Re: Wanted: the *technique* using split axis pedals

in reality you shouldnt use both pedals at the same time, the benefit of left foot braking is the time it takes you to apply the brakes . Some people use the accelerator to shift weight back during braking, but easing off the brake achieves the same goal. Think - weight all over front wheels when braking , ease off the brake, the weight moves back a little = pushing the accelerator, the weight moves back a little. If the throw of your pedals is long and youre acurate enough with them, you shouldnt have to accel and brake at the same time (unless you want to warm the brake discs or stress the engine and transmission) so, who wants to argue first? :) pez Andrew Turner wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Again, I'm trying to select pedals based on the advice of this group and >websites such as GTX_Slotcar's and www.mpog.com. > >I'm trying to picture the use of split axis pedals - I think it means >you can use the accellerator and brake at the same time? > >I'm also trying to visualize the situations in which this will be an >advantage. > >Any thoughts appreciated! > >Andrew > >"Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, >going through your stuff." >-Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey >

It is only an advantage when cornering. In article <[email hidden]>, Andrew Turner <[email hidden]> wrote: > Again, I'm trying to select pedals based on the advice of this groupand

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> websites such as GTX_Slotcar's and www.mpog.com. > > I'm trying to picture the use of split axis pedals - I think it means > you can use the accellerator and brake at the same time? > > I'm also trying to visualize the situations in which this will be an > advantage. > > Any thoughts appreciated! > > Andrew > > "Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over

here, > going through your stuff." > -Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

It is only an advantage when cornering. In article <[email hidden]>, Andrew Turner <[email hidden]> wrote: > Again, I'm trying to select pedals based on the advice of this groupand

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> websites such as GTX_Slotcar's and www.mpog.com. > > I'm trying to picture the use of split axis pedals - I think it means > you can use the accellerator and brake at the same time? > > I'm also trying to visualize the situations in which this will be an > advantage. > > Any thoughts appreciated! > > Andrew > > "Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over

here, > going through your stuff." > -Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Thomas Soerensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That means you can set the brake bias to 100% on the front > wheels and the hit the brake and gas at the same time. Result > you drive with blocked front wheels. Then you can be a > contestant in the flatspotting competition. It's **MUCH** more fun to set the bias to 100% rear, then play Monza on GPL and have some serious fun on the start / finish straight. Who said F1 cars didn't have handbrakes !!!!

Again, I'm trying to select pedals based on the advice of this group and websites such as GTX_Slotcar's and www.mpog.com. I'm trying to picture the use of split axis pedals - I think it means you can use the accellerator and brake at the same time? I'm also trying to visualize the situations in which this will be an advantage. Any thoughts appreciated! Andrew "Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, going through your stuff." -Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey

That means you can set the brake bias to 100% on the front wheels and the hit the brake and gas at the same time. Result you drive with blocked front wheels. Then you can be a contestant in the flatspotting competition. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

"Andrew Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote > Again, I'm trying to select pedals based on the advice of this group and > websites such as GTX_Slotcar's and www.mpog.com. CH pedals (Non-pro). It's the best choice. http://www.chproducts.com/ > I'm trying to picture the use of split axis pedals - I think it means > you can use the accellerator and brake at the same time? Exactly, but of course you need to have a software which permits you to do such a thing. GPL gives you this option, but any title using the old game engine by Papyrus does not. The 3 major titles of 2000 will give you correct split axis (WSC, N4, GP3). > I'm also trying to visualize the situations in which this will be anadvantage You can modulate the throttle during some situation to shift the weight under braking, or in the opposite, modulate the brake during some situation to shift the weight under acceleration. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

It will help you brake deeper and have a quicker turn in by trail braking. You don't need dual axis to trailbrake but it helps. Say in GPL you go into a corner under braking and when you start turning in the rear of the car will start to step out. When that happens keep on braking but add a tiny bit of throttle to counter act the braking forces of the rear brakes, this will give the rear tires more traction and will stop the rear from sliding out. In a way your adjusting your brake bias with the gas. Just remember when your adding a little gas your not accelerating but just counter acting the rear brakes to make the rear tires roll free so they can get the most traction. With out dual axis you have to modulate the brakes more or release the brakes and add a little gas. It's just more work without dual axis and a little slower. Also dual axis is good to feather or blip the throttle during downshifts, it will keep the car more stable during heavy straight line braking, as you can counter act engine braking with the blip. GPL doesn't give big enough blips,imo. But that could be a driver style thing. Hope that helps. Andrew Turner wrote:

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> > Again, I'm trying to select pedals based on the advice of this group and > websites such as GTX_Slotcar's and www.mpog.com. > > I'm trying to picture the use of split axis pedals - I think it means > you can use the accellerator and brake at the same time? > > I'm also trying to visualize the situations in which this will be an > advantage. > > Any thoughts appreciated! > > Andrew > > "Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, > going through your stuff." > -Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey

letting the rear wheels spin more easily wont save a slide. You need to transfer weight to them to give them more grip, which is what happens when you press both pedals in a corner. Just have a look at the attitude of the car when you apply the throttle while braking in a replay, and youll notice that the back end squats a little or the front end rises a little, this is the weight transfering back a little giving more grip at the rear. just easing off the brake really does do the same thing. pez * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

letting the rear wheels spin more easily wont save a slide. You need to transfer weight to them to give them more grip, which is what happens when you press both pedals in a corner. Just have a look at the attitude of the car when you apply the throttle while braking in a replay, and youll notice that the back end squats a little or the front end rises a little, this is the weight transfering back a little giving more grip at the rear. just easing off the brake really does do the same thing. pez * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

get the F1 sim wheel and pedals from http://www.interactiveracing.com/ ive had mine for 2 years and it still works well. No Force Feedback, but the pedals are superb, and so s the wheel! You might want to wait untill the end of the year for some new Force Feedback wheels to be released... sry about the double post earlier, but remarq aint all its cracked up to be... pez * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

>letting the rear wheels spin more easily wont save a slide. unless of course those wheels arent spinning in the first place, in which case, ease off the brake or accelerate OR move brake bias around so that all wheels lock at the same time... pez * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

By freeing up your rear tires by adding a little gas is like moving your brake bias to 100% to the front. Try spinning a car with 100% front brake bias. You can modulate the rear brakes with the gas. Personaly, I don't see the good in "pushing" the car with the gas and the front brakes applied. If the rear of the car is squating you must be pushing it. By doing that your putting more load on your front tires and increasing your braking distance by using up the friction circle. Maybe there is 2 different ways of doing it, I don't know. But by putting more load on the front tires when you trying to slow down doesn't sound right. pez wrote:

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> > letting the rear wheels spin more easily wont save a slide. You > need to transfer weight to them to give them more grip, which is > what happens when you press both pedals in a corner. > Just have a look at the attitude of the car when you apply the > throttle while braking in a replay, and youll notice that the > back end squats a little or the front end rises a little, this > is the weight transfering back a little giving more grip at the > rear. just easing off the brake really does do the same thing. > > pez > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

a car will brake quicker if all 4 tyres are near their limit of straight line grip, move all braking to the front tyres and youll lessen the braking forces on the car (4 wheels brake better than 2). The rear tyres get weighted more when pressing the accelerator (weight shift between 4 wheels braking to 2 wheels braking 2 wheels accelerating, weight goes backwards), same as easing off the brake. pez * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

Hi, Pez :) Your right 4 wheels is better then 2. But if your hitting the gas to make the rear squat your only braking with 2 wheels plus your pushing with the rear wheels which is even worst then just braking with the fronts alone. If the rear of the car is squatting your over powering the brakes with the throttle. Are you really transferring weight by making it squat or just lowering the CG? I'm not saying to hit the throttle during straight line braking, unless it's to blip the throttle during downshifts, but even then your not over powering the brakes but instead reducing the effect of engine braking. But during your turn in you modulate the gas to control the rear brake bias and engine braking so the car won't slide out. You won't reduce the rear bias to zero but you could. Well, That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. ;) pez wrote:

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> > a car will brake quicker if all 4 tyres are near their limit of > straight line grip, move all braking to the front tyres and > youll lessen the braking forces on the car (4 wheels brake > better than 2). The rear tyres get weighted more when pressing > the accelerator (weight shift between 4 wheels braking to 2 > wheels braking 2 wheels accelerating, weight goes backwards), > same as easing off the brake. > > pez > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!