* Golf. >

They show chess and poker on late night TV in the UK ;) Seriously, I'm not making this up ... S.

Here's the link: http://www.telegram.com/sports/gearan1.html How hard can it be to write "I apologize to the Petty family for my harsh and unwarrented comments. However, my opinions on racing stand." That's all he really had to write. He hasn't figured out that his opinion on racing isn't what fired most people up, but his comments directed at the Petty family and the way he did it is the issue. I mean, I think pro basketball wastes 3 channels on my TV every night, so I simply choose to ignore the sport. Can't he do the same for racing and leave it well enough alone? I'm through wasting time with this nut--I have some work to do so I can participate in my "non-sport" this weekend. Dave McCarson

Already did.

"Some folks correctly pointed out that I know almost nothing about auto racing. My stock response is that I know enough: that it kills fine young men like Adam Petty far too often." Hoo boy. Does this guy just get dumber? I think the point that people were asserting was more about him being a blathering idiot. No sh&t the Petty family grieves. But hey - taking an unnecessary risk? Take the train next time, dumb ass. Far less risky that those death machines the hicks call "airplanes". (Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.. hey, wait, that's below the Mason-Dixon line too...) My biggest point (besides that this guy is an idiot) is that he's obviously paid to run off at the mouth about stuff he admittedly doesn't know much about.. Oh, I could go on. I won't. Andrew LegendNo6 wrote:

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> Here's the link: > http://www.telegram.com/sports/gearan1.html > > How hard can it be to write "I apologize to the Petty family for my harsh > and unwarrented comments. However, my opinions on racing stand." That's > all he really had to write. He hasn't figured out that his opinion on > racing isn't what fired most people up, but his comments directed at the > Petty family and the way he did it is the issue. I mean, I think pro > basketball wastes 3 channels on my TV every night, so I simply choose to > ignore the sport. Can't he do the same for racing and leave it well enough > alone? > > I'm through wasting time with this nut--I have some work to do so I can > participate in my "non-sport" this weekend. > > Dave McCarson

Finally, some one who has the same opinion of basketball that I do. LegendNo6 wrote: > I mean, I think pro > basketball wastes 3 channels on my TV every night, so I simply choose to > ignore the sport. > Dave McCarson

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>Finally, some one who has the same opinion of basketball that I do. > >LegendNo6 wrote: >> I mean, I think pro >> basketball wastes 3 channels on my TV every night, so I simply choose to >> ignore the sport. >> Dave McCarson

Well thanks to the local line up I have KCal 9 (9), FSW (24), TNT(25) So one night all three had the lakers on, and were using the same damn shots.. talk about a waste, especially 24 & 25 running together..wierd

So, who is going to be the first to email this ass again, and tell him his so called rebuttal is a piece of shit? -- "To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" -Mark Martin g_major on TEN http://drive.to/racehard (Personal web page)

G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vMWU4.713$[email hidden]... > So, who is going to be the first to email this ass again, and tell himhis > so called rebuttal is a piece of shit? Already did.

Before I thought maybe he has some personal reasons for the article. Or maybe he had a personal beef with the Petty's. Or had a friend killed in racing. Nope, I was wrong. His is just simply an ass. I'm thankful for the day the second car was built. That was the day the first car had something to race against. And I am quite sure history will prove that dinosaurs all died just to provide fossil fuels to power race cars. God must be a race fan. Best way to beat this guy is to support your local short track--that is where the NASCAR guys of tomrrow are coming from. "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8g1gp5$m1h$[email hidden]...

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> > G_Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vMWU4.713$[email hidden]... > > So, who is going to be the first to email this ass again, and tell him > his > > so called rebuttal is a piece of shit? > > Already did. > >

Wath Teed me off was his lack in research on Auto Racing Period. This being the land of the free he has a right to his opinion, but if he is going to write about it it should be an informed opinion, not the misinformed garbage he wrote. Also Jeff (JEDD as he called him) Krosnoff should have been at least correctly noted. Most guys like him fire off something while being completely misinformed. Racing is dangerous, unfornately when somehting goes wrong in a race car it usually gones terribly wrong. His opinion hold about the same wieght as someone saying we need to register guns in the USA due to a child of 6 years old shooting another with a stolen gun. Dave LegendNo6 <[email hidden]> wrote in article <8g177s$dr0$[email hidden]>...

