GP3 Weather

Apologies if this has been posted before, but check this article out :-) http://www.gamespot.co.uk/news/2000/05/6783.html -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Hmmmmm...... they speak of weather but the new screenshots seem to be only some very small ones enlarged to unnecessary proportions (again). *sniff* Hopefully we'll get some juicy stuff as the week goes on. Harjan Brand <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q5gW4.2640$[email hidden]...

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> It's incredible, I look forward to racing you on a partly wet Spa track. > Just imagine having to go through a very wet Blanchimont on slicks just > because a big part of the track is still dry. > > "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Apologies if this has been posted before, but check this article out :-) > > > > http://www.gamespot.co.uk/news/2000/05/6783.html > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > Graeme Nash > >

It's incredible, I look forward to racing you on a partly wet Spa track. Just imagine having to go through a very wet Blanchimont on slicks just because a big part of the track is still dry. "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Apologies if this has been posted before, but check this article out :-) > > http://www.gamespot.co.uk/news/2000/05/6783.html > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

>This just keeps getting better, I can't understand anyone who says it >doesn't...well I can, they can't stand something beating GPL..... No no no no no no no no! Everyone wants a sim that will walk all over GPL. But we've been let down so many times there's no point getting up false hopes. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Graeme Nash wrote in message ... > >Apologies if this has been posted before, but check this article out :-) > >http://www.gamespot.co.uk/news/2000/05/6783.html >From the article: "We drove round Interlagos in Brazil, suffering from a rather rare torrential downpour. Interlagos is unusual in that it is the only track in the season to be driven anti-clockwise. " Only track driven anti-clockwise? What, no Imola? Hena

On Mon, 22 May 2000 21:24:25 +0100, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hmmmmm...... they speak of weather but the new screenshots seem to be only >some very small ones enlarged to unnecessary proportions (again). > >*sniff* > >Hopefully we'll get some juicy stuff as the week goes on. These screen shots are not "new". They are taken from a promo video that can be downloaded here: http://grandprix3.free.fr/ Now, after you have taken a look at this video, I wonder who will still say that "GP3 will probably not be the best looking sim" <G> It looks Mucho Real to me!! To HELL with F12000 graphics. JoH

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> These screen shots are not "new". They are taken from a promo video > that can be downloaded here: http://grandprix3.free.fr/ > > Now, after you have taken a look at this video, I wonder who will > still say that "GP3 will probably not be the best looking sim" <G> > > It looks Mucho Real to me!! To HELL with F12000 graphics.

Yes your right, I just managed to finish downloading that actually. Looks great. I'm impressed by now much the incar seems to have a very realistic colour or look to it. This just keeps getting better, I can't understand anyone who says it doesn't...well I can, they can't stand something beating GPL.....

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> > No no no no no no no no! > > Everyone wants a sim that will walk all over GPL. But we've been let > down so many times there's no point getting up false hopes. > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

Exactly so! Bring all those other sims on, I say! As soon as we find the true GPL beater then we'll talk about nothing but it. Then the people that complain about too much GPL talk will complain that there is too much talk about Sim XYZ and that if we were a proper RAS we'd give equal time to abc and pdq. Other people would conduct polls........ :) David

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>>"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 20:18:11 GMT, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> > >> >Exactly so! Bring all those other sims on, I say! As soon as we find the >> >true GPL beater then we'll talk about nothing but it. Then the people >that >> >complain about too much GPL talk will complain that there is too much >talk >> >about Sim XYZ and that if we were a proper RAS we'd give equal time to >abc >> >and pdq. Other people would conduct polls........ :) >> > >> >David >> >> Wel, the problem is of course that different people have different >> ideas about the ideal sim. > >Shocking! The things you say! To think that people differ!

They shouldn't! Look at all the WARS that it causes!! And racism! And sexism! And hooliganism!! Cloning is the solution.

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>> A simulator can concentrate on being a RACING simulator and/or a >> CARPHYSICS simulator. GPL people have trouble believing that you can >> have a sim that is perfect in one of those aspects without being >> perfect in the other. > > Oddly enough many of "GPL people " have no problem with that concept. You >are familiar with "straw man" argument?

I don't think you need a lot of time to find all too many who actually DO. >> They need to loosen up a bit :-) > >"They" are not the only ones. ;) Who else? Khadafi? Zjirinovski? JoH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

the great and intrepid "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >To be a complete pedant, I must point out, Jo, that a *simulator* is a >device. A *simulation* is provided by software. No matter what I try, I never succeed in starting flamewars.. I only harvest stupid off-topic replies <G> Maybe r.a.s. isn't a valid newsgroup after all (this time it should work ;-) ) JoH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 23 May 2000 20:18:11 GMT, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> No no no no no no no no! >> >> Everyone wants a sim that will walk all over GPL. But we've been let >> down so many times there's no point getting up false hopes. >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> Graeme Nash > >Exactly so! Bring all those other sims on, I say! As soon as we find the >true GPL beater then we'll talk about nothing but it. Then the people that >complain about too much GPL talk will complain that there is too much talk >about Sim XYZ and that if we were a proper RAS we'd give equal time to abc >and pdq. Other people would conduct polls........ :) > >David

