Re: Can I run GPL on a TNT 1 ???

On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have >version 1.2. >Any help please Do you have the OpenGL patch? Go to www.papy.com and look for it. Once you have it installed, select OpenGL from the menu. There is some info in the README file that explains how to minimize the problem with flashing mirrors that occurs with the TNT cards. Don't believe Mr. Pants. The game runs OK with a TNT 1. Tim

GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT performace is pure pants. On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have >version 1.2. >Any help please >[email hidden] > > >

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

What rubbish! I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 cars. No problems at all. Kev [email hidden] wrote:

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> > GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT > performace is pure pants. > > On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > >version 1.2. > >Any help please > >[email hidden] > > > > > > > > Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT > performace is pure pants. Not actually. I have a TNT (1) running on a PII 350 overclocked to 392 and the performance is great. Ryan

In message <[email hidden]> Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > cars. No problems at all. What CPU/motherboard are you using to do this?!?! -- Richard. "The magical mystery tour is coming to take you away."

And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? I have a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple once again with a 3dfx card.) My point was that the game was built for a different set of video protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games built from the ground up for D3D. On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What rubbish! >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 >cars. No problems at all. > >Kev > >[email hidden] wrote: >> >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT >> performace is pure pants. >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have >> >version 1.2. >> >Any help please >> >[email hidden] >> > >> > >> > >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

PIII-600 TNT2 Ultra 770 128Mb RAM Kev Richard Walker wrote:

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> > In message <[email hidden]> > Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > > cars. No problems at all. > > What CPU/motherboard are you using to do this?!?! > > -- > Richard. > > "The magical mystery tour is coming to take you away."

Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have version 1.2. Any help please [email hidden]

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> In message <[email hidden]> > Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > > cars. No problems at all. > > What CPU/motherboard are you using to do this?!?!

I have the same framerate in 1024x768 I use ASUS P2B P2@466 128 MB Ram ASUS TNT1 (!!) - overclocked ok, i had to reduce the mirror refresh rate, but is this really such a big problem? The game runs perfect on my machine. No use buying another videocard just for GPL

What on earth are u doing wrong? I am totally honest about the performance of GPL on my system, so Im puzzled why it doesnt work on yours... I have 36 FPS in 1024x768 I use ASUS P2B P2@466 128 MB Ram ASUS TNT1 (!!) - overclocked Only the start gives a lower framerate (20FPS) ...

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> And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? I have > a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently > sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple > once again with a 3dfx card.) > > My point was that the game was built for a different set of video > protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. > Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games > built from the ground up for D3D. > > On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >What rubbish! > >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > >cars. No problems at all. > > > >Kev > > > >[email hidden] wrote: > >> > >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT > >> performace is pure pants. > >> > >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > >> >version 1.2. > >> >Any help please > >> >[email hidden] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > > > Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

I seriously doubt I am doing anything wrong. It is my experience that the combination of a TNT 1 and a PII-300 is just not enough for GPL. (The CPU might be OK, but not with that video card.) So, I'll either wait until I have the horsepower to experience GPL as something other than a slideshow or I will spend my time enjoying all the more current motorsport alternatives that don't require quite so much brute force. Like, for example, NFS: PU. On Tue, 23 May 2000 18:36:42 GMT, "Karl Zosel" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What on earth are u doing wrong? >I am totally honest about the performance of GPL on my system, so Im puzzled >why it doesnt work on yours... > >I have 36 FPS in 1024x768 >I use ASUS P2B >P2@466 >128 MB Ram >ASUS TNT1 (!!) - overclocked > >Only the start gives a lower framerate (20FPS) > >... >> And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? I have >> a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently >> sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple >> once again with a 3dfx card.) >> >> My point was that the game was built for a different set of video >> protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. >> Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games >> built from the ground up for D3D. >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >What rubbish! >> >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 >> >cars. No problems at all. >> > >> >Kev >> > >> >[email hidden] wrote: >> >> >> >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT >> >> performace is pure pants. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have >> >> >version 1.2. >> >> >Any help please >> >> >[email hidden] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... >> >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > >

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

I used rearview only..... Sudesh [email hidden] wrote:

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> > Having just a little trouble with the combination of "no fun" and > "work faultlessly." <g> > > On Wed, 24 May 2000 19:24:16 +0200, amos-opus > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I used to run GPL on a TNT with 36fps in exterior view, 20fps in > >interior..the latter no fun i agree, but it did work faultlessly (on a > >P2/400) > > > >Sudesh > > > >[email hidden] wrote: > >> > >> And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? I have > >> a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently > >> sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple > >> once again with a 3dfx card.) > >> > >> My point was that the game was built for a different set of video > >> protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. > >> Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games > >> built from the ground up for D3D. > >> > >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >What rubbish! > >> >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > >> >cars. No problems at all. > >> > > >> >Kev > >> > > >> >[email hidden] wrote: > >> >> > >> >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT > >> >> performace is pure pants. > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > >> >> >version 1.2. > >> >> >Any help please > >> >> >[email hidden] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > >> > >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > > Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

here goes....... opengl Beta2 set something to blocktransfer in you openGL properties....and pray...... Sudesh Barry Cuff wrote: > > Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > version 1.2. > Any help please > [email hidden]

I used to run GPL on a TNT with 36fps in exterior view, 20fps in interior..the latter no fun i agree, but it did work faultlessly (on a P2/400) Sudesh [email hidden] wrote:

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> > And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? I have > a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently > sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple > once again with a 3dfx card.) > > My point was that the game was built for a different set of video > protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. > Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games > built from the ground up for D3D. > > On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >What rubbish! > >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > >cars. No problems at all. > > > >Kev > > > >[email hidden] wrote: > >> > >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT > >> performace is pure pants. > >> > >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > >> >version 1.2. > >> >Any help please > >> >[email hidden] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > > Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Absolutely, just get the OpenGL Beta2 patch from www.papy.com and turn down the mirror refresh rate to every 3rd frame (see the readme file for the OpenGL patch to see how to do this).

I would tend to agree, that a TNT1 isn't well suited to running GPL, at least not on a mid-range to poor system. I've got a PII 266, and when I attempted to run it with my STB Velocity 4400 16 meg AGP card, I could only get the chase view to work, and at that with graphics turned down to about 1/2 level, no mirrors or cockpit features whatsoever, and running with a full field of 19 cars I could only get around 15 fps in traffic. Running all alone I could get 26-30 fps, which for this challenging of a game just doesn't cut it. I added a Voodoo II 12 meg and volia! That did the trick, so unless your TNT1 is on a kick but system, like a PIII 700+ system, with no less than 128 meg of ram you'll be dissapointed.

[email hidden] wrote: > > And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? It doesn't directly, but you stated that it ONLY runs with a 3dfx card. Which isn't true. I have a friend who runs GPL on a TNT1 with no problems. You CAN play it perfectly well with TNT1/2 cards.

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> I have > a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently > sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple > once again with a 3dfx card.) > > My point was that the game was built for a different set of video > protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. > Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games > built from the ground up for D3D.

Yes of course it was built for 3dfx cards but the openGL patch works fine. I was trying to save the guy some money. He can run GPL with the system he already has. There are plenty of folk who have nightmares with voodoo cards and GPL too judging by the number of posts in here. Kev

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> > On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >What rubbish! > >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > >cars. No problems at all. > > > >Kev > > > >[email hidden] wrote: > >> > >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT > >> performace is pure pants. > >> > >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > >> >version 1.2. > >> >Any help please > >> >[email hidden] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > > Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

I used rearview only..... Sudesh

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> Having just a little trouble with the combination of "no fun" and > "work faultlessly." <g> > On Wed, 24 May 2000 19:24:16 +0200, amos-opus > >I used to run GPL on a TNT with 36fps in exterior view, 20fps in > >interior..the latter no fun i agree, but it did work faultlessly (on a > >P2/400) > >Sudesh > >> And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? I have > >> a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently > >> sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple > >> once again with a 3dfx card.) > >> My point was that the game was built for a different set of video > >> protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. > >> Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games > >> built from the ground up for D3D. > >> >What rubbish! > >> >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 > >> >cars. No problems at all. > >> >Kev > >> >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT > >> >> performace is pure pants. > >> >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > >> >> >version 1.2. > >> >> >Any help please > >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... > Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

On Wed, 24 May 2000 09:37:18 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >[email hidden] wrote: >> >> And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? >It doesn't directly, but you stated that it ONLY runs with a 3dfx card. >Which isn't true. I have a friend who runs GPL on a TNT1 with no >problems. You CAN play it perfectly well with TNT1/2 cards.

OK, so we've established that a TNT1 and TNT2 are different cards. And I did say that GPL only runs on Rendition and 3dfx cards. Maybe I should have said "only runs out of the box on Rendition and 3dfx cards." What kind of system does your friend have? I'll bet it's better than a PII-300. I think others here have stated that a TNT card is OK as long as you have lots and lots of CPU behind it.