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> Here's the link: > http://www.telegram.com/sports/gearan1.html > > How hard can it be to write "I apologize to the Petty family for my harsh > and unwarrented comments. However, my opinions on racing stand." That's > all he really had to write. He hasn't figured out that his opinion on > racing isn't what fired most people up, but his comments directed at the > Petty family and the way he did it is the issue. I mean, I think pro > basketball wastes 3 channels on my TV every night, so I simply choose to > ignore the sport. Can't he do the same for racing and leave it well

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> alone? > > I'm through wasting time with this nut--I have some work to do so I can > participate in my "non-sport" this weekend. > > Dave McCarson > > > >

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>Make that three of us. Don't forget to include on the list of wastes of TV >time: > >Baseball >Football >Hockey >Tennis >Track and Field >Skiing >any "Xtreme" sport >and *_especially_* Golf.

While I wouldnt put all of these on my list, some of them would be there. BUT, you forgot to add Wrestling. What a pure joke it is, it's pathetic to watch. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn "skotty20" Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ Member of The Sports Gaming Network: http://www.sports-gaming.com

Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Nj_U4.14419$[email hidden]... > And to think you guys across the Atlantic don't even have to deal with the > bane of the European TV viewer: soccer (or football as we know it). No- we have bowling, which is even worse. Soccer matches have much more action- and that's just in the stands! :-)

In article <[email hidden]>, Chuck Kandler <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> On 19 May 2000 04:25:27 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> >> >Although I don't own a gun, I'd fully support your right to blow away some >> >low-life who breaks into your home at night... >> >> The right to kill a burglar... you don't mean this seriously or do >> you? >> > >You don't realize the mindset of many gun-toters here in the USA. Yes, >to some, that is a *very real* opinion. And although I disagree heavily >with it, it's also a very common opinion over here. :-( >

First, I'm not a 'gun-toter'. I don't even OWN one...

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>A guy I work with, last year he heard a noise in the middle of the >night. He thought someone was breaking into his house through the >basement. He lives in one of these fancy communities where jaywalking >would make the headlines, so nothing bad happens there. Anyway, he gets >out his gun & goes floor by floor, room by room clearing the place. >Turns out a piece of aluminum siding came loose at the top of the house >& was swaying in the breeze. He also has 2 girls. Lucky thing they >weren't doing something bad like sneaking in a boyfriend, or even >sneaking back in themselves after sneaking out for the night. (I did >that one *many* times as a kid). It would call for discipline sure, but >not a bullet in the head as would surely have happened had he actually >encountered a person unexpectedly in, say, the basement. > >And that's how many tragedies can/do happen here in the US everyday.....

If you live alone, as I do, there should be no one else in your residence without your permission. If you have a family you obviously need to take different precautions. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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>>Although I don't own a gun, I'd fully support your right to blow away some >>low-life who breaks into your home at night... > >The right to kill a burglar... you don't mean this seriously or do >you? > >Andre

If someone breaks into your home, he's considered a danger to you and your family's well-being. At that point, he's given up any rights he may or may not have... Would you rather he kills *you*? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Baseball >Football >Hockey >Tennis >Track and Field >Skiing >any "Xtreme" sport >and *_especially_* Golf.

I notice you left out "Soccer".... good man :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

In article <8g25uk$22p$[email hidden]>, "David Karr" <[email hidden]> writes: >Precisely who would those mutants be, Mr. McCorkle? > >--David Karr > Thought that was obvious, people who need to duck to get through a doorway. It's not a coincindence that most doorways are the same size, it's a measurement tool set up by the Bureau of Standards. Don McCorkle

