Re: I just set my PB at the RING today !!!!

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>That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOT >keep >it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I can >remember >MANY songs as a musician(words&music), a multitude of computer info, and many >other things. I can even tell you all the actors' names from Gilligan's >Island.<g> But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the >Ring. >Huttu doesn't count - he's not from this world... :) >

Hey Eldred, since you seem to be as bad as I am in GPL, I wanna challenge you to a race on VROC! May the worse driver lose! And that will be me! I'll see you in loosers lane! :)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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>>Eldred (10:28.88 at the Ring...) > >How could I forget you :) >To be honest, I am quite faster than you (8:20 something), but that >was after lots and lots of laps. Can't imagine that I will even break >the 8 minute limit though... >But Eldred, 10.28.88... Nobody can be THAT bad ? :))) >Serious, if you just concentrate on staying on the track, a sub 10 >minute lap is not that hard. After you drove enough laps to memorize >the track, or at least the points where you crash the most, you can >start on shaving of those 2 minutes... > >Andre >

That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOT keep it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I can remember MANY songs as a musician(words&music), a multitude of computer info, and many other things. I can even tell you all the actors' names from Gilligan's Island.<g> But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the Ring. Huttu doesn't count - he's not from this world... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 22 May 2000 03:10:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>>You're happy, and now I'm happy too, because finally I found someone >>who is actually slower than me at the Ring :))) >> >>Andre > >Andre, you just HAVEN'T been paying attention, have you...? > >Eldred (10:28.88 at the Ring...)

How could I forget you :) To be honest, I am quite faster than you (8:20 something), but that was after lots and lots of laps. Can't imagine that I will even break the 8 minute limit though... But Eldred, 10.28.88... Nobody can be THAT bad ? :))) Serious, if you just concentrate on staying on the track, a sub 10 minute lap is not that hard. After you drove enough laps to memorize the track, or at least the points where you crash the most, you can start on shaving of those 2 minutes... Andre

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>-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Nice time. We F3 drivers aim for that ballpark figure <G> sorry couldn't resist. Congrats. Here's to 9:30 now. MS "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I just set my PB at the RING today !!!! > > 10:05 > > ok ok > shut up and leave me alone to celebrate :)

you could learn it the way i did: Drive round, take the replay, (or use the one supplied) then, get a notepad, mark all the curves, both horizontal and vertical,(type, direction and speed), then have someone recite them to you, like a rally co-driver, next time your out on the course. Sooner or later, you'll start to "know what comes next". It's best to learn it one section at a time. Start by making sure you know from the s/f line to Flugplatz, then, only when you're sure of that section, move on to the next. And don't push too hard if your new to a piece of track, or you'll end up crashing and getting frustrated. EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre > Warringa) writes: > > >>Eldred (10:28.88 at the Ring...) > > > >How could I forget you :) > >To be honest, I am quite faster than you (8:20 something), but that > >was after lots and lots of laps. Can't imagine that I will even break > >the 8 minute limit though... > >But Eldred, 10.28.88... Nobody can be THAT bad ? :))) > >Serious, if you just concentrate on staying on the track, a sub 10 > >minute lap is not that hard. After you drove enough laps to memorize > >the track, or at least the points where you crash the most, you can > >start on shaving of those 2 minutes... > > > >Andre > > > > That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOT

keep > it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I canremember > MANY songs as a musician(words&music), a multitude of computer info, andmany > other things. I can even tell you all the actors' names from Gilligan's > Island.<g> But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at theRing.

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> Huttu doesn't count - he's not from this world... :) > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I have a hard time with some of the names, but I can visualize driving the track no problem... maybe done 60 laps there, if that. You really need to post some laps/setups Eldred... there's got to be something fundamentally wrong if you're having trouble staying on the black stuff at that pace. Jan. =--- EldredP wrote... > That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOTkeep > it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I canremember > MANY songs as a musician(words&music), a multitude of computer info, andmany > other things. I can even tell you all the actors' names from Gilligan's > Island.<g> But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at theRing.