Wel, the problem is of course that different people have different ideas about the ideal sim. A simulator can concentrate on being a RACING simulator and/or a CARPHYSICS simulator. GPL people have trouble believing that you can have a sim that is perfect in one of those aspects without being perfect in the other. They need to loosen up a bit :-) JoH

> No no no no no no no no! > > Everyone wants a sim that will walk all over GPL. But we've been let > down so many times there's no point getting up false hopes. Good point but it only brings us back to the point that other sims aren't given a chance on RAS sometimes. Graphically GPL's ass has been whooped by many. And the physics of a number of sims have been a bit under-rated in the last year or so.

"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 23 May 2000 20:18:11 GMT, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Exactly so! Bring all those other sims on, I say! As soon as we find the > >true GPL beater then we'll talk about nothing but it. Then the peoplethat > >complain about too much GPL talk will complain that there is too muchtalk > >about Sim XYZ and that if we were a proper RAS we'd give equal time toabc > >and pdq. Other people would conduct polls........ :) > > > >David > > Wel, the problem is of course that different people have different > ideas about the ideal sim. Shocking! The things you say! To think that people differ! > A simulator can concentrate on being a RACING simulator and/or a > CARPHYSICS simulator. GPL people have trouble believing that you can > have a sim that is perfect in one of those aspects without being > perfect in the other. Oddly enough many of "GPL people " have no problem with that concept. You are familiar with "straw man" argument? > They need to loosen up a bit :-) "They" are not the only ones. ;) > > JoH David

On Wed, 24 May 2000 18:32:42 +0100 GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote: % Good point but it only brings us back to the point that other sims aren't % given a chance on RAS sometimes. Who doesn't give them a chance. We are all hungry for a GREAT sim and we give them all a chance. Gee I wonder what we talked about before GPL? At that time I remember 1/2 the crowd not giving ICRII a chance cuz GP2 was the king of the hill. Hmmmmmm.... % Graphically GPL's ass has been whooped by many. Graphically is not the key for hard core simmers.... % And the physics of a number of sims have been a bit under-rated in the last % year or so. By whom? I hear SCGT and Viper praised quite alot in this group (and there are those that still sing the praises of GP2). I don't think it is that they are under-rated, they are unfortunately be rated against the king of physics (currently). Why even NFS:PU has had its physics praised in r.a.s. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Personally, after reading the articles on Gamespot, I am really looking forward to GP3. The weather effects sound very nice. Dynamic weather (yes, F1RS had it) with varying levels of rain, a drying racing line, standing water and the possibility to cool tires by going off line. That is, if I am reading correctly. The reviewer, who seems to be quite a F1 fan, gave the impression that driving in the rain was going to be quite challenging. Bring it on. I've got some Rain-X to wipe on the screen. Stephen

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> > > No no no no no no no no! > > > > Everyone wants a sim that will walk all over GPL. But we've been let > > down so many times there's no point getting up false hopes. > > Good point but it only brings us back to the point that other sims aren't > given a chance on RAS sometimes. > > Graphically GPL's ass has been whooped by many.

How? By having helicopters flying over the "phantasy" tracks? (no sim name here ;^) Or moving wind mills? (NFS series) > > And the physics of a number of sims have been a bit under-rated in the last > year or so. Would you name them? I think all sims with a good physics engine were honored on ras. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

To be a complete pedant, I must point out, Jo, that a *simulator* is a device. A *simulation* is provided by software. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 23 May 2000 20:18:11 GMT, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> No no no no no no no no! > >> > >> Everyone wants a sim that will walk all over GPL. But we've been let > >> down so many times there's no point getting up false hopes. > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers! > >> Graeme Nash > > > >Exactly so! Bring all those other sims on, I say! As soon as we find the > >true GPL beater then we'll talk about nothing but it. Then the people that > >complain about too much GPL talk will complain that there is too much talk > >about Sim XYZ and that if we were a proper RAS we'd give equal time to abc > >and pdq. Other people would conduct polls........ :) > > > >David > > Wel, the problem is of course that different people have different > ideas about the ideal sim. > > A simulator can concentrate on being a RACING simulator and/or a > CARPHYSICS simulator. GPL people have trouble believing that you can > have a sim that is perfect in one of those aspects without being > perfect in the other. > > They need to loosen up a bit :-) > > JoH

On Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:25 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Personally, after reading the articles on Gamespot, I am really looking >forward to GP3. The weather effects sound very nice. Dynamic weather (yes, >F1RS had it) with varying levels of rain, a drying racing line, standing >water and the possibility to cool tires by going off line. That is, if I am >reading correctly. The reviewer, who seems to be quite a F1 fan, gave the >impression that driving in the rain was going to be quite challenging. > >Bring it on. I've got some Rain-X to wipe on the screen. >Stephen