In article <8g25oc$btt$[email hidden]>, "Mark Stahl" <[email hidden]> writes: >you *do* need to start registering guns in the USA, although not necessarily >for that particular reason. >hey- you register your car, why not your personal implement of death? I don't see what's *wrong* with registering your guns. If you got them legally, what's the problem? > >just out of curiosity, what is it about you gun lovers that makes you think >you should be able to decide who lives and who dies? are you that >omniscient? or have you not realized that life really isn't a >schwarzzeneger movie, and vigilantes don't actually exist....despite what so >many of you seem to think.... Although I don't own a gun, I'd fully support your right to blow away some low-life who breaks into your home at night... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Well bowling is for beer drinkers so they can have a sport and get drunk at >the same time. > >Dave > >> No- we have bowling, which is even worse. Soccer matches have much more >> action- and that's just in the stands! :-) >> >> >>

Hey! Some of us like to bowl, and do NOT drink... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>Make that three of us. Don't forget to include on the list of wastes of TV >>time: >> >>Baseball >>Football >>Hockey >>Tennis >>Track and Field >>Skiing >>any "Xtreme" sport >>and *_especially_* Golf. > > >While I wouldnt put all of these on my list, some of them would be >there. >BUT, you forgot to add Wrestling. What a pure joke it is, it's >pathetic to watch.

I like Baseball, Footbal, and Tennis. But if there's a race on, it's no contest... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Finally, some one who has the same opinion of basketball that I do. > >LegendNo6 wrote: >> I mean, I think pro >> basketball wastes 3 channels on my TV every night, so I simply choose to >> ignore the sport. >> Dave McCarson

Basketball is not a sport. It's a diversion to keep the mutants from ruling the world. Don McCorkle

On Thu 18 May 2000 09:29:32pm, David wrote:

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>Wath Teed me off was his lack in research on Auto Racing Period. >This being the land of the free he has a right to his opinion, but >if he is going to write about it it should be an informed opinion, >not the misinformed garbage he wrote. Also Jeff (JEDD as he called >him) Krosnoff should have been at least correctly noted. Most guys >like him fire off something while being completely misinformed. >Racing is dangerous, unfornately when somehting goes wrong in a race >car it usually gones terribly wrong.

Sounds like sense so far. Rule One of journalism : do the research. >His opinion hold about the same wieght as someone saying we need to >register guns in the USA due to a child of 6 years old shooting >another with a stolen gun. This is one of those times when most of us in Britain read, blink a couple of times, shake our head, blink again, and make a "HUH?" sort of expression. However much I try to understand NRA mentality, I just can't do it. So it's in teh Constitution? So was Prohibition. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Well bowling is for beer drinkers so they can have a sport and get drunk at the same time. Dave > No- we have bowling, which is even worse. Soccer matches have much more > action- and that's just in the stands! :-) > > >

And to think you guys across the Atlantic don't even have to deal with the bane of the European TV viewer: soccer (or football as we know it). Pfft. Jan. =--- Skotty Flynn wrote... > On Thu, 18 May 2000 15:14:32 -0400, "daxe" > > >Make that three of us. Don't forget to include on the list of wastesof TV

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> >time: > > > >Baseball > >Football > >Hockey > >Tennis > >Track and Field > >Skiing > >any "Xtreme" sport > >and *_especially_* Golf. > > > While I wouldnt put all of these on my list, some of them would be > there. > BUT, you forgot to add Wrestling. What a pure joke it is, it's > pathetic to watch. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Skotty Flynn > "skotty20" > > Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com > > The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ > > Member of The Sports Gaming Network: > http://www.sports-gaming.com

Precisely who would those mutants be, Mr. McCorkle? --David Karr "Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Basketball is not a sport. > It's a diversion to keep the mutants from ruling the world. > > > > Don McCorkle >

"Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote > Basketball is not a sport. > It's a diversion to keep the mutants from ruling the world. That's near a troll post. <g> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> -- > "To finish a race first, you first must finish the race" > -Mark Martin > To Finish First you must First Finish ahead of the Finnish Driver. -- Mika Hakkinen(sic) dave henrie

Personally, I'd rather not see a thread concerning the death of Adam Petty and Gearan's insensitive/uninformed response degenerate into an OT political shouting match. I've certainly done my share of OT posts here and elsewhere, but I don't think this is the proper thread for it. talk.politics.guns is probably full of people willing to kick this one around.

