Re: F12K 1.06 FF Effects equal GPL

You get the effects after installing 1.06, right? I only recently got rid of a dead zone problem with F12K - surely these effects weren't there the whole time? I would kick myself :) -- Pat Dotson Dave K wrote: > > With the force effects set at 100% in the control panel,my Force Rs is > giving excellent FFB.I would place it below GPL,but on par with Viper in > many areas.All I care about is the visceral thrill I get when driving on > the limit,something F12K gives me that is enhanced with the use of FFB. > > Dave K > > Pat Dotson wrote: > > > Maybe someone can help confirm this, but the FF effects > > really seem improved. They are equal to GPL in a lot > > of ways. I wasn't even expecting any change to FF, > > and it blew me away! > > > > There is still a frame rate hit with FF enabled, but > > at least now it's worth turning on. > > > > -- > > Pat Dotson

As far as FF is concerned, I can feel absolutely no difference at all with the patch - I wish I could. There is however, a HUGE improvement in the AI performance. Iain Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Maybe someone can help confirm this, but the FF effects > really seem improved. They are equal to GPL in a lot > of ways. I wasn't even expecting any change to FF, > and it blew me away! > > There is still a frame rate hit with FF enabled, but > at least now it's worth turning on. > > -- > Pat Dotson

With the force effects set at 100% in the control panel,my Force Rs is giving excellent FFB.I would place it below GPL,but on par with Viper in many areas.All I care about is the visceral thrill I get when driving on the limit,something F12K gives me that is enhanced with the use of FFB. Dave K Pat Dotson wrote:

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> Maybe someone can help confirm this, but the FF effects > really seem improved. They are equal to GPL in a lot > of ways. I wasn't even expecting any change to FF, > and it blew me away! > > There is still a frame rate hit with FF enabled, but > at least now it's worth turning on. > > -- > Pat Dotson

I have the spring gain, damper gain, and overall device gain set at 100% with my Force RS. For F12K, I have to enable the centering default spring force and set it to 50% or 60%. With no default spring enabled, there are no handling effects. At 100% the effects are masked by the centering force. Alison told us this a long time ago, but she never mentioned that handling effects could be felt :) -- Pat Dotson Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > My Guillemot Ferrari neither! Where is Pat getting these effects from? > Iain

Same FFB effects as pre 1.06 :) But,after the patch I don't get booted to desktop on those rare off track excursions :) That's the reason I originally turned off the FFB.Now it's on 100% everything in control panel,no centering spring either.I dusted off my LWFF and it's very anemic compared to the Force RS. Dave K Pat Dotson wrote:

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> You get the effects after installing 1.06, right? I only > recently got rid of a dead zone problem with F12K - surely > these effects weren't there the whole time? I would kick > myself :) > > -- > Pat Dotson > > Dave K wrote: > > > > With the force effects set at 100% in the control panel,my Force Rs is > > giving excellent FFB.I would place it below GPL,but on par with Viper in > > many areas.All I care about is the visceral thrill I get when driving on > > the limit,something F12K gives me that is enhanced with the use of FFB. > > > > Dave K > > > > Pat Dotson wrote: > > > > > Maybe someone can help confirm this, but the FF effects > > > really seem improved. They are equal to GPL in a lot > > > of ways. I wasn't even expecting any change to FF, > > > and it blew me away! > > > > > > There is still a frame rate hit with FF enabled, but > > > at least now it's worth turning on. > > > > > > -- > > > Pat Dotson

Pat Dotson wrote:

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> > Maybe someone can help confirm this, but the FF effects > really seem improved. They are equal to GPL in a lot > of ways. I wasn't even expecting any change to FF, > and it blew me away! > > There is still a frame rate hit with FF enabled, but > at least now it's worth turning on.

Hmmmm... The AI are *definitely* better, the framerate seems improved somewhat. But my LWFF just isn't showing any life outside the pits except for the kerbs. :-/ -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982

My Guillemot Ferrari neither! Where is Pat getting these effects from? Iain Chuck Kandler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Pat Dotson wrote: > > > > Maybe someone can help confirm this, but the FF effects > > really seem improved. They are equal to GPL in a lot > > of ways. I wasn't even expecting any change to FF, > > and it blew me away! > > > > There is still a frame rate hit with FF enabled, but > > at least now it's worth turning on. > > > Hmmmm... The AI are *definitely* better, the framerate seems improved > somewhat. But my LWFF just isn't showing any life outside the pits > except for the kerbs. :-/ > > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > > Your freedom's just a state of mind. > --Gene Simmons > From the song "War Machine", 1982

Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > My Guillemot Ferrari neither! Where is Pat getting these effects from? > Iain > I wonder if there's something else to toggle besides the on/off setting for the FF? I didn't see any, but I will re-load my LWFF profiler & check the centering spring settings. Maybe that'll make a difference... -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982

This is very strange.If I turn on the centering spring it takes away from almost all effects I feel.With everything set on 100% in control panel,but no centering spring,I get great FFB.I can feel the wheel load up in turns,lighten when sliding,but no kerb feel.I'm using the 1.06 patch,Force RS latest drivers,win 95b,DX7a. DaveK Pat Dotson wrote:

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> I have the spring gain, damper gain, and overall > device gain set at 100% with my Force RS. > > For F12K, I have to enable the centering default > spring force and set it to 50% or 60%. With no > default spring enabled, there are no handling > effects. At 100% the effects are masked by the > centering force. > > Alison told us this a long time ago, but she > never mentioned that handling effects could > be felt :) > > -- > Pat Dotson > > Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > > > My Guillemot Ferrari neither! Where is Pat getting these effects from? > > Iain

ive found ff....same frame rate.....MUCH better *1024 mirrors off most detail on* ai.....better as well and 6 gears in my jordan now :)*instead of 7* thats with celeron 366@550 98se 128mb ram voodoo 3 3000 at standard clock Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Maybe someone can help confirm this, but the FF effects > really seem improved. They are equal to GPL in a lot > of ways. I wasn't even expecting any change to FF, > and it blew me away! > > There is still a frame rate hit with FF enabled, but > at least now it's worth turning on. > > -- > Pat Dotson

Chuck Kandler wrote:

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> > Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > > > My Guillemot Ferrari neither! Where is Pat getting these effects from? > > Iain > > > > I wonder if there's something else to toggle besides the on/off setting > for the FF? I didn't see any, but I will re-load my LWFF profiler & > check the centering spring settings. Maybe that'll make a difference...

Nope, no difference with my LWFF. Oh well, at least there *are* improvements to be had with this patch. Just not in the FF dept. -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982