Does F12000 worth it?

I'm a lover of GPL, never saw and try F12000. should i buy this one ? andre

"Andre Perron" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm a lover of GPL, never saw and try F12000. > should i buy this one ? I would like to see more information about your basic needs in racing simulations to help you. Do you enjoy other modern F1 titles? Are you awaiting GP3? What importance do you accord to graphics, AI, multiplayer, track accuracy, etc..? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

im interested in this thread since i too am wondering about modern F1 sims...... >I would like to see more information about your basic needs in racing >simulations to help you. Do you enjoy other modern F1 titles? dont have any modern F1 titles Are you >awaiting GP3? yes..i here it is a rehashed GP2 though What importance do you accord to graphics, AI, multiplayer, >track accuracy, etc..?graphics....on 10 - 1...7 AI on 10 - 1.....9 MULTI on 10 - 1.......10 track accuracy on 10 - 1...10 so...do you think you can help me also?

Why don't you all use deja.com for this. This subject has been done to death a hundred times over on this NG. Let's not start it up again. Iain Ray127611 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> im interested in this thread since i too am wondering about modern F1 > sims...... > > >I would like to see more information about your basic needs in racing > >simulations to help you. > > Do you enjoy other modern F1 titles? > dont have any modern F1 titles > > Are you > >awaiting GP3? > yes..i here it is a rehashed GP2 though > > What importance do you accord to graphics, AI, multiplayer, > >track accuracy, etc..? > graphics....on 10 - 1...7 > AI on 10 - 1.....9 > MULTI on 10 - 1.......10 > track accuracy on 10 - 1...10 > > so...do you think you can help me also? > > > > >

im interested in this thread since i too am wondering about modern F1 sims...... Do you enjoy other modern F1 titles? dont have any modern F1 titles Are you yes..i here it is a rehashed GP2 though What importance do you accord to graphics, AI, multiplayer, graphics....on 10 - 1...7 AI on 10 - 1.....9 MULTI on 10 - 1.......10 track accuracy on 10 - 1...10 so...do you think you can help me also?

"Andre Perron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B5542D8B.20C0%[email hidden]... > I'm a lover of GPL, never saw and try F12000. > should i buy this one ? > > andre---------------------------------- Note: The following contains OPINIONS, not universal truths, and is based solely on my own experiences with F1-2000 ---------------------------------- I bought F1-2000 in the hopes of getting a good modern era F1 Windows based sim, more as a replacement for GP2 (which won't run on my computer anymore) than as a substitute for GPL (which I also love). At present I don't play F1-2000 much but ,on the other hand, I have no great desire to return it either. If I were grading it schoolboy fashion I'd give it a C with potential to move up. F1-2000 installed easily and ran without major(ie :crashes to desktop) problems apart from some controller issues which have been fixed by the unofficial beta v1.06 patch that is available . Sound and graphics are pretty good. The patch also gives you some extra configuration options that make it a worthwhile download. Frame rate on my machine (Cel 433,128 ram, V3) tends to be on the slow side. I had to shut off a lot of stuff to get what to me are only maginally acceptable framerates (visual impression only since no framerate counter in f1-2000). In this aspect it does remind me of when I first got GPL and tried to run it on a AMD K6 200 computer. If you like high framerate then you'll need a strong computer. I'll be upgrading very soon and I feel that more power will allow me to raise my grade of F1-2000 to a B since I recall how much GPL benefited from a stronger computer. I was surprised how much I enjoyed haveing this years season available to me. I have been running the seasons tracks before the real races and it has greatly increased my enjoyment in watching the real heroes do battle every second Sunday. I cna't comment on the track accuracy since I have never actually seen any of them apart from Montreal in April . As far as the driving model is concerned its hard to compare to GPL since the subject matter differs so much in real life. I have only tried F1-2000 with all aides off. Under those conditions the F1-2000 cars are twitchy, fast accelerating beasts that you must stay on top of since they will spit themselves off the track in the blink of an eye. Certainly they are challengeing to me. At the moment I have not developed my setup skills enough to tell if the twitchyness is due to the nature of the sim (?framerate problem?) or is simply a bad setup for my driving style. I don't feel that F1-2000 gives as rich a feedback experience as GPL does but that may be the nature of a modern racecar. There is no telemetry unlike GP2. At the moment most of my driving in F1-2000 is confined to practise sessions rather than raceing the AI. This is for 2 reasons: 1) the previously mentioned framerate issues (much worse with more cars straining the CPU) and 2) the aggressive reckless nature of the AI. The AI characteristics are one of the most unpleasant aspects of the sim for me. They will ram you from behind any time you let up even when you are letting up to avoid an AI induced accident in front of you. They will attempt to pass in places where no real life driver would attempt to pass. If the AI in F1-200 were real they'd all be permanently banned from racing. Think of an entire field of the Surtees at the Parabolica from GPL. If the AI were brought up to the level of even GP2's ,let alone GPL's, I could give F1-2000 an A grade (assuming I'd already upgraded my CPU). Some here have said that running the AI at 100% helps with the problems but that rather defeats the purpose of having scalable degree of difficulty. Multiplayer seems to work OK the 2 times I've tried it. I'm sure there are leagues out there that are running it but can't think of any right this moment. So in sum: I have a sim that runs OK in Win 98 (+ve),modelling the current season (+ve), with good graphics (+ve) that I must turn down considerably to run OK (-ve), with a challenging driving model (+ve) that has poor feedback (-ve). Hotlapping and practise is fun (+ve); raceing AI is not fun (-ve). Its a keeper but is a hardware upgrade and a rewrite of the AI away from being a real pleasure.