> This is one of those times when most of us in Britain read, blink acouple of > times, shake our head, blink again, and make a "HUH?" sort of expression. > However much I try to understand NRA mentality, I just can't do it. Soit's in > teh Constitution? So was Prohibition. > My point was that making people restister a firearm will not stop someone from using a stolen firearm. The research behind the people saying it will is about the same amount as Mr. Gearan. This is a newgroup about sims so I think I have probly said enough on this. Dave

You are correct firearms and politics should not be discussed here. My point was the research behind both opinions that is all and the logic. Not that firearms should or should not be legal. Dave > Personally, I'd rather not see a thread concerning the death of AdamPetty > and Gearan's insensitive/uninformed response degenerate into an OTpolitical

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> shouting match. I've certainly done my share of OT posts here and > elsewhere, but I don't think this is the proper thread for it. > > talk.politics.guns is probably full of people willing to kick this one > around. > > >

Uh-oh. Our Libertarian is back. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

David <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfc11a$8a674f40$0bd4fc3f@packardbell... > > You are correct firearms and politics should not be discussed here. My > point was the research behind both opinions that is all and the logic.Not > that firearms should or should not be legal. Yeah, I know- I understood your original point. But as soon as I read it I saw where this thing would end up. :-) It's just that its been almost a week now since the accident and my wife and I are still thinking about it. She more so than me, I believe. She remembered some interviews with him that we've seen, and commented at the time on how nice and respectful Adam appeared for such a young man. We were driving just two days ago when out of nowhere she said "None of our children are going to participate in racing." Just like that. I had never even mentioned the idea before, so I know that she's been thinking about Adam's accident. On top of that, she started getting interested in CART just last year and so some of her first experiences with racing were the deaths of both Rodriguez and Moore. I'm a bit surprised that she's still watching after all this. Anyway, sorry for spilling it here. I know that I could just as easily have ignored this thread rather than start bitching about OT posts (which I'm off guilty of myself). Maybe I should have. Oh well.

On 19 May 2000 04:25:27 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Although I don't own a gun, I'd fully support your right to blow away some >low-life who breaks into your home at night... The right to kill a burglar... you don't mean this seriously or do you? Andre

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> >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Gault <[email hidden]> wrote in article <8g2frl$a74$[email hidden]>... > > Yeah, I know- I understood your original point. But as soon as I read itI > saw where this thing would end up. :-) Well unfortunately you are correct, I should not have mentioned it since I have read some other posts just now. I guess I thought someone would follow what I ment, not that I was for against registering anything. Sorry to bring it up. Dave

This is pathetic. [snip] [snip]

I thought that was golf. Roger

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> > On 19 May 2000 04:25:27 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >Although I don't own a gun, I'd fully support your right to blow away some > >low-life who breaks into your home at night... > > The right to kill a burglar... you don't mean this seriously or do > you? >

You don't realize the mindset of many gun-toters here in the USA. Yes, to some, that is a *very real* opinion. And although I disagree heavily with it, it's also a very common opinion over here. :-( A guy I work with, last year he heard a noise in the middle of the night. He thought someone was breaking into his house through the basement. He lives in one of these fancy communities where jaywalking would make the headlines, so nothing bad happens there. Anyway, he gets out his gun & goes floor by floor, room by room clearing the place. Turns out a piece of aluminum siding came loose at the top of the house & was swaying in the breeze. He also has 2 girls. Lucky thing they weren't doing something bad like sneaking in a boyfriend, or even sneaking back in themselves after sneaking out for the night. (I did that one *many* times as a kid). It would call for discipline sure, but not a bullet in the head as would surely have happened had he actually encountered a person unexpectedly in, say, the basement. And that's how many tragedies can/do happen here in the US everyday..... I love David Buttery's line elsewhere in this thread...."So it's in the Constitution? So was Prohibition" That about sums it up. If it's bad law, it's bad law. Get rid of it. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