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> > >> I have >> a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently >> sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple >> once again with a 3dfx card.) >> >> My point was that the game was built for a different set of video >> protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. >> Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games >> built from the ground up for D3D. >Yes of course it was built for 3dfx cards but the openGL patch works >fine. I was trying to save the guy some money. He can run GPL with the >system he already has.

I don't remember him saying what system he has. If he has a system like mine (TNT1. PII-300) he's not going to have much luck. Trying to save him some money is laudable. Even so, it's been my experience that there are some things one cannot do on the cheap. It might actually be less expensive, in terms of cost and time ("Once you've downloaded and applied the patch, you can begin editing the CORE.INI file....") to buy a low-end voodoo card rather than trying to fiddle a TNT into behaving itself, especially on a slower system. >There are plenty of folk who have nightmares with >voodoo cards and GPL too judging by the number of posts in here. No question! <g> Voodoo no longer seems like a mainstream card. And GPL seems more and more like a brilliant and finicky orphan. Keeping it going as systems and system standards continue to evolve feels a bit like keeping any rare vehicle roadworthy. For those who've come to love it, all the effort is amply rewarded. For those who've come to the party late, getting everything to work can be something of a challenge.

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> >Kev > > >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >What rubbish! >> >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 >> >cars. No problems at all. >> > >> >Kev >> > >> >[email hidden] wrote: >> >> >> >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT >> >> performace is pure pants. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have >> >> >version 1.2. >> >> >Any help please >> >> >[email hidden] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Having just a little trouble with the combination of "no fun" and "work faultlessly." <g> On Wed, 24 May 2000 19:24:16 +0200, amos-opus <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I used to run GPL on a TNT with 36fps in exterior view, 20fps in >interior..the latter no fun i agree, but it did work faultlessly (on a >P2/400) > >Sudesh > >[email hidden] wrote: >> >> And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? I have >> a TNT 1 and GPL runs so poorly as to be undrivable. (It currently >> sits safely on a shelf, awaiting the day when I feel moved to grapple >> once again with a 3dfx card.) >> >> My point was that the game was built for a different set of video >> protocols and that the Open GL patch is not all that impressive. >> Especially not when compared to the performance possible with games >> built from the ground up for D3D. >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 11:03:50 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >What rubbish! >> >I (and many others) run it on a TNT2 with 36fps, all the details on, 19 >> >cars. No problems at all. >> > >> >Kev >> > >> >[email hidden] wrote: >> >> >> >> GPL only runs with Rendition Verite (ancient) or 3dfx. The nvidia TNT >> >> performace is pure pants. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:27:00 +1200, "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have >> >> >version 1.2. >> >> >Any help please >> >> >[email hidden] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce.... >> >> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

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> > On Wed, 24 May 2000 09:37:18 +0100, Kev <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >[email hidden] wrote: > >> > >> And how does its running on a TNT 2 help someone with a TNT 1? > >It doesn't directly, but you stated that it ONLY runs with a 3dfx card. > >Which isn't true. I have a friend who runs GPL on a TNT1 with no > >problems. You CAN play it perfectly well with TNT1/2 cards. >

lets see what does the poster mean by "perfectly" here's the test, with the mirrors set to full on, no registry hacking, and running v1.2 of GPL can any TNT or GeWhiz card produce 36fps in the cockpit? If you mean he can run it perfectly at 25fps, then we have a disagreement. If you mean he can run it perfectly at 36fps from the Nintendo F10 ARCARD Tail Gunner view, then we again have a disagreement. If you mean after hacking the registry and limiting the mirror updates to every two or 4 or 8 frames, then once again, we have a disagreement. dave henrie

Here is copy of my Core.INI My system not very high spec .. Celeron 366@457, 128mb sdram,Asus P2F m/b, Asus V3400 TNT 16mb , using 3.84 drivers (I think..) With the following I can obtain from cockpit view 32-36FPS external 36+FPS Also included is my Force feed back setting for Logitech wheel.. maybe it may help you.. [ Int Profile Values ] value0 = OpenGL:TossHighestMip:0 ; do not change value1 = OpenGL:MipFiltering:0 ; do not change value2 = OpenGL:MirrorsEvery:0 ; do not change [ OpenGL ] TossHighestMip = 1 ; MipFiltering = 4 ; MirrorsEvery = 4 ; [ Joy ] allow_force_feedback = 1 ; Use FF if device has it force_feedback_damping = 0.0 ; force feedback damping coefficient force_feedback_latency = 0.08500 ; force feedback latency (secs) max_steering_torque = 300.000000 ; steering torque in N*in giving max device force "Barry Cuff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi there I have GPL and cant seem to get it to run in 3d mode, I have > version 1.2. > Any help please > [email hidden] > > >