That is an excellent and even-handed review. I agree with it. --DK "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cjPX4.67348$[email hidden]... > [snip] > So in sum: I have a sim that runs OK in Win 98 (+ve),modelling the current > season (+ve), with good graphics (+ve) that I must turn down considerablyto > run OK (-ve), with a challenging driving model (+ve) that has poorfeedback > (-ve). Hotlapping and practise is fun (+ve); raceing AI is not fun (-ve). > Its a keeper but is a hardware upgrade and a rewrite of the AI away from > being a real pleasure. > >

On Sat, 27 May 2000 08:39:24 +0100 Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote: % Why don't you all use deja.com for this. This subject has been done to % death a hundred times over on this NG. Let's not start it up again. % Iain There is a wealth of information on this topic and f12k in general in the vault of r.a.s. (ala http://www.deja.com/usenet/). A power search in r.a.s. only for "f12k" or f12000 gave 3400 hits. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Sat, 27 May 2000 12:36:24 GMT, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >2) the aggressive reckless nature of the AI. The AI characteristics are >one of the most unpleasant aspects of the sim for me. They will ram you >from behind any time you let up even when you are letting up to avoid an AI >induced accident in front of you. They will attempt to pass in places >where no real life driver would attempt to pass. If the AI in F1-200 were >real they'd all be permanently banned from racing. Ah..someone else who sees it as I do. I was lambasted as not being a good F1 driver for pointing this *fact* out in another thread. -- Nos

Isn't that what I was suggesting Michael? Iain Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QqQX4.18533$[email hidden]... > On Sat, 27 May 2000 08:39:24 +0100 Iain Mackenzie<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> % Why don't you all use deja.com for this. This subject has been done to > % death a hundred times over on this NG. Let's not start it up again. > % Iain > > There is a wealth of information on this topic and f12k in general in > the vault of r.a.s. (ala http://www.deja.com/usenet/). A power search > in r.a.s. only for "f12k" or f12000 gave 3400 hits. > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Oh well, I did try to avoid starting yet another debate on this but... never mind. > 2) the aggressive reckless nature of the AI. The AI characteristics are > one of the most unpleasant aspects of the sim for me. They will ram you > from behind any time you let up even when you are letting up to avoid anAI > induced accident in front of you. Most of the AI problems were fixed in the 1.06 patch. Are you running at 100% or higher? If not, try to. Of course they will still ram into you if you slow up because of an incident in front of you! Doesn't matter to drivers behind what the reason is why you are slowing down, you are still an obstacle in their way! In F1 missing a gear or slight slowing down when in close racing with another car almost always causes one or both to go out of the race. There is very little unpredictable driving in reality, and they trust each other with their lifes. > They will attempt to pass in places where no real life driver wouldattempt to pass. Again, if you are running at 100% or above I am surprised to hear that happens. It doesn't happen with me. I don't mean to sound patronising, but is your racing up to speed? Are you creating situations that would make them try to pass in difficult places? I find that when driving competitively, the AI in F12K is now very good, and a major challenge trying to pass or be passed. Iain