I will say it one more time and then be done with it. I was talking about the logic of it that is all. I think Adolf Hitler put it best when he said we are now going to be the safest nation of the world since we now have all the guns registered. Also if you noticed thru Gearan article the sentiment is very close to the same for racing with nonracing or noncar people. They will go after racing when they have finished taking guns and cigarettes away from people. Again Gualt I am sorry that I even brought this up since it seems no one understood what I ment about the logic with the excpetion of people like you. Dave

Hi David, I'm not so sure Prohibition was in the constitution. Anyway, if it weren't for Prohibition, we wouldn't have NASCAR.... :) Andrew David Buttery wrote: > So it's in > teh Constitution? So was Prohibition. >

I noticed he managed a mention on the NASCAR-oriented www.jayski.com and the sentiment was similar to what has been expressed here with the addition that all of the major sponsors and "players" involved with NASCAR are boycotting the paper with regards to advertising, press releases, interviews, etc. It was pretty gratifying to read... Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

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> > I will say it one more time and then be done with it. I was talking about > the logic of it that is all. > > I think Adolf Hitler put it best when he said we are now going to be the > safest nation of the world since we now have all the guns registered. > > Also if you noticed thru Gearan article the sentiment is very close to the > same for racing with nonracing or noncar people. They will go after racing > when they have finished taking guns and cigarettes away from people. > > Again Gualt I am sorry that I even brought this up since it seems no one > understood what I ment about the logic with the excpetion of people like > you.

Sorry for contributing to this thing going off-topic as well. I'll try to steer it back on-topic if I can. You are absolutely correct that the same reasoning is being used, but there is one difference. When it gets to the point that, on average, 12 children a day die due to race cars, *then* it may be time to reassess it's legitimacy. Until then, it's not nearly in the same league as the gun issue. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at: http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun! They'll call you names And spit in your face, But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

Andrew Turner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi David, > > I'm not so sure Prohibition was in the constitution. It was added in 1919- Prohibition was imposed by a Constitutional Amendment (the 18th) but was then repealed by the 21st Amendment. One might point out that the 2nd Amendment was written by the Founders in the "Bill of Rights" (1st ten amendments to the Constitution). The writings of the founders (a group of armed rebels) are quite clear that a free people must have the means to resist a tyrannical government. People forget that the ultimate purpose of the 2nd Amendment isn't for hunting or even for self defense. > Anyway, if it weren't for Prohibition, we wouldn't have NASCAR.... :) LOL! Yep.

Aha. You must be talking about the WWF Worldwide Whinging Federation. An hour in the sublime company of labotomised lard, vying for the title of chief motormouth, with a few minutes of steroid induced ham acting in the ring. LOL, it might not be sport but it's the best work of fiction I've seen on the box in years <G> MS "Skotty Flynn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 18 May 2000 15:14:32 -0400, "daxe" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Make that three of us. Don't forget to include on the list of wastes ofTV

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> >time: > > > >Baseball > >Football > >Hockey > >Tennis > >Track and Field > >Skiing > >any "Xtreme" sport > >and *_especially_* Golf. > > > While I wouldnt put all of these on my list, some of them would be > there. > BUT, you forgot to add Wrestling. What a pure joke it is, it's > pathetic to watch. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Skotty Flynn > "skotty20" > > Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com > > The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: > http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ > > Member of The Sports Gaming Network: > http://www.sports-gaming.com

That figures. Now I know why them balls curl away from where they were pitched?, rolled?, chucked <G> MS "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfc100$e57d0600$e1d2fc3f@packardbell... > > > Well bowling is for beer drinkers so they can have a sport and get drunkat

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> the same time. > > Dave > > > No- we have bowling, which is even worse. Soccer matches have much more > > action- and that's just in the stands! :-) > > > > > >

> > I like Baseball, Footbal, and Tennis. But if there's a race on, it's no > contest... > Hehe. Tennis. When I was a kid, I remember thinking that when the referee called duice, that was the time when the players had to sit down to take a drink ;-) MS > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beatsyou > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > I notice you left out "Soccer".... good man :-) Chelsea Vs Villa. Nearly as good as Chelsea Vs Aldershot Town eh Graeme <G> MS > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

"Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8g25uk$22p$[email hidden]>, > "David Karr" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Precisely who would those mutants be, Mr. McCorkle? Yeah. Who are you refering to? The players or the audience? MS <G>