I don't want to be negative, but I would take the "reviews" on Gamespot with a truckload of salt. They supposedly visited Crammond's development studio. Yet their screenshots are all taken from a publicly available promotion video! Of the first 3 articles, NONE provided ANY new info that hasn't been given somewhere else before. Me strongly suspects tbat it's all made up... JoH

On Thu, 25 May 2000 07:47:40 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >LOL! >Well...you've been here too long to be considered a troll so you probably >won't get too much response, mate. Summer of '95. That is indeed pretty long in Internet terms :-) JoH

LOL! Well...you've been here too long to be considered a troll so you probably won't get too much response, mate. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > the great and intrepid "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >To be a complete pedant, I must point out, Jo, that a *simulator* is a > >device. A *simulation* is provided by software. > > No matter what I try, I never succeed in starting flamewars.. I only harvest > stupid off-topic replies <G> > > Maybe r.a.s. isn't a valid newsgroup after all (this time it should work ;-) > ) > > JoH > > ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- > --------------------------------------------------------------

Hope I have lives then... JoH On Thu, 25 May 2000 23:14:44 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Exactly, Jo. Five years in internet terms is a lifetime. > >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >--------------------------- > >Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 25 May 2000 07:47:40 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >LOL! >> >Well...you've been here too long to be considered a troll so you probably >> >won't get too much response, mate. >> >> Summer of '95. >> >> That is indeed pretty long in Internet terms :-) >> >> JoH > >

> > Graphically GPL's ass has been whooped by many. > > How? > By having helicopters flying over the "phantasy" tracks? (no sim name > here ;^) > Or moving wind mills? (NFS series) Well thats not what I was referring too. GPL uses only very basic 3d objects it seems and only 256 colours. Its not hard to beat graphically. The problem is that GPL uses this little very well and so looks good and runs well. Other sims like to uses more complex 3d objects and graphics which perhaps causes the game to run like crap. MGRPS2, F1 2000, RC 2000, GP500..... etc... judging by "eye candy", GPL works well with what it has but doesn't have anything very complex. And still people car confusing Game Engine, Physics and Game Difficulty all as one I never understood this.

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> > > > Graphically GPL's ass has been whooped by many. > > > > How? > > By having helicopters flying over the "phantasy" tracks? (no sim name > > here ;^) > > Or moving wind mills? (NFS series) > > Well thats not what I was referring too. > > GPL uses only very basic 3d objects it seems and only 256 colours. > Its not hard to beat graphically. > > The problem is that GPL uses this little very well and so looks good and > runs well. Other sims like to uses more complex 3d objects and graphics > which perhaps causes the game to run like crap.

Well, I don't think i would call it a "problem". ;) OTOH, esp. with GPL I don't have the freaking time to check out the scenery. That's why I have NFS PU on my system, nice physics and great scenery. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Exactly, Jo. Five years in internet terms is a lifetime. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 25 May 2000 07:47:40 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >LOL! > >Well...you've been here too long to be considered a troll so you probably > >won't get too much response, mate. > > Summer of '95. > > That is indeed pretty long in Internet terms :-) > > JoH

You classify this as a *PROBLEM*????!!! (snip) (unsnip) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Other sims like to uses more complex 3d objects and graphics

You classify this as a *PROBLEM*????!!! (snip) > The problem is that GPL uses this little very well and so looks good and > runs well.(unsnip) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gjnvv$a36$[email hidden]... > > > Graphically GPL's ass has been whooped by many. > > > > How? > > By having helicopters flying over the "phantasy" tracks? (no sim name > > here ;^) > > Or moving wind mills? (NFS series) > > Well thats not what I was referring too. > > GPL uses only very basic 3d objects it seems and only 256 colours. > Its not hard to beat graphically. > Other sims like to uses more complex 3d objects and graphics > which perhaps causes the game to run like crap. > > MGRPS2, F1 2000, RC 2000, GP500..... etc... > > judging by "eye candy", GPL works well with what it has but doesn't have > anything very complex. > > And still people car confusing Game Engine, Physics and Game Difficulty all > as one I never understood this. > >

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> GraDee wrote: > > > > > > Graphically GPL's ass has been whooped by many. > > > > > > How? > > > By having helicopters flying over the "phantasy" tracks? (no sim name > > > here ;^) > > > Or moving wind mills? (NFS series) > > > > Well thats not what I was referring too. > > > > GPL uses only very basic 3d objects it seems and only 256 colours. > > Its not hard to beat graphically. > > > > The problem is that GPL uses this little very well and so looks good and > > runs well. Other sims like to uses more complex 3d objects and graphics > > which perhaps causes the game to run like crap. > > Well, I don't think i would call it a "problem". ;) > OTOH, esp. with GPL I don't have the freaking time to check out the > scenery. > That's why I have NFS PU on my system, nice physics and great scenery.

Exactly! 256 colours and low polygon 3d objects add up to a game the runs pretty well don't you think? Thats what GPL is.