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> Huttu doesn't count - he's not from this world... :) > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred and TRUSRS85, I suggest you both run The Ring in opposite directions and see if you ever catch site of each other. John Nelson TRUSRS85 wrote: > >Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? > > hehe > > whenever Eldred contacts me > lol

In article <g$$[email hidden]>, Graeme Nash <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the Ring. > >Hmm, off the top of my head... :-) > >Straight, slow left, long right, straight, slow left, slow left, right >kink, medium right, left kink, slow left-right chicane, right, left, >short straight, slow right, slow downhill left, kinked straight over two >hills (flugplatz), fast right, gradual fast left, downhill straight with >right kink, medium left, slow right, fast downhill esses, fast uphill >double apex left, right-left-right chicane, kinked straight, medium >double-apex left, slow left, right kink, slow left, left-right flick, >medium double-apex right, downhill straight, slow left, slow right, >downhill straight, slow left, slow uphill right, straight, quick left >flick, short straight, slow right, long fast left curve, quick right >flick, short straight, quick right-left flick, medium double apex left, >short straight, slow right, short straight, right hairpin, short >straight, left hairpin (karrussel), right flick, short straight, quick >left, slow left-right, slow downhill right, medium left-right, slow >left-right, short straight, slow uphill right, ... **not sure for a >while** ... short straight, slow uphill left, slow sharp downhill left, >short straight, medium double-apex right, medium left, medium downhill >left, short straight, fast esses, slow right over bridge, slow left, >short straight, slow left (kleines karrussel) short straight, slow >right, medium right, looooong straight, fast left, short straight, >chicane, straight. >

I'm about to put you in the 'alien' category... >Wow, I'm a lot sadder than I thought :-) But your lap doesn't need to be timed by a SUNDIAL... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) writes:

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>> >>>>Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? >>> >>>hehe >>> >>>whenever Eldred contacts me >>>lol >>> >> >>Uh, No habla Anglais...<g> >> >>Juan Pablo > > >Como esta usted? Estoy muy bien. >Que pasa? >

Merde.... Damn multi-linguals... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>> >>>>>Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? >>>> >>>>hehe >>>> >>>>whenever Eldred contacts me >>>>lol >>>> >>> >>>Uh, No habla Anglais...<g> >>> >>>Juan Pablo >> >> >>Como esta usted? Estoy muy bien. >>Que pasa? >> > >Merde.... >Damn multi-linguals... :) > >Eldred >--

hahahaha So Eldred...........hehe.........virgin........hehe how bout this. you. Me. Vroc. The ring. 1 or 2 laps. May the slowest looser lose! Are you with me? I said...... Are you with me?????? :) Have a nice day!

Hi Eldred, The Nurburgring actually has lots of slow turns. If you keep in 3rd gear and don't crash you could probably do a 9 minute lap easily. For memorizing the track, don't try to memorize each turn at the start. Memorize the 14 sections denoted by large yellow/white signs. Keep landmarks in mind like the first bridge turn in the twisty hedge part ;-) One more thing, use the color of the groove to help judge the speed of the next turn. If it is really black, the turn is slow. You really can memorize all the turns once you've been there long enough. Hope this helps, Jason. EldredP wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre > >minute lap is not that hard. After you drove enough laps to memorize > >the track, or at least the points where you crash the most, you can > >start on shaving of those 2 minutes... > > > >Andre > > > > That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOT keep > it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I can remember > > Eldred > --

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL) http://members.home.net/stuff.mondsj/csp - Car Sim Project (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

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> >>>Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? >> >>hehe >> >>whenever Eldred contacts me >>lol >> > >Uh, No habla Anglais...<g> > >Juan Pablo

Como esta usted? Estoy muy bien. Que pasa?