This is pathetic. "David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfc16b$2a3c0060$f4d2fc3f@packardbell... [snip] > > I think Adolf Hitler put it best when he said we are now going to be the > safest nation of the world since we now have all the guns registered. [snip]

I thought that was golf. Roger David <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfc100$e57d0600$e1d2fc3f@packardbell... > > > Well bowling is for beer drinkers so they can have a sport and get drunkat

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> the same time. > > Dave > > > No- we have bowling, which is even worse. Soccer matches have much more > > action- and that's just in the stands! :-) > > > > > >

>Nearly as good as Chelsea Vs Aldershot Town eh Graeme <G> Chelsea vs Who? :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Nope its that OTHER fine sport invented in Scotland, namely *Curling*. It is played *inside* a giant refrigerator so that the beer stays cold. This no doubt explains why the English are no good at it . :) David "Roger Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EpkV4.96$[email hidden]...

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> I thought that was golf. > > Roger > > David <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:01bfc100$e57d0600$e1d2fc3f@packardbell... > > > > > > Well bowling is for beer drinkers so they can have a sport and get drunk > at > > the same time. > > > > Dave > > > > > No- we have bowling, which is even worse. Soccer matches have much

more > > > action- and that's just in the stands! :-) > > > > > > > > > > >

Chelsea vs Who? :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

daxe, thought this might brighten your day. I didn't write it, just read is somewhere and copied it. So don't anyone email me if you don't agree with it. I know it's off topic, but so is this thread. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with a citizen from any country showing a little national pride. Slot TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the international lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technology, and you get radios. You talk about German technology, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technology, and you find men on the moon -not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at . Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America!

Oh boy. Let's just call this one an argument of opinion. I see nobody gaining brownie points here for whacking the ball over the net to and fro here. MS

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> The thing is, even if all the guns in the world suddenly disappeared, > criminals would still have knives, blunt objects, and their own bodies to > inflict harm upon other people. Pretty soon, they'd even create their own > guns. And then, with the populace disarmed, they'd have free reign to do > whatever the hell they want. Except for attacking celebrities and public > figures who are preotected by bodyguards with guns, of course. After all, > we're not as important as them, right? > >

Colin Harris <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ChZV4.7503$[email hidden]... > Takes a heck of a lot longer to kill someone with a spoon, though, and so > more chance to rethink. Also, more "personal" the closer you get, so less > chance of going through with it. By that time, more dangerous cutlery, like knives, forks and pizza-cutters would have been banned though > You keep your quirky laws over there, and > we'll keep ours, thank you very much. >Over where exactly? I have lived in England all my life, thank you. I also happen to be a gun owner. I have NEVER even thought about using my guns for anything other than paper target and vermin shooting. Some idiot who should never have had an FAC went mad at Dunblane and so now all gun owners are branded as loonies, and legally held pistols have been taken away. I call *that* a quirky law. What pisses me of most is the fact that while I can no longer have my beautiful Walther P88 because of the anti-gun lobby, there are still plenty of illegally held firearms in the UK, and it's these which are used in the vast majority of gun-related crimes over here. Now, I believe this is rec.autos.simulators...

On Mon 22 May 2000 07:19:47pm, m.seery wrote: >Oh boy. >Let's just call this one an argument of opinion. I see nobody >gaining brownie points here for whacking the ball over the net to >and fro here. The problem is just one of mentalities. In Britain, most people can't understand why an ordinary person should have a handgun; in America, most people can't understand why they shouldn't. Never the twain shall meet, I fear. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

> The problem is just one of mentalities. In Britain, most people can't > understand why an ordinary person should have a handgun; in America, > most people can't understand why they shouldn't. Never the twain shall > meet, I fear. > -- > David. The problem in the UK is that the people who can't understand *why* someone should own a gun think that it is therefore OK to deny guns to all those who *do* want them.

> The problem in the UK is that the people who can't understand *why*someone > should own a gun think that it is therefore OK to deny guns to all thosewho > *do* want them. > That makes enough sense most people will not understand. Well thank God most people in the UK like autoracing. Dave