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IIRX4.493$%[email hidden]... > Oh well, I did try to avoid starting yet another debate on this but...never > mind. Then why not simply STFU? > > 2) the aggressive reckless nature of the AI. The AI characteristicsare > > one of the most unpleasant aspects of the sim for me. They will ramyou > > from behind any time you let up even when you are letting up to avoid an > AI > > induced accident in front of you. > > Most of the AI problems were fixed in the 1.06 patch. Are you running at > 100% or higher? If not, try to. Of course they will still ram into youif > you slow up because of an incident in front of you! Doesn't matter to > drivers behind what the reason is why you are slowing down, you are stillan > obstacle in their way! In F1 missing a gear or slight slowing down whenin > close racing with another car almost always causes one or both to go outof

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> the race. There is very little unpredictable driving in reality, and they > trust each other with their lifes. > > > They will attempt to pass in places where no real life driver would > attempt to pass. > > Again, if you are running at 100% or above I am surprised to hear that > happens. It doesn't happen with me. I don't mean to sound patronising, but > is your racing up to speed? Are you creating situations that would make > them try to pass in difficult places? I find that when driving > competitively, the AI in F12K is now very good, and a major challenge

trying > to pass or be passed. > > Iain > >Obviously I am not such a racing god as you and I wished to take advantage of the scalable AI that was supposedly included in the sim. I answered the original inquiry with my own observations and impressions of the sim as per his request instead of giving him the brush off like you. If you wish to be a patronizing dolt and jump into something you don't want to jump into then go ahead. I, for one , won't be reading it. David

"Ray127611" <[email hidden]> wrote > > AI on 10 - 1.....9 > MULTI on 10 - 1.......10 > track accuracy on 10 - 1...10 Don't buy F1 2000. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Sat, 27 May 2000 16:11:05 +0100 Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote: % Isn't that what I was suggesting Michael? % Iain Yes, I was only supporting you by pointing out the "wealth" of information you were pointing them to. My we are so argumentative and touchy when ever the subject of f12k comes up <G> Even when a message supports your comments... % Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message % news:QqQX4.18533$[email hidden]... % > On Sat, 27 May 2000 08:39:24 +0100 Iain Mackenzie % <[email hidden]> wrote: % > % Why don't you all use deja.com for this. This subject has been done to % > % death a hundred times over on this NG. Let's not start it up again. % > % Iain % > % > There is a wealth of information on this topic and f12k in general in % > the vault of r.a.s. (ala http://www.deja.com/usenet/). A power search % > in r.a.s. only for "f12k" or f12000 gave 3400 hits. % > -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Oh I love it! > Then why not simply STFU? >Because my opinion is as valid as yours, and misrepresentation of a situation gives a biased view. > Obviously I am not such a racing god as you....Your opinion not mine - don't know where you get it from! > If you wish to be a patronizing dolt ....I think if you actually read my post, that I very specifically said that I didn't want to sound patronising. I was merely asking if maybe it was your skill level that needed some work as that may be the reason why you were being rammed etc. No offence intended I can assure you. I also was asking if you are running with AI greater than 100% as that affects the intelligence of the AI. So, if you were running at less, then that could be another explanation of why you were having the problem. Again, I was merely trying to be helpful - no offence intended. But, of course you won't be reading this - oh well. Iain