>But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the Ring. Hmm, off the top of my head... :-) Straight, slow left, long right, straight, slow left, slow left, right kink, medium right, left kink, slow left-right chicane, right, left, short straight, slow right, slow downhill left, kinked straight over two hills (flugplatz), fast right, gradual fast left, downhill straight with right kink, medium left, slow right, fast downhill esses, fast uphill double apex left, right-left-right chicane, kinked straight, medium double-apex left, slow left, right kink, slow left, left-right flick, medium double-apex right, downhill straight, slow left, slow right, downhill straight, slow left, slow uphill right, straight, quick left flick, short straight, slow right, long fast left curve, quick right flick, short straight, quick right-left flick, medium double apex left, short straight, slow right, short straight, right hairpin, short straight, left hairpin (karrussel), right flick, short straight, quick left, slow left-right, slow downhill right, medium left-right, slow left-right, short straight, slow uphill right, ... **not sure for a while** ... short straight, slow uphill left, slow sharp downhill left, short straight, medium double-apex right, medium left, medium downhill left, short straight, fast esses, slow right over bridge, slow left, short straight, slow left (kleines karrussel) short straight, slow right, medium right, looooong straight, fast left, short straight, chicane, straight. Wow, I'm a lot sadder than I thought :-) Seriously though the Ring isn't about knowing things by heart, but basically to have a good idea what's coming next. Sort of like when people say "I can get there, but I couldn't tell you how I do it" :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

> That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOT keep > it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I can remember > MANY songs as a musician(words&music), a multitude of computer info, and many > other things. I can even tell you all the actors' names from Gilligan's > Island.<g> But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the Ring. > Huttu doesn't count - he's not from this world... :) You've got to break it into sections and learn each one. Remember it's like 5 or 6 normal race tracks in one. - Michael

>Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? hehe whenever Eldred contacts me lol

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) writes:

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>>Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? > >hehe > >whenever Eldred contacts me >lol >

Uh, No habla Anglais...<g> Juan Pablo -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >Hey Eldred, since you seem to be as bad as I am in GPL, I wanna >challenge you to a race on VROC! May the worse driver lose! And >that will be me! I'll see you in loosers lane! >:) -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in <20000522151626.05836.00002188@nso- ch.aol.com>: > Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. >Eldred Driving ability is one thing, learning ability another. If you haven't learned your way around the Ring, you simply haven't put in the time. Now dammit Eldred, do some laps of the Ring , you've got a race to train for! -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

Man I wanna watch this race. Whens it gonna be ? -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

hehe whenever Eldred contacts me lol

Como esta usted? Estoy muy bien. Que pasa?

Dang, I wasn't listening, can you repeat that? :) -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g$$[email hidden]... > > >But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the Ring. > > Hmm, off the top of my head... :-) > > Straight, slow left, long right, straight, slow left, slow left, right > kink, medium right, left kink, slow left-right chicane, right, left, > short straight, slow right, slow downhill left, kinked straight over two > hills (flugplatz), fast right, gradual fast left, downhill straight with > right kink, medium left, slow right, fast downhill esses, fast uphill > double apex left, right-left-right chicane, kinked straight, medium > double-apex left, slow left, right kink, slow left, left-right flick, > medium double-apex right, downhill straight, slow left, slow right, > downhill straight, slow left, slow uphill right, straight, quick left > flick, short straight, slow right, long fast left curve, quick right > flick, short straight, quick right-left flick, medium double apex left, > short straight, slow right, short straight, right hairpin, short > straight, left hairpin (karrussel), right flick, short straight, quick > left, slow left-right, slow downhill right, medium left-right, slow > left-right, short straight, slow uphill right, ... **not sure for a > while** ... short straight, slow uphill left, slow sharp downhill left, > short straight, medium double-apex right, medium left, medium downhill > left, short straight, fast esses, slow right over bridge, slow left, > short straight, slow left (kleines karrussel) short straight, slow > right, medium right, looooong straight, fast left, short straight, > chicane, straight. > > Wow, I'm a lot sadder than I thought :-) > Seriously though the Ring isn't about knowing things by heart, but > basically to have a good idea what's coming next. Sort of like when > people say "I can get there, but I couldn't tell you how I do it" :-) > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

>Eldred and TRUSRS85, > >I suggest you both run The Ring in opposite directions and see if you >ever catch site of each other. > >John Nelson HAHAHAHAHA I'm game for that :) r u Eldred?

>Can I get in on this? My PB at the Ring is a dismal 10:15 so we should >have a good race...eh? > >Gary sure all slowpokes are welcome :)

In article <[email hidden]>, Jason Monds <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hi Eldred, > >The Nurburgring actually has lots of slow turns. If you keep in 3rd gear and >don't crash you could probably do a 9 minute lap easily. For memorizing the >track, don't try to memorize each turn at the start. Memorize the 14 >sections >denoted by large yellow/white signs.

Signs? They have SIGNS in there...? <just kidding>

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>Keep landmarks in mind like the first >bridge >turn in the twisty hedge part ;-) > >One more thing, use the color of the groove to help judge the speed of the >next >turn. If it is really black, the turn is slow. >

Usually, if the groove is real dark, it's soon followed by an "Oh shit!" from me...<g> >You really can memorize all the turns once you've been there long enough. > >Hope this helps, >Jason. I'll take your word for it... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Can I get in on this? My PB at the Ring is a dismal 10:15 so we should have a good race...eh? Gary TRUSRS85 wrote:

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> > >That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOT > >keep > >it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I can > >remember > >MANY songs as a musician(words&music), a multitude of computer info, and many > >other things. I can even tell you all the actors' names from Gilligan's > >Island.<g> But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the > >Ring. > >Huttu doesn't count - he's not from this world... :) > > > > Hey Eldred, since you seem to be as bad as I am in GPL, I wanna challenge you > to a race on VROC! May the worse driver lose! And that will be me! I'll see > you in loosers lane! > :)

HAHAHAHAHA I'm game for that :) r u Eldred?

sure all slowpokes are welcome :)

Take the week off work, pick one car. Go to the Ring. Don't change the setup at all. Drive laps. Many laps. Then, do more laps. You may allow for up to three toilet breaks, and lunch. Then, more laps. At the end of the week, you'll find you can recognize some, if not all sections. You don't need to know the track verbatim, but it helps to know that a particular section of the track has certain types of corners. While learning the track, it may help to brake whenever you can't see what's over a rise, as at least you won't crash, and next time, you'll know you can go a bit faster at that point.

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>Can I get in on this? My PB at the Ring is a dismal 10:15 so we should >have a good race...eh? > >Gary > >TRUSRS85 wrote: >> >> >That's the problem. I keep having these curves sneak up on me. I canNOT >> >keep >> >it on the track for a full lap. Memorize a lap? Yeah, RIGHT. I can >> >remember >> >MANY songs as a musician(words&music), a multitude of computer info, and >many >> >other things. I can even tell you all the actors' names from Gilligan's >> >Island.<g> But I don't see how *anyone* could memorize the turns at the >> >Ring. >> >Huttu doesn't count - he's not from this world... :) >> > >> >> Hey Eldred, since you seem to be as bad as I am in GPL, I wanna challenge >you >> to a race on VROC! May the worse driver lose! And that will be me! I'll >see >> you in loosers lane! >> :) >

Y'know, this might be fun(ny)... Whe's a good day/time for you guys...? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre > Warringa) writes: > > >On 21 May 2000 17:36:28 GMT, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote: > > > >>I just set my PB at the RING today !!!! > >> > >>10:05 > >> > >>ok ok > >>shut up and leave me alone to celebrate :) > > > >You're happy, and now I'm happy too, because finally I found someone > >who is actually slower than me at the Ring :))) > > > >Andre > > Andre, you just HAVEN'T been paying attention, have you...? > > Eldred (10:28.88 at the Ring...)

Admittedly, I haven't turned a whole lot of laps at The Ring. And most of the time I spend in GPL is usually in the F3's, BUT... You ain't gonna believe this man... Just checked my best laps page. Man, this is BAD. 11:02. Move over guys. King of the Turtles is here! -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982

TRUSRS85 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I just set my PB at the RING today !!!! > > 10:05 > > ok ok > shut up and leave me alone to celebrate :) >

If that's 10 hours and 5 minutes, I've just barely got you beat :)

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>hahahaha >So Eldred...........hehe.........virgin........hehe >how bout this. you. Me. Vroc. The ring. 1 or 2 laps. May the slowest looser >lose! >Are you with me? I said...... Are you with me?????? > >:) >Have a nice day! > >

??? Eldred?

??? Eldred?